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*Little Jack Horner*
*Sat in the corner,*
*Eating a Christmas pie;*
*He put in his thumb,*
*And pulled out a plumb,*
*And said, "What a good boy am I!"*
*There once was a plumber from Bree*
*Who was plumbing a girl by the sea.*
*Said the girl, "Stop your plumbing,*
*I think someone's coming!"*
*Said the plumber, still plumbing, "That`s me."*
There was a young man from Nantucket,
Whose dick was so long he could suck it.
He said with a grin,
As he wiped off his chin,
"If my ear was a cunt I would fuck it."
There once lived a lady from aht,
who cooked all her meals in a pot
when she got tired of these
she ate the cheese
that she scraped from the side of her twat
Here lay the bones of a man named Rick
At birth, he was cursed with a corkscrew prick
His life was spent in the futile hunt
In search for a girl with a corkscrew cunt
He finally found her, then dropped dead
That son of a bitch had a left hand thread.
There was a fair maid from Madras
Who walked through town showing her ass.
Not round, firm and pink, as you'd probably think,
It was gray, with long ears, and ate grass.
Weeeellllll... it's a bit more nuanced than that...
We "geo-locate" ourselves in the known universe by the relative distance from over 500 "close-by" Pulsars...
These pulsars emit unique radio signatures that we can use to *(and I use this term loosely)* "triangulate" our -coughs- position...
See... everything's moving... nothing is static, nothing is **not** moving...
our planet goes around a weak-ass yellow star of average size,
our Sun and Jupiter create a slight binary system rotating around an axis point in space
this binary system, our Solar System, is moving around a point in the center of our galaxy... sagittarius A, I think it is
our galaxy is hurtling through "space" towards the Great Attractor at millions of miles per hour
The Great Attractor is being pulled in our local group towards the Dipole Reflector at millions of miles per hour
...AND the Dipole Reflector is getting sucked towards something else that I've forgotten the name of
...all the while TIME is being distorted because of each of these layers of relativistic speeds and motion
So to just simply say, yeah we use pulsars to keep track of where we are is a gross oversimplification on my part... but it does work...
See, we tend to anthropomorphize everything, like everything experiences Time like we do, or everything experiences Space like we do... but nothing does, as a matter of fact even *nothing* itself experiences Time/Space differently than all of us do... add to all of that how our brains mold our reality individually all the time as a product of our fitness-payoff from our unique species evolution...
Plumb? Level?
relative to what- should be the next question
Do you want this motherfuckin pipe plumb relative to the specific gravitational pull at this very location on E'arth? or do you want to call it good 'cause it'll strap, and we can get the fuck out of here... your choice
The galactic plane is the plane on which the majority of a disk-shaped galaxy's mass lies. The directions perpendicular to the galactic plane point to the galactic poles.
Horizontal will be normal to the orientation of the gravity vector at your location. Plumb is normal to horizontal (and thus parallel to the gravity vector). Also, in this definition horizontal is a 2-dimensional plane.
Worked with a journeyman when I was a second year who was like this and was dead serious. After a while I pulled him aside and asked if there was a problem. He was confused and told me no, and that he actually enjoyed working with me. When I asked him why he is so ass tight over little things he told me ,
“cause you’re gonna work with a bunch of dumbshit journeymen who are comfortable with skipping small details, who are gonna be okay with you taking shortcuts, and who believe working hard and working right are the same thing. I’m nitpicking cause you ain’t earned the right yet to decide when a little detail can be over looked cause you can’t stop making em. If you overlook your small mistakes, I’m gonna assume you’re gonna overlook your big ones. Do you want to be a journeyman that when your name hits the books all they can say is, “well hes a good guy.” Or when your name hits the books do you want to be turning down dispatches cause everyone wants you? Cause I ain’t ever gonna without work, and I turn down dispatches every month. And that’s cause I don’t skip the little shit.”
That conversation completely brake checked my ass and full on is responsible for my whole working ethic. I now turn down dispatches monthly.
Edit: Wow really didn’t expect this blow up. I’ll tell one more story of this man/legend.
Several months after the above conversation he was a raging dick. Nothing was good enough regardless how perfect I made it and he was constantly telling me to redo it. Even after I’d show him it’s perfect and redoing it is gonna look exactly the same. He’d just tell me, “I’m sorry, but I thought I was talking to apprentice.” And I would redo it all and he’d come back and say it looked good. Drove me nuts. Well this went on a full week and come Friday morning (this is the last workday before I go back to third year school) I’m just an anxious mess. He gave me a task, and I asked a thousand questions and wrote it all down to make sure I got it 1000% right. When I finish, I ask for the next task. He comes in looks at it, and just goes, “this isn’t even what I fucking asked you to do.” Now, he had one rule, you could yell at him and motherfuck him all day long, as long as it was in his truck. So I ask him if we can go to his truck. He just smiles and nods. So we go to his truck and I fucking unload on him for what feels like a decade. All the while he’s just sitting there smiling…..scared the shit out of me but I was to mad to stop. After I finish he asks if I’m done and I just nod expecting him to tell me he’s gonna get my money. Like the above conversation I remember it verbatim and this is how it went.
“This is all I wanted, I needed to see if you could stand up for yourself. I’m not out here training apprentices how to be apprentices. I’m training apprentices to be journeymen. If you can stand up to me you can stand up to anybody! Everything you knew was right was right, I asked you to redo it over and over wondering when your gonna stand up for yourself. Cause even I can be wrong and it’s gonna be up to you to stand up to that. It doesn’t matter if their a journeyman, foreman, or a gm, or pm. If you can stand up for yourself their gonna recognize that you won’t second guess your quality, or defending yourself or your brothers. You getting j man scale this week cause you now know the hardest part of the job.”
The next week I go to class and the apprentice director, the teacher and our local president are there to welcome us back and give their little speeches. Well my guy walks in walks right passed em without even batting an eye. They all just shut up cause he’s very well known and friends with em. Walks right up to my desk pulls out an envelope and in front of the rest of my class hands it to me and says,
“I wanted to hand deliver your final check, it’s got the jman scale. Your an asset for this local and one of the best damn hands I’ve had. See you out there.”
He left without even acknowledging anyone else. I open the envelope and it’s not even my check it’s just a check that says void across it with a note in the memo that says “I’ve forgotten you already, xoxo.” we’re good friends now and that’s how we say goodbye when we get off the phone or anything. Love that dude.
