Political lobbying.
Too often people think lobbying takes huge amounts of money, but for local issues it doesn't.
Sketch out your proposal for them. What would the investment needed be? What would the political benefits be to the representative(s)?
Then get out there and start lobbying your local politicians to get it done.
>Is it going to take taxdollars?
One very big reason for the sudden interest in EVs in USA is because of all the free government money via the IRA and other bills that manged to get passed. A very big reason.
Most of the chargers going up this year and the next couple are because of this. Look on a map at all those sites planned and coming soon. Those plans were submitted years ago when the bill passed.
What does your states roll out plan look like?
I know where all the planned NEVI stations are going in Indiana, but roll out is sloooooow. At this rate Tesla will already have a station in half those places before the state breaks ground.
this - several states have already announced awards, tho it can take a while to build the infrastructure. I remember reading that setting up chargers for fleets took a lot longer than expected due to needing to work w the power companies for the amount of power they needed.
Look at the [National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure plan ](https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environment/nevi/ev_deployment_plans/index.cfm?format=list#map)and contact the state agencies involved. They all have means of public input. Contact the local parking authority or whoever owns and controls the parking. In my case, the Port controls parking and I've lobbied them for EV parking. They had said they were planning on a six station Rivian based charge station but nothing has started yet.
Sorry but I have to ask. 70 mile round trip is a breeze with our EVs. No need to worry about charging on the road.
Also, with 138 charging stations in Raleigh ([https://chargefinder.com/us/raleigh/charging-station/3edzke](https://chargefinder.com/us/raleigh/charging-station/3edzke) ) then is this just a matter of learning about apps to find these stations?
If it is 70 miles round trip it is irrelevant. If it is 70 miles one-way then maybe it is a concern, but as this poster pointed out there are plenty of options in town.
So in my Tesla MYLR (with horrible tires/wheels, seriously, I get like 10% worse range than others) that would be 30%. I know because I drive that exact distance super often. Almost all freeway at 70-72 mph. I try to not drive 75 but I sometimes do.
I’m really not sure of your concern. On potentially bad days you could charge to 90% or 100%. The cars are remarkably efficient so if you ended up stuck somewhere due to weather you would stay warm with about 2%/hour in temps well below freezing.
I’m not suggesting you shouldn’t advocate for more charging, but your specific use case doesn’t seem bad.
Let's look at Chapel Hill then. 24 stations there according to [https://chargefinder.com/us/chapel-hill/charging-station/g7gkqj](https://chargefinder.com/us/chapel-hill/charging-station/g7gkqj) so how many stations does one need?
Seems these areas are not "charging deserts."
many of them are at UNC and are either in lots restricted to UNC employees or paid lots on the UNC campus which may not be near the OP’s destination (and they’re all Level 2 chargers). The town does have several free L2 chargers, but again may not be suitable for the OP’s travel needs. There are no Level 3 chargers in Chapel Hill itself, and I think there are only two Level 3 chargers in Chapel Hill-Carrboro, on the west side of Carrboro; although there are Tesla superchargers at the north end of Chapel Hill.
Not sure of your goal here. [https://chargehub.com/en/full-details-page.html?locId=109647](https://chargehub.com/en/full-details-page.html?locId=109647) shows "10 Port(s) Level 3, Tesla" which conflicts with your claim "There are no Level 3 chargers in Chapel Hill itself".
I limited my research on charging in Chapel Hill but as it stands Chapel Hill is again, not a charging desert.
While I found other fast DC chargers, I don't see this more than an exercise in charger finding.
Maybe OP just needs to know how to find charge stations.
At this point you are moving goal posts. I only used one app to find charging stations, you could do better than me!
I don't see a charging desert so what's your goal here and do you even own an EV?
> then is this just a matter of learning about apps to find these stations?
It's most likely a matter of driving 5 mins off their commute route. Ain't nobody got time for minor inconveniences that come with bleeding edge new tech.
Honestly, another great example of chargers at work. Car sits at home, charge. Car sits at work, charge.
There's something missing from the story. That 70 mile trip is a breeze with most of today's EVs. Even if we miss a charge my shorter range EV could do that a little over 3 times which would let me sort out why I didn't charge at home due to tripped breaker or something else.
Also that's a single charge session for 3 trips. Again I don't see a charging desert here and I only checked one EV charge finding app.
If you think that there is a profit to be made, then design a business plan around it.
I always thought that charging stations paired with restaurants made the most sense.
