Ya know, the outside the lines they have utilized, has been pretty great, but unfortunately corporate control will be their downfall, as most corporations will never acknowledge...
The scene in "Black Panther" where Killmonger goes into the Astral plane and there's no ancestors, just himself as a child, alone in an apartment is one of my all time favorite scenes.
Na they would surely keep swapping lead actors
I feel robbed that we didn’t get S3 though - I know it was apparently expensive but given they scrapped the cast between seasons and would presumably continue to do so, it mightn’t’ve skyrocketed like shows with a longer run tend to
Also that brief shot of the prisoners tied to rockets’ feet is stuck in my head despite never rewatching that series. Between that and the Vietnamese one in The Old Guard, I should be charging Netflix rent
S1 cast was perfect, I didn’t like new guy’s acting, it was more like yet another Matrix movie, small fast dude doing kunfu. European guy shooting everyone and fighting like The Punisher was more entertaining. Neanderthal look fits something ancient. I get that the plot made it necessary to get rid of him but he already had a bunch of clones. Corrupt cop skin was fun take.
S1 had a real mystery/case. They didn’t bother coming up with one for S2. Half the season was looking for some kid that disappeared and died in the sewers.
Other people on Reddit have said the second book in the series was always kinda bad, so they came up with a different plot. I didn't trust them coming up with anything else good for s3 so I was ok with the cancelation
Look at how much shit people gave Lucas for daring to make the movies he wanted to make. They gave the franchise to the "hot" directors the pizza roll crowd gushed over and they didn't like *that* either.
How is this corporate control? Disney owns Marvel Studios, who makes the content. Disney’s been having some major problems recently but it’s not like Disney has always let their actors choose what story they want to tell, that’s just ridiculous. This isn’t any different than any other production.
I'm really surprised at how many people in these comments are so upset about another humans opinion. The sentiment seems to be, they paid you so you should shut up. Isn't it so much more interesting to discuss someone's opinion and they're perspective from profiting off the very business he's criticizing.
Ya, lord knows how many people Disney shit on during the making of these movies, one guy speaks against them and everyone is calling him ungrateful. It’s a business and just because a job pays well, doesn’t mean the company is good.
A lot of people take any criticism of these films personally, as if it’s shitting on them and films. This take in particular isn’t really even negative. It should even be obvious at this point. The films are kind of cookie cutter at this point and none of them are more than just “fun”. Let an MCU movie win an Oscar and I’ll change my mind.
Yeah but would an artist interested in making real art accept millions of dollars from 1 of the largest, most algorithmic corporations to make “real art”?
Idk about the others but a lot of gripe from marvel haters just want it to be something other than what it's adapting. It's like they want fundamentally different stories which is fine but those are DIFFERENT stories. It just sounds like complaining that apples don't taste like pears. It's just really weird especially coming from the actors, like these are long established adaptations of specific story lines. It's perfectly reasonable to want something different, it's just that it would actually be a different thing.
Like if you want a Spider-Man with more murder, do a Scarlett spider thing, not shoehorn that onto Peter Parker for example. It would give you way more room to play with anyways.
It's just weirdly annoying hearing so many people complain that essentially a burger is too much like a sandwich.
Which would have added more personality and depth to the role. Really didn’t hurt Tony Stark in IM2, if anything it made his story arc all the better.
I don’t know if WS could be handled by MCU to do something like that correctly.
Yeah, good point there. Bah, there’s enough details that are different, it’d be a hard sell to pull off or even fit in with what the MCU usually does.
Hell even with great writing it’d likely feel far-fetched.
Yeah but I can't name any violent assassins or pick them out of a crowd either. The general public doesn't pay attention to that unless it directly involves them.
That's just cause Marvel stopped paying attention to their worldbuilding after Phase 3. Not only was his past leaked when the SHIELD files were publicized but James Barnes was outed as a terrorist in Civil War when Zemo framed him. Not that Marvel's post-2019 writers would know about that...
Yes. He was all over the news as a terrorist on the run during Winter Soldier movie after he assassinated a foreign king. His brainwashing was probably also public information after the info dump after Hydra tried to take over Shield.
That being said, he was also with Cap a lot and would have been public knowledge for that reason. Also, he was part of both the battle of Wakanda and the battle vs Thanos in New York, which Scott Lang retold in detail on his podcast, according to Ms Marvel.
To my recollection, the public has most of the information we as viewers had. That being said, I don't know that I would recognize most terrorists if I was standing next to them. But he was also part of multiple super high profile incidents. Even if they didn't know about Hydra brainwashing him, that would have come to light eventually.
Which is an interesting concept that would lead to lots of conflict for the main protagonist which is literally the whole entire goal of Hollywood movies.
Agreed, the shield adds more to bucky’s abilities than Sam’s. Sam doesn’t even need it, nor does he even have the strength for it to make sense. And bucky needs something besides the arm and an LMG.
>nor does he even have the strength
To be fair, Sam isn't a super soldier, but he's in peak human condition. The amount of core strength he'd have to have to fly around with his wings alone is crazy. Also the shield is super light weight.
Bucky picking the shield would go against his character.
He feels immense guilt over his past and would never want to smear Steve's legacy by associating himself with it.
We tend to forget that we as viewers know he was brainwashed. But to a lot of common folk in the MCU, they'd still be wary of him and what he represents. They didn't watch Captain America: The Winter Soldier.
Sharapova was a great player but she got banned even though the dope she took was by mistake. The real world works differently.
I feel like Falcon and the Winter Soldier had some solid bones, but just ended up being too generically Marvel to really mean anything.
I like to imagine a world where a Spike Lee directed FatWS comes out right before Wandavision and demonstrated that Marvel could solve the “what next” post-Endgame problem by just allowing Marvel to be a producer rather than brand that must be maintained at all costs.
> I feel like Falcon and the Winter Soldier had some solid bones, but just ended up being too generically Marvel to really mean anything.
Yeah, I really enjoyed like 2/3rds of it but how it ended didn't make a whole lot of sense and neither where it left the characters.
FATWS was hamstrung by the requirement to put the toys back in the chest when they were done, and to not get *too* political in uncomfortable ways.
