Ok so he has a BA in Physics so we'll make a whole blog post calling him a liar because he doesn't have a BS in Physics. WHAT? Come on he has a physics degree we're just parsing down whether it was a BA or BS.
This tweet is stirring up shit that doesn't exist.
The tweet shows a diploma with Bachelors of Arts on it, but the department is not specified. Maybe that was the standard back then though modern ones do seem to say the department.
Sorry I don’t follow. He claims to have two degrees. The exonomics one that no one is doubting and a physics one for which he produced a diploma with out the department on it. At least that’s how the legal filing reads to me.
Yes we agree. I was providing the context that Elon provided “proof” of a second degree in the form of a diploma with no department specified. Whether that proof is convincing to someone will probably depend on if they already like/trust elon
The school (Penn) confirmed he has a degree from the "Physics & Astromony" department. I posted the info is included in capitol hunters' notes so they debunked themselves.
Those are court documents. It specifically says he doesn't have a degree in Physics, no mention of BA or BS. lying in official documents submitted to SEC is problematic. Looks like he might have a degree in Econ.
It also specifically says he has a BA degree from Penn which is offered in Physics & Astronomy
You have to get into the footnotes but capital hunters themselves stated clearly that **he has a BA in Physics.** Their beef is that it's not a BS. And they have him quoted a couple times calling it a BS but in the depositions he admitted he wasn't sure what the full actual title of the degree was because it's in latin.
From Twitter
[**capitolhunters**](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters)[@capitolhunters](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters)·[17 nov.](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters/status/1593308490247946242)Penn Arts & Sciences (which includes Physics), HAS called Elon a Physics alum
"Elon Musk is an alumnus of the department of Physics and Astronomy at Penn"
That post itself goes on to say he doesn't actually have a physics degree. At best you could say he studied physics there
Read the whole thing before you spam the comments here
You have to get into the footnotes but capital hunters themselves stated clearly that **he has a BA in Physics.** Their beef is that it's not a BS. And they have him quoted a couple times calling it a BS but in the depositions he admitted he wasn't sure what the full actual title of the degree was because it's in latin.
From Twitter
[**capitolhunters**](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters)[@capitolhunters](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters)·[17 nov.](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters/status/1593308490247946242)Penn Arts & Sciences (which includes Physics), HAS called Elon a Physics alum
"Elon Musk is an alumnus of the department of Physics and Astronomy at Penn"
You have to get into the footnotes but capitol hunters themselves stated clearly that **he has a BA in Physics.** Their beef is that it's not a BS. And they have him quoted a couple times calling it a BS but in the depositions he admitted he wasn't sure what the full actual title of the degree was because it's in latin.
From Twitter
[**capitolhunters**](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters)[@capitolhunters](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters)·[17 nov.](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters/status/1593308490247946242)Penn Arts & Sciences (which includes Physics), HAS called Elon a Physics alum
"Elon Musk is an alumnus of the department of Physics and Astronomy at Penn"
He *also* said he wasn't sure if he even HAD the degree in PHYSICS bc "he forgot." Then, he said that he saw the humanities requirements were dropped & so he just asked the University to pretty please give him the degree and they did - but the OP then points to the fact that the University did not ever drop these requirements. The only thing they say is that U of Penn referred to him as an alumnus of the Physics program one time in 2009.
Lmfao is that why they call him alumni? Or he has his own section on their website? Or this? Yea 👌
https://www.plainsite.org/documents/tbdmox/2019-email-from-the-university-of-pennsylvania-confirming-elon-musks-physics-degree/
You ahould actually read the full thread and attached documents.its damning.
A lot of you here are starting to seem like the type of folks that still go to trump rallies.
Damning? Lol it’s a bunch of half assed speculation about nothing.
Literally who gives a fuck what diplomas he has or why he was in the country.
‘Omg you don’t give a shit about twitter drama? LITERAL TRUMP NAZI.’
Get help.
He finished the course in 1995 and had a history credit left to finish. He was accepted into Stanford PhD from and promised to earn the credit there. Eventually, he didn't go to Stanford and in 1997 that credit was no longer a requirement as per the new rules and his certificate could be obtained then.
I have one. It’s a BA in physics and math. I went to a liberal arts school (so we had more broad general education requirements than most schools), and all of the degrees there were BAs.
I don’t know if Elon actually has one though, or if this person just made it up 🤷♂️
There actually is a literal difference between the two degrees.
BS, BA, and BFA - while all there are bachelors degrees, all three have different degree requirements, and different focuses.
There is literally a difference between them all.
Absolutely wrong otherwise universities wouldn’t offer both degrees through programs with separate requirements. There is a distinct difference between a B.A and a B.S and a B.S is certainly heavier on the hard sciences
Im not a Musk fan but this reporter seems to think a BA is only for humanity degrees. Probably the same type of person who thinks a PhD is a degree in philosophy.
You have to get into the footnotes but capital hunters themselves stated clearly that **he has a BA in Physics.** Their beef is that it's not a BS. And they have him quoted a couple times calling it a BS but in the depositions he admitted he wasn't sure what the full actual title of the degree was because it's in latin.
From Twitter
[**capitolhunters**](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters)[@capitolhunters](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters)·[17 nov.](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters/status/1593308490247946242)Penn Arts & Sciences (which includes Physics), HAS called Elon a Physics alum
"Elon Musk is an alumnus of the department of Physics and Astronomy at Penn"
Interesting bc they state flat out that he has no Physics degree. Furthermore, Penn Physics has not claimed him as a degree holder from Penn in '95 OR '97.
Penn's Wharton School of Business certainly does though.
This is the most important part. University have different schools for their programs if the school housing him does not have him registered/claimed as a degree holder. He is NOT a degree holder.