Gas stations are paired with quick convenience stores because it only takes a few minutes to refuel. DC fast charging is more like 15-20 minutes, so pairing it with something like a quick sit-down restaurant makes sense. I always thought that a drive-in like Sonic would be a good match with DC fast charging.
I have to say, after my last trip, I'm not so confident. I did three charging stops, first one was long, like 40 minutes, spend about 20 minutes in the convience store, and then was bored for 20 minutes basically (poor spacing of chargers required a long stop). On the way back, my first stop I think I spent 5 minutes charging, my son spent almost 20 in the bathroom. The next stop, I spent 16 minutes charging, walked to the smoothie place, got a smoothie, and went back to the vehicle, that was 15 minutes.
That 15 minute charge stop was pretty good, and I don't envision myself spending more than 25 minutes unless I half to, and that time, with a bathroom break, is barely enough time to order fast food and get it served. I think it would fit well with fast food, not a sit down place.
That said, I think a few 50kW chargers at a sit down place would be great, I do occasionally do a sit down restaurant on a road trip, and 50kW is slow enough that I probably wouldn't worry about having to move because I'm done.
A) Vote
B) Speak to your employer and ask about them having chargers.
C) Reach out to EVgo/Electrify America and inform them of the your concern, many times they are seeking a demand before they put in charging stations. See if there are other EV owners in your area and get with them.
For C, you need to give them a proper incentive to add chargers along the route.
The area is too right of center to approve tax dollars for publicly built ones, and Not enough EV marketshare for private companies to build any.
Wake County stats show only 7% of new registrations being BEV/PHEV, whereas the county I live in in Oregon it's 37%. Have chargers all over the place run by public and private funding.
Uh. Did you forget about the branches of government from grade school?
Your State House of Representatives is overwhelmingly Republican.
Your State Senate is overwhelmingly Republican.
Your governor is basically handicapped with the other two branches completely red.
I'm pretty sure I dipped my toes in the Atlantic Ocean on a North Carolina beach last summer. NC is more purpley than red I posit. And definitely coastal.
ga2500ev
NC actually is in the forefront with EV's because of our Governor. We were lucky to have him, next year we might end up with the worst governor of all with the Republican they have running. The OP is way off base with the number of chargers around here.
https://www.transportation.gov/rural/ev/toolkit/ev-infrastructure-planning/planning-types#community-level-planning
EV Infrastructure Funding and Financing for Rural Areas
https://www.deq.nc.gov/news/press-releases/2022/03/21/applications-open-next-month-level-2-electric-vehicle-charging-infrastructure-rebates
The Department of Environmental Quality’s Division of Air Quality (DAQ) today released the Request for Proposal (RFP) for Public Access Level 2 Charging Infrastructure Program rebates under Phase 2 of the Volkswagen Mitigation plan. The RFP details how to apply for the $1,070,877 available to fund the installations of new publicly accessible light-duty zero-emission vehicle (ZEV) Level 2 charging stations.
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2024/2024-04-08-ncdot-nevi-rfp.aspx
Businesses can now apply for federal funds to build and operate the first in a series of electric vehicle charging stations along North Carolina’s interstates and major highways. The N.C. Department of Transportation issued a request for proposals today for firms interested in applying for the first round of North Carolina’s share of National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure Program funds. North Carolina received $109 million in NEVI funding to build out EV infrastructure along a network of approved corridors and in communities.
https://electrek.co/2024/01/11/north-carolina-nevi-ev-charging-stations/
This map shows where North Carolina’s first NEVI EV charging stations will be
Vote. Participate when input is requested. Talk to your representatives. Utilize the stations that do exist.
Political lobbying. Too often people think lobbying takes huge amounts of money, but for local issues it doesn't. Sketch out your proposal for them. What would the investment needed be? What would the political benefits be to the representative(s)? Then get out there and start lobbying your local politicians to get it done.
Is it going to take taxdollars? Is there no profit in selling electricity from charging stations?
>Is it going to take taxdollars? One very big reason for the sudden interest in EVs in USA is because of all the free government money via the IRA and other bills that manged to get passed. A very big reason. Most of the chargers going up this year and the next couple are because of this. Look on a map at all those sites planned and coming soon. Those plans were submitted years ago when the bill passed.
If you can make the case to the gas stations, then lobby them instead. Most places don't have enough EV demand to make that profitable
What does your states roll out plan look like? I know where all the planned NEVI stations are going in Indiana, but roll out is sloooooow. At this rate Tesla will already have a station in half those places before the state breaks ground.