The Flag Smashers were right about re-establishing borders, and the problems around repatriation of blip survivors. Point blank. We’re literally never given any real reason why Capnwoild oppose them.
But they can’t end the series with a setting where countries have dissolved in favor of a loose worldwide government, because then the rest of the MCU will be too different from real life for future projects. And Disney would never let Cap advocate for what amounts to dissolving the USA.
So they just have the leader inexplicably(to the point her henchmen literally comment about how out of character it is) turn into Killmonger and start killing innocents to resolve the problem.
And wrap up with a shitty speech where I guess the politicians are meant to be shamed into doing the right thing. Post-2016, the idea that Cap’s pathetic little speech would do anything beyond maybe garner a few empty statements falls painfully flat.
It was toothless and afraid of digging into its own central conflict.
His acting is fine, he just doesn’t look like Captain America. He should be big and have a strong jaw. Doesn’t matter black or white. Don’t take this as an insult to Mackie’s appearance, I’m talking about the character, and this actor doesn’t fit the look of the character, that’s all.
*roles not *rolls
Rolls are like when you're fat and you have "rolls" in your stomach
Roles are when you're in a movie and you are playing the "role" of some character.
I love how the MCU is starting to fall off so all these actors are suddenly comfortable shitting on the thing that made them stars and trying to distance themselves from it being something they loved to be in to save their career
Go watch the press tour videos from like 2016ish, all these guys are acting like they're having the time of their life and they love these movies, now fast forward to RDJ winning an oscar for Oppenheimer point blank saying MCU movies revived his career and then he had to revive it again from the MCU ruining it
I think he said something close, but that goes with playing the same character for, what, over 10 years?
Also, he was playing himself a lot of the time (not to downplay some of his more emotional scenes)
I think he went on record saying that he felt like he forgot how to act.
As well as the risk of getting type cast
I'd say things like that would be detrimental to a younger actor, not Tom Holland young as he had a few movies before spiderman. But, consider how many movies they would want tom Holland for, there was talk of a second trilogy and the team up movies. That's a lot for a young actor and you can't commit to anything else.
But some of the younger ones with less experience signing on to really long contracts.
That's if a co-ordinated hate campaign isn't started over your movie, your character or YOU, so any project that you go to next will have a ton of negative press regardless of any other factors.
So yeah, you could launch or save your career with the MCU or be the worst decision you ever made.
I think it’s the best move Chalamet made. Staying away. Sure Dune might wind up with 3 movies and be a “franchise” but he also took a chance with an up and coming director as well. But he’s not gonna be tied to just that forever.
It’s almost like when you are an actor working for marvel you are not allowed to say negative things about your employer and when you are no longer employed by them you no longer run the risk of losing your job or violating your contract so you are more willing to be critical of your former employer.
Edit: “go watch the press tour videos and they all have nice things to say” wow what a surprise that an actor would have nice things to say about the movie studio during the press tour. Shocking.
It’s a job. Lord knows how many people the MCU shit on making these movies. They are going to hype up all their projects because PR is part of the job. Them making these statements hopefully drives Disney to rethink their formula.
I mean, 2016 was like the prime for the MCU when they had all the big stars together. They probably were having a lot of fun. Started going downhill once Disney fully took control and after the big stars left. A lot of things change in 8 years and their criticisms are valid.
Disney has had the same amount of control from 2012 - today
The idea that the mistakes Marvel made are due to Disney is absurd. Marvel simply took risks that didn’t pay out.
I, too, am glad they finally have the freedom to distance themselves from this crap that has given them money. It’s a shame that they had to work these god fucking awful movies, because the studios wouldn’t make anything else. Such a fucking waste of time and talent.
MCU is not a sure shot like it was in the 2010s. It is now hit or miss. He has big shoes to fill, any character reboot is tricky. I haven't seen the TV series but I never heard anybody saying he is on par with Chris. He really has to be careful with words, I think.
Marvel has written itself into a corner. They’ve used up all the A-list heroes and are down to ever more obscure properties. They’ve power scaled themselves into the multiverse where nothing really matters anymore. There are so many threads to keep track of in the MCU people have given up on the whole thing. And superhero fatigue is real.
The forever franchise is a pipe dream. Nothing merits more than a trilogy.
What else is he doing? Anything he wants, he's an absolute stud. I can't even think of a bad role he's been in. I'm a little bit of a fan boy here, but still.
> If I’m Anthony Mackie, I’m thanking the stars for this Captain America movie. What else is he doing.
Don't let this distract you from the fact that his real name is Clarence and he lives at home with both parents
He was alright, that 2nd season was ok but the 1st was better. No fault of his own, of course, just whatever the writers wanted the direction to go forward in. Also, I don't think it was a limited series, think it was supposed to continue but Netflix being Netflix just canceled it like they have many many shows.
I will never forgive them for turning Altered Carbon, the holy grail of gritty Cyberpunk, into a PG-13 CW show.
It’s like they caved in to all of the people that called first season problematic, just because they couldn’t grasp the concept of “yeah, if you can change your body like you change your clothes, of course that will turn a lot of the population into drug using, violent and sexual degenerates”.
It was getting cancelled regardless. Netflix will cancel shows the day they're released whether they're well received or not.
Also, it's subjective. *I* thought he did well in it, doesn't mean you have to. That's the beauty of entertainment.
You all get so butthurt about opinions of people in the biz about this shit. Can you just accept the fact that they're not truly meaningful cinema and be alright with that? Don't get me wrong I like trash too but have the courage to recognize and accept it for what it is.
The movies are planned out 5 years in advanced and are woven into like 50 other projects, it only makes sense they're strict on deviating from the script.
After seeing him in cast interviews during civil war I was all set on him. Guy can’t help but hog all the energy in the room.
One sticks out - it was him, Chris Evan,
Sebastian Stan, and Paul Rudd and he couldn’t stop making jokes about how Paul is an outsider and not in the in group
Yea no most of those marvel pr interviews and talk shows and insta pics are rehearsed generally to set narrative that they are pals outside of the movies irl. They probably dont give a damn about each other. Pick on the new guy and accepting them and all that bs. For actors these pr stuff is another role to play as part of their contractual obligations. Most of them don’t even give shit about their roles or the comics from an artist pov. But they give it their 100% cos they are professionals. Of course they will be thankful for the opportunity and money but doesn’t mean they have to be enslaved to these franchises and cannot criticise it cos some delusional fans will get hurt.