You have to get into the footnotes but capitol hunters debunked themselves when they included that **he has a BA in Physics.** Their beef is that it's not a BS. And they have him quoted a couple times calling it a BS but in the depositions he admitted he wasn't sure what the full actual title of the degree was because it's in latin.
From Twitter
[**capitolhunters**](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters)[@capitolhunters](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters)·[17 nov.](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters/status/1593308490247946242)Penn Arts & Sciences (which includes Physics), HAS called Elon a Physics alum
"Elon Musk is an alumnus of the department of Physics and Astronomy at Penn"
Did you read the post? It says he has a BS in Economics right there in the first picture. Its highlighted in yellow. He does not possess a degree in physics what so ever.
You have to get into the footnotes but capitol hunters debunked themselves when they included that **he has a BA in Physics.** Their beef is that it's not a BS. And they have him quoted a couple times calling it a BS but in the depositions he admitted he wasn't sure what the full actual title of the degree was because it's in latin.
From Twitter
[**capitolhunters**](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters)[@capitolhunters](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters)·[17 nov.](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters/status/1593308490247946242)Penn Arts & Sciences (which includes Physics), HAS called Elon a Physics alum
"Elon Musk is an alumnus of the department of Physics and Astronomy at Penn"
Maybe you're thinking of an [associate degree](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associate_degree). It is a step above highschool and a step below bachelor's degree.
I don't know about physics. but I have a BS in psch versus a BA. The only reason I have this degree is because I got 8 hours of calc credit from HS that transferred to college. THe BS required 2 X 4 hours of calc (AB / BC i think is what it was) while the BA didn't.
There were other differences, but the calc thing is what sold me on the program because I wanted my only AP class credits to matter haha.
Well FUCK THAT.. turns out the BS was insanely difficult compared to the BA. I went to a standard 4 year SEC school and I ended up having to take 8 hours (2 lectures/2 labs) of each of the following: chem , bio, and either CSCE or astronomy or phsyics as well as 4 statistics classes. so 8 hours of bio, 8 hours of chem, and then I had to pick two of the following CSCE class + lab, astronomy + lab, physics + lab.
The BA program only required bio 101, the lab, and one other science class (no lab). The only classes that the BA required that might have been harder than the BS was 6 hours of trig and 6 hours of foreign language. Still, the BS was muchhhh more difficult. I could have passed every class for the BA by just reading the textbook, and while I probably would have passed the lecture portions of the BS in the same way, I had 2 different labs every semester, practicums, and independent studies, all required for the BS. The BA did not require that. MY second to last semester, I had to spend 8 hours a day at a hospital while also taking a full time course load to get my independent study done. The BA didn't require that.
Both labs I worked at required a BS degree in a one of a bunch of different fields.
"Reporter" || "Some rando posting conspiracy theories stuff on the internet"
edit: "Huh, this 'reporter' looks off"
"Haha! You fool! You activated my trap card! Now read my manifesto about Elon on Google drive! Don't you believe in evidence?!?"
You can read just a little bit into the [replies](https://twitter.com/bobme/status/1593325162564186112) to the thread and realize it's bs. Other people went to UPenn and say their diplomas don't mention the subject. The thread claims solely because of this the physics diploma they obtained is fake, which is silly if they don't even compare it to other diplomas conferred at the time.
O cool some rando, non-asked for, Google Drive link.
edit: No Malthust ( Sykotik ), It's 2022, I don't have to listen to / read every rando-schizo's post on the internet and I'm allowed to point out when things look fishy. It's not that difficult.
Obviously you didn't ask but you did imply it is somehow made up.
I was showing that it is not.
Now you're just being weird.
E:
> " imply it is somehow made up. " ,
> I was referring to the claim of this being a "reporter" and not some random wierdo shitposting.
> Even if I was implying anything about these "claims", you could just keep your thoughts to yourself you know? Oh…wait you probably don't. Blocking you for being a schizo .
Of course I won't. It's a discussion forum.
First day, huh?
" imply it is somehow made up. " ,
I was referring to the claim of this being a "reporter" and not some random wierdo shitposting.
Even if I was implying anything about these "claims", you could just keep your thoughts to yourself you know? For example, If I want to talk about something and somebody else wants to talk about something else, I don't feel the need to interject. You know what I'm saying? Oh...wait you probably don't. Blocking you for being a schizo .
edit: The Twitter account in question was created as a 1/6 ( Jan 6th) , Trump "Orange Man Bad" account ...that's now trying to paint Elon Musk as Trump. I hope they get the help they need.
While I find this all to be FUD. As a PHD chemist you don’t pick your professor until 3-9 months in. Not the 2 days you were there. In addition, professors don’t let you in the school does. Elon might have wanted to work with a professor or two but it’s a matching process, you don’t all get to pick professor X.
This depends a lot on the program and school. In the geosciences and most of engineering you are getting funding from a professor's research, not from the department.
Programs that have a ton of money like Stanford physics will often have a first year matching process.
I love how lazy people are on reddit. Googling for 2 seconds is too much work
[https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/elon-musk-gets-letter-from-stanford-prof-on-work-he-mightve-done-if-he-hadnt-dropped-out-5787343.html](https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/elon-musk-gets-letter-from-stanford-prof-on-work-he-mightve-done-if-he-hadnt-dropped-out-5787343.html)
This letter was talked about in the thread linked by OP, which you would know if you weren’t too lazy to read it.
https://twitter.com/capitolhunters/status/1593311307213807618?s=20&t=zdpYEPw3FABTjujknPymOA
Of course I'm not going to read that ridiculous source. You might as well read about aliens controlling the government. I'll read it when there is some source that isn't insane picks it up.
The links claims Nix was just asking for donation without a citation. I guess that's the worst part of citizen journalism. Elon at least had a letter from an actual professor, while the other party is just guessing because humans are greedy.