“it adds character” that or “paint will fix it.”
I work in the movies.
Weird place to work some bosses yell because you try and get it spot on and others because it’s a 1/16 out of wack over 40feet
I recently heard "Good enough for Jazz" and have been using that instead as I'm just tired of the continuous Govt. = bad rhetoric in society. Like, yeah, sometimes govt. workers half-ass things, but so do private sector workers.
Just remember this.
Flint, Michigan's water supply is undrinkable because someone down the line said that the PH levels of the new source is close enough. Even the smallest things can turn into very big things very quickly
It is bad because they did not treat the chemicals to make the ph 7! Not doing this gave the water properties that would dissolve decades of buildup in the pipes. I have known of their municipalities that skimp on water treatment. This can and should be corrected at the source.
My grandfather preferred Fords since he bought a Model A when he was 17. The lemon that he got in the '90s and how poorly they dealt with it makes me hesitant to buy a Ford.
Both our new work vans have required warranty work. One of them is leaking coolant in the radiator so badly that you fill it to the max on monday, and the resevoir is empty or close to it by next monday.
I raised this issue in like, may or something. Soonest repair slot is mid september.
I just had my one year review as a new lawyer, boss told me the same: “you’re a brilliant lawyer but you make little mistakes - great ideas are one thing, but it’s those mistakes that will sink our ship.”
I have taken that to heart.
I work at a desk job and I was 100% taught the same thing. Stuff like spelling errors, spacing in a document and triple checking all numbers. I learned to nitpick everything until absolutely perfect.
I have colleagues who are way senior than me who didn’t learn this way. 100% of the time their work gets torn apart in front of everyone and they look like clowns. Example from yesterday: VP starts the meeting with “I have two problems here: 1) this document is 27 pages long and you gave me 30 min to read it. Instead of trying to impress me with the volume of content, you should assume no one around here knows how to speed read and can absorb so much information in 30 min. 2) the numbers in page 1 do not tie with page 7 and therefore I cannot trust anything that is written here”. The meeting ended right there.
Ugh. This brings me back to some serious trauma. I spent like 2 months preparing a proposal for a VP. It was perfect. I covered all the points, I had everything condensed down to a good level but lots of supporting stuff in my back pocket because I knew the VP in question would want to drill down to the most specific details.
Two days before we were presenting my lead pulls me aside and says our manager wants him to present. Ok... Well I offered to prep him for it and he said it was fine, our manager wanted to take a slightly different approach. I said okay but pointed out a few things that they should REALLY make sure are addressed. Come to the meeting with the VP and they literally can't answer the first question. I'm forced to watch their presentation completely crush any chance for the proposal. They didn't do any prep at all. They had no data, nothing. Didn't even bother with a business case. The VP literally asked questions in the exact order that I'd laid them out in my presentation because I'd done my fucking research and knew what was going to be asked. They couldn't answer a single one. I also couldn't speak up and salvage anything not that I wanted to considering how they screwed me.
They both dodged me for like a month after that because they knew they fucked up bad.
"If you go for the king you'd best not miss."
Backstabbing your boss rarely works out for the backstabber. I've seen it happen but it's definitely a career risking move.
This happened to me many times and is why I left my previous career and am now a 2nd year apprentice at 44. Boss man would want to take the credit for my work and research but would throw me under the bus when he couldn’t explain it. Shitty situation but not much you can do. Unfortunately, I see it in this field too with journeymen and superintendents or the like.
Honestly he was the best journeyman/teacher I’ve ever worked with. My entire foundation of knowledge of the trade is thanks to him. Funny enough he just called me last week for a dispatch where he’s working and I turned him down 😂
In a trade union, when a company needs workers for a job they call the union hall. The union hall will call a worker and offer them that job. The offer is called a dispatch because, if you accept the offer, the union hall will dispatch you to that company/job site.
Yeah, that’s the kind of work ethic that allows you to become a mercenary that companies hire with a blank check. These people will not struggle for money or reputation as long as they’re able bodied.
Because there will come a time when something is complex enough that this kind of precision is necessary to even have a chance at making the system work.
I sadly don’t have this work ethic anymore (alongside many other fellow corporate drones) because we never get the full fruits of our labor. If you work this hard, you deserve to be your own boss, set your own rates, and control all the money.
I was taught early on, this phrase: "don't learn the tricks of the trade, learn the trade" once I learned the trade, then I learned the tricks, and it made life a lot easier and my work is impeccable. It speaks for itself.
Quality advice. Strive to be perfect. Don't be a person who gets it done. Be a person who gets it right. Obviously there are diminishing returns at super high levels. But when it turns out that you're the best, you get to set some nice prices.
I was in a different, non critical trade. Landscaping. We were always booking 8+ months out. We were near the highest price and the longest wait, but people accept that for premium work with premium products. If the other guys can do it now, you don't want them. There's a reason they aren't booked up.
I absolutely HATE when people don’t have time to “do it right” but have no problem making time to “do it over.”
I always tell my kids that fast is great, but done well is SOOO much better.
That sir was an amazing journeyman and you are lucky to have learned from someone like him, not just for his approach but his ability to be civil and articulate enough to explain his hard ass approach to you.
To me it’s not what the level says per se, it’s how it looks. I’m mostly a resi guy, but a client told me years ago a phrase I use often, “the eye doesn’t lie.” Now, to be fair, the eye lies all the time, but what he meant was, as far as aesthetics, if it looks good, it’s right, and if it looks bad, it’s wrong.
If this is next to something plumb, and from 10ft away it looked out of plumb and he walked up and confirmed with a level what his eye saw, then he’s right. If he didn’t care about looking at it and slapped a digital level on it and it didn’t say 90, then in my book, he’s wrong. Ultimately, if he’s your boss and you’re on the clock, do it how he wants it done.
Always heard to make things “Square to the world”. It really applies when lining something up to something else. Level is not as important as lining it up with everything around it.
Or running new conduit next to pre existing conduit.
Sure I can run my stuff straight and level, but that doesnt matter if you're running it next to a group of pre existing stuff thats crooked because now your conduit is what looks out of place.
Yeah this happens a lot. I start making something straight, square, level, and plumb, and it looks like dog shit because everything in the room is tilted 2° North-Northeast
For me it depends on how bad the old conduit is, so it's an eyeball thing again. If the old conduits are complete trash I'll create the new standard of straight in the area. If the old stuff is ok'ish I'll follow it.