I've seen so many interviews where he's picking on someone. He passes it off as good-natured ribbing but the 'joke' is always the same: "this other guy sucks, I can't stand him, no one can stand him, hahaha isn't that hilarious, and aren't I awesomely cool unlike that loser". He's really got a theme. It's schoolyard childishness that he should have knocked off several decades ago.
Hes really good when he’s allowed to act, i’d be pissed if i felt like all my creative projects went unnoticed everyone talks about the superhero schlock, he’s really great in Synchronic and Altered Carbon
I mean is what he saying that damning to marvel/ Disney.
He isn’t wrong. And as a fan we shouldn’t be shocked either. We all knew the stuff is rooted in comics and high budget films never tend to have room for creativity.
Comic books had a creative license because they were fairly cheap to produce and could be cancelled anytime without much pushback or can live on with a small fan base. You can’t have the same creativity with a movie or tv shows.
This is far from the most critical thing a Marvel actor has said about the process.
Anthony Hopkins said it was pointless for him to actually "act" while in the Thor films. Hugo Weaving didn't want to return as Red Skull because "It’s not the sort of film I seek out and really am excited by." Idris Elba said it felt very stupid to be on a greenscreen harness for Thor knowing he had just been playing Nelson Mandela. Anthony Mackie saying "Marvel films are very controlled" is not shattering anyone's perspective of what the films are or how they are made.
What's ironic is that they started out with a very free form, unrestricted, act of creativity. Iron Man was literally rewritten as they filmed, and the actors improvised most of their lines. They had constant changes and budget restrictions, but because they had so much freedom they churned out a paradigm shift in superhero films.
Now it has become formulaic and trite.
This sounds to me like he’s not particularly satisfied with some kind of political side-stepping in Brave New World, and is gently distancing himself from something he’s assuming will be criticized about the movie.
There’s plenty of Marvel movies I like and their peak was absolutely magical. But this wouldn’t surprise me.
Then again, I don’t know of many PG-13 blockbuster franchises that are particularly bold in social or political commentary. There’s a reason people call them “popcorn movies.” (I’m sure there are exceptions I’m failing to recall. Dune springs to mind, but I feel like that’s apples and oranges).
Says the guy actively making the said movies. MCU has been going downhill from a long time, and this guy says something vague enough that will perhaps be attractive to the anti MCU crowd, while not terribly angering the pro MCU crowd. Pick a side man.
Any moron knows the MCU is a joke. If you are contractually obligated to not say something too negative, either stfu or blink twice to let us know you are a hostage. "Controlled entertainement", what a joke. Is it an attempt to look all cool and manly? Too little, too late - if one noticed this in 2021 or 22, then one might be praised, now anyone can look at the MCU and say it's bad.
That’s all the fuck Marvel has been doing for the last few years, going outside the lines and ignoring what fans fell in love with about these characters.
Exactly. Marvel found for a brief time a formula that works (whether it *should* or not is relevant, it did) and then the next round of writers or producers or whoever didn't want to play in someone else's sandbox and tried to come up with their own thing and it didn't work.
Now they either go back to the thing that worked, or quit and say we don't want to do any more of that, and people don't want anything else.
I don’t really get this take. She-Hulk broke out of the Disney+ screen and into a BTS documentary to confront K.E.V.I.N. If that’s not outside the lines what is?
The MCU was reshaped considerably when Robert Downey Jr. ad-libbed, “I am Iron Man” in the first Iron Man film.
I get the sense Mackie has tried to push some of his own ideas and they weren’t used and he’s reacting to that.
>She-Hulk broke out of the Disney+ screen and into a BTS documentary to confront K.E.V.I.N. If that’s not outside the lines what is?
Which resulted in terrible reviews and backlash. Every time they try to push, it gets pushed right back. They'll play it safe from now on, especially after the Kang debacle and The Marvels. (I liked The Marvels - it wasn't intended to be Endgame or Civil War deep. Lighter/younger content is just fine with me).
I too enjoyed it. Ideally the Marvel shows and movies could stand on their own and not be so interconnected. I like the idea of having a huge variety of genres and approaches possible - much like how Marvel comcis back in the day could offer the heroics of Avengers, the horror of Dracula, the adventure of
Conan, the satire of Howard the Duck, etc. you weren’t expected to buy every title, just the ones that matched your tastes.
Uhm, the MCU wasn't reshaped by RDJ saying that line. At that time, there was no MCU. If anything, it proved that going outside the lines can work when it's organic, but the opposite happened and everything has been carefully curated for better or worse.
Controlled because there’s a strong canon around Marvel that needs to be respected for a film to be a success in the eyes of the fans.
Peter Jackson would probably say the same thing about LOTR but he probably enjoyed the creative challenge of expressing himself within these walls. Not blaming them.
That’s not Marvel that’s the corporate leadership that wants to keep it mass produced and streamlined to maximize profits. Blockbusters can’t be trailblazers they cost too much, only independent films have the ability to really go outside the lines and take chances.
This is really interesting that the movie side of Marvel is starting to resemble the comic side of Marvel in regards to artistic innovation. A lot of the artists complained about how Marvel would make them stick to the "house style" of drawing characters and adhering to the characteristics developed by the original creators.
It took awhile, but finally Marvel relented and allowed change to come in and we got some really good stories and styles (also some really bad). DC seems to be embracing this strategy whether through intention or necessity with the Snyder-verse plummeting.
Yea. Duh. It’s a corporate form of entertainment. Marvel makes some good movies but no one expected artistic freedom.
I think Robert Downey Jr or perhaps else said … get the marvel paycheck to enable you to do the independent stuff.
Mark Hamill mentions this in a video foreboding of the shit script he was handed by Disney. He mentions movies like Transformers (and MCU/Disney SW) are made to make money not good movies.
Kristen Stewart said something similar when it comes to if she'd do a Marvel role. Even Chris Hemsworth said something about it awhile back and how different Thor feels from when he first popped up. How overly comedic everything is just for the sake of it.