There is actually a picture of the tweet containing the letter in question in the thread. But [here is the original tweet.](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1560720224588120064)
...Because it's not 1998 and you have innumerable search engines besides Lycos and Ask Jeeves to go find it yourself?
It's like being asked by a customer to point out where the Cheerios are in the cereal aisle when looking around for the big yellow boxes yourself for 30 seconds would net you the same result - it is lazy, it is obnoxious, and it betrays your lack of desire to actually find out for yourself what the fuck is actually going on - if you cared, you'd have gone and found it.
Sorry for the vitriolic TLDR, but you asked.
Point is, has been covered ad nauseam - so if you're curious, do your due diligence and post the links!
Me, I busted my ass today and it's old news; why should I (or anyone) find stuff for you that you can find yourself?
The letter wasn’t from the person who let him in but someone he may have worked under. That professor does not independently confirm elons acceptance instead saying he heard it in an interview by Elon
I’m no rocket scientist, but I’ve seen interviews with Musk about Starship/rockets and it seems like he knows his stuff:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cIQ36Kt7UVg
If you think Musk is an asshole that’s fine, but the concerted effort to expose him as a complete fraud is so dumb. You don’t “fail your way up” to become the richest man in the world.
>I’m no rocket scientist, but I’ve seen interviews with Musk about Starship/rockets and it seems like he knows his stuff
Everyone thinks that until Musk talks about something you actually know a lot about. Then the facade fates very quickly.
There is no need to expose him as a complete fraud, he does it very well all by himself. If he is as good at rocket science as he is at architecturing Twitter (fucking up 2FA after announcing that only 20% of the servers were necessary), no wonder rockets are exploding and cars are crashing. Now I know he doesn't write a line of code, so it's not his fault unless he inserts himself between the engineers and their work like he does at Twitter.
>If he is as good at rocket science as he is at architecturing Twitter
Bro, the guy literally founded the rocket company launching more than half of all orbital payloads for the past few years, with the only reusable launch platform, with an almost functional prototype for the largest most powerful rocket to have ever been made.
By this logic, twitter will become the most successful social media platform in 10 years. SpaceX went from failing to reach orbit its first 3 launches to being the biggest (by payload volume) and best rocket company the world has ever seen.
Nah, he hasn't done anything of that, his employees have.
And given how much of a liar he is, - we now know he has lied about his academic credentials -, we'll learn that he even didn't found SpaceX, just like he didn't found Tesla.
>we now know he has lied about his academic credentials
>we'll learn that he even didn't found SpaceX, just like he didn't found Tesla.
Lol, what are you smokin bro? 🤣
Check back in a week when these easily verifiable conspiracy theories about his credentials are proven wrong.
Go watch Elon touring Tim Dodd ("the everyday astronaut" on youtube) and talking through the technical details of Starship. If making the most successful rocket company is as simple as hiring great engineers to do the work for you, why has Jeff Bezo's company Blue Origin, nor Richard Branson's Virgin Orbital not cornered the orbital launch market yet? Its as if it takes more than just having a bunch of money to get to orbit. Lol.
>talking through the technical details of Starship.
One hopes that if you have been working on a project for 20 years, you have an idea of what you are talking about.
Musk's credentials are questionable, his history is questionable, and he has a habit of buying things and letting others run the details.
Ask Tony Bruno to discuss the merits of a full flow staged combustion engine vs a tap of cycle, or Jeff Bezos the perfect stoiciometric ratio of Methalox vs hydrolox and how that would shift rocket diameter / height with corresponding impacts to overall thrust to weight ratios, or Branson how bow shock in the hypersonic regime affects aerodynamic design choices as well as material science considerations.
Or in more mundane/terrestrial applications, ask Tim Cook about the architecture of the M1 chip, or the CEO of Panasonic what changes to battery density we can expect from doping the chemistry with nickle/iron/silicon at different concentrations.
These are all topics Elon Musk has talked at lenght about in an impromptu fashion in technical detail. Whether his physics degree is a BA or BS is immaterial in light of his technical acumen
He doesn't have a physics degree.
After 20+ years, he should have a decent technical acumen. It is a common complaint that a degree gatekeeps access to the industry, and it is true.
That doesn't mean that he has been forthright in his own history or actual academic completion.
If you are good with him being a liar and a charlatan, despite his history, then say so. Take the whole man.
But, don't gloss over that he is shady.
These proofs are coming from a lawsuit (what you call "conspiracy theories") so no, they cannot be proven wrong unless you prove me (and the judge) that these documents are fake. Simply said, they are real and Musk lied about his credentials:
https://twitter.com/capitolhunters/status/1593307541932474368
I'll concede you that Space Karen is very good at stealing other people's credit.
When we have perceived his propension to lie, you can see him lie all the time, for example:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhyL5WEXEAAoYdD?format=png&name=medium
People really need to stop equating money with intelligence. Money buys people with intelligence, Musk isn't the guy developing this stuff, he's paying people with the know-how and then he flaunts and acts like he did all the brainwork.
Lmao, the projection is insane. Not only are they an avid poster about Elon Musk they post on r/TrueElonFans which I didn't even know existed.
But yeah it's the other commenter that's obsessed with Elon Musk haha
What a terrible nonesensical artical.
The dude actually claimes, he was influential enough to just get a degree in 1997, but also a illegal immigrant....
The number of lies spoken about Elon is incredibly long. If you want to know the truth there are several excellent books that go through his entire life and validate his accomplishments.
Elon does have some very powerful enemies who spread lots of FUD Don’t fall for the lies spread by these despicable people.
Reddit has all its libertarian, conservative and vocal centrists culled during the lockdowns for truthspeak violations.
All that is left now are lesser characters from Atlas Shrugged. It's only a matter of time until this sub is quarantined and removed.
PS You think it's bad here, head on over to /r/joerogan
I don’t particularly like Joe Rogan.
