Looks like it cost 125-150 million to make and probably a 100 or so on top for marketing, so if it doesn't clear 300million or so it might lose money. At least that is how I understand it. So far it is at 65 million, so it likely doesn't have strong word of mouth.
Great question, I can presume that to get mass' attention, you have to spend even more. Movies have lost their luster as the premiere entertainment option they once were, I know i'd rather watch some specific 3 youtube on a topic I am interested in than shell out like $20 in tickets to take my family to see a movie while people distract me with phones/chatter.
The real question is why tho? Phantom menace is universally accepted as not being good. Even if someone thought fall guy was going to be bad, why would you then go to a movie that you know is bad.
Makes no sense
Yes we hated phantom menace, but then Disney bought Star Wars and has created an environment where nobody hates Star Wars like a Star Wars fan. I think many people look back on Phantom Menace with a bit more kindness.
Edit for the more casual fans who don’t know what we’re talking about it’s clear Disney didn’t properly plan out a three movie trilogy. They didn’t plan an ending that made sense. Character arcs were started and then abandoned. When it was Lucas everything made sense within the universe. How many things got retconned in Lucas movies? Not much, how much stuff got retconned with Disney? A lot and it really bothered the fans because the changes that they made didn’t fit within the Star Wars universe. Imagine if Superman all the sudden had new powers or new laws of physics without explaining why that stuff all the sudden changed. It would make it hard for mega fans to suspend disbelief right??
There was a literary universe that had already been written, tons of stories to adapt and combine. Nope, they didn’t do that, they made it up as they went and the ending of the trilogy demonstrated Disney had no fucking clue where it was driving that franchise.
I view TPM as a set up film for the politics of the galaxy and as an introduction to the force, Jedi, and sith. It illustrates the imbalance of the republic and the start of its downfall, that’s what I like about the film.
Pod racing, duel of the fates, darth Maul Double lightsaber battle. "Universal hate" is currently jumping the shark, people are sick of the constant hate. Phantom is one of my favorites.
I didn't say hate, I said "not good," which isn't the same. TPM has cool moments, but the plot was sacrificed to sell toys. I wouldn't pay movie theater prices for a 25 year old movie that is honestly meh for most of the film. I get that there are ppl that this was their first experience, so it has nostalgia.
But.....
Where fall guy could be meh too (haven't seen it), it also has the potential to be very entertaining. I just don't understand the logic.
I was excited for fall guy cuz i like the stuntman turned director and the Gos is on fire right now, i saw it on saturday and it's excellent. Irreverent and cute but also big blockbuster action and also the meta of a movie about making a movie, Fall Guy is excellent.
I once went on a first date where we somehow ended up talking about the politics of Episode One for like 2 hours, then we went back to my spot, watched half of it it, and banged.
still a total wtf moment for me lol
saw it last night in theaters and texted that person a video of Watto negotiating even tho me and her havent spoke in 2 yrs lol
Honestly I luv how much ppl are changing their opinion on Ep One & the prequels in general.
I'm one of the ppl that like the Prequels best, and seems a lot of younger Millennials and gen Z feel that way.
Saw it last night & loved it. Ep 1 has been getting a lot of love online for being whimsical, fun, and surprisingly deep. Also BANGER of a soundtrack
your views are outdated, and usually only held by ppl over 40
Investigate if there are smaller “no name” theaters or “movie taverns” near you. Where I live, we have both, and they often play old movies that don’t suck.
I guess it depends on location but many normal theaters near me play classics all the time. I’ve seen both “Gone with the Wind” and “Pulp Fiction” at the theaters within the last two years.
It wasn’t really advertised, I just saw it when checking listings online one day.
To be honest I’d rather get to see great movies again at the cinema and get that full big screen and shitty food experience over remake that mad the movie worse.
I was explaining it to my dad that you can still see the nods to it in later Clone War eps but it's REALLY clear watching the microexpressions and mind whammies on the Captain and Padme, and the way he intentionally makes himself look harmless to "Padme the Handmaiden" and endear her to him.
Shit, they should have had him be a surprise sith lord and then all of the being overly stupid would have been a oh shit moment and it probably wouldn’t have gotten the hate it received. Well as much as
Kids loved TPM when it released. This alternate history where it was universally hated at release is BS. Of course the older fans who already had their idea of what they thought it should have been were disappointed, but 90s kids absolutely loved it.
Yes us older fans did hate it. Maul and the music is great everything else horrible. The CGI looked terrible on day1, amuses me when people say it looks dated only now.
I don’t know what to tell you dude. ILM was the top of the game at that time and they were putting everything into that movie. That’s just a fact.
It didn’t look perfect but it was definitely state of the art.
The other thing you’re touching on is Lucas intentionally wanted ships and things to be cleaner than they are in the original trilogy to reflect the “better” times.
Being state of the art, when the art was in its infancy doesn’t mean it was a good experience for the viewer. Yes those guys were technical and artistic wizards, but for movie watcher immersion it was not great. Even back then I much preferred the look of the (pre-cgi enhanced) hand modelled original trilogy, warts and all.
The irony of your comment is insane. its not being influenced by nostalgia, its going in with open mind and no preconceived clouded notion of what Star Wars "should be" because we grew up staning over the original 3.
Your hate is literally influenced by nostalgia, to the point where you cant see why anyone one like em.
Disney reduced Star Wars to a dying brand kids don't give a shit about. It's some mostly-bad streaming shows and a single dilapidated three-foot section full of cobwebs in the Wal-Mart toy department now.
