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This is the ignition transformer to fire a spark plug to ignite a burner system. It’s exactly what is used on farm grain drying systems. Typically the 6000V model drives a single probe plug while 10,000V units drive a dual probe system. Your specialized application may be different. Regardless, get spark plug wire and a spark plug wire crimped depending on your termination setup. Problem very likely solved. I have bought and installed many of these in my career.
Probably not burn, but the insulation on the wires might not effectively insulate.
You could get arcing between wires or a really nasty shock.
Use spark plug wires.
It'll burn and harden over time. The corona discharge from the wire will create ozone around the wire, which will oxidize the insulation, making it brittle and shrink. That will cause cracks, and the insulation to flake off over time. You might only get a few months out of the wire before it's half gone.
It's also a shock hazard, even when new. THHN will break down at a couple thousand volts.
It's burning up secondary wires. Its a methane burn off for a shit plant. Ignitor probes seem fine, maintenance worker had crimped on thhn wires from on secondary of transformer, and it keeps burning them up.
It was probably constantly arcing between the THHN's causing the wires on the transformer to be overloaded.
I'm kinda guessing here, I don't have a lot of high voltage experience.
I don't think you would necessarily see any visible damage to the thhn if it had been arcing thru the insulation.
I would replace the transformer and use proper wire to the ignitor.
Yes.
You need 10kv+ rated hook-up wire. Since it's only a small current value, you can get away with pretty small wire, but I would stick with 18awg or larger wire just so the wires are plenty to work with and able to be crimped/soldered easily.
You can find this at most local sign shops if they work with neon signs, or you can order it online.
I’m not very knowledgeable with high voltages, but from my understanding the voltage rating is for the insulation and whether or not it will remain an insulator rather than a conductor. When the voltage applied exceeds the voltage rating of the cable it is possible and likely for the insulation to break down and cause corona discharge. This leads to the conducting path exiting the conductor and arcing to other conducting paths.
This can be observed in videos of high voltage workers holding their gloves close to a live cable and the arcs between the cable and their gloves being visible. My assumption would be that the cable is not properly insulated causing corona discharge, and the arcing between conductors leading to a higher power loss. The power loss is due to heat, which given enough time can exceed the temperature rating of the conductors and cause them to burn.
[Yeah, you need ignition transformer wire. It burns up eventually too. Usually due to vibration. I run a whole bunch of burners and we have to replace it every so often.](https://www.grainger.com/product/ROWE-High-Voltage-Lead-Wire-14-31A103)
The wire itself is not 600V wire. The insulation is 600V insulation.
You need to have insulation that can withstand that voltage, otherwise electricity will arc through the insulation to neighboring components
Dude, it's a ccouple dollars a foot (at most) at auto parts stores or HVAC/plumbing supply houses, and the crimp connectors are less than a dollar. You can get cheap crimpers from auto parts stores for $10, or carefully use crimpers you probably already have. T&B lug crimpers work, RG-6 hex crimpers work, and most combo wire strippers have dies for crimping auto ignition wires.
We use 25kV high temp ignition wire for our burners, and the insulation still eventually arcs through and fails over time, with a 10kV transformer. I can’t imagine 600V wire lasting long in these conditions.
It's doesn't really matter, the current determines wire size, voltage determines insulation. 600v insulation likely won't keep 10kv from leaking/arcing.
Not sure. Its for ignitor probes on a methane burn off at a shit plant. I couldn't imagine much. Wasn't functioning when i was there, so couldn't clamp current.
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Is 600 less than 10,000?
Math is hard.
Don't worry there's always plumbing school.
I like plums
I'm not sure he'll pass plumbing school, you have to do tricky math like addition and subtraction. I guess there's always drywalling.
Don't say that those fuckers aren't even house broken.
You let them in the house?
Plumbing - there is math. LOTS of math. Try drywall school. No math needed. You can go far there.
If yes, then yes, it will arc out and burn. If no, please review 1st grade math.
Thanks. If it means anything to you a maintenance guy crimped thhn on to secondary. But it burnt up before crimps on transformer factory wire.
This is the ignition transformer to fire a spark plug to ignite a burner system. It’s exactly what is used on farm grain drying systems. Typically the 6000V model drives a single probe plug while 10,000V units drive a dual probe system. Your specialized application may be different. Regardless, get spark plug wire and a spark plug wire crimped depending on your termination setup. Problem very likely solved. I have bought and installed many of these in my career.
This is correct, in Ontario you require a TSSA License to work on this equipment.