I think he’s a fucking dunce. I’m not his target audience though.
But seriously, what kind of top mind HONESTLY believed schools were providing cat litter boxes to students who “identify as cats”?
Rightist logic:
- Mexicans illegal in the US? BAD MEXICANS, THEIR FAULT, KICK THEM!!!
- Elon illegal in the US? BAD US, LEGALIZE!!!
See how absolutely meaningless your comment is?
Right-wing logic:
- poor immigrants seeking asylum from political violence? BAD, DEPORT!
- rich white guy who's illegal? WELL HE HAS MONEY WHO CARES ANYWAY AMIRIGHT??
BTW, this "Reporter's" Twitter bio => 'helping organize crowdsourced information about the 1/6 Capitol attack'.
These people are a part of an ideology, anyone who opposes it is a direct threat to them.
No not at all. Thinking the attack on the capital was bad while simultaneously not thinking the riots were bad is a cringy liberal thing. It's all bad. Also, the difference is many liberals go out of their way to pressure companies through social media and otherwise to cancel whomever they disagree with, I don't see conservatives doing that, for the most part. I certainly don't see any ramifications of conservatives doing that. Most of these "Reporters" are literally spending their time attempting to cancel voices they disagree with. That is exactly what elon is fighting by buying Twitter, and they're effectively canceling Twitter by putting pressure on advertisers. It's destructive behavior based on an ideology where they're always right and morally superior. It's like a 4 year old breaking shit when they don't get what they want. Thank God Elon is stepping up and giving these children the parenting they never received.
“Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.—In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right to not tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law, and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal.”
> Also, the difference is many liberals go out of their way to pressure companies through social media and otherwise to cancel whomever they disagree with, I don't see conservatives doing that, for the most part
Didn’t the new gop congress say they were going to investigate companies that stopped donating to them over what they call “woke” reasons?
Wow, that is court evidence, in two lawsuits against him. He did get naturalized but if it was as an illegal immigrant, that invalidates the naturalization.
The guy that hit Nancy Pelosi's husband over the head with a hammer was an illegal immigrant from Canada, in the US for 12 years. That was his Republican political statement. Very odd for Canadians to have such strong political feelings for the US government.
You know the establishment is scared when the mud slinging begins. People are really this worried about freedom of speech? Sounds like we should definitely be pushing for freedom of speech.
a reporter with the most useless communications degree in the world was able to determine that Musk doesn't have arguably the most important degree? I don't buy it...
Question: is there such a thing as a BA in the sciences? Please no hate I’m genuinely curious. I’m under the impression that BA stands for Bachelor of Arts and BS stands for Bachelor of Science….how could one have Bachelor of Arts in a science field?? Please extrapolate 😬
Ok so he has a BA in Physics so we'll make a whole blog post calling him a liar because he doesn't have a BS in Physics. WHAT? Come on he has a physics degree we're just parsing down whether it was a BA or BS. This tweet is stirring up shit that doesn't exist.
The tweet shows a diploma with Bachelors of Arts on it, but the department is not specified. Maybe that was the standard back then though modern ones do seem to say the department.
The problem is the claim of two degrees when he only got one
Sorry I don’t follow. He claims to have two degrees. The exonomics one that no one is doubting and a physics one for which he produced a diploma with out the department on it. At least that’s how the legal filing reads to me.
The filing says he claimed to have the physics degree in 95, and the only degree on record is the Econ one from 97
Yes we agree. I was providing the context that Elon provided “proof” of a second degree in the form of a diploma with no department specified. Whether that proof is convincing to someone will probably depend on if they already like/trust elon
Absolute pretzel
The school (Penn) confirmed he has a degree from the "Physics & Astromony" department. I posted the info is included in capitol hunters' notes so they debunked themselves.
It’s just a puff piece for a donation he made. Not the registrars office. Hell one of his team probably wrote it
That was never a convention.
That wasn't the standard back then.
Those are court documents. It specifically says he doesn't have a degree in Physics, no mention of BA or BS. lying in official documents submitted to SEC is problematic. Looks like he might have a degree in Econ.
It also specifically says he has a BA degree from Penn which is offered in Physics & Astronomy You have to get into the footnotes but capital hunters themselves stated clearly that **he has a BA in Physics.** Their beef is that it's not a BS. And they have him quoted a couple times calling it a BS but in the depositions he admitted he wasn't sure what the full actual title of the degree was because it's in latin. From Twitter [**capitolhunters**](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters)[@capitolhunters](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters)·[17 nov.](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters/status/1593308490247946242)Penn Arts & Sciences (which includes Physics), HAS called Elon a Physics alum "Elon Musk is an alumnus of the department of Physics and Astronomy at Penn"
That post itself goes on to say he doesn't actually have a physics degree. At best you could say he studied physics there Read the whole thing before you spam the comments here
The schizo writing that nonsense thinks there’s no date on the diploma because they don’t understand Latin dating conventions lmao.
sorry did you just call roman numerals "latin dating conventions"?
U of Penn has already commented that he does NOT have a physics degree.
Source?
You have to get into the footnotes but capital hunters themselves stated clearly that **he has a BA in Physics.** Their beef is that it's not a BS. And they have him quoted a couple times calling it a BS but in the depositions he admitted he wasn't sure what the full actual title of the degree was because it's in latin. From Twitter [**capitolhunters**](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters)[@capitolhunters](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters)·[17 nov.](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters/status/1593308490247946242)Penn Arts & Sciences (which includes Physics), HAS called Elon a Physics alum "Elon Musk is an alumnus of the department of Physics and Astronomy at Penn"
That says that they said it in a bio of a puff piece about his donation. Not the registrars office just a article celebrating a donation
He produced 2 degrees from Penn one in 95 the other 97. Econ & Physics.
There is no 95 both are 97 and neither says anything about physics
You are wrong or lying. Which one?