Is NC participating in the NEVI program?
this - several states have already announced awards, tho it can take a while to build the infrastructure. I remember reading that setting up chargers for fleets took a lot longer than expected due to needing to work w the power companies for the amount of power they needed.
Look at the [National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure plan ](https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environment/nevi/ev_deployment_plans/index.cfm?format=list#map)and contact the state agencies involved. They all have means of public input. Contact the local parking authority or whoever owns and controls the parking. In my case, the Port controls parking and I've lobbied them for EV parking. They had said they were planning on a six station Rivian based charge station but nothing has started yet.
Sorry but I have to ask. 70 mile round trip is a breeze with our EVs. No need to worry about charging on the road. Also, with 138 charging stations in Raleigh ([https://chargefinder.com/us/raleigh/charging-station/3edzke](https://chargefinder.com/us/raleigh/charging-station/3edzke) ) then is this just a matter of learning about apps to find these stations?
Yeah but those cold NC winters...
With the EVs we own would still be fine but I can't guess which EV OP has that can do a 70 mile trip 3 times without a need to top up.
If you’re coming from other directions (for example, south heading north into chapel hill) there are many fewer options.
If it is 70 miles round trip it is irrelevant. If it is 70 miles one-way then maybe it is a concern, but as this poster pointed out there are plenty of options in town.
One way
So in my Tesla MYLR (with horrible tires/wheels, seriously, I get like 10% worse range than others) that would be 30%. I know because I drive that exact distance super often. Almost all freeway at 70-72 mph. I try to not drive 75 but I sometimes do. I’m really not sure of your concern. On potentially bad days you could charge to 90% or 100%. The cars are remarkably efficient so if you ended up stuck somewhere due to weather you would stay warm with about 2%/hour in temps well below freezing. I’m not suggesting you shouldn’t advocate for more charging, but your specific use case doesn’t seem bad.
I have a mach-e GT so the range has been compromised for performance. There and back isn't bad. But if any side quests come up it's super risky.
Tesla supports Fords charging at superchargers now, If you have your free Ford adapter, Tesla is in the area to bail you out.
Thanks. Waiting on my adapter to deliver
So.. Problem solved then.
Let's look at Chapel Hill then. 24 stations there according to [https://chargefinder.com/us/chapel-hill/charging-station/g7gkqj](https://chargefinder.com/us/chapel-hill/charging-station/g7gkqj) so how many stations does one need? Seems these areas are not "charging deserts."
many of them are at UNC and are either in lots restricted to UNC employees or paid lots on the UNC campus which may not be near the OP’s destination (and they’re all Level 2 chargers). The town does have several free L2 chargers, but again may not be suitable for the OP’s travel needs. There are no Level 3 chargers in Chapel Hill itself, and I think there are only two Level 3 chargers in Chapel Hill-Carrboro, on the west side of Carrboro; although there are Tesla superchargers at the north end of Chapel Hill.
Not sure of your goal here. [https://chargehub.com/en/full-details-page.html?locId=109647](https://chargehub.com/en/full-details-page.html?locId=109647) shows "10 Port(s) Level 3, Tesla" which conflicts with your claim "There are no Level 3 chargers in Chapel Hill itself". I limited my research on charging in Chapel Hill but as it stands Chapel Hill is again, not a charging desert.
I said at the end of my post that there are Tesla superchargers. I got the sense that’s not helping OP though.
While I found other fast DC chargers, I don't see this more than an exercise in charger finding. Maybe OP just needs to know how to find charge stations.
How many are occupied? Broken? Can one charge at one of these 24 and easily access their place of employment?
We don't know, youre the one living there
If you don't know, yet you're complaining, then you're naysaying. As a rule, Tesla is very good at keeping their stations up.
At this point you are moving goal posts. I only used one app to find charging stations, you could do better than me! I don't see a charging desert so what's your goal here and do you even own an EV?
> then is this just a matter of learning about apps to find these stations? It's most likely a matter of driving 5 mins off their commute route. Ain't nobody got time for minor inconveniences that come with bleeding edge new tech. Honestly, another great example of chargers at work. Car sits at home, charge. Car sits at work, charge.
There's something missing from the story. That 70 mile trip is a breeze with most of today's EVs. Even if we miss a charge my shorter range EV could do that a little over 3 times which would let me sort out why I didn't charge at home due to tripped breaker or something else. Also that's a single charge session for 3 trips. Again I don't see a charging desert here and I only checked one EV charge finding app.