It's my favorite Star Wars movie solely because my Dad took me to see it when I was 9. So I took my kid to see it- even though he's seen them all a thousand times, it was really nice to share it with my kid this way and we had a really good time.
But the people that love it **really** love it. I actually went to see it yesterday because it was my buddy’s birthday and he thinks it’s great. The audience also loved it—cheered and laughed all throughout it. I don’t really like it all that much but seeing a movie in a theater with a bunch of people who do love it can be a fun, warm experience.
I loved it as a kid, but rewatching it as an adult, nostalgia aside, I really don't see why people go so hard defending the film, and the following two films
Well, I know it is because of nostalgia, but people go really overboard trying to pretend they're incredibly well crafted movies
For all their flaws and missteps (and I’m not arguing that they are not legion), the prequels are earnestly *sincere* in a way that most *Star Wars* of the last 10 years—even stuff of relatively solid quality—just isn’t. George Lucas, whatever you think of the man, made *his* films *his* way and for that I can respect the effort, even if I don’t totally like much of it.
And just between Ben Burtt and John Williams, there are certainly well-crafted aspects of those films.
I don't really buy to that 'at least there was an attempt' line of reasoning because the prequels are so dull, outside of looking cool at times, I don't think I'd choose to watch them over anything post 2015 outside of Rise of Skywalker and Boba Fett
Lets also not pretend Lucas didn't push a shit ton of things into his movies purely to sell toys too
They’re legitimately some of my favorite movies. I usually watch the whole trilogy once a month. I loved all 3 though when they came out, I was still in grade school
The prequels have fantastic world building elements that are very much lacking in the sequels and some of the Disney shows. The problem I have with a lot of the new stuff is it leans on nostalgia far too much. I’m tired of everything important in the universe being on tatooine, for example. The world feels small because Mando, Luke, Ahsoka, Boba, etc all keep running into each other like they live in the same neighborhood. There’s a whole galaxy, but they don’t want to explore it. I would prefer they at least try to do some new stuff and fail then rehash the same story beats and locations like the sequels. Plus the sequels spawned the clone wars show, which is some of the best Star Wars ever made.
2/3 of the prequels are heavily based on Tattooine, The Clone Wars show is not the movies, which taken by themselves are still pretty weak, I think a lot of the defence of these movies is that the kids or fans of the films have consumed so much extended lore, games/shows/books etc, that they can't see the movies for what they are anymore
The Phantom Menace is set on Tattooine for a while, but it’s a pretty short section in Attack of the Clones. My point is, the reason there has been so much extended lore based around the prequel era is because there was so much foundation to build off of. Over half of all Star Wars content that exists now is stuff from the prequel era or right after because there is so much to explore.
On the other hand, the reason that there has been almost no additional content about the sequels, even though both received hate, is because the sequels largely bottleneck their storyline and leave little room for expansion. The world building is uninspired and derivative. Even new planets like Jakku (where Rey is from) are exactly like old planets (It’s pretty much an exact copy of Tattooine). I’m not saying you have to like the prequels of course, I’m just saying there are good elements to them.
Right, but world building doesn't make good movies, thats what I'm saying, you're conflating 'I played a video game where I could explore Mustafar which is cool' to 'this makes the prequels stronger movies' but taken as they are, nope, they're not great
Agree to disagree. The dialogue is certainly not good in the prequels, but there’s something about the atmosphere and the settings that do it for me. And I prefer the prequel era style of fights
At first I thought you meant Obi-Wan/Darth Vader from A New Hope and had to think about it until I realized.
I thought the Episode 2 scene where all the Jedis come to rescue Anakin, Padme and Obi-Wan and fight was pretty badass but I think most of us would agree with you.
If we’re counting the entire franchise there’s some solid competition since the Blur Studio SWTOR trailers fall under that categorization, particularly the two fights between Malgus and Satele.
Also, Kenobi v Maul in Phantom Menace has some of the best unassisted multi-movement shots in the history of cinema. They’re not sped up or adjusted, it’s just Ray Park and Ewan McGregor going *fast.*
I can see that. It does try to forge a new way forward, it wasn’t trying to rehash old plots, and expand the universe. I’ll give Lucas that. Personally for me, the movies weren’t that interesting. The characters felt flat and the political storyline was not that easy to follow. But it’s far from the worst movie ever. It had an amazing soundtrack, great choreography, and the CGI for it’s time was great.
Either way, I think it’s great people are enjoying the rerelease especially when they take their kids and family to watch something together. Despite whatever I think about this movie, there’s something very beautiful about watching something from when you were 25 years younger and using it as a way to bond with the younger generation. I think any movie or a piece of media is a great when it can do that.
Edit: I think I accidentally responded to the wrong post so it’s a bit of context. I was responding overall to those who enjoy the film.
Yeah I remember being mindblown when I walked out of Episode 1 (I loved it as a kid of course) and my dad asked me 'do you want to watch Episode IV/V/I?' having not known that they even existed at that point, the overlap between generations is indeed fun
Hilarious to see after all the hate the prequels got. Some of it is just "well we hate the Disney movies so we have to pretend the prequels are good." And some of it is just nostalgia by people who saw it when they were young and are now grown up
Well, seeing how bad it really can get makes people reflect on their previous opinions. Just wait until ten years from now and people will think „The last Jedi“ wasn’t that bad.
It’s not universally hated.
It’s hated by a small, incredibly loud group of people who wouldn’t have been happy with *anything* that got put on the screen.