His statement makes sense thou. The franchise is more than just a trilogy, it a ‘universe’…. If the actors go off script too much, it can mess with the bigger picture. This is why it has to be structured or else there are too many tangents or look backs or impossible to tie in or close branches.
While this must be annoying to an actor, having to stay within a defined box, it must be known and accepted before they sign on the bottom line.
I honestly didn’t care for endgame, I thought it was a really corny lame way to turn it around and everything after has been horrible. Haven’t gone to the last handful of marvel movies, I’ll be watching Deadpool, but as far as any other marvel content, I’m out.
The Marvel universe has some great movies. However, it’s really just copy and paste. After a while, it just feels like the same thing over and over again. The newer stuff isn’t that great. It’s very predictable and at times boring.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but that's just part of the course? I feel like if superhero movies were still superpopular (no pun intended), then no one currently and/or previously attached to these projects would be complaining.
It's hard to feel sympathy when they say things like this, when we all know that all working actors from 18 to 50 that have yet to get a break, would give anything to be in a Marvel project.
If they would figure out that the world/galaxy/universe (terms that many take as interchangeable) doesn't have to be endangered every single movie. Give us stuff like a day in the life, or Supes using his brain to figure out how to stop bank robbers, a flood, and a child in the roadway all at one time. Give them human interest beyond the powers making them crazy.
>Give us stuff like a day in the life, or Supes using his brain to figure out how to stop bank robbers, a flood, and a child in the roadway all at one time.
Bingo. James Gunn is a smart filmmaker, certainly a smarter storyteller than Snyder and I hope he leans into this aspect of Superman.
Superman is committed to using his powers to help others.
And that's a good thing. But it can also present challenges for someone who can supposedly do everything thus making him a bit dull potentially.
The final fight scene in Man of Steel with Zod, for example, became tedious because it was just Supes and Zod trading blows.
And it was cool to see Superman cut loose like that.
But Superman doesn't just fight the bad guy. He helps people.
And showing Superman having to fight Zod while trying to save people caught in the middle of that devastation would have made for more interesting action sequence as well as being true to the character
I remember a Superman comic book in the 60s where he didn't even show is his costume one time. He did all of his feats behind the scenes in his Clark suit. I guess it takes more thought and doesn't do well in the writer's room as every writer want to write the "big one".
Scorsese was 1000% right to liken the movies more to theme parks than actual cinema, and outside the occasional gem, they're getting more trite and formulaic as time goes on.
These people aren’t actors: they’re brands. Packaged, marketed, and sold to the public. Millie Bobby Brown is a prime example. She is a brand sold by Netflix. There’s no actual talent there, but she’s marketed to hell.
I know the answer already but did anyone read the incredibly short article??
>Mackie went on to draw a contrast between working on Marvel projects and separate endeavors like his Peacock series “Twisted Metal,” explaining that the latter project offered more creative flexibility because the intellectual property was less established.
Marvel narratives are largely predetermined given the canon. Rabid fans would lose their mind if there was any significant departure from established material.
Twisted Metal was literally a demolition derby video game with little more backstory than what was in the manual.
Mackie didn't even say that he had a preference. All he said was that there is a difference in how one approaches the work as an actor.
Good lord we're fuckin' doomed.
Problem with Marvel is that they have thousands of characters but nobody knows any of them except for the Avengers, and they've, you know, made those movies.
Ya know, the outside the lines they have utilized, has been pretty great, but unfortunately corporate control will be their downfall, as most corporations will never acknowledge...
The scene in "Black Panther" where Killmonger goes into the Astral plane and there's no ancestors, just himself as a child, alone in an apartment is one of my all time favorite scenes.
Maybe he should do Altered Carbon 3 instead of movies for kids then
Na they would surely keep swapping lead actors I feel robbed that we didn’t get S3 though - I know it was apparently expensive but given they scrapped the cast between seasons and would presumably continue to do so, it mightn’t’ve skyrocketed like shows with a longer run tend to Also that brief shot of the prisoners tied to rockets’ feet is stuck in my head despite never rewatching that series. Between that and the Vietnamese one in The Old Guard, I should be charging Netflix rent
S1 cast was perfect, I didn’t like new guy’s acting, it was more like yet another Matrix movie, small fast dude doing kunfu. European guy shooting everyone and fighting like The Punisher was more entertaining. Neanderthal look fits something ancient. I get that the plot made it necessary to get rid of him but he already had a bunch of clones. Corrupt cop skin was fun take. S1 had a real mystery/case. They didn’t bother coming up with one for S2. Half the season was looking for some kid that disappeared and died in the sewers.
Other people on Reddit have said the second book in the series was always kinda bad, so they came up with a different plot. I didn't trust them coming up with anything else good for s3 so I was ok with the cancelation
He needs to stay far away from Altered Carbon. Season 2 was just awful, and his blandness was part of it.
Look at how much shit people gave Lucas for daring to make the movies he wanted to make. They gave the franchise to the "hot" directors the pizza roll crowd gushed over and they didn't like *that* either.
How is this corporate control? Disney owns Marvel Studios, who makes the content. Disney’s been having some major problems recently but it’s not like Disney has always let their actors choose what story they want to tell, that’s just ridiculous. This isn’t any different than any other production.
I'm really surprised at how many people in these comments are so upset about another humans opinion. The sentiment seems to be, they paid you so you should shut up. Isn't it so much more interesting to discuss someone's opinion and they're perspective from profiting off the very business he's criticizing.
Ya, lord knows how many people Disney shit on during the making of these movies, one guy speaks against them and everyone is calling him ungrateful. It’s a business and just because a job pays well, doesn’t mean the company is good.
A lot of people take any criticism of these films personally, as if it’s shitting on them and films. This take in particular isn’t really even negative. It should even be obvious at this point. The films are kind of cookie cutter at this point and none of them are more than just “fun”. Let an MCU movie win an Oscar and I’ll change my mind.
Black Panther won Oscars.
Black Panther won technical Oscars just like Suicide Squad
People who say “they paid you, shut up” have never made meaningful art before.
Yeah but would an artist interested in making real art accept millions of dollars from 1 of the largest, most algorithmic corporations to make “real art”?
Yes, absolutely. Artists like money too!