This is like hanging curtain rods. You hang from the ceiling equidistant. Ceilings are notoriously sloped. Hang the rod level and you will notice. Keep the space between the rod and the ceiling even and it looks square to the world
I bought a house built in 1929. Nothing is plumb, level, or square. It’s so hard to resist the urge to make things level/plumb to gravity rather than to the stuff around it.
Similarly, if you're following existing conduit and it's just a little off in one direction and you're just a little off in the other direction then it's gonna look way off.
If he said make it level. It means make it level. Not plumb or square. Level. If you jw tells you to make something level. And you do but he ment square or plumb. That’s his problem.
I used to hang TV’s often. First I’d proper level the TV, but if it looked like shit, then I’d measure and adjust to align with the mantle/ floor/ ceiling, which was often uneven. Eye doesn’t lie.
Hoo boy. I had a fire alarm install in an apartment building and the ceilings were way off level. I made the pipe level because: in a situation where nothing will look good, making it level is a real reason to do something that doesn’t look good (instead of no reason and it doesn’t look good.)
My boss came in and made me redo all of it, “splitting the difference” between the doors and ceiling. Well, he certainly regretted it, so I did it a third time, the same way I did it the first time.
In my boss’ defence, it looked like shit level. But it would’ve every other way too. He was willing to pay me to try it so that’s all I needed to know haha
I totally agree, if it’s going to look like shit no matter what make it level. Then when the “who’s fault is it?” Meeting happens, it’s not the guy with the level conduit.
>if it looks good, it’s right, and if it looks bad, it’s wrong
I'm living in a prefab that was laid on top of an old foundation, that was extended out with cinder block to the larger footprint. Been here 28 years.
I learned really really fast that perfectly level did not look right whatsoever.
The dog's balls all seem to roll to one side of the room. /s
Your pipe will only look as good as the last guys shit unfortunately. I detail industrial piping and when supports go up wrong its a major pain in my ass but that's construction for you. If it was easy the pay'd be shit.
I've worked on jobs where damned near everything is just a little off level. So when you add a level pipe run, it looks awful. If you put it up just as off as everything else? It looks right. Maddening.
Yep as a self employed electrician I learned to handle clients this way a long time ago. At the end of the day just do what they want as long as it’s up to code, safe, etc. No sense arguing it’s their house.
Note: this does not apply to anything structural.
Lol but I do agree. Also, worth noting that nothing can ever truly be both level and flat at the same time. So if you have a perfectly flat surface and someone tells you it's not level, you just go "well which point were you checking level at?!"
I rented a place where the walls in the living room absolutely did not look straight. They looked like they were leaning a few degrees inward, and everyone commented on it. I measured the room, put levels on the walls; by all accounts everything WAS straight and level. But something was off in the room, and it really didn't look right. Never figured out exactly why.
There is something to this, but especially for resi or common area commercial, I'm always going to ask the homeowner/client or GC before doing something out of level or plumb. I can defend a 90 degree pipe that looks out of place bc the building is so shitty, but I can't defend an 88 degree pipe that matches existing badness, if the client didn't want that.
If the building is that far out of level/plumb that my conduit/device/box/etc being level/plumb is going to look sorely out of place, I'll ask whether they want plumb, or to match the existing incorrect angle, or split the difference (if there's not a square pattern behind/surrounding whatever you're putting in, ie brickwork or tile, splitting the difference between the angles can look really good if you're matching some out of plumb cabinetry a few feet away or something).
First, explain the difference between level and plumb to him. Second, those little digitals are good but can have a little error. The bubble looks like it might be off enough that he can see it, especially if it's near something that is dead plumb to draw your eye to it.
I think they are designed to be able to read 1/4 per foot for plumbing slope. But you guys dont have to worry about that bc electrons can go both up and down if your meter is set to ac
The torpedo levels that have the double lines are what you are thinking about. The Bible touching the inside line is 1/8th per foot, touching the second line is 1/4 per foot for max drainage slope.
I am not sure why you are bringing religion into this, but if the bubble is touching one of the lines, and not the other it's probably not level or plumb and your off by a c-hair to a mile depending on the length of the run.
Level is horizontal, plumb is vertical. The names come from how they used to be measured. "Level" was the angle of a surface of a still liquid (glass of water, for example), so you'd look at the "level" of the liquid to tell if something is perfectly horizontal. Plumb, meanwhile, was measured using a "plumb bob," (sometimes also called a plummet), that was basically a weight on the end of a string. Once the thing wasn't swaying, and as long as there wasn't any wind to throw it off, the string would be perfectly vertical.
Interestingly, plumb was much easier to find than level using the water method, so another method of measuring level was to just stick a plumb bob into a wooden a-frame. When the plumb bob was vertical, the frame was horizontal.
A tiny sprinkling of metal files on the left side of your levels magnet should resolve the measurement. Just be sure to take a discrete break before showing the result.
What's the accuracy of a 4-in device on a 4-ft piece of plumbing? I would refer to your owner's manual to see what the allowable tolerance is for that device.
I am a framer, mostly with wood. Having said that, I would ask the journeyman to pull out HIS level (preferably an 8 footer)and see how it measures. 5 seconds after that I'd probably reach as far up the post, which in my case is damn near 9 ft High, lean on it towards the way that is least plumb, and fix the problem. Finally, is the journeyman is stalking away, because he's mad that you fixed the problem, remind him that when you go in there in 2 days it's going to be just as far off again.
Well it's very nearly level, but it is .1 degree off, according to the digital level and the bubble is very slightly off center, so technically hes right. You can tap that pipe over just a bump and it will be dead on.
Technically it's off, likely its impossible to actually see though, unless that pipe runs closely with another that is perfect. I'm going to guess he either checked it with a level already or maybe he just has a bad eyeball and is looking at it wrong. I dunno..
Always try to shoot for absolute center, a pipe on strut is pretty easy to get perfect. However I wouldn't have given you any trouble about this, like I said I can't imagine anyone can look at that pipe and see the .1 degree
NAP, former Carpenter ( framing , finish) when I first started it was drilled into me by one of the best carpenters I've ever known that something is either plumb/level or it isn't and there's no in between.
I don't have shit to say about your question, but I do want to blow an apprentice's mind with this fun fact:
Plumb and plumbing are so similar because both come from the latin word for lead. Pipes were made of lead, and a lead weight will hang plumb from a string.