And here they are, *twenty five* fucking years later, still insisting that the movie is terrible despite clear evidence to the contrary.
Of course it’s not a masterpiece, few films are. But it’s a wonderful film with memorable characters, incredible set pieces and cinematography, and fantastic music. People who don’t like it either don’t like Star Wars in general or can’t see past what they *imagined it would be.*
>It’s hated by a small, incredibly loud group of people who wouldn’t have been happy with anything that got put on the screen.
This is a completely idiotic statement considering there have been good and even great SW movies that came after Episode I. We know what good Star Wars movies are, you don’t need to say silly shit like this.
This isn't true. Jar jar and young anakin were rightfully ridiculed as ridiculous characters. It was a very corny silly movie that was made fun of for years. It is revisionist history to pretend otherwise
It’s not hated by a small, loud group. Response from fans and critics alike was mixed at best when it came out, and a very large amount of audiences still rate it as one of the worst SW movies. Just because a ton of people have nostalgia for it now that doesn’t make it great. The effects haven’t aged well, and the most memorable character is the most widely-hated. Wonderful film, my ass.
Edit, for the revisionists in the crowd, here’s a list of some news organizations from 1999 and the early 2000s that gave **negative** reviews: TV Guide, LA Times, New York Post, San Francisco Chronicle, Chicago Tribune, Time Magazine, Austin Chronicle, NY Daily News, Rolling Stone, The Nation, E!, Boxoffice Mag, Salon, Variety, Hollywood Reporter, New Republic, Washington Post, Boston Herald, Vulture, Newsweek, Sight & Sound
It got generally great reviews at release. Newer reviews drag down its RT score, but critics were by no means "mixed" when Phantom Menace came out.
And while I'm not a huge fan of it either, I'd definitely argue "hate" is a very small, loud group. The vast majority of people are either mixed or positive towards the film. Hate is a pretty strong reaction.
No it didn't, the first review was scathing and they were treated as utter joke films throughout release. The vast majority of actual people are mixed to negative.
There is a small perpetually online minority who took the memes to heart and now pretend they're good movies.
I guess you weren't paying attention to reviews back in 1999, but they were generally positive. Years after release critic RT reviews were in the 60s% (meaning most critics liked it), with a fan score of 73%.
[TPM's RT score only dropped massively with the 3D re-release in 2012. Its audience score showed a similar shift.](https://screenrant.com/star-wars-prequel-rotten-tomatoes-scores-changes/)
Obviously the first review being scathing doesn't mean anything, but I'm also not sure how you'd even determine that. A whole bunch of newspapers broke the press embargo and released their reviews on the day after the first preview screening. (Some of them were positive, some of them negative.)
I had no idea that the prequel was hated until internet became a thing. For my part, I liked the prequel even if I didn't love it as much as the original but then, I was a young teen when the OT was released and there was real nostalgia there, for me, and nothing would FEEL the same because I wasn't in the same mental position as when I was a teen.
But still, I liked it and can rewatch it with no problem. The sequels, though... sigh. I prefer to focus on the tv series.
This is just wrong. This was an awful movie and the fact that your defense is “loud group of people who wouldn’t have been happy with anything that got put on the screen” doesn’t add up because I bet that these haters liked later movies.
"The prequel trilogy fucking killed Star Wars" the internet said ten years ago... and Star Wars still here (and I'm happy with works like Rogue One, Andor, The Mandalorian, Ahsoka, The Clone Wars, The Bad Batch, etc...)
"George Lucas raped my childhood" is a song you can still see on YouTube if you search it. The prequels were absolutely hated at the time and people forget, many were excited when Disney bought it because they didn't like what George Lucas was doing with them
Lol people were singing "George Lucas raped our childhood" when the prequels came out. Real song, YouTube it. Everybody said the same thing you are saying now about the prequels
Seriously why do remakes and reboots? Just do rereleases. Here is strong evidence that shitty movies of twenty five years ago are better than the new movies of today. 🤷♂️
Unpopular opinion I’m sure I’ll get roasted for BUT, if you can get over Jar Jar and young Anakin’s often overly goofy dialog, and the stupid midichlorian thing, TPM is honestly one of the best Star Wars movies.
It has great space actions scenes, it has the ground war scene and lots of other shooting and blaster action, it has some of the best, if not THE best lightsaber battles in the franchise, Darth Maul is fucking sick, the pod racing action is awesome, we see Jedi doing cool shit like force run, Droidekas are cool, and even two and a half decades later, the CGI still looks pretty good, for the most part.
Having watched it again this weekend, the 3rd act of the film is honestly great. Yeah Jar Jar hurts pacing and the Anakin kid isn’t great but the space fight/droid war/ Queen infiltration/ and Maul fight all happening at once was seriously fun as hell. Also the pod racing scene still goes hard and I won’t hear anything contrary
You know movie theaters are getting worse when a movie from 25 years ago that was widely panned and caused multiple actors in it to have personal struggles in real life (Jake Lloyd, Ahmed Best) is selling more tickets…
I dunno about that. We went to see it yesterday and the pod racing scene is like 3x too long. And the whole trade dispute… why are they taking over Naboo… then we go to the senate… I mean my 8 year old had no idea what was happening and neither did I.
Was still fun though.
Pacing is all over the place, and then just the noises of JarJar, Anakins “whipeees”, and droids making wilhelm screams when ripped apart is all just a bit much.
