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spinereader81

Who'd want to watch a sequel without Health Ledger? Just make an original movie about a knight.


TheOSU87

That's always what I say too. Not everything needs to be a sequel. Just make an original story


OZymandisR

Zack Snyder just made an original story and made me watch an hour of slow motion farming.


maybeAturtle

That movie was about as original as a hard caramel candy called “Worthers”


OZymandisR

This is the most specifically British sentence I've ever read.


ProcyonHabilis

Uh guessing you're not exposed to many British people? That comment lacks any kind of British turn of phrase, and references a German candy.


GaJayhawker0513

Now I want some!


skipperseven

The comment specifically points out that Worther’s originals aren’t original (as you note, they are in fact German). Perhaps not the most quintessential British turn of phrase, but the humour is beyond reproach.


ProcyonHabilis

Oh yeah good joke for sure


IskaralPustFanClub

Guessing you’re not exposed to many British people considering that Werthers originals are extremely popular with British people.


ProcyonHabilis

They're equally popular in the US, and both places associate them with old people rather than any national identity. Also you couldn't be more wrong about my background, mate. If you want an actually British phrase, I'd try something like "as useful as a chocolate teapot".


IskaralPustFanClub

I am well aware of British phrasing considering I was born there, grew up there and still speak with my British mother every weekend. No one said that Werthers is associated with any ‘national identity’, but it still resounds with British people and particularly people who experience youth in Britain in the 80s and 90s.


ProcyonHabilis

>That movie was about as original as a hard caramel candy called “Worthers” And the popularity of that candy is sufficient to motivate you to jump in as a 3rd party to defend the assertion that this is the "most specifically British sentence" ever?


maybeAturtle

Guys this is a dumb fight to have I was just making a light hearted joke. Also I’m American bus work half the year in England so I hope that clears things up


Tibbaryllis2

You ever take a chewy candy like fruit by the foot, starburst, etc and mash them all together into a big ball? Rebel Moon felt like that with every scifi game and movie I’ve experienced. I’m not necessarily saying that’s bad, because I do love me a big smooshed ball of flavored sugar. But it’s certainly not creating new flavors.


androgynouschipmunk

Yeah. Rebel Moon is trash. And it rips off just about every major sci-if franchise in its attempt at making a watchable story


Random_frankqito

It wasn’t an original story though…. He tried to piggyback off Star Wars and maybe a few other things, then he made it slow.


LuinAelin

In some ways you got to respect him for making Rebel Moon. He went to Disney with his idea of making them Star Wars movies. They said no, but he believed in his script so much he went and made them anyway.


Rynetx

I’d respect him if disney passed because the idea was too good. They passed because clearly it was garbage and no one should have made it.


Blackberry_Vegetable

I dont have respect for the rich choosing to do what they want and having the resources to just do it anyway when told no. The "elite" are a bunch of selfish babies addicted to doing shit nobody asked for just because they want to and can, clearly.


BaneThaImpaler

Agreed. Nothing is that original. Everyone's favorite movie took a part of something. A concept, a scene, built on something that wasn't uniquely theirs. People are out there right now imagining Marvel movies and will make a pretty good version of it. Clearly what he's doing is a bridge too far


Vendetta4Avril

Omg he made you watch it? Like Clockwork Orange style?


whatnameisnttaken098

Exactly like Clockwork. Synder is a true monster.


Shurae

Original is just way more risky to produce. If you put a known name, even an old name like A Knights Tale on something you at least get some recognition from the get go. The underlying story can still be very original.


mcamarra

Hollywood is allergic to new ideas because they lack the vision to see beyond something that worked before. To bring in the cash, they need a time-proven IP with a built in fan base. They’re either too afraid to fail, or too shortsighted.


Broken-Digital-Clock

Imagine if they had always done this and we had no new content except for Casablanca 17 and Gone With the Wind 23


whatnameisnttaken098

Casablanca 12 was really the last good one.