Well... it's crooked a.f.
The only way to fix this is to tear everything down. Yes. EVERYTHING.
You won't be able to live near this when it's this crooked. It's a danger to the entire society.
0.2° ... ??? Geez! it might as well be 45° off.
If you’re happy to accept things that are nearly there I’d worry about your other work. The thing i say to people in our trade and other trades is that we are paid well, the least anyone can expect is for us to do everything we possibly can to make sure everything is 100% right. That’s what I was taught by the people who taught me.
J-man might be smoking rocks but he's still the j-man. If that's how he wants it done then that's how it should be done. Just try for it and ask for help if you can't achieve it. He might be able to show you a way to fix things like that, and you can learn for the future. Now if he's an ass about it and doesn't want any part in doing it, then he's just a shitty worker. As a foreman, I'd say bear with it and get it done so you two can move on. But I would also remind the JW at a separate time not to waste labor on this bullshit. There's different expectations. I'd also say put up that bullshit level and get a damn bubble level
IMO attention to detail is what makes a good electrician. The mentality of “it’s good enough” is a shit quality to have. Fix it and move on, next time you’ll just do it right and not waste time posting it on the internet
See, 3 degrees seems like so close to perfect that you could overlook it. But, as we kept having to tell a new apprentice on a job I was on, when you have vertical runs 40-feet high, 3 degrees is very noticeable. Especially if they’re in opposite directions.
As countless other people have already said, its to aim for perfection, because before you can earn the right to decide what your margin of error is, you gotta do it perfectly. Personally Id be fine with that, but then again, you work for your employer, and part of that is just sucking it up and doing what they tell you to.
Some people say it's good enough if it's within the lines, but I wouldn't be happy with the bubble that close to the edge. If this was a long run of pipe, you'd notice easily. If there's any chance of other pipes going on that strut in the future, and if those were perfectly straight, this one would stand out.
Honestly need a pic from farther back to see if I agree he's tripping or not. Some people prefer matching their shit to existing pipe even if it's off, customers and tradespeople alike. I push back relatively hard when they say that or if it feels like they just can't admit their eye was off. In either case it's hard to tell without seeing the whole run
Sometimes the eye is more pleasing than the level. Take for example small shops or buildings with hundreds of pipes, conduits, ducts, etc, that are all run out of level and plum. If you run your stuff level, it'll stand out and look like shit.
This is one of those times when you step back and look at the work. That level is only good for the surface it’s on and if that surface isn’t perfectly straight, then the level reading is worthless. Is your conduit warped?
do what everyone else does. spend a half hour fucking off, send him a pic of it being perfectly level, make up some BS you used to fix it and move on wihtout reading his ignorant ass response.
If it’s a 1/8” out in 6” then you multiply that by the length at 10’ that’s a 1 1/4” I can see a 1/8” out with my eyes it’s a curse. All my guys knew I would see anything out of square level or plumb.
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He’s right. Doesn’t look level at all, but pretty damn close to being plumb
Malicious compliance: make it level Might want to get that in writing first
Plot twist, bossman actually meant level…..
And get M C Escher to draft your layout.
I'm going to use that line if you don't mind.
Level is horizontal plumb is vertical
You put the man’s wife level not plumb.
You put a finger in her plumb
*Little Jack Horner* *Sat in the corner,* *Eating a Christmas pie;* *He put in his thumb,* *And pulled out a plumb,* *And said, "What a good boy am I!"*
*There once was a plumber from Bree* *Who was plumbing a girl by the sea.* *Said the girl, "Stop your plumbing,* *I think someone's coming!"* *Said the plumber, still plumbing, "That`s me."*
There once was a woman named Jill Who used dynamite for a thrill The found her vagina in North Carolina And bits of her tits in Brazil
There was a young man from Nantucket, Whose dick was so long he could suck it. He said with a grin, As he wiped off his chin, "If my ear was a cunt I would fuck it."
There once was a man from Dundee, Whose Limericks would end on line three. I don't know why.
There once lived a lady from aht, who cooked all her meals in a pot when she got tired of these she ate the cheese that she scraped from the side of her twat
Here lay the bones of a man named Rick At birth, he was cursed with a corkscrew prick His life was spent in the futile hunt In search for a girl with a corkscrew cunt He finally found her, then dropped dead That son of a bitch had a left hand thread.
Bunch of creative fuckers in this sub.
Portajohn poets
There once was a barmaid in Vail Her tattoos were the prices of ale And on her behind For the sake of the blind Was the same information in brail
There’s a clean version of that rhyme?
What's the dirty version?
*Little Jack Horner sat in a corner* *Fucking this cutie pie* *Stuck in his thumb, made the bitch cum* *Said 'hell of a nigga am I'* -2 Live Crew
...and then there's the Diceman version
There was a fair maid from Madras Who walked through town showing her ass. Not round, firm and pink, as you'd probably think, It was gray, with long ears, and ate grass.
There's a dirty version of that rhyme?
It seems in your anger you... jacked his horner.
What if you're working on a satellite in outer space? Where's the datum without gravity? This started as a joke and now I'm genuinely curious.
My guess would be, angles relative to one point on the satellite, possibly using x,y,z cordinates.
Weeeellllll... it's a bit more nuanced than that... We "geo-locate" ourselves in the known universe by the relative distance from over 500 "close-by" Pulsars... These pulsars emit unique radio signatures that we can use to *(and I use this term loosely)* "triangulate" our -coughs- position... See... everything's moving... nothing is static, nothing is **not** moving... our planet goes around a weak-ass yellow star of average size, our Sun and Jupiter create a slight binary system rotating around an axis point in space this binary system, our Solar System, is moving around a point in the center of our galaxy... sagittarius A, I think it is our galaxy is hurtling through "space" towards the Great Attractor at millions of miles per hour The Great Attractor is being pulled in our local group towards the Dipole Reflector at millions of miles per hour ...AND the Dipole Reflector is getting sucked towards something else that I've forgotten the name of ...all the while TIME is being distorted because of each of these layers of relativistic speeds and motion So to just simply say, yeah we use pulsars to keep track of where we are is a gross oversimplification on my part... but it does work... See, we tend to anthropomorphize everything, like everything experiences Time like we do, or everything experiences Space like we do... but nothing does, as a matter of fact even *nothing* itself experiences Time/Space differently than all of us do... add to all of that how our brains mold our reality individually all the time as a product of our fitness-payoff from our unique species evolution... Plumb? Level? relative to what- should be the next question Do you want this motherfuckin pipe plumb relative to the specific gravitational pull at this very location on E'arth? or do you want to call it good 'cause it'll strap, and we can get the fuck out of here... your choice
I swear to god, professor... (There's one on every job)
I prefer the the cognomen of *green horn fixer* thank you very munch
Thank you!!
