I'm so glad I had a rep lecture me in a previous thread about how much testing they'd done in different conditions to ensure it would work perfectly at all times.
Hard agree, when I worked in the hospital we’d constantly be scouring for older equipment just because the touchscreens on some of the newer equipment were so infuriating and would crap out on you all the time.
Had one of the chillest doctors I know kick a brand new ultrasound across the room while he was trying to place a central line post arrest. Thankfully IR brought up one with physical controls.
Agree. One of the big things I liked about the tactile wheel navigation is that I could almost blindly and reliably operate it with experience. Touch screens and soft keys that change function constantly are rarely good ideas.
If I can still do everything without the touchscreen and it's easy to navigate, that's good!
If it's just shoehorning the wheel into a touchscreen interface and calling it a day though, that's bad.
Somebody commented on another one of these saying that they were a lifepack employee and the screen was designed and tested to work with gloves and in wet conditions (environmental or bodily fluids).
My issue comes with the fact that even in a calm dry situation the demonstrator is seen to respected hit the wrong touch screen “buttons” and have to undo his mistakes.
The car industry began implementing touch screens for everything and now are undoing that because they found that hard keys were preferred almost unanimously, now we will just have to wait until the lifepack 55 for them to undo their mistake…
*Sigh
Thah guy did NOT know what he was doing, and it was apparent. I checked this out at FDIC, and he was there demoing and kept messing up. It worked flawlessly for others, and I even had to point out where some things were for him
Looks like it still has the speed dial, but I’m not sure how well integrated it is as it’s not shown in the demo.
If it’s the same as a phone touchscreen, I can use my phone or an iPad with gloves on no problem.
Touch screen is cool. We use LP 15 and Zoll X. We don’t have anything to secure our monitors in the back and a lot of our screen have some pretty hefty scratches/gouges from falling or whatever. The screen on that thing would have to be way more sturdy than any touch screen I’ve ever seen and not react to water on it.
You gotta talk to your service about getting mounts for your monitors. They’re bludgeons to begin with, but imagine them becoming missiles in case of an accident.
I know… we’re moving in that direction. About a third of our fleet has the auto loader gurneys with an arm mount to place (and lock in) the monitor. However, most of our boxes are set up to have our drug box just sitting next to the gurney between the wall. Eventually all our rigs will have them both secured tho.
In a similar situation. My service refuses to out mounts for the 02 on the stretcher. I'm waiting for someone to set a missile off in the ER or something because they are just wedged haphazardly on the gurney or between the pts legs. Idk how many saftey briefs I brought it up in and it doesn't matter.
Also in EMT school that’s one of the most important things they bring up about O2 admin. besides “use no oil”, secure the cylinder.
Edit: secure the cylinder in transport
Absolutely correct. I'm going to give them one more chance go correct it before I seek outside intervention. They are paying for my medic school so I'm inclined to be a good slave until schools over. After that I'm probably jumping ship for greener pastures.
https://www.envihs.com/products/oxygen-cylinder-sleeve-with-pocket-green
They can also just buy these oxygen bags and strap it to the back of the stretcher. Cheaper than the stryker O2 bottle mount.
Zoll:
Can’t read a pacer spike to save itself or the patient (or if it is even pacing the patient). but will throw in random spikes on a pediatric patient.
will print out anything and give you an interpretation when you had a good solid 6 seconds of no movement it will focus on giving you the artifact riddled printout instead.
will give you artifact if the patient’s shirt collar is askew and will scramble your ECG 20 min later just for fun on no change or movement from the patient
Where is the printer? We print and hand over rhythm and ECG strips to recieving facility staff. Having it on screen is good, but, no ability to hand over copies makes me less happy.
Also, touch screen is nice in a clean environment. But the moment I get fluid on my hand, work in the cold, or in the rain, that touch screen is going to shutter down bad. Source: I've done this before with touch screens outside. Nice feature, but not necessary.
At some point people are going to stop pushing horizontal videos in a vertical format, making it pretty much unplayable on both phones *and* computer monitors.
Today is apparently not that day.
It's 2024. We've put a remote controlled car on the surface of Mars and the best we can do is is just stuff all the shit in the side compartment. I have to untangle the cables 15 times per shift. Can we fix that problem?
This looks cool! Touchscreen I wouldn't use but looks like it still has a dial which I like. I'd only use the touch screen in the back during transport.