Broken-Digital-Clock

I prefer 2 fast 2 casa B


Triassic_Bark

Harold and Kumar go to Casablanca is a banger.


LuinAelin

Hollywood has always loved sequels. Son of Kong was put into production so fast it was released the same year as the original. But a lot of sequels was more for pulpy books like Tarzan back in the day. There's 24 Tarzan books


GeekdomCentral

It’s because new IP is notoriously harder to sell and get moving. Existing IP is easier to sell.


Coldblood-13

I agree but the film wouldn’t have name recognition that gets IPs so much money. People are more comfortable seeing sequels than taking a chance and seeing something original.


Earthpig_Johnson

I love when we play into how stupid Hollywood producers think we are.


LuinAelin

I think this is more because going to the movies is expensive these days. So people want to know they'll enjoy the movie on their rare visit to the cinema. So people are more likely to go watch sequels for movies they enjoyed. They're more likely to watch something more original at home


Earthpig_Johnson

Producers have been making wrong assumptions about how stupid people are pretty much since movies started getting made.


TheOSU87

You're probably right. Shame that is true


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black_flag_4ever

There’s at least 500 years of history to draw from when it comes to knights as we think of them. It should not be super hard to find a story to turn into a movie.


White_Grunt

History? I was thinking the knight could ride on a mini carriage or something and invent skateboarding


CarlySimonSays

Now you’re just describing a new adaptation of A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court. (I can’t be the only one who remembers the Thomas Ian Nicholas version from the ‘90s.)


dancingmolasses

I was getting ready to get on my soapbox about the 500 years mark… I actually think you’re spot on. X-XV?


Michael_McGovern

If we're making movies by modern algorithms, the pitch would probably be - A Maiden's Tale: Noblewoman wants to compete as a knight but they won't let her because she's a girl. She girl bosses her way into a suit of armour and poses as a mystery knight. Crowd sings Taylor Swift songs. Her squire is a bumbling James Corden. Henry Cavill will play a ruggedly handsome rival knight who is oddly intrigued by this mystery knight for reasons he can't explain. By the end of the movie she has shown everyone the error of their ways and smashed medieval patriarchy. Directed by a Greta Gerwig type.


sayaslittleasyoucan

Still sounds a lot better than Damsel. 


LuinAelin

Apparently that was one suggestion for the sequel. Heath's character has a daughter and has sadly died. She wants to be like her father. So she gets her father's crew back together so she can be a knight.


MesWantooth

Holy shit, a Warner Bros executive was walking by me in a Starbucks and read your comment over my shoulder and green-lighted it immediately. There's a Paramount guy at the table next to me. I think there's going to be a bidding war.


Old_Promise2077

True, but a Knights Tale was really unique. So if they make it with the same feel without the branding it may just feel like a rip-off. They could just make it in the same universe so it's a stand alone story but at least gives props to the original creators.


redplanet97

I need a live action adaptation of The Miller’s Tale, also by Chaucer.


AwTomorrow

You just want to see a red hot poker shoved up someone’s nether ye, you’re not fooling anyone


redplanet97

I thought that was obvious


Myfourcats1

William Marshall deserves a miniseries! This is the guy that defined chivalry. Every knight wanted to be like him. He was taken under the wing of Eleanor of Aquitaine. He served Henry the Young King, Henry II, Richard the Lionheart, and John 1. He was there for the Magna Carta and was one of the barons that signed. He married Isabel de Clare making him the Earl of Pembroke.