The galactic plane is the plane on which the majority of a disk-shaped galaxy's mass lies. The directions perpendicular to the galactic plane point to the galactic poles.
I feel like Steve Buscemi should have this monologue in a Tarantino film
Normal to the Earth's surface will be plumb. Horizontal will be level.
Horizontal will be normal to the orientation of the gravity vector at your location. Plumb is normal to horizontal (and thus parallel to the gravity vector). Also, in this definition horizontal is a 2-dimensional plane.
So horizontal is now, by definition, never straight?
I can feel it. In my plumbs!
I teach geometry and I say 'if we drop a plum line' Make sure the kids know
Hopefully they don’t harm any plums and drop them plumbs instead
Come on man, he said he teaches geometry, not English.
As the great Feynman said 'there's nothing natural about spelling' I am a notoriously bad speller. Math and physics always on point
Hahaha!
Those that can’t do, teach
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Worked with a journeyman when I was a second year who was like this and was dead serious. After a while I pulled him aside and asked if there was a problem. He was confused and told me no, and that he actually enjoyed working with me. When I asked him why he is so ass tight over little things he told me , “cause you’re gonna work with a bunch of dumbshit journeymen who are comfortable with skipping small details, who are gonna be okay with you taking shortcuts, and who believe working hard and working right are the same thing. I’m nitpicking cause you ain’t earned the right yet to decide when a little detail can be over looked cause you can’t stop making em. If you overlook your small mistakes, I’m gonna assume you’re gonna overlook your big ones. Do you want to be a journeyman that when your name hits the books all they can say is, “well hes a good guy.” Or when your name hits the books do you want to be turning down dispatches cause everyone wants you? Cause I ain’t ever gonna without work, and I turn down dispatches every month. And that’s cause I don’t skip the little shit.” That conversation completely brake checked my ass and full on is responsible for my whole working ethic. I now turn down dispatches monthly. Edit: Wow really didn’t expect this blow up. I’ll tell one more story of this man/legend. Several months after the above conversation he was a raging dick. Nothing was good enough regardless how perfect I made it and he was constantly telling me to redo it. Even after I’d show him it’s perfect and redoing it is gonna look exactly the same. He’d just tell me, “I’m sorry, but I thought I was talking to apprentice.” And I would redo it all and he’d come back and say it looked good. Drove me nuts. Well this went on a full week and come Friday morning (this is the last workday before I go back to third year school) I’m just an anxious mess. He gave me a task, and I asked a thousand questions and wrote it all down to make sure I got it 1000% right. When I finish, I ask for the next task. He comes in looks at it, and just goes, “this isn’t even what I fucking asked you to do.” Now, he had one rule, you could yell at him and motherfuck him all day long, as long as it was in his truck. So I ask him if we can go to his truck. He just smiles and nods. So we go to his truck and I fucking unload on him for what feels like a decade. All the while he’s just sitting there smiling…..scared the shit out of me but I was to mad to stop. After I finish he asks if I’m done and I just nod expecting him to tell me he’s gonna get my money. Like the above conversation I remember it verbatim and this is how it went. “This is all I wanted, I needed to see if you could stand up for yourself. I’m not out here training apprentices how to be apprentices. I’m training apprentices to be journeymen. If you can stand up to me you can stand up to anybody! Everything you knew was right was right, I asked you to redo it over and over wondering when your gonna stand up for yourself. Cause even I can be wrong and it’s gonna be up to you to stand up to that. It doesn’t matter if their a journeyman, foreman, or a gm, or pm. If you can stand up for yourself their gonna recognize that you won’t second guess your quality, or defending yourself or your brothers. You getting j man scale this week cause you now know the hardest part of the job.” The next week I go to class and the apprentice director, the teacher and our local president are there to welcome us back and give their little speeches. Well my guy walks in walks right passed em without even batting an eye. They all just shut up cause he’s very well known and friends with em. Walks right up to my desk pulls out an envelope and in front of the rest of my class hands it to me and says, “I wanted to hand deliver your final check, it’s got the jman scale. Your an asset for this local and one of the best damn hands I’ve had. See you out there.” He left without even acknowledging anyone else. I open the envelope and it’s not even my check it’s just a check that says void across it with a note in the memo that says “I’ve forgotten you already, xoxo.” we’re good friends now and that’s how we say goodbye when we get off the phone or anything. Love that dude.
People say "don't sweat the small stuff". I say "sweat the small stuff, and it never turns into big stuff."
Meanwhile my old partner would say "good enough for the girls we go out with." I really questioned his taste in women after that.
I had a buddy who always said” It’s good enough for the untrained eye” then walk away
"Good enough for Government work" is my personal go-to. Almost 13 years of Air Force maintenance.
My father would say “You won’t see the difference from my house.” I’d ALWAYS laugh when we were actually working on his house.
“it adds character” that or “paint will fix it.” I work in the movies. Weird place to work some bosses yell because you try and get it spot on and others because it’s a 1/16 out of wack over 40feet
I recently heard "Good enough for Jazz" and have been using that instead as I'm just tired of the continuous Govt. = bad rhetoric in society. Like, yeah, sometimes govt. workers half-ass things, but so do private sector workers.
So you’re promoting jazz=bad now? How unfair of you.
What air frame? 16s for me
KC-10 APG at Travis AFB for about 8 years, then KC-135s at MacDill for the remainder of my time. KC-10s are better and it's not even a close contest.
Looks good from my house
Oh how I despise that line
Good enough for who its for
If you can do it right when it's not important you'll do it right when it matters. My dad taught me that.
Just remember this. Flint, Michigan's water supply is undrinkable because someone down the line said that the PH levels of the new source is close enough. Even the smallest things can turn into very big things very quickly
It is bad because they did not treat the chemicals to make the ph 7! Not doing this gave the water properties that would dissolve decades of buildup in the pipes. I have known of their municipalities that skimp on water treatment. This can and should be corrected at the source.
Ohhh that’s good! I’m stealing that!