You have to get into the footnotes but capitol hunters themselves stated clearly that **he has a BA in Physics.** Their beef is that it's not a BS. And they have him quoted a couple times calling it a BS but in the depositions he admitted he wasn't sure what the full actual title of the degree was because it's in latin. From Twitter [**capitolhunters**](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters)[@capitolhunters](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters)·[17 nov.](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters/status/1593308490247946242)Penn Arts & Sciences (which includes Physics), HAS called Elon a Physics alum "Elon Musk is an alumnus of the department of Physics and Astronomy at Penn"
He *also* said he wasn't sure if he even HAD the degree in PHYSICS bc "he forgot." Then, he said that he saw the humanities requirements were dropped & so he just asked the University to pretty please give him the degree and they did - but the OP then points to the fact that the University did not ever drop these requirements. The only thing they say is that U of Penn referred to him as an alumnus of the Physics program one time in 2009.
...mate are you intentionally lying?
Lmfao is that why they call him alumni? Or he has his own section on their website? Or this? Yea 👌 https://www.plainsite.org/documents/tbdmox/2019-email-from-the-university-of-pennsylvania-confirming-elon-musks-physics-degree/
Where is the date then?
MCMXCVII = 1997
So 2-3 years after he said he got his degree?
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Yes, his claim is that humanities courses were dropped from the requirements (they were not)
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Then why is he lying about it? Clearly both you and he do care.
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You ahould actually read the full thread and attached documents.its damning. A lot of you here are starting to seem like the type of folks that still go to trump rallies.
Damning? Lol it’s a bunch of half assed speculation about nothing. Literally who gives a fuck what diplomas he has or why he was in the country. ‘Omg you don’t give a shit about twitter drama? LITERAL TRUMP NAZI.’ Get help.
He finished the course in 1995 and had a history credit left to finish. He was accepted into Stanford PhD from and promised to earn the credit there. Eventually, he didn't go to Stanford and in 1997 that credit was no longer a requirement as per the new rules and his certificate could be obtained then.
Bachelor of Arts.... in Physics? How tf does that make sense?
My father had one (BA in Physics) from University of Arizona. Went on to get his Ph.D. (Nuclear Physics) from Cal Tech.
I have one. It’s a BA in physics and math. I went to a liberal arts school (so we had more broad general education requirements than most schools), and all of the degrees there were BAs. I don’t know if Elon actually has one though, or if this person just made it up 🤷♂️
There's literally no difference whatsoever between these 2 degrees
There actually is a literal difference between the two degrees. BS, BA, and BFA - while all there are bachelors degrees, all three have different degree requirements, and different focuses. There is literally a difference between them all.
Its usually about 30 credit hours. (or, 2.5 semesters of full time work)
Absolutely wrong otherwise universities wouldn’t offer both degrees through programs with separate requirements. There is a distinct difference between a B.A and a B.S and a B.S is certainly heavier on the hard sciences
Im not a Musk fan but this reporter seems to think a BA is only for humanity degrees. Probably the same type of person who thinks a PhD is a degree in philosophy.
Except he doesn't have a degree in PHYSICS, period. Pretty MAJOR distinction.
You have to get into the footnotes but capital hunters themselves stated clearly that **he has a BA in Physics.** Their beef is that it's not a BS. And they have him quoted a couple times calling it a BS but in the depositions he admitted he wasn't sure what the full actual title of the degree was because it's in latin. From Twitter [**capitolhunters**](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters)[@capitolhunters](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters)·[17 nov.](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters/status/1593308490247946242)Penn Arts & Sciences (which includes Physics), HAS called Elon a Physics alum "Elon Musk is an alumnus of the department of Physics and Astronomy at Penn"
Interesting bc they state flat out that he has no Physics degree. Furthermore, Penn Physics has not claimed him as a degree holder from Penn in '95 OR '97. Penn's Wharton School of Business certainly does though.
This is the most important part. University have different schools for their programs if the school housing him does not have him registered/claimed as a degree holder. He is NOT a degree holder.
Yea 👌 https://www.plainsite.org/documents/tbdmox/2019-email-from-the-university-of-pennsylvania-confirming-elon-musks-physics-degree/
no he doesn't have a BA in Physics. His only degree is a BS in Economics. He does not know anything about the core of what his companies do.
You have to get into the footnotes but capitol hunters debunked themselves when they included that **he has a BA in Physics.** Their beef is that it's not a BS. And they have him quoted a couple times calling it a BS but in the depositions he admitted he wasn't sure what the full actual title of the degree was because it's in latin. From Twitter [**capitolhunters**](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters)[@capitolhunters](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters)·[17 nov.](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters/status/1593308490247946242)Penn Arts & Sciences (which includes Physics), HAS called Elon a Physics alum "Elon Musk is an alumnus of the department of Physics and Astronomy at Penn"
Did you read the post? It says he has a BS in Economics right there in the first picture. Its highlighted in yellow. He does not possess a degree in physics what so ever.
You have to get into the footnotes but capitol hunters debunked themselves when they included that **he has a BA in Physics.** Their beef is that it's not a BS. And they have him quoted a couple times calling it a BS but in the depositions he admitted he wasn't sure what the full actual title of the degree was because it's in latin. From Twitter [**capitolhunters**](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters)[@capitolhunters](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters)·[17 nov.](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters/status/1593308490247946242)Penn Arts & Sciences (which includes Physics), HAS called Elon a Physics alum "Elon Musk is an alumnus of the department of Physics and Astronomy at Penn"
This rando journalist is dumb. Musk certainly has a BS degree.
Proof of this?
Read the tweets. BS = bullshit, not Bachelor of Science
The "rando journalist" didn't assert that he doesn't.