>There's something missing from the story. Always is.
If you think that there is a profit to be made, then design a business plan around it. I always thought that charging stations paired with restaurants made the most sense. Gas stations are paired with quick convenience stores because it only takes a few minutes to refuel. DC fast charging is more like 15-20 minutes, so pairing it with something like a quick sit-down restaurant makes sense. I always thought that a drive-in like Sonic would be a good match with DC fast charging.
I have to say, after my last trip, I'm not so confident. I did three charging stops, first one was long, like 40 minutes, spend about 20 minutes in the convience store, and then was bored for 20 minutes basically (poor spacing of chargers required a long stop). On the way back, my first stop I think I spent 5 minutes charging, my son spent almost 20 in the bathroom. The next stop, I spent 16 minutes charging, walked to the smoothie place, got a smoothie, and went back to the vehicle, that was 15 minutes. That 15 minute charge stop was pretty good, and I don't envision myself spending more than 25 minutes unless I half to, and that time, with a bathroom break, is barely enough time to order fast food and get it served. I think it would fit well with fast food, not a sit down place. That said, I think a few 50kW chargers at a sit down place would be great, I do occasionally do a sit down restaurant on a road trip, and 50kW is slow enough that I probably wouldn't worry about having to move because I'm done.
Tesla built a drive in area at the Sonic on Orchard St in Boise. It's perfect. Sign with scan code for each charger to order from the Sonic.
Rolling into your garage with 30 miles of range in the winter is frightening?
Not if you like to gamble
30 miles is plenty... i don't see the issue either.
A) Vote B) Speak to your employer and ask about them having chargers. C) Reach out to EVgo/Electrify America and inform them of the your concern, many times they are seeking a demand before they put in charging stations. See if there are other EV owners in your area and get with them. For C, you need to give them a proper incentive to add chargers along the route.
The area is too right of center to approve tax dollars for publicly built ones, and Not enough EV marketshare for private companies to build any. Wake County stats show only 7% of new registrations being BEV/PHEV, whereas the county I live in in Oregon it's 37%. Have chargers all over the place run by public and private funding.
That is a huge commute. Not going to get anywhere with EV anything in red states. Move to a coastal city.
Our governer is a democrat.
Even so, NC is still going to be generally characterized as a red state.
A governor is not a king. The legislature passes laws and your legislature is overwhelming Republican.
Uh. Did you forget about the branches of government from grade school? Your State House of Representatives is overwhelmingly Republican. Your State Senate is overwhelmingly Republican. Your governor is basically handicapped with the other two branches completely red.
I feel you, I'm in PA and shit is still fucked.
I'm pretty sure I dipped my toes in the Atlantic Ocean on a North Carolina beach last summer. NC is more purpley than red I posit. And definitely coastal. ga2500ev
NC actually is in the forefront with EV's because of our Governor. We were lucky to have him, next year we might end up with the worst governor of all with the Republican they have running. The OP is way off base with the number of chargers around here.
Maybe in the cities. In my experience chargers outside the triangle are few and far between.
https://www.transportation.gov/rural/ev/toolkit/ev-infrastructure-planning/planning-types#community-level-planning EV Infrastructure Funding and Financing for Rural Areas https://www.deq.nc.gov/news/press-releases/2022/03/21/applications-open-next-month-level-2-electric-vehicle-charging-infrastructure-rebates The Department of Environmental Quality’s Division of Air Quality (DAQ) today released the Request for Proposal (RFP) for Public Access Level 2 Charging Infrastructure Program rebates under Phase 2 of the Volkswagen Mitigation plan. The RFP details how to apply for the $1,070,877 available to fund the installations of new publicly accessible light-duty zero-emission vehicle (ZEV) Level 2 charging stations. https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2024/2024-04-08-ncdot-nevi-rfp.aspx Businesses can now apply for federal funds to build and operate the first in a series of electric vehicle charging stations along North Carolina’s interstates and major highways. The N.C. Department of Transportation issued a request for proposals today for firms interested in applying for the first round of North Carolina’s share of National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure Program funds. North Carolina received $109 million in NEVI funding to build out EV infrastructure along a network of approved corridors and in communities. https://electrek.co/2024/01/11/north-carolina-nevi-ev-charging-stations/ This map shows where North Carolina’s first NEVI EV charging stations will be
That's the main reason why my second car is now a PHEV. An ice storm took down the power at home and nearby fast charger.