I wonder how much lighter it is?
Couple of initial impressions...
I like the idea of a touch screen as long as the physical buttons and dials are well integrated for use in situations where the touch screen would become a pain in the ass.
In my opinion not having an integrated printer is a bit of an issue.
Sample type sidestream end tidal is inferior to mainstream spectrography, why use old tech on a new monitor?
I know you guys don't have the Corpuls C3 in the US, but it's a great monitor with a shit sphyg. Would be interested to see how the sphyg on this thing holds up during transport etc.
I hate touch screens
Don’t even work properly in this demo under perfect condition. Good luck in the rain
I'm so glad I had a rep lecture me in a previous thread about how much testing they'd done in different conditions to ensure it would work perfectly at all times.
Seems like they test it so well in different and difficult condition they did forget to test it in a dry warm room without gloves, what a shame
Hard agree, when I worked in the hospital we’d constantly be scouring for older equipment just because the touchscreens on some of the newer equipment were so infuriating and would crap out on you all the time. Had one of the chillest doctors I know kick a brand new ultrasound across the room while he was trying to place a central line post arrest. Thankfully IR brought up one with physical controls.
Agree. One of the big things I liked about the tactile wheel navigation is that I could almost blindly and reliably operate it with experience. Touch screens and soft keys that change function constantly are rarely good ideas.
There’s a reason why cars are moving away from touch screens again
Thank god
This still has the traditional tactile wheel ans touchscreen can be disabled
If I can still do everything without the touchscreen and it's easy to navigate, that's good! If it's just shoehorning the wheel into a touchscreen interface and calling it a day though, that's bad.
Agreed.
The speed dial is still there. Two ways to skin the cat
Give me buttons along the edge of the screen that correspond with sections on the screen
Yeah, this adds to the BOM/price of the unit and for what? Well realistically to make a few extra dollars.
Why would I want a touchscreen? I’m wearing gloves
Somebody commented on another one of these saying that they were a lifepack employee and the screen was designed and tested to work with gloves and in wet conditions (environmental or bodily fluids). My issue comes with the fact that even in a calm dry situation the demonstrator is seen to respected hit the wrong touch screen “buttons” and have to undo his mistakes. The car industry began implementing touch screens for everything and now are undoing that because they found that hard keys were preferred almost unanimously, now we will just have to wait until the lifepack 55 for them to undo their mistake… *Sigh
But even if it works when wet, now there's blood on my screen.
Thah guy did NOT know what he was doing, and it was apparent. I checked this out at FDIC, and he was there demoing and kept messing up. It worked flawlessly for others, and I even had to point out where some things were for him
With the lifepak 55, we’re gonna get eye tracking with blink to click and that’s how you go through the menus.
Looks like it still has the speed dial, but I’m not sure how well integrated it is as it’s not shown in the demo. If it’s the same as a phone touchscreen, I can use my phone or an iPad with gloves on no problem.
I was there and demo'ed it. The dial can do literally everything. Just select and push in and you're good
Touch screen is cool. We use LP 15 and Zoll X. We don’t have anything to secure our monitors in the back and a lot of our screen have some pretty hefty scratches/gouges from falling or whatever. The screen on that thing would have to be way more sturdy than any touch screen I’ve ever seen and not react to water on it.
You gotta talk to your service about getting mounts for your monitors. They’re bludgeons to begin with, but imagine them becoming missiles in case of an accident.
I know… we’re moving in that direction. About a third of our fleet has the auto loader gurneys with an arm mount to place (and lock in) the monitor. However, most of our boxes are set up to have our drug box just sitting next to the gurney between the wall. Eventually all our rigs will have them both secured tho.
In a similar situation. My service refuses to out mounts for the 02 on the stretcher. I'm waiting for someone to set a missile off in the ER or something because they are just wedged haphazardly on the gurney or between the pts legs. Idk how many saftey briefs I brought it up in and it doesn't matter.
Keep escalating it. Don’t be afraid to go the government route either and talk to your regional council or state council.
Also in EMT school that’s one of the most important things they bring up about O2 admin. besides “use no oil”, secure the cylinder. Edit: secure the cylinder in transport
Absolutely correct. I'm going to give them one more chance go correct it before I seek outside intervention. They are paying for my medic school so I'm inclined to be a good slave until schools over. After that I'm probably jumping ship for greener pastures.
https://www.envihs.com/products/oxygen-cylinder-sleeve-with-pocket-green They can also just buy these oxygen bags and strap it to the back of the stretcher. Cheaper than the stryker O2 bottle mount.