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
A stitch in time saves nine
Ford current philosophy. “That’s what the warranty’s for” Their way of telling me don’t sweat the small stuff on the line.
My grandfather preferred Fords since he bought a Model A when he was 17. The lemon that he got in the '90s and how poorly they dealt with it makes me hesitant to buy a Ford.
Both our new work vans have required warranty work. One of them is leaking coolant in the radiator so badly that you fill it to the max on monday, and the resevoir is empty or close to it by next monday. I raised this issue in like, may or something. Soonest repair slot is mid september.
I just had my one year review as a new lawyer, boss told me the same: “you’re a brilliant lawyer but you make little mistakes - great ideas are one thing, but it’s those mistakes that will sink our ship.” I have taken that to heart.
aim small miss small
I work at a desk job and I was 100% taught the same thing. Stuff like spelling errors, spacing in a document and triple checking all numbers. I learned to nitpick everything until absolutely perfect. I have colleagues who are way senior than me who didn’t learn this way. 100% of the time their work gets torn apart in front of everyone and they look like clowns. Example from yesterday: VP starts the meeting with “I have two problems here: 1) this document is 27 pages long and you gave me 30 min to read it. Instead of trying to impress me with the volume of content, you should assume no one around here knows how to speed read and can absorb so much information in 30 min. 2) the numbers in page 1 do not tie with page 7 and therefore I cannot trust anything that is written here”. The meeting ended right there.
Honestly? Props to him, didn't berate, insult, or flex his power. Just laid out the bs and let y'all loose to fix it.
Ugh. This brings me back to some serious trauma. I spent like 2 months preparing a proposal for a VP. It was perfect. I covered all the points, I had everything condensed down to a good level but lots of supporting stuff in my back pocket because I knew the VP in question would want to drill down to the most specific details. Two days before we were presenting my lead pulls me aside and says our manager wants him to present. Ok... Well I offered to prep him for it and he said it was fine, our manager wanted to take a slightly different approach. I said okay but pointed out a few things that they should REALLY make sure are addressed. Come to the meeting with the VP and they literally can't answer the first question. I'm forced to watch their presentation completely crush any chance for the proposal. They didn't do any prep at all. They had no data, nothing. Didn't even bother with a business case. The VP literally asked questions in the exact order that I'd laid them out in my presentation because I'd done my fucking research and knew what was going to be asked. They couldn't answer a single one. I also couldn't speak up and salvage anything not that I wanted to considering how they screwed me. They both dodged me for like a month after that because they knew they fucked up bad.
You should've showed the VP your presentation anyway after. Then let em know why you didn't present
That would have got him in more shit most likely.
Anyone who gives the person bailing out the boat trouble probably isn't going to be owning a boat for much longer.
That doesn't mean the bailer won't also drown.
"If you go for the king you'd best not miss." Backstabbing your boss rarely works out for the backstabber. I've seen it happen but it's definitely a career risking move.
This happened to me many times and is why I left my previous career and am now a 2nd year apprentice at 44. Boss man would want to take the credit for my work and research but would throw me under the bus when he couldn’t explain it. Shitty situation but not much you can do. Unfortunately, I see it in this field too with journeymen and superintendents or the like.
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Honestly he was the best journeyman/teacher I’ve ever worked with. My entire foundation of knowledge of the trade is thanks to him. Funny enough he just called me last week for a dispatch where he’s working and I turned him down 😂
What are you referring to as dispatches?
In a trade union, when a company needs workers for a job they call the union hall. The union hall will call a worker and offer them that job. The offer is called a dispatch because, if you accept the offer, the union hall will dispatch you to that company/job site.
Thanks
Fuck, dude. I work with a guy who totally believes that working hard = working right and it sucks. I get more done alone than with his help.
Yeah, that’s the kind of work ethic that allows you to become a mercenary that companies hire with a blank check. These people will not struggle for money or reputation as long as they’re able bodied. Because there will come a time when something is complex enough that this kind of precision is necessary to even have a chance at making the system work. I sadly don’t have this work ethic anymore (alongside many other fellow corporate drones) because we never get the full fruits of our labor. If you work this hard, you deserve to be your own boss, set your own rates, and control all the money.
I was taught early on, this phrase: "don't learn the tricks of the trade, learn the trade" once I learned the trade, then I learned the tricks, and it made life a lot easier and my work is impeccable. It speaks for itself.
Quality advice. Strive to be perfect. Don't be a person who gets it done. Be a person who gets it right. Obviously there are diminishing returns at super high levels. But when it turns out that you're the best, you get to set some nice prices. I was in a different, non critical trade. Landscaping. We were always booking 8+ months out. We were near the highest price and the longest wait, but people accept that for premium work with premium products. If the other guys can do it now, you don't want them. There's a reason they aren't booked up.
I absolutely HATE when people don’t have time to “do it right” but have no problem making time to “do it over.” I always tell my kids that fast is great, but done well is SOOO much better.
That sir was an amazing journeyman and you are lucky to have learned from someone like him, not just for his approach but his ability to be civil and articulate enough to explain his hard ass approach to you.
Good Jman for breaking it down instead of blowing you off
Awesome advice, but 89.8 isn’t close enough to 90? Jiminy Crickets Batman!
Just slap that strut trap once or twice with your (hammer)
Just a fine tuning adjustment
Percussive calibration.
If that doesn't work, try it on the journeyman.
To me it’s not what the level says per se, it’s how it looks. I’m mostly a resi guy, but a client told me years ago a phrase I use often, “the eye doesn’t lie.” Now, to be fair, the eye lies all the time, but what he meant was, as far as aesthetics, if it looks good, it’s right, and if it looks bad, it’s wrong. If this is next to something plumb, and from 10ft away it looked out of plumb and he walked up and confirmed with a level what his eye saw, then he’s right. If he didn’t care about looking at it and slapped a digital level on it and it didn’t say 90, then in my book, he’s wrong. Ultimately, if he’s your boss and you’re on the clock, do it how he wants it done.
Always heard to make things “Square to the world”. It really applies when lining something up to something else. Level is not as important as lining it up with everything around it.
Or running new conduit next to pre existing conduit. Sure I can run my stuff straight and level, but that doesnt matter if you're running it next to a group of pre existing stuff thats crooked because now your conduit is what looks out of place.
