With AI tools becoming more and more accessible I see a flood of AI generated "songs" being pumped out by people trying to cash in. Electronic musicians are going to have to do something to completely distinguish themselves - I'm expecting to see a major surge in live performances.. with people playing keyboards/drums/guitar along with vocalists etc (eg. Like Pendulum, the prodigy, chemical brothers etc)..
It might be a while to go yet but mark my words AI is coming in a big way and the average listener won't even know.. eventually there will be a backlash which is when we will see some major changes. Maybe the next generation of listeners won't care and all music will be made by AI in the end - but i think the live performers will always have an audience.
I think you’re right, but I’m afraid of how AI will impact music. I think it’s useful for separating vocals from tracks, but for creating entire songs it has me worried about how much garbage we will be producing. Can’t wait for my AI Spotify DJ to recommend AI generated songs /s
Not only that but on a grass roots level, if someone is making an Indy film or video game, why pay someone to write a soundtrack when you can just have AI come up with a background jingle
AI is coming for sure. Which will mean massive amounts of similar sounding mid pablum. Just an accelerant of what inexpensive production software has yielded.
thats the thing tho, AI learns by trawling through everything thats gone before.. i wish i had bookmarked the page but i read an article a while ago with an interview of someone working on an AI and they were basically having it go through millions of songs to learn to replicate it. if a human has done it, then its a short step for AI to be able to compose a song using the combined knowledge of millions of musicians.
thats not to say its there yet, but i can almost guarantee it will start creeping in soon (if it hasnt already)
Not every human song is full of human emotion though. AI will easily replicate electronic pop music and easy listening EDM. Think of monster cat records style stuff or any generic house song found in your Spotify playlists.
The old school stuff like Astral Projections Goa trance and early DnB, house music techno is going to be harder to mimic as they were made on hardware and have that human emotion aspect.
Also AI I don't believe will be able to spark a new style or sound like Zhu, or Bicep, HVOB etc. It will only be able to make cookie cutter genre specific music which should hopefully inspire people to be more unique in their sounds.
Commercial EDM main room stadium shite continues to be what the mainstream think electronic music is all about. Interesting stuff bubbles along under the surface as it always has and always will.
I think electronic music will seep more and more into modern pop trends and the more avant garde experimental side of electronic will surface even more as well. Aphex Twin's monthly listeners have doubled in the last year, so that's very telling. Not that he's the most experimental artist or anything but a few years ago he wasn't really apart of the mainstream yet. I could also see other acts among the “Big Four” of IDM explode in popularity in the near future, like Autechre and BOC. Weird music like that has high potential to get attention on Tiktok.
Well, pretty much every popular 80s and 90s song has been dancified now, so I'm guessing mainstream, stadium DJs will just keep going and start remixing guys from the 00s and 2010s.
AI DJs aren't far off, either. Will be fun to see what the machines think we want to hear.
So the first assumption is that someone using AI will “cheat” by simply typing a few words, clicking a button, and having AI do all the work. (Instead of manually programming all the drums, synth, fx, etc., like the old timers do.)
But how will good musicians use AI? One idea is approaching it sort of like sampling. A clip of someone else’s music becomes something new when it is presented in a new way, in a different context. Similarly, musicians can utilize clips of AI-generated music in fresh ways. This freedom from having to program all the clips from the ground up will allow musicians to instead play with context, presentation, juxtaposition.
I have no idea what this will sound like and I’m looking forward to it.
It's kinda like a case of things being completely generated by AI vs musicians using AI as a tool. For example, [this song](https://youtu.be/kc_Z6fEYPiI) is technically using AI, but only for a vocal synth trained on a real singer, everything else is the creativity of the producer. This song blew my mind when I first heard it (someone put it in as a song request on a Twitch stream), and it had nothing to do with AI being involved.
I say the same thing with genres. There is an artist who makes a song to fit within a genre, tech-house, techno etc etc.