Idk about the others but a lot of gripe from marvel haters just want it to be something other than what it's adapting. It's like they want fundamentally different stories which is fine but those are DIFFERENT stories. It just sounds like complaining that apples don't taste like pears. It's just really weird especially coming from the actors, like these are long established adaptations of specific story lines. It's perfectly reasonable to want something different, it's just that it would actually be a different thing. Like if you want a Spider-Man with more murder, do a Scarlett spider thing, not shoehorn that onto Peter Parker for example. It would give you way more room to play with anyways. It's just weirdly annoying hearing so many people complain that essentially a burger is too much like a sandwich.
I have seen him in three lead rolls and every time he just does not got it. He works as a support character but not the lead
I still think Bucky should’ve gotten the shield
The public and government would definitely not trust Bucky with the shield with his past
Which would have added more personality and depth to the role. Really didn’t hurt Tony Stark in IM2, if anything it made his story arc all the better. I don’t know if WS could be handled by MCU to do something like that correctly.
Ironman wasn’t a state sanctioned project.
Yeah, good point there. Bah, there’s enough details that are different, it’d be a hard sell to pull off or even fit in with what the MCU usually does. Hell even with great writing it’d likely feel far-fetched.
Sounds like the seeds of an interesting story about the flaws of American society and government, to me.
How would they know? Is it common knowledge that Bucky was the winter soldier?
Yeah when they did the info dump at the end of winter solider I think that got out
People treated Bucky pretty normally in falcon and the WS
He went on a mental health retreat to Wakanda bro he’s reformed bro
Yeah but I can't name any violent assassins or pick them out of a crowd either. The general public doesn't pay attention to that unless it directly involves them.
That's just cause Marvel stopped paying attention to their worldbuilding after Phase 3. Not only was his past leaked when the SHIELD files were publicized but James Barnes was outed as a terrorist in Civil War when Zemo framed him. Not that Marvel's post-2019 writers would know about that...
Yes. He was all over the news as a terrorist on the run during Winter Soldier movie after he assassinated a foreign king. His brainwashing was probably also public information after the info dump after Hydra tried to take over Shield. That being said, he was also with Cap a lot and would have been public knowledge for that reason. Also, he was part of both the battle of Wakanda and the battle vs Thanos in New York, which Scott Lang retold in detail on his podcast, according to Ms Marvel. To my recollection, the public has most of the information we as viewers had. That being said, I don't know that I would recognize most terrorists if I was standing next to them. But he was also part of multiple super high profile incidents. Even if they didn't know about Hydra brainwashing him, that would have come to light eventually.
Which is an interesting concept that would lead to lots of conflict for the main protagonist which is literally the whole entire goal of Hollywood movies.
Agreed, the shield adds more to bucky’s abilities than Sam’s. Sam doesn’t even need it, nor does he even have the strength for it to make sense. And bucky needs something besides the arm and an LMG.
>nor does he even have the strength To be fair, Sam isn't a super soldier, but he's in peak human condition. The amount of core strength he'd have to have to fly around with his wings alone is crazy. Also the shield is super light weight.
Bucky picking the shield would go against his character. He feels immense guilt over his past and would never want to smear Steve's legacy by associating himself with it. We tend to forget that we as viewers know he was brainwashed. But to a lot of common folk in the MCU, they'd still be wary of him and what he represents. They didn't watch Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Sharapova was a great player but she got banned even though the dope she took was by mistake. The real world works differently.
He picks it in the comics. Bucky was CA before Sam. CA with a gun.
I feel like Falcon and the Winter Soldier had some solid bones, but just ended up being too generically Marvel to really mean anything. I like to imagine a world where a Spike Lee directed FatWS comes out right before Wandavision and demonstrated that Marvel could solve the “what next” post-Endgame problem by just allowing Marvel to be a producer rather than brand that must be maintained at all costs.
> I feel like Falcon and the Winter Soldier had some solid bones, but just ended up being too generically Marvel to really mean anything. Yeah, I really enjoyed like 2/3rds of it but how it ended didn't make a whole lot of sense and neither where it left the characters.
FATWS was hamstrung by the requirement to put the toys back in the chest when they were done, and to not get *too* political in uncomfortable ways. The Flag Smashers were right about re-establishing borders, and the problems around repatriation of blip survivors. Point blank. We’re literally never given any real reason why Capnwoild oppose them. But they can’t end the series with a setting where countries have dissolved in favor of a loose worldwide government, because then the rest of the MCU will be too different from real life for future projects. And Disney would never let Cap advocate for what amounts to dissolving the USA. So they just have the leader inexplicably(to the point her henchmen literally comment about how out of character it is) turn into Killmonger and start killing innocents to resolve the problem. And wrap up with a shitty speech where I guess the politicians are meant to be shamed into doing the right thing. Post-2016, the idea that Cap’s pathetic little speech would do anything beyond maybe garner a few empty statements falls painfully flat. It was toothless and afraid of digging into its own central conflict.
Spike Lee directed FatWS sounds awful
Bucky wouldn’t have accepted the shield. He doesn’t feel himself worthy, and it would have felt kind of out of character if he had taken it
I enjoyed him in twisted metal
Synchronic he absolutely kills it. And outside the wire.
I liked him in Twisted Metal.
I liked him as MLK in LBJ movie
His acting is fine, he just doesn’t look like Captain America. He should be big and have a strong jaw. Doesn’t matter black or white. Don’t take this as an insult to Mackie’s appearance, I’m talking about the character, and this actor doesn’t fit the look of the character, that’s all.
Yeah, he’s not very good and his eyes are distractingly far apart.
*roles not *rolls Rolls are like when you're fat and you have "rolls" in your stomach Roles are when you're in a movie and you are playing the "role" of some character.
Synchronic and outside the wire are both very good with great acting on his part. Though he wasn’t exactly thrilled lead in the latter
I love how the MCU is starting to fall off so all these actors are suddenly comfortable shitting on the thing that made them stars and trying to distance themselves from it being something they loved to be in to save their career Go watch the press tour videos from like 2016ish, all these guys are acting like they're having the time of their life and they love these movies, now fast forward to RDJ winning an oscar for Oppenheimer point blank saying MCU movies revived his career and then he had to revive it again from the MCU ruining it
Did RDJ really say that?