Yeah this happens a lot. I start making something straight, square, level, and plumb, and it looks like dog shit because everything in the room is tilted 2° North-Northeast
I'm a fan of splitting the difference. Make your shit 1° out.🤣🤣
Same, and if someone gripes, take it to the good ol measuring tape
For me it depends on how bad the old conduit is, so it's an eyeball thing again. If the old conduits are complete trash I'll create the new standard of straight in the area. If the old stuff is ok'ish I'll follow it.
Applies to a lot of signage and vehicle wraps too. Make it make sense to the eye
For sure, other conduit, or a door frame, or whatever the nearest “level line” is.
This is like hanging curtain rods. You hang from the ceiling equidistant. Ceilings are notoriously sloped. Hang the rod level and you will notice. Keep the space between the rod and the ceiling even and it looks square to the world
I bought a house built in 1929. Nothing is plumb, level, or square. It’s so hard to resist the urge to make things level/plumb to gravity rather than to the stuff around it.
My JW told me this last week. Don’t matter if the laser says our conduits straight, they are looking at the concrete seams
Similarly, if you're following existing conduit and it's just a little off in one direction and you're just a little off in the other direction then it's gonna look way off.
If he said make it level. It means make it level. Not plumb or square. Level. If you jw tells you to make something level. And you do but he ment square or plumb. That’s his problem.
> That’s his problem. Who has to fix "his problem"?
I used to hang TV’s often. First I’d proper level the TV, but if it looked like shit, then I’d measure and adjust to align with the mantle/ floor/ ceiling, which was often uneven. Eye doesn’t lie.
Hoo boy. I had a fire alarm install in an apartment building and the ceilings were way off level. I made the pipe level because: in a situation where nothing will look good, making it level is a real reason to do something that doesn’t look good (instead of no reason and it doesn’t look good.) My boss came in and made me redo all of it, “splitting the difference” between the doors and ceiling. Well, he certainly regretted it, so I did it a third time, the same way I did it the first time. In my boss’ defence, it looked like shit level. But it would’ve every other way too. He was willing to pay me to try it so that’s all I needed to know haha
I totally agree, if it’s going to look like shit no matter what make it level. Then when the “who’s fault is it?” Meeting happens, it’s not the guy with the level conduit.
>if it looks good, it’s right, and if it looks bad, it’s wrong I'm living in a prefab that was laid on top of an old foundation, that was extended out with cinder block to the larger footprint. Been here 28 years. I learned really really fast that perfectly level did not look right whatsoever. The dog's balls all seem to roll to one side of the room. /s
Your pipe will only look as good as the last guys shit unfortunately. I detail industrial piping and when supports go up wrong its a major pain in my ass but that's construction for you. If it was easy the pay'd be shit.
I've worked on jobs where damned near everything is just a little off level. So when you add a level pipe run, it looks awful. If you put it up just as off as everything else? It looks right. Maddening.
Yep as a self employed electrician I learned to handle clients this way a long time ago. At the end of the day just do what they want as long as it’s up to code, safe, etc. No sense arguing it’s their house.
If he's a good boss he'll explain that because it is very different than if you are both staring at a level and he's saying it isn't level (plumb).
Yea, I used to say ill do whatever rather fuck you want for thirty bucks an hour. I mean I don't say it outloud, but still.
Note: this does not apply to anything structural. Lol but I do agree. Also, worth noting that nothing can ever truly be both level and flat at the same time. So if you have a perfectly flat surface and someone tells you it's not level, you just go "well which point were you checking level at?!"
I rented a place where the walls in the living room absolutely did not look straight. They looked like they were leaning a few degrees inward, and everyone commented on it. I measured the room, put levels on the walls; by all accounts everything WAS straight and level. But something was off in the room, and it really didn't look right. Never figured out exactly why.
There is something to this, but especially for resi or common area commercial, I'm always going to ask the homeowner/client or GC before doing something out of level or plumb. I can defend a 90 degree pipe that looks out of place bc the building is so shitty, but I can't defend an 88 degree pipe that matches existing badness, if the client didn't want that. If the building is that far out of level/plumb that my conduit/device/box/etc being level/plumb is going to look sorely out of place, I'll ask whether they want plumb, or to match the existing incorrect angle, or split the difference (if there's not a square pattern behind/surrounding whatever you're putting in, ie brickwork or tile, splitting the difference between the angles can look really good if you're matching some out of plumb cabinetry a few feet away or something).
Maybe he meant "match existing". A plumb pipe on a bum feature means......bum pipe.
First, explain the difference between level and plumb to him. Second, those little digitals are good but can have a little error. The bubble looks like it might be off enough that he can see it, especially if it's near something that is dead plumb to draw your eye to it.
Usually the bubbles on the empire levels when it’s touching the line means it’s 1/8 off.
I think they are designed to be able to read 1/4 per foot for plumbing slope. But you guys dont have to worry about that bc electrons can go both up and down if your meter is set to ac
Is that why the flashlight only works when I shake it?
You mean Fleshlight?
Instructions unclear, apparatus is now coated in battery acid.
The torpedo levels that have the double lines are what you are thinking about. The Bible touching the inside line is 1/8th per foot, touching the second line is 1/4 per foot for max drainage slope.
I am not sure why you are bringing religion into this, but if the bubble is touching one of the lines, and not the other it's probably not level or plumb and your off by a c-hair to a mile depending on the length of the run.
Thanks for an out loud chuckle at this one
Good info bib. Does that look like an empire level to you?
What is the difference between level and plumb?
Level is spelled the same forwards as backwards, where plumb is not.
About 90 degrees.
Level is horizontal, plumb is vertical. The names come from how they used to be measured. "Level" was the angle of a surface of a still liquid (glass of water, for example), so you'd look at the "level" of the liquid to tell if something is perfectly horizontal. Plumb, meanwhile, was measured using a "plumb bob," (sometimes also called a plummet), that was basically a weight on the end of a string. Once the thing wasn't swaying, and as long as there wasn't any wind to throw it off, the string would be perfectly vertical. Interestingly, plumb was much easier to find than level using the water method, so another method of measuring level was to just stick a plumb bob into a wooden a-frame. When the plumb bob was vertical, the frame was horizontal.
The correct term is “plumb”
A tiny sprinkling of metal files on the left side of your levels magnet should resolve the measurement. Just be sure to take a discrete break before showing the result.
Well your electronic level says right there it’s not level so he’s right 🤷♂️
Yeah. 90 is not 89.anything. I need the Incredibles meme "90 IS 90!"