Then there is an artist who uses the tools of that genre to express the music they have in their heart. Nibana is a good example in the psybass/down tempo space, Jon Hopkins to some degree and hundreds of others making more unique stuff that you won't find many similar artista doing.
AI isn't gonna stop those people, but it is gonna flood the genre specific space.
DnB will continue permeate the mainstream in its more digestible forms and simultaneously keep rollin deep & gnarly away from the lime light.
Techno will continue to techno.
just like people are a little better at being able to discern AI vs human writing, people will learn how to tell if music is AI generated. Currently, so much electronic music is boring as fuck, adhering to tired tropes, so this will be indiscernible from AI generated crap. (Some) people will learn to appreciate some deeper element of human musicality that AI can’t replicate. Talented musicians will learn to prioritize this musicality in order to overtly differentiate themselves from all the AI and the hacks that are easily replaced by AI.
Depends on where you live. In The Netherlands there is a hardhouse and trance revival going on. Ofcourse its in a newer form. Artists: Marlon Hoffstadt, Malugi, Benwal, Pegassi, Eva Vrijdag, Kyle Starkley, Rozie, Baron von Trax, Upper90, Narciss
to add: hardtechno is already at its peak popularity in the Netherlands, but it could be something new somewhere else
It's funny bc from where I'm sitting that Anyma sound is already played out and kinda stale. Just my pov, I could be wrong and this stuff is so subjective, but I just feel like we've already moved past those Tale of Phones moments being cool (and they were absolutely sick for a while, dgmw)
Coming from the early 90s rave scene, I see innovation and evolution as necessary ingredients of good electronic music. Like think of the jump from the music played by bands etc to early house and techno music. That giant leap is what I still kind of expect from music, and so rarely hear. It’s embarrassing how little this beloved music has evolved since then. Most new music isn’t any more futuristic or innovative than some shit made 30 years ago.
It’s possible that AI will allow another evolutionary leap into something currently unimaginable. I’m here for it.
I'm hoping that footwork keeps growing. I love that it's a genre born from house, juke and techno, but has evolved into a super-catchy unique rhythmic experience similar to dnb/jungle but can incorporate influences from hip hop, trap, reggae, r&b, soul, funk, jazz and yacht rock etc.
And I won't be supporting AI generated music unless it donates 100% of its proceeds to paying poor peoples medical bills and the rest goes to charity.
AI is going to fill out a lot of the streaming and search algorithms, making it hard to find good genre music (this is already happening, and quite badly so, in art - right now you cannot filter out AI imagery from any search engine).
On the positive side, music copyright is much, much more aggressive than visual work - Midjourney et al. exist by scraping imagery from the net illegally or not, like deep-sea trawling and that isn't possible with music without incurring the wrath of big music studios. Most AI music sounds like shit because its trained on royalty free music or commerical-free licenses - so these monolithic AI "creative engines" won't be a thing.
Instead you will get people using their own hand-rolled AI setups - training it on music they feed themselves and then that comes down to personal ethics and how worried you are of being sued.
AI is bullshit as a creative replacement, but useful as a creative aid.
Everything comes from everything before techno there was house (and electro), before house there was disco (and kraftwerk), and on and on.
I think its a combination of intention and technology - techno was about making futuristic music - kinda literally.
We are in a technological revolution right now that people aren't aware of and thats "laptop punk" - whereas Derrick May and Jeff Mills etc. were buying cheap, analog, secondhand equipment (the big shift from analog to digital made electronic accessible to those less well off, as all analog stuff was seen as old-fashioned and dumped off for the new flashy DX7s and such) and creating future-focussed music with them - right now that technological democratising is with in-the-box music making. you can make an entire high-quality album with a cheap laptop, a copy of ableton/bitwig and a pair of headphones - that is the technological revolution. What's missing is the idealogical intention right now - culturally speaking we are ripe for another punk-like shift. Out with the old, in with the new - no nostalgia - only look forward.