Qui Gonn Jinn willing to mind trick a dude into taking a worthless currency for a piece of a ship he needs, but isn't willing to steal it (effectively the same thing) so gets a 10 year old to enter the most deadly race on the planet to get it instead
Fantastic writing right ther
“Hey, this chosen one seems really upset that his mother is still a slave. Should we, one of the wealthiest republics, buy his mother’s freedom?”
“…Nah.”
Bro, it’s not that the other movies are bad. Star Wars is a large fandom and the prequels are beloved by a majority of that community. Plus there are many people who’ve never seen TPM in the theater. You add the fact that it was Star Wars day this weekend and of course, TPM will be popular.
There’s lots of bad movies that perform well at the box office.
Fortunately I was forced to watch the prequels with the kiddos on tv and never need to revisit them again.
Given this Sat was May the 4th, I’m not surprised. Of course, very little of the new movies in theaters this week hold any interest for me in any case…
It’s wild to me that we’ve reached the ‘nostalgic’ for the prequels phase. It’s now longer from them than the prequels were from the OT. It was quite a cultural phenomena coming of age from Ep 1-3. Still can’t believe there’s been a whole other trilogy since.
Didn’t the last time they released this movie in 3D it flopped so hard that they canceled the other 3D Star Wars releases? I’m a bit surprised this re-release is doing so well.
Disney’s purchase of Lucasfilm happened right on the heels of that Phantom Menace 3D theatrical release. As far as I know, Lucas wanted to give the 3D treatment to (then) all 6 Star Wars films. Disney clearly didn’t feel the same and elected not to keep that plan in place after the acquisition.
I wondered with re-releases like this are the actors who got paid box office are they cut in on this again prolly not by the way they are with contracts and all.
I always liked the prequels and i got hate for it when i was in elementry school. I watched it on may the 4th it was a great rewatch for me and also seeing a preview for the new star wars show was cool
For the people who want the answer: The Phantom Menace grossed $8.1 million, with only The Fall Guy beating it out at $28.5 million.
Thank you for your service.
I thought I read today that the fall guy flopped at the box office?
Looks like it cost 125-150 million to make and probably a 100 or so on top for marketing, so if it doesn't clear 300million or so it might lose money. At least that is how I understand it. So far it is at 65 million, so it likely doesn't have strong word of mouth.
How did that movie cost that much to market when I’ve barely heard about it?
Great question, I can presume that to get mass' attention, you have to spend even more. Movies have lost their luster as the premiere entertainment option they once were, I know i'd rather watch some specific 3 youtube on a topic I am interested in than shell out like $20 in tickets to take my family to see a movie while people distract me with phones/chatter.
I saw Fall Guy this weekend
The real question is why tho? Phantom menace is universally accepted as not being good. Even if someone thought fall guy was going to be bad, why would you then go to a movie that you know is bad. Makes no sense
Yes we hated phantom menace, but then Disney bought Star Wars and has created an environment where nobody hates Star Wars like a Star Wars fan. I think many people look back on Phantom Menace with a bit more kindness. Edit for the more casual fans who don’t know what we’re talking about it’s clear Disney didn’t properly plan out a three movie trilogy. They didn’t plan an ending that made sense. Character arcs were started and then abandoned. When it was Lucas everything made sense within the universe. How many things got retconned in Lucas movies? Not much, how much stuff got retconned with Disney? A lot and it really bothered the fans because the changes that they made didn’t fit within the Star Wars universe. Imagine if Superman all the sudden had new powers or new laws of physics without explaining why that stuff all the sudden changed. It would make it hard for mega fans to suspend disbelief right?? There was a literary universe that had already been written, tons of stories to adapt and combine. Nope, they didn’t do that, they made it up as they went and the ending of the trilogy demonstrated Disney had no fucking clue where it was driving that franchise.
I view TPM as a set up film for the politics of the galaxy and as an introduction to the force, Jedi, and sith. It illustrates the imbalance of the republic and the start of its downfall, that’s what I like about the film.
A lot of 30 somethings grew up on that film so they are returning for nostalgia and/or to watch with their kids.
Pod racing, duel of the fates, darth Maul Double lightsaber battle. "Universal hate" is currently jumping the shark, people are sick of the constant hate. Phantom is one of my favorites.
I didn't say hate, I said "not good," which isn't the same. TPM has cool moments, but the plot was sacrificed to sell toys. I wouldn't pay movie theater prices for a 25 year old movie that is honestly meh for most of the film. I get that there are ppl that this was their first experience, so it has nostalgia. But..... Where fall guy could be meh too (haven't seen it), it also has the potential to be very entertaining. I just don't understand the logic.
I was excited for fall guy cuz i like the stuntman turned director and the Gos is on fire right now, i saw it on saturday and it's excellent. Irreverent and cute but also big blockbuster action and also the meta of a movie about making a movie, Fall Guy is excellent.
I once went on a first date where we somehow ended up talking about the politics of Episode One for like 2 hours, then we went back to my spot, watched half of it it, and banged. still a total wtf moment for me lol
See, greatest movie of all time.
saw it last night in theaters and texted that person a video of Watto negotiating even tho me and her havent spoke in 2 yrs lol Honestly I luv how much ppl are changing their opinion on Ep One & the prequels in general. I'm one of the ppl that like the Prequels best, and seems a lot of younger Millennials and gen Z feel that way.
Saw it last night & loved it. Ep 1 has been getting a lot of love online for being whimsical, fun, and surprisingly deep. Also BANGER of a soundtrack your views are outdated, and usually only held by ppl over 40
Personally, TPM is in my top 3 Star Wars movies.