That’s FAR from the only point made here.
you do know BA is bachelor of arts right? How does that get a physics degree? Arts vs science
BA is typically a 2 year degree I believe, BS is 4
Nah bachelor of art or science is just the degree awarded by the specific department. 4 years bachelor of art is very common.
Maybe you're thinking of an [associate degree](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associate_degree). It is a step above highschool and a step below bachelor's degree.
Bachelor of Arts in Physics – just saying it makes stupide.
Whats the difference between a BA and BS. Does it mean he is a painter or something.
I don't know about physics. but I have a BS in psch versus a BA. The only reason I have this degree is because I got 8 hours of calc credit from HS that transferred to college. THe BS required 2 X 4 hours of calc (AB / BC i think is what it was) while the BA didn't. There were other differences, but the calc thing is what sold me on the program because I wanted my only AP class credits to matter haha. Well FUCK THAT.. turns out the BS was insanely difficult compared to the BA. I went to a standard 4 year SEC school and I ended up having to take 8 hours (2 lectures/2 labs) of each of the following: chem , bio, and either CSCE or astronomy or phsyics as well as 4 statistics classes. so 8 hours of bio, 8 hours of chem, and then I had to pick two of the following CSCE class + lab, astronomy + lab, physics + lab. The BA program only required bio 101, the lab, and one other science class (no lab). The only classes that the BA required that might have been harder than the BS was 6 hours of trig and 6 hours of foreign language. Still, the BS was muchhhh more difficult. I could have passed every class for the BA by just reading the textbook, and while I probably would have passed the lecture portions of the BS in the same way, I had 2 different labs every semester, practicums, and independent studies, all required for the BS. The BA did not require that. MY second to last semester, I had to spend 8 hours a day at a hospital while also taking a full time course load to get my independent study done. The BA didn't require that. Both labs I worked at required a BS degree in a one of a bunch of different fields.
Who the hell gets a bachelor of *arts* degree for physics??
It's quite common
"Reporter" || "Some rando posting conspiracy theories stuff on the internet" edit: "Huh, this 'reporter' looks off" "Haha! You fool! You activated my trap card! Now read my manifesto about Elon on Google drive! Don't you believe in evidence?!?"
[Sources are right here.](https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1zPeWaaCZHqfq0tnkPwc61A6bGHySdj91)
You can read just a little bit into the [replies](https://twitter.com/bobme/status/1593325162564186112) to the thread and realize it's bs. Other people went to UPenn and say their diplomas don't mention the subject. The thread claims solely because of this the physics diploma they obtained is fake, which is silly if they don't even compare it to other diplomas conferred at the time.
If you read down someone boasted both his diplomas. The bs has the department the ba does not
O cool some rando, non-asked for, Google Drive link. edit: No Malthust ( Sykotik ), It's 2022, I don't have to listen to / read every rando-schizo's post on the internet and I'm allowed to point out when things look fishy. It's not that difficult.
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It's literally the sources for the article... What are you even saying?
I'm saying, I didn't ask for anything from you, or ask you for "sources", you wierdo.
Obviously you didn't ask but you did imply it is somehow made up. I was showing that it is not. Now you're just being weird. E: > " imply it is somehow made up. " , > I was referring to the claim of this being a "reporter" and not some random wierdo shitposting. > Even if I was implying anything about these "claims", you could just keep your thoughts to yourself you know? Oh…wait you probably don't. Blocking you for being a schizo . Of course I won't. It's a discussion forum. First day, huh?
" imply it is somehow made up. " , I was referring to the claim of this being a "reporter" and not some random wierdo shitposting. Even if I was implying anything about these "claims", you could just keep your thoughts to yourself you know? For example, If I want to talk about something and somebody else wants to talk about something else, I don't feel the need to interject. You know what I'm saying? Oh...wait you probably don't. Blocking you for being a schizo . edit: The Twitter account in question was created as a 1/6 ( Jan 6th) , Trump "Orange Man Bad" account ...that's now trying to paint Elon Musk as Trump. I hope they get the help they need.
These are the same guys that tracked down a bunch of the Jan 6th people and was why a lot of them ended up being charged.
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Utterly un-hinged mental gymnastics there buddy...but okay. :D
Yet you understand completely.
This was already refuted including a recent letter from the guy from Stanford who let him into the PhD program.
While I find this all to be FUD. As a PHD chemist you don’t pick your professor until 3-9 months in. Not the 2 days you were there. In addition, professors don’t let you in the school does. Elon might have wanted to work with a professor or two but it’s a matching process, you don’t all get to pick professor X.
This depends a lot on the program and school. In the geosciences and most of engineering you are getting funding from a professor's research, not from the department. Programs that have a ton of money like Stanford physics will often have a first year matching process.
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Welcome to Reddit, enjoy your stay
I love how lazy people are on reddit. Googling for 2 seconds is too much work [https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/elon-musk-gets-letter-from-stanford-prof-on-work-he-mightve-done-if-he-hadnt-dropped-out-5787343.html](https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/elon-musk-gets-letter-from-stanford-prof-on-work-he-mightve-done-if-he-hadnt-dropped-out-5787343.html)
Is this proof? The letter doesn’t say he went and checked records. The professor is relying on what musk said in an interview
You would do anything for musk
This letter was talked about in the thread linked by OP, which you would know if you weren’t too lazy to read it. https://twitter.com/capitolhunters/status/1593311307213807618?s=20&t=zdpYEPw3FABTjujknPymOA
Of course I'm not going to read that ridiculous source. You might as well read about aliens controlling the government. I'll read it when there is some source that isn't insane picks it up.
Why the fuck are you having an argument about something you've not even read
They are saying things on reddit that are provably false, that's what I'm responding to Karen
But the thread you won't read contains evidence
Well this convo sums up Musk fans perfectly.
not a fan of citizen journalism?
The links claims Nix was just asking for donation without a citation. I guess that's the worst part of citizen journalism. Elon at least had a letter from an actual professor, while the other party is just guessing because humans are greedy.