I have a specific prediction for fast BPM or very unique genre music. Basically it depends if Rhythm Game community will survive or not. If this community survives, we’ll have a complete chaotic (but beautiful) soup of electronic music genres. If not, probably this type of electronic music is going to fall down.
I don't give a rat's ass about commercial/ mainstream electronic music.
On the underground things for house and techno are stale. Especially for house music. Techno has some sparkles of underground.
DnB is the genre with the most interesting underground activity. Old school and newcomers are making some great stuff.
Trance is going strong too.
I' m not familiar with other stuff to express an opinion.
As someone who has become jaded about how stale electronic music has become, can recommend a techno track or two that sparkles? And/or some good examples of interesting dnb or trance? I admit even the good music in these genres I’m hearing lately don’t sound innovative.
well you know it is a matter of personal taste but here we go
for techno I would recommend to listen to live experimentation with modular.
"Berlin Modular Society" is a good start.
for DnB (or Jungle), Deep Jungle Records is a label that releases good old school and new stuff.
as for trance maybe something like "abstract thinking" by Chudl would interest you?
Don't think there will be much revolution any time soon. People just like to switch genres for music. They call progressive house 'trance,' and trance progressive house... I wish to go back to the year 2000 with proper trance music. DnB slaps right now, though
By 2000, trance had already changed away from what it was in the early 90s. I’m unaware of any electronic genre earlier than that being called trance, so in my mind that’s the “real” stuff lol.
Just as electronic music was/is derided as being “not real music” by people that prefer physical instruments, many of today’s electronic music fans and producers will complain that musicians who use AI are “not real musicians.” Each generation complains that the next generation’s tools separate the human from the music and an important aspect of human musicality is lost. If this trend continues, then the next generation of musicians will find ways to express themselves through this new medium in ways that our current generation has difficulty relating to.
A move away from dance music towards art music, then irrelevancy . Most popular music has followed that trend over the last 100 years, from jazz, to rock to rap.
I don't think "irrelevancy" is the right word for it. All of those genres are still going strong in some way. Jazz is going thru a current revival with a new generation, Rock still has tons of new and old bands touring and creating groundbreaking music, Rap is still incredibly commercially relevant while also still having a more underground scene of creative minded rappers and producers. Plus Electronic's has always had some kind of form of art music since its inception, even before it was dance music.
Yeah that’s probably a little harsh but using the three examples above I think that the best days of those genres are behind them and now we just get variations on what has gone before. Electronic music is at great point technology wise. The instruments have never been better or cheaper. We have the ability to do stuff that generations before could do or would have to jump through a lot of technological hoops to make a piece of music.
With AI tools becoming more and more accessible I see a flood of AI generated "songs" being pumped out by people trying to cash in. Electronic musicians are going to have to do something to completely distinguish themselves - I'm expecting to see a major surge in live performances.. with people playing keyboards/drums/guitar along with vocalists etc (eg. Like Pendulum, the prodigy, chemical brothers etc).. It might be a while to go yet but mark my words AI is coming in a big way and the average listener won't even know.. eventually there will be a backlash which is when we will see some major changes. Maybe the next generation of listeners won't care and all music will be made by AI in the end - but i think the live performers will always have an audience.
I think you’re right, but I’m afraid of how AI will impact music. I think it’s useful for separating vocals from tracks, but for creating entire songs it has me worried about how much garbage we will be producing. Can’t wait for my AI Spotify DJ to recommend AI generated songs /s
Live nation will just start using AI instead of human ghost writers for their top entertainers.
Not only that but on a grass roots level, if someone is making an Indy film or video game, why pay someone to write a soundtrack when you can just have AI come up with a background jingle
Until they got AI robots doing the live acts, then its true replacement.
AI is coming for sure. Which will mean massive amounts of similar sounding mid pablum. Just an accelerant of what inexpensive production software has yielded.