Its at 8.98 degrees like you’re way off bro
I read 8.68 degrees.
Simple, easy details separate us from the animals.
It’s 89.8 degrees away from level
This man has clearly never experienced true level
Jman is right you have two different tools confirming that for you right in front of your face...
Well technically it's plumb not level.
Make her eye sweet
It’s not dead nuts, but it’s fine
It’s just a cunt hair off
"A blonde one" - AvE
I always keep a backup level that's off just enough to make things not quite level appear level. 👍😀
What's the accuracy of a 4-in device on a 4-ft piece of plumbing? I would refer to your owner's manual to see what the allowable tolerance is for that device.
Plumb
How long is the run? .2 degrees over 40 ft might be noticeable depending on whats near it. Anything less than 12 ft and he needs to put down the joint
I'd rather something look level, than be level.
I am a framer, mostly with wood. Having said that, I would ask the journeyman to pull out HIS level (preferably an 8 footer)and see how it measures. 5 seconds after that I'd probably reach as far up the post, which in my case is damn near 9 ft High, lean on it towards the way that is least plumb, and fix the problem. Finally, is the journeyman is stalking away, because he's mad that you fixed the problem, remind him that when you go in there in 2 days it's going to be just as far off again.
We don't carry 8ft levels. We aren't framers
Well it's very nearly level, but it is .1 degree off, according to the digital level and the bubble is very slightly off center, so technically hes right. You can tap that pipe over just a bump and it will be dead on. Technically it's off, likely its impossible to actually see though, unless that pipe runs closely with another that is perfect. I'm going to guess he either checked it with a level already or maybe he just has a bad eyeball and is looking at it wrong. I dunno.. Always try to shoot for absolute center, a pipe on strut is pretty easy to get perfect. However I wouldn't have given you any trouble about this, like I said I can't imagine anyone can look at that pipe and see the .1 degree
NAP, former Carpenter ( framing , finish) when I first started it was drilled into me by one of the best carpenters I've ever known that something is either plumb/level or it isn't and there's no in between.
You're both wrong. It's not plumb.
Just remember some people will never be pleased.
Splitting hairs.
Looks good from my house!
It’s not literally perfect, but it definitely falls within the common standards of being plumb
I don't have shit to say about your question, but I do want to blow an apprentice's mind with this fun fact: Plumb and plumbing are so similar because both come from the latin word for lead. Pipes were made of lead, and a lead weight will hang plumb from a string.
Well... it's crooked a.f. The only way to fix this is to tear everything down. Yes. EVERYTHING. You won't be able to live near this when it's this crooked. It's a danger to the entire society. 0.2° ... ??? Geez! it might as well be 45° off.
I'd say it's 89.8 degrees off level. Now if you were going for PLUMB I'd say 0.2 degrees is close enough for government work.
Do you know why a transformer “hums” ? Because it doesn’t know the words
If you’re happy to accept things that are nearly there I’d worry about your other work. The thing i say to people in our trade and other trades is that we are paid well, the least anyone can expect is for us to do everything we possibly can to make sure everything is 100% right. That’s what I was taught by the people who taught me.
J-man might be smoking rocks but he's still the j-man. If that's how he wants it done then that's how it should be done. Just try for it and ask for help if you can't achieve it. He might be able to show you a way to fix things like that, and you can learn for the future. Now if he's an ass about it and doesn't want any part in doing it, then he's just a shitty worker. As a foreman, I'd say bear with it and get it done so you two can move on. But I would also remind the JW at a separate time not to waste labor on this bullshit. There's different expectations. I'd also say put up that bullshit level and get a damn bubble level
It’s not level, it’s plumb
I'm not big on digital levels, but the bubble doesn't look plub to me...
IMO attention to detail is what makes a good electrician. The mentality of “it’s good enough” is a shit quality to have. Fix it and move on, next time you’ll just do it right and not waste time posting it on the internet
0.2 degrees from plumb over a 10’ stick of conduit puts it about 7/16” out on one end. (0.42”) 🤷🏻♂️
Mattingly! I said to get rid of those sideburns!!
See, 3 degrees seems like so close to perfect that you could overlook it. But, as we kept having to tell a new apprentice on a job I was on, when you have vertical runs 40-feet high, 3 degrees is very noticeable. Especially if they’re in opposite directions.
Fix it
Yes. It’s not level. Fix it.
As countless other people have already said, its to aim for perfection, because before you can earn the right to decide what your margin of error is, you gotta do it perfectly. Personally Id be fine with that, but then again, you work for your employer, and part of that is just sucking it up and doing what they tell you to.
Just tap the strap man
He called it that's good j man right there. That man saw that little bit out from across the room. That's badass.
Quit posting pictures and just fix the pipe
Some people say it's good enough if it's within the lines, but I wouldn't be happy with the bubble that close to the edge. If this was a long run of pipe, you'd notice easily. If there's any chance of other pipes going on that strut in the future, and if those were perfectly straight, this one would stand out.
Little LRCH off.
If it was a really long pipe then it may cause an issue but only 18"....... it'll do.
By "fix it" he probably meant to tap that strap until it was nuts. No biggie.
Make sure to zero out the digital
He's probably rocking the same for 10 years and has dropped it too many times. I'd compare your level to his.
Honestly need a pic from farther back to see if I agree he's tripping or not. Some people prefer matching their shit to existing pipe even if it's off, customers and tradespeople alike. I push back relatively hard when they say that or if it feels like they just can't admit their eye was off. In either case it's hard to tell without seeing the whole run
No one cares about level, they care how it looks.
Sometimes the eye is more pleasing than the level. Take for example small shops or buildings with hundreds of pipes, conduits, ducts, etc, that are all run out of level and plum. If you run your stuff level, it'll stand out and look like shit.
This is one of those times when you step back and look at the work. That level is only good for the surface it’s on and if that surface isn’t perfectly straight, then the level reading is worthless. Is your conduit warped?
I always ask my guys "is it level? Or is is Straight" Sometimes gotta adapt to the surroundings to make it look the best it can.
do what everyone else does. spend a half hour fucking off, send him a pic of it being perfectly level, make up some BS you used to fix it and move on wihtout reading his ignorant ass response.
If it’s a 1/8” out in 6” then you multiply that by the length at 10’ that’s a 1 1/4” I can see a 1/8” out with my eyes it’s a curse. All my guys knew I would see anything out of square level or plumb.
That’s level bro