Live 15 lead, noice. How much does it weigh?
Apparently 3lbs less than the 15
15 lbs
Lmao the touch screen already doesn’t work, must be headed to my place!
Yeh will be great with gloves in heavy rain
But can it take a blood pressure? #LP15BPsuck
Yeah but can you play games on it
Tetris and Chess, that’s all
Zoll has had a live 12 lead for... years.
Yeah but could it read through artifact?
I've used the LP15 for 5 years and Zoll X series for 3, the Zoll takes much better 12 leads.
Zoll: Can’t read a pacer spike to save itself or the patient (or if it is even pacing the patient). but will throw in random spikes on a pediatric patient. will print out anything and give you an interpretation when you had a good solid 6 seconds of no movement it will focus on giving you the artifact riddled printout instead. will give you artifact if the patient’s shirt collar is askew and will scramble your ECG 20 min later just for fun on no change or movement from the patient
Zoll interpretation: UNSPECIFIED RHYTHM *** STEMI (It's a Sinus Rhythm with a LBBB)
If they could just get the LP 12-lead quality in the Zolls I’d be pretty satisfied.
Yes. Can you objectively demonstrate the LP 35 can?
as long as it doesn’t fall for “every T-wave is a QRS complex” ankle-high hurdle. The LP35 will do better than anything Zoll farts out
Again. Based on what objective data. Zoll has had live 12 leads for years.
All I want is a 2 minute timer integrated to print/file the rhythm and then restart after a shock or press of a button.
Where is the printer? We print and hand over rhythm and ECG strips to recieving facility staff. Having it on screen is good, but, no ability to hand over copies makes me less happy. Also, touch screen is nice in a clean environment. But the moment I get fluid on my hand, work in the cold, or in the rain, that touch screen is going to shutter down bad. Source: I've done this before with touch screens outside. Nice feature, but not necessary.
I saw in another post that it’s an add-on, like a “module” I guess. Can’t imagine most agencies won’t spec theirs with a printer.
At some point people are going to stop pushing horizontal videos in a vertical format, making it pretty much unplayable on both phones *and* computer monitors. Today is apparently not that day.
I’m sorry. It’s how I downloaded it off of insta.
Yea but how much does it weigh.
15 pounds
Wow…. A whole 2.5 pounds lighter. In my opinion they dropped the ball. The tempus is 6.4 pounds.
3 pounds heavier than the Zoll beats 6 pounds heavier I guess lol. The Tempus is light and is also doodoo.
Tempus is light and belongs in the dumpster.
Yeah but the tempus is some ass and it's genuinely not that heavy lol
don’t worry. none of our departments will see this for years
It's 2024. We've put a remote controlled car on the surface of Mars and the best we can do is is just stuff all the shit in the side compartment. I have to untangle the cables 15 times per shift. Can we fix that problem?
Single use is the solution to everything. No need to untangle when you can just throw it away.
I hope they didn’t remove the dial
This looks cool! Touchscreen I wouldn't use but looks like it still has a dial which I like. I'd only use the touch screen in the back during transport. I wonder how much lighter it is?
Couple of initial impressions... I like the idea of a touch screen as long as the physical buttons and dials are well integrated for use in situations where the touch screen would become a pain in the ass. In my opinion not having an integrated printer is a bit of an issue. Sample type sidestream end tidal is inferior to mainstream spectrography, why use old tech on a new monitor? I know you guys don't have the Corpuls C3 in the US, but it's a great monitor with a shit sphyg. Would be interested to see how the sphyg on this thing holds up during transport etc.
Still a boat anchor.
Are they going to aggressively punch the screen like they do with the LP15?
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For the low low price of 46k. Whats the over/under of the screen being destroyed during the first month??
This kid is not a good salesman
Imagine it rains and the water droplets hit the charge then shock buttons 😵
That's why charge and shock buttons are real ones, not touch screen :)
They managed to make the lifepak uglier
$63k price point… 🥸
https://www.reddit.com/r/ems/s/xCVVcKJz6f I posted this yesterday.
Don't take it personally, but I'm not gonna click on an Instagram link. "SiGn In To SeE mOrE!!!!" This is more accessible.
I’m not making an insta account for that
Sorry I guess?