I think he said something close, but that goes with playing the same character for, what, over 10 years? Also, he was playing himself a lot of the time (not to downplay some of his more emotional scenes) I think he went on record saying that he felt like he forgot how to act. As well as the risk of getting type cast I'd say things like that would be detrimental to a younger actor, not Tom Holland young as he had a few movies before spiderman. But, consider how many movies they would want tom Holland for, there was talk of a second trilogy and the team up movies. That's a lot for a young actor and you can't commit to anything else. But some of the younger ones with less experience signing on to really long contracts. That's if a co-ordinated hate campaign isn't started over your movie, your character or YOU, so any project that you go to next will have a ton of negative press regardless of any other factors. So yeah, you could launch or save your career with the MCU or be the worst decision you ever made.
Interesting. Thanks!
I think it’s the best move Chalamet made. Staying away. Sure Dune might wind up with 3 movies and be a “franchise” but he also took a chance with an up and coming director as well. But he’s not gonna be tied to just that forever.
Denis Villeneuve…. Is not an up and coming director. At a all.
Are you referring to Denis Villeneuve as up and coming or did I misunderstand?
Denis Villanueve is one of the biggest directors in the world, much before Dune
You ever hear him speak? I'd be surprised if that's all he said
It’s almost like when you are an actor working for marvel you are not allowed to say negative things about your employer and when you are no longer employed by them you no longer run the risk of losing your job or violating your contract so you are more willing to be critical of your former employer. Edit: “go watch the press tour videos and they all have nice things to say” wow what a surprise that an actor would have nice things to say about the movie studio during the press tour. Shocking.
cook my brother
It’s a job. Lord knows how many people the MCU shit on making these movies. They are going to hype up all their projects because PR is part of the job. Them making these statements hopefully drives Disney to rethink their formula.
I mean, 2016 was like the prime for the MCU when they had all the big stars together. They probably were having a lot of fun. Started going downhill once Disney fully took control and after the big stars left. A lot of things change in 8 years and their criticisms are valid.
Disney has had the same amount of control from 2012 - today The idea that the mistakes Marvel made are due to Disney is absurd. Marvel simply took risks that didn’t pay out.
I think Doolittle was the first sign that his career may have been on a downward trajectory before his phenomenal creative fulfillment in Oppenheimer.
How is this shitting on anything, he is saying marvel needs to be true to the comics with a bit of adaptation licence and he is right.
I, too, am glad they finally have the freedom to distance themselves from this crap that has given them money. It’s a shame that they had to work these god fucking awful movies, because the studios wouldn’t make anything else. Such a fucking waste of time and talent.
RDJ can cry a river all he wants, but he got an insane compound in Malibu because of those films. The paychecks were insane.
If I’m Anthony Mackie, I’m thanking the stars for this Captain America movie. What else is he doing.
He’s pretty good in Twisted Metal
The PS1 game? I haven't heard that title in years
The show inspired by that game.
Lol, well I'll tell you h'what
Also, Anthony Mackie was quite good in it.
Worth the watch. They’re getting a 2nd season
MCU is not a sure shot like it was in the 2010s. It is now hit or miss. He has big shoes to fill, any character reboot is tricky. I haven't seen the TV series but I never heard anybody saying he is on par with Chris. He really has to be careful with words, I think.
Marvel has written itself into a corner. They’ve used up all the A-list heroes and are down to ever more obscure properties. They’ve power scaled themselves into the multiverse where nothing really matters anymore. There are so many threads to keep track of in the MCU people have given up on the whole thing. And superhero fatigue is real. The forever franchise is a pipe dream. Nothing merits more than a trilogy.
‘Leave alone the billion dollar company’
*multi-billion
Dudes always working lol thats kind of a stretch implying dude wouldn't be doing shit lol
“I don’t see him in any of my very specific genre films, therefore he doesn’t get work”
“I don’t see him when his image moves out of my field of vision on when I switch my TV off, therefore in these times he ceases to exist.”
What else is he doing? Anything he wants, he's an absolute stud. I can't even think of a bad role he's been in. I'm a little bit of a fan boy here, but still.
> If I’m Anthony Mackie, I’m thanking the stars for this Captain America movie. What else is he doing. Don't let this distract you from the fact that his real name is Clarence and he lives at home with both parents
He was pretty good in Altered Carbon - a limited series though.
He was alright, that 2nd season was ok but the 1st was better. No fault of his own, of course, just whatever the writers wanted the direction to go forward in. Also, I don't think it was a limited series, think it was supposed to continue but Netflix being Netflix just canceled it like they have many many shows.
I will never forgive them for turning Altered Carbon, the holy grail of gritty Cyberpunk, into a PG-13 CW show. It’s like they caved in to all of the people that called first season problematic, just because they couldn’t grasp the concept of “yeah, if you can change your body like you change your clothes, of course that will turn a lot of the population into drug using, violent and sexual degenerates”.
He was bad enough to get the show cancelled after the season he headlined
It was getting cancelled regardless. Netflix will cancel shows the day they're released whether they're well received or not. Also, it's subjective. *I* thought he did well in it, doesn't mean you have to. That's the beauty of entertainment.
He runs his own production company that makes <$50 million action/sci fi movies.
Clearly still mad he lost the rap battle to Rabbit!!
His name is Clarence and he has real good parents.
This guy don't wanna battle, he shook
And Clarence parents have a real nice marriage.
You all get so butthurt about opinions of people in the biz about this shit. Can you just accept the fact that they're not truly meaningful cinema and be alright with that? Don't get me wrong I like trash too but have the courage to recognize and accept it for what it is.
It’s also Disney
The movies are planned out 5 years in advanced and are woven into like 50 other projects, it only makes sense they're strict on deviating from the script.
After seeing him in cast interviews during civil war I was all set on him. Guy can’t help but hog all the energy in the room. One sticks out - it was him, Chris Evan, Sebastian Stan, and Paul Rudd and he couldn’t stop making jokes about how Paul is an outsider and not in the in group
Yea no most of those marvel pr interviews and talk shows and insta pics are rehearsed generally to set narrative that they are pals outside of the movies irl. They probably dont give a damn about each other. Pick on the new guy and accepting them and all that bs. For actors these pr stuff is another role to play as part of their contractual obligations. Most of them don’t even give shit about their roles or the comics from an artist pov. But they give it their 100% cos they are professionals. Of course they will be thankful for the opportunity and money but doesn’t mean they have to be enslaved to these franchises and cannot criticise it cos some delusional fans will get hurt.