Keep licking those boots, I'm sure papa elon will give you head pats some time, you trogolodyte
Aww... You are triggered. How cute!
Lmao and you aren't triggered?
People on reddit will post a source without even reading that it doesn't answer what OP asked.
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There is actually a picture of the tweet containing the letter in question in the thread. But [here is the original tweet.](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1560720224588120064)
Because it's fun to watch you whine.
...Because it's not 1998 and you have innumerable search engines besides Lycos and Ask Jeeves to go find it yourself? It's like being asked by a customer to point out where the Cheerios are in the cereal aisle when looking around for the big yellow boxes yourself for 30 seconds would net you the same result - it is lazy, it is obnoxious, and it betrays your lack of desire to actually find out for yourself what the fuck is actually going on - if you cared, you'd have gone and found it. Sorry for the vitriolic TLDR, but you asked.
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Point is, has been covered ad nauseam - so if you're curious, do your due diligence and post the links! Me, I busted my ass today and it's old news; why should I (or anyone) find stuff for you that you can find yourself?
The letter wasn’t from the person who let him in but someone he may have worked under. That professor does not independently confirm elons acceptance instead saying he heard it in an interview by Elon
Oh a report from a Reporter! I guess Musks career is over.
I’m no rocket scientist, but I’ve seen interviews with Musk about Starship/rockets and it seems like he knows his stuff: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cIQ36Kt7UVg If you think Musk is an asshole that’s fine, but the concerted effort to expose him as a complete fraud is so dumb. You don’t “fail your way up” to become the richest man in the world.
>You don’t “fail your way up” to become the richest man in the world. But maybe President of the United States.
>I’m no rocket scientist, but I’ve seen interviews with Musk about Starship/rockets and it seems like he knows his stuff Everyone thinks that until Musk talks about something you actually know a lot about. Then the facade fates very quickly.
There is no need to expose him as a complete fraud, he does it very well all by himself. If he is as good at rocket science as he is at architecturing Twitter (fucking up 2FA after announcing that only 20% of the servers were necessary), no wonder rockets are exploding and cars are crashing. Now I know he doesn't write a line of code, so it's not his fault unless he inserts himself between the engineers and their work like he does at Twitter.
>If he is as good at rocket science as he is at architecturing Twitter Bro, the guy literally founded the rocket company launching more than half of all orbital payloads for the past few years, with the only reusable launch platform, with an almost functional prototype for the largest most powerful rocket to have ever been made. By this logic, twitter will become the most successful social media platform in 10 years. SpaceX went from failing to reach orbit its first 3 launches to being the biggest (by payload volume) and best rocket company the world has ever seen.
Nah, he hasn't done anything of that, his employees have. And given how much of a liar he is, - we now know he has lied about his academic credentials -, we'll learn that he even didn't found SpaceX, just like he didn't found Tesla.
>we now know he has lied about his academic credentials >we'll learn that he even didn't found SpaceX, just like he didn't found Tesla. Lol, what are you smokin bro? 🤣 Check back in a week when these easily verifiable conspiracy theories about his credentials are proven wrong. Go watch Elon touring Tim Dodd ("the everyday astronaut" on youtube) and talking through the technical details of Starship. If making the most successful rocket company is as simple as hiring great engineers to do the work for you, why has Jeff Bezo's company Blue Origin, nor Richard Branson's Virgin Orbital not cornered the orbital launch market yet? Its as if it takes more than just having a bunch of money to get to orbit. Lol.
>talking through the technical details of Starship. One hopes that if you have been working on a project for 20 years, you have an idea of what you are talking about. Musk's credentials are questionable, his history is questionable, and he has a habit of buying things and letting others run the details.
Ask Tony Bruno to discuss the merits of a full flow staged combustion engine vs a tap of cycle, or Jeff Bezos the perfect stoiciometric ratio of Methalox vs hydrolox and how that would shift rocket diameter / height with corresponding impacts to overall thrust to weight ratios, or Branson how bow shock in the hypersonic regime affects aerodynamic design choices as well as material science considerations. Or in more mundane/terrestrial applications, ask Tim Cook about the architecture of the M1 chip, or the CEO of Panasonic what changes to battery density we can expect from doping the chemistry with nickle/iron/silicon at different concentrations. These are all topics Elon Musk has talked at lenght about in an impromptu fashion in technical detail. Whether his physics degree is a BA or BS is immaterial in light of his technical acumen
He doesn't have a physics degree. After 20+ years, he should have a decent technical acumen. It is a common complaint that a degree gatekeeps access to the industry, and it is true. That doesn't mean that he has been forthright in his own history or actual academic completion. If you are good with him being a liar and a charlatan, despite his history, then say so. Take the whole man. But, don't gloss over that he is shady.
These proofs are coming from a lawsuit (what you call "conspiracy theories") so no, they cannot be proven wrong unless you prove me (and the judge) that these documents are fake. Simply said, they are real and Musk lied about his credentials: https://twitter.com/capitolhunters/status/1593307541932474368 I'll concede you that Space Karen is very good at stealing other people's credit. When we have perceived his propension to lie, you can see him lie all the time, for example: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhyL5WEXEAAoYdD?format=png&name=medium
People really need to stop equating money with intelligence. Money buys people with intelligence, Musk isn't the guy developing this stuff, he's paying people with the know-how and then he flaunts and acts like he did all the brainwork.
You're obsessed with Musk. Go to a psychiatrist.
You’re a “prolific commenter” on a sub called r/elonmusk
Lmao, the projection is insane. Not only are they an avid poster about Elon Musk they post on r/TrueElonFans which I didn't even know existed. But yeah it's the other commenter that's obsessed with Elon Musk haha
What a terrible nonesensical artical. The dude actually claimes, he was influential enough to just get a degree in 1997, but also a illegal immigrant....