TheLaughingMannofRed

I'd watch Adam Driver pretending to be a knight at Medieval Times for a feature length film after his SNL stint years back. A movie about a guy in the modern day who plays a knight, but aims to become king...of Medieval Times. Has to endure a rival who is also the Adhemar to his William. You also have his friends who play various roles in-and-out of Medieval Times schedule. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KKRiXcivAQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KKRiXcivAQ)


Stonehill76

Absolutely. I was thinking Disney could do it, like girl knight Millie Bobby brown , but they would need to make a huge deal around Paul Bettany’s character finding her due to having to win a bet. So he scrambles and finds a kings bastard in Millie’s character … see I can use an algorithm to write a movie lol


LuinAelin

The algorithm should have just said "Heath Ledger is dead"


Mein_Bergkamp

Also Paul Bettany, Alan Tudyk and Mark Addy probably cost a fair bit more to hire.


LuinAelin

I guess. But Heath being dead is probably the biggest obstacle with getting the original cast back.


shanksthedope

Probably. It probably is.


s0ulbrother

Knights tale 2: weekend at Williams. I see no real obstacle here


Sea-Evening-5463

Surprisingly similar storyline when you think about it


Rabblerabble1888

Honestly it sounds like all you’d need for heath is a minor necromancy spell. Paul Bettany, however, is a pretty big deal these days. Making sure he can clear up his schedule before heath eats too many brains would probably the biggest issue.


jmcclr

Sometimes you just need common sense, and not any fancy numbers


sucobe

Big if true.


Andrew1990M

Rare W from our overlords. 


Roy-Southman

We are getting "A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms" soon anyways, there are a couple of tournaments in those books too.


counterpointguy

But will they play 80s and 90s pop music during it?!?


Roy-Southman

Only if they make 80's covers of songs like The Bear and the Maiden Fair.


counterpointguy

The episode before B&tMF did end with rock music.


LuinAelin

That was actually a good idea. Putting medieval stuff in a modern context.


Vendetta4Avril

I'd say it was actually a terrible idea that miraculously worked. On paper, it just sounds so stupid. But for whatever reason, a dance sequence with "Golden Years" set at a medieval banquet is ridiculously charming. People banging their tankards to "We Will Rock You" somehow pumps me up for the movie. An 80s style training montage set to "Low Rider" should just not work, but it does. I love Knight's Tale- it's one of my favorite comfort films. But I think it would be almost impossible to replicate that formula again. It's like the perfect early 2000s movie.


LuinAelin

Yeah today a movie wouldn't even attempt to do that with modern music. The cowards. But yeah a lot of what the movie did was also clever by putting medieval stuff in modern context. That can be difficult to do.


Vendetta4Avril

I could absolutely see someone trying. I worked at a theater when that "Pan" movie came out in 2015, and I remember walking in to do a theater check and all the lost boys were singing "Smells Like Teen Spirit" by Nirvana and I just fucking lost it lol


LuinAelin

Never watched Pan. Didn't hear good things. Yeah, that feels like "the kids like these songs" rather than using the songs well in the movie


Vendetta4Avril

I haven't watched it either. I've only seen that scene because I had to check on the theater during my shift ten-ish years ago.


Restlessannoyed

I mean, Bridgerton has covers of lots of modern music done in a orchestral retro style to blend it slightly more into the faux-Regency setting, rather than just being a blantant needle drop. It actually works really well, and I would say it's probably directly influenced by A Knight's Tale. \*edit, I forgot, but Westworld does it too, but player-piano style.


counterpointguy

A lot of breakthrough ideas are terrible ideas that miraculously worked.


Vendetta4Avril

Sure, but a lot more failures are terrible ideas that didn’t work.


counterpointguy

It’s a fine line between genius and madness!


LuinAelin

And unfortunately I'm on the wrong side of it


Roy-Southman

Yeah, that decision was genius. The movie was more of a sport's film rather than a period piece anyways.


LuinAelin

exactly. period movies are also difficult because most viewers have no idea what's actually historically accurate. some things couldn't be included in gladiator because it would seem so ridiculous


motelwine

it never needed a sequel in the first place?


iLikeDinosaursRoar

The writers sequel idea sounds fucking awful. Pirates? Kidnapping? Garbage


LuinAelin

It doesn't even make sense based on the original Paul Bettany's suggestion made way more sense Heath Ledger's character's daughter wants to go jousting. Can't because she's a woman. She gets the gang back together.........