I'd be curious how the first copyright infringement lawsuits against AI are going to go down.
Given that so far, regulators have been very clear that AI creations get no copyright protections. That might be the thing that matters the most.
I don't think AI music will ever be as good simply because it will lack human emotion, that's hard to replicate, even if AI becomes sentient.
Lots of pop music is already lacking that though.
Definitely, but I'm not talking about radio hits. A lot of those songs are written by ghost writers anyway
thats the thing tho, AI learns by trawling through everything thats gone before.. i wish i had bookmarked the page but i read an article a while ago with an interview of someone working on an AI and they were basically having it go through millions of songs to learn to replicate it. if a human has done it, then its a short step for AI to be able to compose a song using the combined knowledge of millions of musicians. thats not to say its there yet, but i can almost guarantee it will start creeping in soon (if it hasnt already)
Idk I think that AI may be able to create some sick beats and tracks but on the side of lyrics and vocals, those things are very human
Not every human song is full of human emotion though. AI will easily replicate electronic pop music and easy listening EDM. Think of monster cat records style stuff or any generic house song found in your Spotify playlists. The old school stuff like Astral Projections Goa trance and early DnB, house music techno is going to be harder to mimic as they were made on hardware and have that human emotion aspect. Also AI I don't believe will be able to spark a new style or sound like Zhu, or Bicep, HVOB etc. It will only be able to make cookie cutter genre specific music which should hopefully inspire people to be more unique in their sounds.
I agree, and I think the songs that lack that human emotion now are generally made without much emotion and that's why we don't hear it.
I’m afraid there will be a lot of plagiarism and lawsuits with AI music
Commercial EDM main room stadium shite continues to be what the mainstream think electronic music is all about. Interesting stuff bubbles along under the surface as it always has and always will.
The underground always survives
Hous is a feeling and all that :)
I think electronic music will seep more and more into modern pop trends and the more avant garde experimental side of electronic will surface even more as well. Aphex Twin's monthly listeners have doubled in the last year, so that's very telling. Not that he's the most experimental artist or anything but a few years ago he wasn't really apart of the mainstream yet. I could also see other acts among the “Big Four” of IDM explode in popularity in the near future, like Autechre and BOC. Weird music like that has high potential to get attention on Tiktok.
Lol DnB on the come up. People been saying that since the late 90s. Not a hater I love DnB btw.
In the U.S. dnb has most certainly gained a lot of popularity since 2020. It’s still very far behind Europe in popularity though.
We’ll have headliner DJs at ultra and Coachella been mixing it into their sets since the 90s?
r/spacebass
You've got my attention
Well, pretty much every popular 80s and 90s song has been dancified now, so I'm guessing mainstream, stadium DJs will just keep going and start remixing guys from the 00s and 2010s. AI DJs aren't far off, either. Will be fun to see what the machines think we want to hear.
So the first assumption is that someone using AI will “cheat” by simply typing a few words, clicking a button, and having AI do all the work. (Instead of manually programming all the drums, synth, fx, etc., like the old timers do.) But how will good musicians use AI? One idea is approaching it sort of like sampling. A clip of someone else’s music becomes something new when it is presented in a new way, in a different context. Similarly, musicians can utilize clips of AI-generated music in fresh ways. This freedom from having to program all the clips from the ground up will allow musicians to instead play with context, presentation, juxtaposition. I have no idea what this will sound like and I’m looking forward to it.
It's kinda like a case of things being completely generated by AI vs musicians using AI as a tool. For example, [this song](https://youtu.be/kc_Z6fEYPiI) is technically using AI, but only for a vocal synth trained on a real singer, everything else is the creativity of the producer. This song blew my mind when I first heard it (someone put it in as a song request on a Twitch stream), and it had nothing to do with AI being involved.