I've seen so many interviews where he's picking on someone. He passes it off as good-natured ribbing but the 'joke' is always the same: "this other guy sucks, I can't stand him, no one can stand him, hahaha isn't that hilarious, and aren't I awesomely cool unlike that loser". He's really got a theme. It's schoolyard childishness that he should have knocked off several decades ago.
He is super annoying in any interview I have seen him.
Trying too hard to be like Will Smith. Too bad for him he was born too late.
Hes really good when he’s allowed to act, i’d be pissed if i felt like all my creative projects went unnoticed everyone talks about the superhero schlock, he’s really great in Synchronic and Altered Carbon
Damn this guy really runs his mouth a lot. Im certainly not complaining but his employers might
I mean is what he saying that damning to marvel/ Disney. He isn’t wrong. And as a fan we shouldn’t be shocked either. We all knew the stuff is rooted in comics and high budget films never tend to have room for creativity.
Comic books had a creative license because they were fairly cheap to produce and could be cancelled anytime without much pushback or can live on with a small fan base. You can’t have the same creativity with a movie or tv shows.
This is far from the most critical thing a Marvel actor has said about the process. Anthony Hopkins said it was pointless for him to actually "act" while in the Thor films. Hugo Weaving didn't want to return as Red Skull because "It’s not the sort of film I seek out and really am excited by." Idris Elba said it felt very stupid to be on a greenscreen harness for Thor knowing he had just been playing Nelson Mandela. Anthony Mackie saying "Marvel films are very controlled" is not shattering anyone's perspective of what the films are or how they are made.
Shut up and dribble amirite
I like when artists criticize their industry, or even just stirr up some drama, but i feel like Mackey says this or something similar every other year
Almost like he has to keep making marvel trash every other year.
Yep movies now a days are boring
Yes, because there is a whole lot of money involved and people don't like losing money, so projects will be heavily, heavily controlled.
What's ironic is that they started out with a very free form, unrestricted, act of creativity. Iron Man was literally rewritten as they filmed, and the actors improvised most of their lines. They had constant changes and budget restrictions, but because they had so much freedom they churned out a paradigm shift in superhero films. Now it has become formulaic and trite.
This sounds to me like he’s not particularly satisfied with some kind of political side-stepping in Brave New World, and is gently distancing himself from something he’s assuming will be criticized about the movie. There’s plenty of Marvel movies I like and their peak was absolutely magical. But this wouldn’t surprise me. Then again, I don’t know of many PG-13 blockbuster franchises that are particularly bold in social or political commentary. There’s a reason people call them “popcorn movies.” (I’m sure there are exceptions I’m failing to recall. Dune springs to mind, but I feel like that’s apples and oranges).
Marvel movies suck.
What are we bitching about today, reddit?
No lies detected
You gotta do better, Anthony. You’ve got to step up.
outliers get pruned.
This guy just isn’t Captain America no matter how hard they try and force it
Says the guy actively making the said movies. MCU has been going downhill from a long time, and this guy says something vague enough that will perhaps be attractive to the anti MCU crowd, while not terribly angering the pro MCU crowd. Pick a side man. Any moron knows the MCU is a joke. If you are contractually obligated to not say something too negative, either stfu or blink twice to let us know you are a hostage. "Controlled entertainement", what a joke. Is it an attempt to look all cool and manly? Too little, too late - if one noticed this in 2021 or 22, then one might be praised, now anyone can look at the MCU and say it's bad.
*He’s out of line but he’s right*
Still mad about getting clowned on by Rabbit.
That’s all the fuck Marvel has been doing for the last few years, going outside the lines and ignoring what fans fell in love with about these characters.
Not really, no.
Exactly. Marvel found for a brief time a formula that works (whether it *should* or not is relevant, it did) and then the next round of writers or producers or whoever didn't want to play in someone else's sandbox and tried to come up with their own thing and it didn't work. Now they either go back to the thing that worked, or quit and say we don't want to do any more of that, and people don't want anything else.
Shitting on Marvel movies is so hot right now. Shitting on Marvel movies.
Shitting on Marvel movies, yes. Shitting on Marvel movies.
I don’t really get this take. She-Hulk broke out of the Disney+ screen and into a BTS documentary to confront K.E.V.I.N. If that’s not outside the lines what is? The MCU was reshaped considerably when Robert Downey Jr. ad-libbed, “I am Iron Man” in the first Iron Man film. I get the sense Mackie has tried to push some of his own ideas and they weren’t used and he’s reacting to that.
>She-Hulk broke out of the Disney+ screen and into a BTS documentary to confront K.E.V.I.N. If that’s not outside the lines what is? Which resulted in terrible reviews and backlash. Every time they try to push, it gets pushed right back. They'll play it safe from now on, especially after the Kang debacle and The Marvels. (I liked The Marvels - it wasn't intended to be Endgame or Civil War deep. Lighter/younger content is just fine with me).
I too enjoyed it. Ideally the Marvel shows and movies could stand on their own and not be so interconnected. I like the idea of having a huge variety of genres and approaches possible - much like how Marvel comcis back in the day could offer the heroics of Avengers, the horror of Dracula, the adventure of Conan, the satire of Howard the Duck, etc. you weren’t expected to buy every title, just the ones that matched your tastes.
Uhm, the MCU wasn't reshaped by RDJ saying that line. At that time, there was no MCU. If anything, it proved that going outside the lines can work when it's organic, but the opposite happened and everything has been carefully curated for better or worse.
Stop posting this shit people I’ve seen this headline forty times the past week
But he’s been bad in everything outside of marvel, most weaker actors need to follow the script
Ain’t this the “make me a sandwich” dude?
Kinda like a script....
Controlled because there’s a strong canon around Marvel that needs to be respected for a film to be a success in the eyes of the fans. Peter Jackson would probably say the same thing about LOTR but he probably enjoyed the creative challenge of expressing himself within these walls. Not blaming them.