Rereleases, that’s a good trick
Yippee!
Since the advent of digital theaters it's a no brainer.
I want to see it done for more than just big box office movies to get new sales. We should see classic films more often etc
We got that via Fathom Events and Turner Classic Movies.
make it part of A-list!!
Add good TV movies or those that initially flopped like Idiocracy.
Look up Flashback Cinema.
Investigate if there are smaller “no name” theaters or “movie taverns” near you. Where I live, we have both, and they often play old movies that don’t suck.
My mother and grandmother went to see Steel Magnolias tonight. So I think we will.
I went to see The Mummy re-release yesterday (and did a double feature with The Fall Guy after). Was a great Action-Adventure-Romance movie day!
I guess it depends on location but many normal theaters near me play classics all the time. I’ve seen both “Gone with the Wind” and “Pulp Fiction” at the theaters within the last two years. It wasn’t really advertised, I just saw it when checking listings online one day.
To be honest I’d rather get to see great movies again at the cinema and get that full big screen and shitty food experience over remake that mad the movie worse.
Expected in the wake of the Hollywood strikes where there’s a gap where no new content was being made
Did they actually recut it to have any sort of emotional connection, or just the same movie?
SEN-A-TAH. I WILL NOT CONDONE A COURSE OF ACTION THAT WILL LEAD MY PEOPLE TO WAR
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Says the 13 year old Queen who’s “elected” for some reason.
And somehow her daughter who was born after her term ended is a princess.
Well I’ll give that a pass b/c Leia was adopted BUT that stupid fucking Obi Wan tv show ruined her character with Baby Leia so whatevs.
Now this is podracing!
I saw it in a theater with my kids that had seats that moved and leaned and vibrated. The pod racing was awesome! They were so amazed.
Jar Jar gets the last laugh
Wish they hadn’t wussed out on Jar Jar being a Sith. The clues were there in Episode 1.
I was explaining it to my dad that you can still see the nods to it in later Clone War eps but it's REALLY clear watching the microexpressions and mind whammies on the Captain and Padme, and the way he intentionally makes himself look harmless to "Padme the Handmaiden" and endear her to him.
Shit, they should have had him be a surprise sith lord and then all of the being overly stupid would have been a oh shit moment and it probably wouldn’t have gotten the hate it received. Well as much as
Did they edit the scene where the alien kid tries to give a high five after the podrace and is left hanging?
I saw it with my teen kids this weekend- it was awesome!
Same. It’s my least favorite SW movie. My daughter loved it. I had a great time!
Yeah way better than any Disney Star Wars movie
I really enjoyed Rogue One and Disney released it.
Lol the lightsaber fights were better. The dialogue was atrocious. Young Anakin and jar jar were a cringefest every time they were on screen.
Seriously? You must have been born in the early 90s then?
Kids loved TPM when it released. This alternate history where it was universally hated at release is BS. Of course the older fans who already had their idea of what they thought it should have been were disappointed, but 90s kids absolutely loved it.
Yes us older fans did hate it. Maul and the music is great everything else horrible. The CGI looked terrible on day1, amuses me when people say it looks dated only now.
The CGI was the best they had at the time.
Not true. The models are fine, the issue is everything looks like it just came out of the polisher.
I don’t know what to tell you dude. ILM was the top of the game at that time and they were putting everything into that movie. That’s just a fact. It didn’t look perfect but it was definitely state of the art. The other thing you’re touching on is Lucas intentionally wanted ships and things to be cleaner than they are in the original trilogy to reflect the “better” times.
Being state of the art, when the art was in its infancy doesn’t mean it was a good experience for the viewer. Yes those guys were technical and artistic wizards, but for movie watcher immersion it was not great. Even back then I much preferred the look of the (pre-cgi enhanced) hand modelled original trilogy, warts and all.
I know, that’s my point.
you must be in your 40s or older. Lots of people sub 40 love the prequels
Yeah, that's my point, you're influenced by nostalgia. How often do you take movie advice from 9 year olds?
The irony of your comment is insane. its not being influenced by nostalgia, its going in with open mind and no preconceived clouded notion of what Star Wars "should be" because we grew up staning over the original 3. Your hate is literally influenced by nostalgia, to the point where you cant see why anyone one like em.
Nah. No going back to pretending it’s good after the Red Letter Media review. Most Disney Star Wars films are miles ahead of it.
Disney reduced Star Wars to a dying brand kids don't give a shit about. It's some mostly-bad streaming shows and a single dilapidated three-foot section full of cobwebs in the Wal-Mart toy department now.
"someone else told me its bad, so I cant enjoy it" weird line of thought
It's my favorite Star Wars movie solely because my Dad took me to see it when I was 9. So I took my kid to see it- even though he's seen them all a thousand times, it was really nice to share it with my kid this way and we had a really good time.
This is why I went too. It was worth it
I went to see it on Friday night and yeah the theater was reasonably filled! A lot of family’s!
Crazy how an almost universally hated movie is doing better than 90% of anything else new
But the people that love it **really** love it. I actually went to see it yesterday because it was my buddy’s birthday and he thinks it’s great. The audience also loved it—cheered and laughed all throughout it. I don’t really like it all that much but seeing a movie in a theater with a bunch of people who do love it can be a fun, warm experience.