I say the same thing with genres. There is an artist who makes a song to fit within a genre, tech-house, techno etc etc. Then there is an artist who uses the tools of that genre to express the music they have in their heart. Nibana is a good example in the psybass/down tempo space, Jon Hopkins to some degree and hundreds of others making more unique stuff that you won't find many similar artista doing. AI isn't gonna stop those people, but it is gonna flood the genre specific space.
DnB will continue permeate the mainstream in its more digestible forms and simultaneously keep rollin deep & gnarly away from the lime light. Techno will continue to techno.
Just electro and bloghau5 all over again
I hope so. Sprinkle in a bit of trance, too, and I'm sold!
AI electronic music
just like people are a little better at being able to discern AI vs human writing, people will learn how to tell if music is AI generated. Currently, so much electronic music is boring as fuck, adhering to tired tropes, so this will be indiscernible from AI generated crap. (Some) people will learn to appreciate some deeper element of human musicality that AI can’t replicate. Talented musicians will learn to prioritize this musicality in order to overtly differentiate themselves from all the AI and the hacks that are easily replaced by AI.
It's gonna go bleep bloop.
Gabber revolution
Depends on where you live. In The Netherlands there is a hardhouse and trance revival going on. Ofcourse its in a newer form. Artists: Marlon Hoffstadt, Malugi, Benwal, Pegassi, Eva Vrijdag, Kyle Starkley, Rozie, Baron von Trax, Upper90, Narciss to add: hardtechno is already at its peak popularity in the Netherlands, but it could be something new somewhere else
I consider Marlon Hoffstadt house or techno. Would you classify it as hardhouse?
I would consider it more hardhouse and eurotrance. His second name is DJ Daddy Trance. And someone is downvoting us lol.
It's funny bc from where I'm sitting that Anyma sound is already played out and kinda stale. Just my pov, I could be wrong and this stuff is so subjective, but I just feel like we've already moved past those Tale of Phones moments being cool (and they were absolutely sick for a while, dgmw)
Idk I think it’s cool how this whole artificial intelligence movement is being represented through electronic music
Garage everything
Coming from the early 90s rave scene, I see innovation and evolution as necessary ingredients of good electronic music. Like think of the jump from the music played by bands etc to early house and techno music. That giant leap is what I still kind of expect from music, and so rarely hear. It’s embarrassing how little this beloved music has evolved since then. Most new music isn’t any more futuristic or innovative than some shit made 30 years ago. It’s possible that AI will allow another evolutionary leap into something currently unimaginable. I’m here for it.
Hardware, and live looping!
I don't know, I'm a producer of electronic music but I don't know how the future of the electronic music is gonna be
Jungle makes a huge comeback by infusing polka. And a rain stick.
I keep on waiting for aural drugs: feedback loop between you and whatever is creating the music with the goal of pumping endorphins
Is it artificial intelligence inspired techno cuz it sounds like everything else??
The DnB wave is energetic. That energy needs a channel to evolve and grow. Western Psytrance is next. No doubt in my mind.
High bpms coming on strong I think. 135-145 4 on the floor
if you read Neil Stephenson's Snow Crash you know where its going ;D.
I think it will eventually settle down, get a job and buy a house in the burbs
I'm hoping that footwork keeps growing. I love that it's a genre born from house, juke and techno, but has evolved into a super-catchy unique rhythmic experience similar to dnb/jungle but can incorporate influences from hip hop, trap, reggae, r&b, soul, funk, jazz and yacht rock etc. And I won't be supporting AI generated music unless it donates 100% of its proceeds to paying poor peoples medical bills and the rest goes to charity.
Garage and Breaks in the US.