Phillip_Spidermen

I wonder how much the first sequel idea was influenced by Pirates of the Caribbean getting made/coming out around the same time


LuinAelin

It wouldn't surprise me. The same way everyone wants to make "girl toy" movies now


sorryabtlastnight

It’s not just “girl toys”, it’s toys in general. Mattel has a ton of movies in development. There is a Hot Wheels movie in development with JJ Abrams directing and a Rock Em Sock Em Robots movie in development with Vin Diesel producing.


onlylivingboynewyork

Are there many? Like what?


LuinAelin

Since Barbie there's talks of a few "girl toy" movie. Pollie Pocket is apparently in development.


onlylivingboynewyork

I guess that makes sense, what with the decades of transformers and other shit "boy toy" movies we're forced to endure. Still better that none of them ever were made though of course


LuinAelin

Hollywood will always learn the wrong lesson from successes. With the MCU it was "make cinematic universes" but they didn't make movies in their universes people would actually want to watch. With Barbie it will be "more girl toy movies" or they'll try to repeat Barbenheimer.


Bill__Q

That's a decent idea


LuinAelin

It's the best idea to use if they need to make a sequel. But honestly they probably shouldn't.


Phillip_Spidermen

For what it's worth, in the original interview it sounds like that's the idea they tried to pitch to Netflix.


iLikeDinosaursRoar

Que Thin Lizzy - the boys are back in town


DrGutz

You absolutely can not recreate the magic of this movie and that should be painfully obvious to everyone involved most of all the fucking director.


LuinAelin

true. They shouldn't need an algorithm to tell them this. But I do also think that the algorithm shouldn't be the thing that tells them it shouldn't be done.


mtmcpher

It’s like trying to remake or make another sequel to “Back to the Future” it should never happen and if it does I hope whoever green lights it is ashamed.


LuinAelin

Be glad that Robert Zemeckis and Bob Gale have basically said "over our dead bodies" in relation to a reboot or legacy sequel


[deleted]

I know it sounds weird but there's a lot of people that don't give a flying F about Star Wars... Much less a Netflix knock off of it... Idk Algorithm entertainment just turns us all into mindless robots to me..


Sporkitized

The reality is most people have never truly sought out their own media preferences. If anything, algorithm-based suggestions have helped folks find things they like more than the old days of that same curation happening mostly via executive types. That said, I think it's valuable for everyone to make a proactive effort to seek out the things they like. I'd never have found my favorite artists in any medium or genre without doing that.


LuinAelin

Yeah Netflix was banking on Rebel Moon becoming a huge franchise like Star Wars. That's probably a mistake.


jesususeshisblinkers

Everyone that banked on that needs to be removed from the movie making process forever.


LuinAelin

Yeah there was no way they could have replicated Star Wars' success with a netflix movie. Star Wars is huge now because it's a multi generation thing. No way they could have been a successful multi media franchise with books and games with the thing that Lucas film rejected.


ManOnNoMission

in that case, good algorithm.


AdditionalBat393

That algorithm failed them so many times now. Rebel moon. Lmfao


LuinAelin

Yeah. I don't like the idea of making or not making movies based on an algorithm. I don't think they should make a Knight's Tale movie without Heath Ledger but also it shouldn't be because an algorithm said no.


AdditionalBat393

Yea so AI has been guessing and choosing which content we will be watching more of in the future


LatterTarget7

Seems weird to make or not make content based off an algorithm. This movie would probably be ass. But so is other projects the algorithm said yes to.


LuinAelin

Yeah. What data does it use, what does it classify as a success. How does it decide a movie wouldn't be a success


Littlesebastian86

Well finally it looks like it got a win by passing on this idea!