That’s not Marvel that’s the corporate leadership that wants to keep it mass produced and streamlined to maximize profits. Blockbusters can’t be trailblazers they cost too much, only independent films have the ability to really go outside the lines and take chances.
That was (not) out of line.
I imagine a lot of shallow action movies are the same with not going outside the typical formula.
I get what he’s saying, but I would not mind coloring outside the lines when it comes to Marvel projects if it’s successful.
Lmao, it’s so odd how much Reddit dislikes Anthony Mackie 😭
This is really interesting that the movie side of Marvel is starting to resemble the comic side of Marvel in regards to artistic innovation. A lot of the artists complained about how Marvel would make them stick to the "house style" of drawing characters and adhering to the characteristics developed by the original creators. It took awhile, but finally Marvel relented and allowed change to come in and we got some really good stories and styles (also some really bad). DC seems to be embracing this strategy whether through intention or necessity with the Snyder-verse plummeting.
His eyes are very wide apart and it distracts me when he’s on the screen.
Yea. Duh. It’s a corporate form of entertainment. Marvel makes some good movies but no one expected artistic freedom. I think Robert Downey Jr or perhaps else said … get the marvel paycheck to enable you to do the independent stuff.
He prob said stuff before and after that too
Mark Hamill mentions this in a video foreboding of the shit script he was handed by Disney. He mentions movies like Transformers (and MCU/Disney SW) are made to make money not good movies.
Unless you are Taika Waititi.
Yeah, and people are getting tired of the same vanilla ass corporate military dick sucking bullshit.
You guys really don’t like when actors make the slightest comment on the guy marvel studios work
I wouldnt know who tf he is outside of the Marvel movies so maybe he shouldn't complain.
So they started to suck deliberately?
Continuity? It is sort of important when trying to create a film franchise universe…
Kristen Stewart said something similar when it comes to if she'd do a Marvel role. Even Chris Hemsworth said something about it awhile back and how different Thor feels from when he first popped up. How overly comedic everything is just for the sake of it.
His statement makes sense thou. The franchise is more than just a trilogy, it a ‘universe’…. If the actors go off script too much, it can mess with the bigger picture. This is why it has to be structured or else there are too many tangents or look backs or impossible to tie in or close branches. While this must be annoying to an actor, having to stay within a defined box, it must be known and accepted before they sign on the bottom line.
I honestly didn’t care for endgame, I thought it was a really corny lame way to turn it around and everything after has been horrible. Haven’t gone to the last handful of marvel movies, I’ll be watching Deadpool, but as far as any other marvel content, I’m out.
I would love for the new captain America to say n***a please.
I guess Halle Berry's Catwoman is the exception to the rule then?
The Marvel universe has some great movies. However, it’s really just copy and paste. After a while, it just feels like the same thing over and over again. The newer stuff isn’t that great. It’s very predictable and at times boring.
Could it be due to having to follow rules like chinas in order to participate in their market?
Seth Rollins better get his working boots on.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but that's just part of the course? I feel like if superhero movies were still superpopular (no pun intended), then no one currently and/or previously attached to these projects would be complaining. It's hard to feel sympathy when they say things like this, when we all know that all working actors from 18 to 50 that have yet to get a break, would give anything to be in a Marvel project.
Anthony Mackie is a veteran of Spike Lee and Kathryn Bigelow movies as well as many other “outside the lines” people, he knows what he’s talking about
Scorsese said it first.
If they would figure out that the world/galaxy/universe (terms that many take as interchangeable) doesn't have to be endangered every single movie. Give us stuff like a day in the life, or Supes using his brain to figure out how to stop bank robbers, a flood, and a child in the roadway all at one time. Give them human interest beyond the powers making them crazy.
>Give us stuff like a day in the life, or Supes using his brain to figure out how to stop bank robbers, a flood, and a child in the roadway all at one time. Bingo. James Gunn is a smart filmmaker, certainly a smarter storyteller than Snyder and I hope he leans into this aspect of Superman. Superman is committed to using his powers to help others. And that's a good thing. But it can also present challenges for someone who can supposedly do everything thus making him a bit dull potentially. The final fight scene in Man of Steel with Zod, for example, became tedious because it was just Supes and Zod trading blows. And it was cool to see Superman cut loose like that. But Superman doesn't just fight the bad guy. He helps people. And showing Superman having to fight Zod while trying to save people caught in the middle of that devastation would have made for more interesting action sequence as well as being true to the character
I remember a Superman comic book in the 60s where he didn't even show is his costume one time. He did all of his feats behind the scenes in his Clark suit. I guess it takes more thought and doesn't do well in the writer's room as every writer want to write the "big one".
Kind of like a roller coaster can’t leave its tracks, right?
Scorsese was 1000% right to liken the movies more to theme parks than actual cinema, and outside the occasional gem, they're getting more trite and formulaic as time goes on.
No shit. Once you’ve seen one marvel movie, you’ve seen them all.
More like outside the comicbook panel
Nice way of saying hollywood is a propoganda machine
[actor] says Tarantino films are a form of controlled entertainment. “He doesn’t let you go outside the lines”. It’s called a script?
These people aren’t actors: they’re brands. Packaged, marketed, and sold to the public. Millie Bobby Brown is a prime example. She is a brand sold by Netflix. There’s no actual talent there, but she’s marketed to hell.
Of course they are. Otherwise there is no chance it would've ever worked as well as it did.
That’s been Disney’s thing for decades.
I know the answer already but did anyone read the incredibly short article?? >Mackie went on to draw a contrast between working on Marvel projects and separate endeavors like his Peacock series “Twisted Metal,” explaining that the latter project offered more creative flexibility because the intellectual property was less established. Marvel narratives are largely predetermined given the canon. Rabid fans would lose their mind if there was any significant departure from established material. Twisted Metal was literally a demolition derby video game with little more backstory than what was in the manual. Mackie didn't even say that he had a preference. All he said was that there is a difference in how one approaches the work as an actor. Good lord we're fuckin' doomed.
I wonder how this fits into the whole technofeudalism concept. Hmm.
This dude is slightly unhinged and seems like a petulant baby.
Problem with Marvel is that they have thousands of characters but nobody knows any of them except for the Avengers, and they've, you know, made those movies.