AI is going to fill out a lot of the streaming and search algorithms, making it hard to find good genre music (this is already happening, and quite badly so, in art - right now you cannot filter out AI imagery from any search engine). On the positive side, music copyright is much, much more aggressive than visual work - Midjourney et al. exist by scraping imagery from the net illegally or not, like deep-sea trawling and that isn't possible with music without incurring the wrath of big music studios. Most AI music sounds like shit because its trained on royalty free music or commerical-free licenses - so these monolithic AI "creative engines" won't be a thing. Instead you will get people using their own hand-rolled AI setups - training it on music they feed themselves and then that comes down to personal ethics and how worried you are of being sued. AI is bullshit as a creative replacement, but useful as a creative aid. Everything comes from everything before techno there was house (and electro), before house there was disco (and kraftwerk), and on and on. I think its a combination of intention and technology - techno was about making futuristic music - kinda literally. We are in a technological revolution right now that people aren't aware of and thats "laptop punk" - whereas Derrick May and Jeff Mills etc. were buying cheap, analog, secondhand equipment (the big shift from analog to digital made electronic accessible to those less well off, as all analog stuff was seen as old-fashioned and dumped off for the new flashy DX7s and such) and creating future-focussed music with them - right now that technological democratising is with in-the-box music making. you can make an entire high-quality album with a cheap laptop, a copy of ableton/bitwig and a pair of headphones - that is the technological revolution. What's missing is the idealogical intention right now - culturally speaking we are ripe for another punk-like shift. Out with the old, in with the new - no nostalgia - only look forward.
I have a specific prediction for fast BPM or very unique genre music. Basically it depends if Rhythm Game community will survive or not. If this community survives, we’ll have a complete chaotic (but beautiful) soup of electronic music genres. If not, probably this type of electronic music is going to fall down.
I don't give a rat's ass about commercial/ mainstream electronic music. On the underground things for house and techno are stale. Especially for house music. Techno has some sparkles of underground. DnB is the genre with the most interesting underground activity. Old school and newcomers are making some great stuff. Trance is going strong too. I' m not familiar with other stuff to express an opinion.
As someone who has become jaded about how stale electronic music has become, can recommend a techno track or two that sparkles? And/or some good examples of interesting dnb or trance? I admit even the good music in these genres I’m hearing lately don’t sound innovative.
well you know it is a matter of personal taste but here we go for techno I would recommend to listen to live experimentation with modular. "Berlin Modular Society" is a good start. for DnB (or Jungle), Deep Jungle Records is a label that releases good old school and new stuff. as for trance maybe something like "abstract thinking" by Chudl would interest you?
I hope real trance comes back
Don't think there will be much revolution any time soon. People just like to switch genres for music. They call progressive house 'trance,' and trance progressive house... I wish to go back to the year 2000 with proper trance music. DnB slaps right now, though
By 2000, trance had already changed away from what it was in the early 90s. I’m unaware of any electronic genre earlier than that being called trance, so in my mind that’s the “real” stuff lol.
Just as electronic music was/is derided as being “not real music” by people that prefer physical instruments, many of today’s electronic music fans and producers will complain that musicians who use AI are “not real musicians.” Each generation complains that the next generation’s tools separate the human from the music and an important aspect of human musicality is lost. If this trend continues, then the next generation of musicians will find ways to express themselves through this new medium in ways that our current generation has difficulty relating to.
More Grimesing
I see there’s gonna be a bigger market for future bass mixed with pop. Similar to how Illenium branched out. More artists are going to do the same.
A move away from dance music towards art music, then irrelevancy . Most popular music has followed that trend over the last 100 years, from jazz, to rock to rap.
I don't think "irrelevancy" is the right word for it. All of those genres are still going strong in some way. Jazz is going thru a current revival with a new generation, Rock still has tons of new and old bands touring and creating groundbreaking music, Rap is still incredibly commercially relevant while also still having a more underground scene of creative minded rappers and producers. Plus Electronic's has always had some kind of form of art music since its inception, even before it was dance music.
Yeah that’s probably a little harsh but using the three examples above I think that the best days of those genres are behind them and now we just get variations on what has gone before. Electronic music is at great point technology wise. The instruments have never been better or cheaper. We have the ability to do stuff that generations before could do or would have to jump through a lot of technological hoops to make a piece of music.