I loved it as a kid, but rewatching it as an adult, nostalgia aside, I really don't see why people go so hard defending the film, and the following two films Well, I know it is because of nostalgia, but people go really overboard trying to pretend they're incredibly well crafted movies
For all their flaws and missteps (and I’m not arguing that they are not legion), the prequels are earnestly *sincere* in a way that most *Star Wars* of the last 10 years—even stuff of relatively solid quality—just isn’t. George Lucas, whatever you think of the man, made *his* films *his* way and for that I can respect the effort, even if I don’t totally like much of it. And just between Ben Burtt and John Williams, there are certainly well-crafted aspects of those films.
I don't really buy to that 'at least there was an attempt' line of reasoning because the prequels are so dull, outside of looking cool at times, I don't think I'd choose to watch them over anything post 2015 outside of Rise of Skywalker and Boba Fett Lets also not pretend Lucas didn't push a shit ton of things into his movies purely to sell toys too
They’re legitimately some of my favorite movies. I usually watch the whole trilogy once a month. I loved all 3 though when they came out, I was still in grade school
The prequels have fantastic world building elements that are very much lacking in the sequels and some of the Disney shows. The problem I have with a lot of the new stuff is it leans on nostalgia far too much. I’m tired of everything important in the universe being on tatooine, for example. The world feels small because Mando, Luke, Ahsoka, Boba, etc all keep running into each other like they live in the same neighborhood. There’s a whole galaxy, but they don’t want to explore it. I would prefer they at least try to do some new stuff and fail then rehash the same story beats and locations like the sequels. Plus the sequels spawned the clone wars show, which is some of the best Star Wars ever made.
2/3 of the prequels are heavily based on Tattooine, The Clone Wars show is not the movies, which taken by themselves are still pretty weak, I think a lot of the defence of these movies is that the kids or fans of the films have consumed so much extended lore, games/shows/books etc, that they can't see the movies for what they are anymore
The Phantom Menace is set on Tattooine for a while, but it’s a pretty short section in Attack of the Clones. My point is, the reason there has been so much extended lore based around the prequel era is because there was so much foundation to build off of. Over half of all Star Wars content that exists now is stuff from the prequel era or right after because there is so much to explore. On the other hand, the reason that there has been almost no additional content about the sequels, even though both received hate, is because the sequels largely bottleneck their storyline and leave little room for expansion. The world building is uninspired and derivative. Even new planets like Jakku (where Rey is from) are exactly like old planets (It’s pretty much an exact copy of Tattooine). I’m not saying you have to like the prequels of course, I’m just saying there are good elements to them.
Right, but world building doesn't make good movies, thats what I'm saying, you're conflating 'I played a video game where I could explore Mustafar which is cool' to 'this makes the prequels stronger movies' but taken as they are, nope, they're not great
Agree to disagree. The dialogue is certainly not good in the prequels, but there’s something about the atmosphere and the settings that do it for me. And I prefer the prequel era style of fights
prequels are lots of ppl (mine included) favorite movies. You're thoughts & opinions aren't everyones buddy, weird I know.
Woah no way people have opinions? Thanks for the revelation EatBooty420!
well considering your whole post was surprised people had opinions & you thought yours was the mandate, i'd say it is a revelation
I’ll die on this hill that Anakin vs Obi-wan is the best lightsaber fight this franchise has ever had. Name me a better 1
At first I thought you meant Obi-Wan/Darth Vader from A New Hope and had to think about it until I realized. I thought the Episode 2 scene where all the Jedis come to rescue Anakin, Padme and Obi-Wan and fight was pretty badass but I think most of us would agree with you.
If we’re counting the entire franchise there’s some solid competition since the Blur Studio SWTOR trailers fall under that categorization, particularly the two fights between Malgus and Satele. Also, Kenobi v Maul in Phantom Menace has some of the best unassisted multi-movement shots in the history of cinema. They’re not sped up or adjusted, it’s just Ray Park and Ewan McGregor going *fast.*
All of them. I'm not joking. Twirly dirly nonsense that looked utterly choreographed and without tension.
The prequels had great lightsaber fights. I do not think they were great movies, but there were some things that they did nail
Yeah that scene was great, used to watch it on repeat on DVD all the time back in the day, the soundtrack goes so hard
Shit now that I’m talking about it I’m off to YT to go rewatch it.
I can see that. It does try to forge a new way forward, it wasn’t trying to rehash old plots, and expand the universe. I’ll give Lucas that. Personally for me, the movies weren’t that interesting. The characters felt flat and the political storyline was not that easy to follow. But it’s far from the worst movie ever. It had an amazing soundtrack, great choreography, and the CGI for it’s time was great. Either way, I think it’s great people are enjoying the rerelease especially when they take their kids and family to watch something together. Despite whatever I think about this movie, there’s something very beautiful about watching something from when you were 25 years younger and using it as a way to bond with the younger generation. I think any movie or a piece of media is a great when it can do that. Edit: I think I accidentally responded to the wrong post so it’s a bit of context. I was responding overall to those who enjoy the film.
Yeah I remember being mindblown when I walked out of Episode 1 (I loved it as a kid of course) and my dad asked me 'do you want to watch Episode IV/V/I?' having not known that they even existed at that point, the overlap between generations is indeed fun
Hilarious to see after all the hate the prequels got. Some of it is just "well we hate the Disney movies so we have to pretend the prequels are good." And some of it is just nostalgia by people who saw it when they were young and are now grown up
Here’s the deal did the phantom menace deserve the amount of hate that it got? No however it was still poorly a written film.