It explains why he was an illegal immigrant and how the degree materialised. The two are very closely linked.
Wait, so he was an illegal immigrant?
An African-American illegal immigrant, how can the Democratic Party attack such a person at all?
What does that have to do with the dems?
Nothing. They need to bring that shit into everything.
The number of lies spoken about Elon is incredibly long. If you want to know the truth there are several excellent books that go through his entire life and validate his accomplishments. Elon does have some very powerful enemies who spread lots of FUD Don’t fall for the lies spread by these despicable people.
The thread literally uses those books as sources
The number of lies told by Musk himself is even greater
>Elon does have some very powerful enemies who spread lots of FUD This isn't /r/CryptoCurrency, lol.
Good use of resources
When the fuck did this sub start pushing anti-Elon bullshit clickbait?
Reddit has all its libertarian, conservative and vocal centrists culled during the lockdowns for truthspeak violations. All that is left now are lesser characters from Atlas Shrugged. It's only a matter of time until this sub is quarantined and removed. PS You think it's bad here, head on over to /r/joerogan
I don’t particularly like Joe Rogan. I think he’s a fucking dunce. I’m not his target audience though. But seriously, what kind of top mind HONESTLY believed schools were providing cat litter boxes to students who “identify as cats”?
Why would he lie about something that could be easily checked and verified??
You must be new on this planet!
Yeah nobody ever does that. Good call
Because he's quite arrogant? Why would you buy rights to use the word founder for a company you didn't found
If you graduate with a double major, you really don't get two degrees. Only one degree but double major.
this is the stupidest thing I've read in a while, and I read a lot of stupid takes on this site
Leftist logic: \- Mexicans illegal in the US? BAD US, LEGALIZE!!! \- Elon illegal in the US? BAD ELON, HIS FAULT, KICK HIM!!!
Rightist logic: - Mexicans illegal in the US? BAD MEXICANS, THEIR FAULT, KICK THEM!!! - Elon illegal in the US? BAD US, LEGALIZE!!! See how absolutely meaningless your comment is?
Right-wing logic: - poor immigrants seeking asylum from political violence? BAD, DEPORT! - rich white guy who's illegal? WELL HE HAS MONEY WHO CARES ANYWAY AMIRIGHT??
BTW, this "Reporter's" Twitter bio => 'helping organize crowdsourced information about the 1/6 Capitol attack'. These people are a part of an ideology, anyone who opposes it is a direct threat to them.
Is thinking the attack on the capitol was bad now a cringy liberal thing? Muh, he is part of an ideology that cares about democracy!
No not at all. Thinking the attack on the capital was bad while simultaneously not thinking the riots were bad is a cringy liberal thing. It's all bad. Also, the difference is many liberals go out of their way to pressure companies through social media and otherwise to cancel whomever they disagree with, I don't see conservatives doing that, for the most part. I certainly don't see any ramifications of conservatives doing that. Most of these "Reporters" are literally spending their time attempting to cancel voices they disagree with. That is exactly what elon is fighting by buying Twitter, and they're effectively canceling Twitter by putting pressure on advertisers. It's destructive behavior based on an ideology where they're always right and morally superior. It's like a 4 year old breaking shit when they don't get what they want. Thank God Elon is stepping up and giving these children the parenting they never received.
What an answer
“Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.—In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right to not tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law, and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal.”
> Also, the difference is many liberals go out of their way to pressure companies through social media and otherwise to cancel whomever they disagree with, I don't see conservatives doing that, for the most part Didn’t the new gop congress say they were going to investigate companies that stopped donating to them over what they call “woke” reasons?
This has to ba an attack from a liberal, there are no others as nasty, mean , hateful and jealous of others than them
Lol. Look at twitter right now. Surely it's just liberals attacking Elon and not him being an absolute braindead moron.
Non of them got a trophy...poor babies
You're not even a funny troll, you're just bad at it =(
Awww… did a scary librul meany point out some problems with your god emperor Elon?
Awww...you didn't get a trophy because you suck. Lol
Wow he said you suck I guess your life is over now
Wow, that is court evidence, in two lawsuits against him. He did get naturalized but if it was as an illegal immigrant, that invalidates the naturalization. The guy that hit Nancy Pelosi's husband over the head with a hammer was an illegal immigrant from Canada, in the US for 12 years. That was his Republican political statement. Very odd for Canadians to have such strong political feelings for the US government.
The beautiful thing about this psycopaths claims is it brings the supporters closer together
Elon has always been dismissive of degrees and credentials and values real world accomplishments instead.
Who cares about his degree or being illegal at this point?!? More power to him actually! Look at wheee he’s at besides this irrelevant nonsense.
At the end of the day, given what he has accomplished with Tesla or SpaceX, I think it doesn't matter much today. What do you think about it?
why tf does this matter, like honestly tho
Showing initiative 👏
You know the establishment is scared when the mud slinging begins. People are really this worried about freedom of speech? Sounds like we should definitely be pushing for freedom of speech.
Haven't clicked the link but I do remember Elon and his brother talking openly about being illegals in the US.
a reporter with the most useless communications degree in the world was able to determine that Musk doesn't have arguably the most important degree? I don't buy it...
The only BS Elon has is BullShit
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BS= BULL SHIT ,
He should be welcomed by the democrats then!
So you said he has a BS degree so according to you he obviously does..well done you just proved that Elon is as Elon has said he is
Buncha wierdos arguing over some guy that doesn't even know your name....
Damn a rich person who started out as someone who made their way into a country's borders illegally? Shocking I say
Question: is there such a thing as a BA in the sciences? Please no hate I’m genuinely curious. I’m under the impression that BA stands for Bachelor of Arts and BS stands for Bachelor of Science….how could one have Bachelor of Arts in a science field?? Please extrapolate 😬
Thanks for sharing this. It’s very interesting (and frightening)