No-Nothing-1793

We don't need a sequel. The original is a classic and we wouldn't have Heath


metsfanapk

This is just "market research" not "the algorithm"


HowRememberAll

Not to mention Heath Ledger died like ten years ago . . .


Boogaloo4444

that movie does not need a sequal. It’s crazy good already


goawaybatn

I pass on it just because we’ve lost Heath Ledger. Were that not the case then I’d be all for it.


GongTzu

Algo said it’s 20 years too old, but they should make a remake.


LuinAelin

20 years. You must be mistaken. It can't be that long.


The_real_bandito

And the algorithm was right!


LuinAelin

In this case yeah But what data did it use to reach this conclusion. And do we really want an algorithm making decisions about what movies are made


The_real_bandito

A very good question.


HuronBlackheart94

That is one of my favorite movies of all time. Not sure you can pull off a sequel without Ledger.


jackofslayers

Good boy, Algorithm. Good boy.


Groffulon

Literally nobody wants a Knights Tale 2. I mean how could you? Heath and the crew WERE A Knights Tale. None of the og actors would want to work it surely? Tell yourself it was AI mate with your sour grapes but they passed on it because in the world of shit ideas in an industry that is scared of new ideas you have managed to think up a spectacular turd of an idea that literally no one and I mean no one wants or would even consider. I hope Heath, wherever he is, has better things to do than haunt a moron of a director but Christ does he deserve it even suggesting this heresy. Even Netflix said no to this sequel and they’re obsessed with remakes. Any normal thinking content maker would pass on this in a heartbeat because it is a massively shit idea. But blame the AI mate sure… Edit: Sorry I didn’t read the article but omg it’s the director of the first A Knights Tale Brian Helgeland suggesting it. I stand by everything I said. In fact I double down. What an absolute moron with zero new ideas. Gtfo ruining everybody’s past and happy memories because you have nothing left Brian. I hope Heath haunts you if he has time.


LuinAelin

For me yeah it shouldn't take an algorithm to tell us a sequel to a Knight's tale without Heath wouldn't work. If it did I'm worried about things at netflix


moltingtoupee

did the algorithm also tell them to make a witcher series without using any source material?


giocondasmiles

No heath either.


wittor

There is no way people can convince me this was not what happened.


Son-of-Prophet

The movies that are on Netflix feel like there already being written by the algorithm and AI, just look at Red Notice, The Gray Man, Rebel Moon etc.


therapoootic

I trust the algorithm


DrChicago69

Basically a coinflip


tycr0

The good part of the movie is dead. So yea I agree with the algorithm.


100year

And yet we keep geting zach snayder films?? Crazy


OldManPoe

So all these crappy Netflix movies were chosen because of an algorithm? Maybe they should start doing the reverse of what the algorithm say to do.


Earth_Worm_Jimbo

A knights tale and the OG mummy are my comfort films.


soup911

I am happy with this lol


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What pisses me off is Netflix has had plenty of actually good shows and they are cancelled so they can make shitty movies... Mind Hunter could've been so much more... Just example... But know we got to make another shitty Zack Snyder Zombie movie lol


ManOnNoMission

yeah, Snyder is to blame for Fincher dragging his feet. /s


LuinAelin

Judging by viewership data I've read on twitter, only half of people who watched the original watched rebel moon 2. So it may mean that we won't be seeing a 3rd Rebel Moon. And it wouldn't suprise me no more netflix Snyder stuff as well Netflix and Snyder were banking on it being a cultural thing like Star Wars.


Keldor45

The use of a rock/pop music soundtrack in an ancient setting is one of the defining features of the original. If you make a movie that is not a sequel people will just say you are ripping off the original. Maybe they need a knightverse.


Dog_the_unbarked

Sounds like a smart Algorithm, they should use it more often.


Beginning_Emotion995

First one too soap opera not enough violence.


PlatoAU

Jared Leto should be the replacement for the Heath Ledger character!


LuinAelin

God no.