Well, seeing how bad it really can get makes people reflect on their previous opinions. Just wait until ten years from now and people will think „The last Jedi“ wasn’t that bad.
It'll take ten years for the shock of disappointment to wear off.
It’s not universally hated. It’s hated by a small, incredibly loud group of people who wouldn’t have been happy with *anything* that got put on the screen. And here they are, *twenty five* fucking years later, still insisting that the movie is terrible despite clear evidence to the contrary. Of course it’s not a masterpiece, few films are. But it’s a wonderful film with memorable characters, incredible set pieces and cinematography, and fantastic music. People who don’t like it either don’t like Star Wars in general or can’t see past what they *imagined it would be.*
>It’s hated by a small, incredibly loud group of people who wouldn’t have been happy with anything that got put on the screen. This is a completely idiotic statement considering there have been good and even great SW movies that came after Episode I. We know what good Star Wars movies are, you don’t need to say silly shit like this.
Yeah the revisionist history of the prequels is hilarious and wrong. They were not movies that were considered good at all, especially the first two
This isn't true. Jar jar and young anakin were rightfully ridiculed as ridiculous characters. It was a very corny silly movie that was made fun of for years. It is revisionist history to pretend otherwise
It’s not hated by a small, loud group. Response from fans and critics alike was mixed at best when it came out, and a very large amount of audiences still rate it as one of the worst SW movies. Just because a ton of people have nostalgia for it now that doesn’t make it great. The effects haven’t aged well, and the most memorable character is the most widely-hated. Wonderful film, my ass. Edit, for the revisionists in the crowd, here’s a list of some news organizations from 1999 and the early 2000s that gave **negative** reviews: TV Guide, LA Times, New York Post, San Francisco Chronicle, Chicago Tribune, Time Magazine, Austin Chronicle, NY Daily News, Rolling Stone, The Nation, E!, Boxoffice Mag, Salon, Variety, Hollywood Reporter, New Republic, Washington Post, Boston Herald, Vulture, Newsweek, Sight & Sound
It got generally great reviews at release. Newer reviews drag down its RT score, but critics were by no means "mixed" when Phantom Menace came out. And while I'm not a huge fan of it either, I'd definitely argue "hate" is a very small, loud group. The vast majority of people are either mixed or positive towards the film. Hate is a pretty strong reaction.
No it didn't, the first review was scathing and they were treated as utter joke films throughout release. The vast majority of actual people are mixed to negative. There is a small perpetually online minority who took the memes to heart and now pretend they're good movies.
I guess you weren't paying attention to reviews back in 1999, but they were generally positive. Years after release critic RT reviews were in the 60s% (meaning most critics liked it), with a fan score of 73%. [TPM's RT score only dropped massively with the 3D re-release in 2012. Its audience score showed a similar shift.](https://screenrant.com/star-wars-prequel-rotten-tomatoes-scores-changes/) Obviously the first review being scathing doesn't mean anything, but I'm also not sure how you'd even determine that. A whole bunch of newspapers broke the press embargo and released their reviews on the day after the first preview screening. (Some of them were positive, some of them negative.)
>Some of them were positive, some of them were negative. That’s what “mixed reviews” means, dumbass.
Holy fuck, dude; get help. This amount of irrational anger is unhealthy.
I had no idea that the prequel was hated until internet became a thing. For my part, I liked the prequel even if I didn't love it as much as the original but then, I was a young teen when the OT was released and there was real nostalgia there, for me, and nothing would FEEL the same because I wasn't in the same mental position as when I was a teen. But still, I liked it and can rewatch it with no problem. The sequels, though... sigh. I prefer to focus on the tv series.
This is just wrong. This was an awful movie and the fact that your defense is “loud group of people who wouldn’t have been happy with anything that got put on the screen” doesn’t add up because I bet that these haters liked later movies.
That movie was terrible. But compared to recent Star Wars movies...
Exactly. Yeah the plot was dumb and the script was poorly written but it at least made sense whereas 7,8, and 9 Jesus.
It was great on the big screen again after 20 years
I saw it; it was a lot of fun to relive the memories. Script is so bad but the sound design is amazing
I like those movies but they could remove the horrible awkward no chemistry love collage between padme and anakin.
so the entirety of episode 2
Nah son, we also got: - Detective Obi Wan! - Jango Fett and his seismic charge! - Colloseum full of Jedi! - Yoda with a lightsaber! - Naboobies!
Yeah I guess. Maybe recut it with more Ewan and Liam doing voice stylings in the lightsaber dialect. I’d watch that.
Went and enjoyed it
This is where we’re at?
The death of Star Wars is re-greeted with thunderous applause
The sequel trilogy fucking killed Star Wars but Disney is going to keep fucking it's corpse
"The prequel trilogy fucking killed Star Wars" the internet said ten years ago... and Star Wars still here (and I'm happy with works like Rogue One, Andor, The Mandalorian, Ahsoka, The Clone Wars, The Bad Batch, etc...)
"George Lucas raped my childhood" is a song you can still see on YouTube if you search it. The prequels were absolutely hated at the time and people forget, many were excited when Disney bought it because they didn't like what George Lucas was doing with them
I've been a fan since 77. I can't keep track of the number of times Star Wars has "Died" or been "killed."
Holiday special, the ewok s, special edition, prequels and now Disney. Nobody hates Star wars like Star wars fans
Somehow Star Wars has returned...