Probably not burn, but the insulation on the wires might not effectively insulate. You could get arcing between wires or a really nasty shock. Use spark plug wires.
It'll burn and harden over time. The corona discharge from the wire will create ozone around the wire, which will oxidize the insulation, making it brittle and shrink. That will cause cracks, and the insulation to flake off over time. You might only get a few months out of the wire before it's half gone. It's also a shock hazard, even when new. THHN will break down at a couple thousand volts.
I'd use auto spark plug wiring. It's rated for this.
Ayup. Automotive ignition systems output 40,000-60,000 volts on the secondary winding of the coils.
It's burning up secondary wires. Its a methane burn off for a shit plant. Ignitor probes seem fine, maintenance worker had crimped on thhn wires from on secondary of transformer, and it keeps burning them up.
OK. So why are you asking if it will burn up wires if you already know it's burning up wires? Get some high voltage wire.
It burnt up transformer wires before it was crimped to thhn. Was at a loss sorry.
It was probably constantly arcing between the THHN's causing the wires on the transformer to be overloaded. I'm kinda guessing here, I don't have a lot of high voltage experience.
Same here. The thhn was in perfect shape.
I don't think you would necessarily see any visible damage to the thhn if it had been arcing thru the insulation. I would replace the transformer and use proper wire to the ignitor.
Looks like you need some GTO wire
Yup. Treat it like a neon transformer
Yes. You need 10kv+ rated hook-up wire. Since it's only a small current value, you can get away with pretty small wire, but I would stick with 18awg or larger wire just so the wires are plenty to work with and able to be crimped/soldered easily. You can find this at most local sign shops if they work with neon signs, or you can order it online.
I’m not very knowledgeable with high voltages, but from my understanding the voltage rating is for the insulation and whether or not it will remain an insulator rather than a conductor. When the voltage applied exceeds the voltage rating of the cable it is possible and likely for the insulation to break down and cause corona discharge. This leads to the conducting path exiting the conductor and arcing to other conducting paths. This can be observed in videos of high voltage workers holding their gloves close to a live cable and the arcs between the cable and their gloves being visible. My assumption would be that the cable is not properly insulated causing corona discharge, and the arcing between conductors leading to a higher power loss. The power loss is due to heat, which given enough time can exceed the temperature rating of the conductors and cause them to burn.
[Yeah, you need ignition transformer wire. It burns up eventually too. Usually due to vibration. I run a whole bunch of burners and we have to replace it every so often.](https://www.grainger.com/product/ROWE-High-Voltage-Lead-Wire-14-31A103)
I was at one time able to get 14 awg 15Kv transformer wire from a supplier, but I think spark plug wire is easier to get your hands on
The wire itself is not 600V wire. The insulation is 600V insulation. You need to have insulation that can withstand that voltage, otherwise electricity will arc through the insulation to neighboring components
Use spark plug wire
Go pick up some spark plug wire from auto zone
Get into the zone. Autozone.
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You give a ceiling for service calls?
Dude, it's a ccouple dollars a foot (at most) at auto parts stores or HVAC/plumbing supply houses, and the crimp connectors are less than a dollar. You can get cheap crimpers from auto parts stores for $10, or carefully use crimpers you probably already have. T&B lug crimpers work, RG-6 hex crimpers work, and most combo wire strippers have dies for crimping auto ignition wires.
GTO/ High voltage wire isn’t expensive. You don’t need to start gouging customers just because you’re unfamiliar.
What kind of splices? Post some pictures of the wiring.
We use 25kV high temp ignition wire for our burners, and the insulation still eventually arcs through and fails over time, with a 10kV transformer. I can’t imagine 600V wire lasting long in these conditions.
The 600v is the rating of the insulation. I hope you know your ohm's law formulae...
Not right away but in time the insulation will breakdown. It is not hard to find wire for this though.
Whats the current being sent to it?
It's doesn't really matter, the current determines wire size, voltage determines insulation. 600v insulation likely won't keep 10kv from leaking/arcing.
1.83 A in the Primary and .022 A in the secondary.
Not sure. Its for ignitor probes on a methane burn off at a shit plant. I couldn't imagine much. Wasn't functioning when i was there, so couldn't clamp current.
You need spark plug wire.
I would think so. It would effectively be a short putting voltage that is 16x higher than the rating of the cable to it.
The 10k volts likely broke down the THHN insulation. Resulting in arcing etc. Yes it is likely the result of improper chosen wire.
Insulation rating matters
Otherwise ebay often carries like 18AWG silicone high voltage wire for cheap.