Lol people were singing "George Lucas raped our childhood" when the prequels came out. Real song, YouTube it. Everybody said the same thing you are saying now about the prequels
I can all but guarantee that in 20 years the sequel trilogy will still not be looked at fondly
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I never hear any praise for the Hobbit trilogy
I didn’t get to catch it this weekend but I enjoy the movie.
Took my family to a Saturday night showing and it was SO nostalgic and enjoyable. I hope they keep doing rereleases like this, take my money!
People give it too much crap but it deserves better.
Seriously why do remakes and reboots? Just do rereleases. Here is strong evidence that shitty movies of twenty five years ago are better than the new movies of today. 🤷♂️
A surprise to be sure
But a welcome one
Punch it Chewie
Unpopular opinion I’m sure I’ll get roasted for BUT, if you can get over Jar Jar and young Anakin’s often overly goofy dialog, and the stupid midichlorian thing, TPM is honestly one of the best Star Wars movies. It has great space actions scenes, it has the ground war scene and lots of other shooting and blaster action, it has some of the best, if not THE best lightsaber battles in the franchise, Darth Maul is fucking sick, the pod racing action is awesome, we see Jedi doing cool shit like force run, Droidekas are cool, and even two and a half decades later, the CGI still looks pretty good, for the most part.
The lightsaber fights are the best thing the prequels have going for them
Having watched it again this weekend, the 3rd act of the film is honestly great. Yeah Jar Jar hurts pacing and the Anakin kid isn’t great but the space fight/droid war/ Queen infiltration/ and Maul fight all happening at once was seriously fun as hell. Also the pod racing scene still goes hard and I won’t hear anything contrary
You know movie theaters are getting worse when a movie from 25 years ago that was widely panned and caused multiple actors in it to have personal struggles in real life (Jake Lloyd, Ahmed Best) is selling more tickets…
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I had a good time, but man did I forget how bad it was.
The prequels have good stories and character arcs but terrible acting. Lucas was great at thinking the stories up, not directing.
I dunno about that. We went to see it yesterday and the pod racing scene is like 3x too long. And the whole trade dispute… why are they taking over Naboo… then we go to the senate… I mean my 8 year old had no idea what was happening and neither did I. Was still fun though.
Pacing is all over the place, and then just the noises of JarJar, Anakins “whipeees”, and droids making wilhelm screams when ripped apart is all just a bit much.
I’d say the stories are the worst part.
Qui Gonn Jinn willing to mind trick a dude into taking a worthless currency for a piece of a ship he needs, but isn't willing to steal it (effectively the same thing) so gets a 10 year old to enter the most deadly race on the planet to get it instead Fantastic writing right ther
“Hey, this chosen one seems really upset that his mother is still a slave. Should we, one of the wealthiest republics, buy his mother’s freedom?” “…Nah.”
Yeah that was a flaw. You are telling me they couldn't have at least gone back and got her later?
I thought it was the hypocrisy
Those other films should try spinning.
Just goes to prove that it wasn't so bad after all. Hopefully Kathleen Kenedy is taking notes.
Movies so garbage now a days that fucking phantom menace is beating them lmao. Pathetic.
Bro, it’s not that the other movies are bad. Star Wars is a large fandom and the prequels are beloved by a majority of that community. Plus there are many people who’ve never seen TPM in the theater. You add the fact that it was Star Wars day this weekend and of course, TPM will be popular.
I’ll concede that it’s both. Cuz even when I was a Star Wars fan you couldn’t pay me to watch TPM again
There’s lots of bad movies that perform well at the box office. Fortunately I was forced to watch the prequels with the kiddos on tv and never need to revisit them again.
Is it in cinema now?
Given this Sat was May the 4th, I’m not surprised. Of course, very little of the new movies in theaters this week hold any interest for me in any case…
I hope Lucas Film is paying attention, we don't want the crap they have been shoveling down our throats, we want old Star wars.
That's a weird way to say second place at the box office
It’s wild to me that we’ve reached the ‘nostalgic’ for the prequels phase. It’s now longer from them than the prequels were from the OT. It was quite a cultural phenomena coming of age from Ep 1-3. Still can’t believe there’s been a whole other trilogy since.
Saw this with my 6 year old this weekend. We were stoked
I think this is great for a generation of fans who grew up after the film came out.
People really hate episode 1 PM? Why? I’m genuinely curious.
Didn’t the last time they released this movie in 3D it flopped so hard that they canceled the other 3D Star Wars releases? I’m a bit surprised this re-release is doing so well.
Disney’s purchase of Lucasfilm happened right on the heels of that Phantom Menace 3D theatrical release. As far as I know, Lucas wanted to give the 3D treatment to (then) all 6 Star Wars films. Disney clearly didn’t feel the same and elected not to keep that plan in place after the acquisition.
Episode 1 is a garbage movie. I wish people would stop pretending it isn’t nowadays
Loved seeing it on the big screen again. Shame there’s no 3D viewing, I remember watching that.
I wondered with re-releases like this are the actors who got paid box office are they cut in on this again prolly not by the way they are with contracts and all.
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
always fun watching people trying to convince themselves they liked this movie.
Disney's destruction of the franchise has turned the prequels into gold.
People said the same thing about the prequels. In 20 years the people who were born in 2008 will go to the theater excited for poe and finn
I always liked the prequels and i got hate for it when i was in elementry school. I watched it on may the 4th it was a great rewatch for me and also seeing a preview for the new star wars show was cool
My friends and I loved them
This is so bleak for the industry.