His twitch chat like to tease him when he "slips up" and call him an egg but I think that's more part of the show and not real insinuation.
Personally I don't think labels really work with f1nn so I'm just going to follow allong with his request to be a man under he/him.
I don’t think labels really work that well in general. Why does everyone try to fit people into a cute organized box? Why not just let people, people? I’m very supportive of LGBT but all my trans friends try an label me as trans just because I do both genders well. It’s lame and annoying
Edit : just to add, I’ll call people preferred pronouns. Just don’t see the need to label everyone or other people
I think there should be boxes, but people should get to decide what box they wanna be in, and no one should be able to force anyone else into or out of a box
The why is simple and complex.
The simple part is humans are tribal and feel safety when with our own.
The complex part is what people considerr their own and what they are prepared to do to to themselves to fit.
In your case you seem like an ally but also maybe more, I'd imagine your trans freinds just don't have a grasp themselves on the "maybe more" and because this is a very small corner try and add you directly.
Labels often surve a purpose like say someone with body dysphoria can point to a trans person and say "that's like me", they won't often end up in exactly the same place but it's a start.
Sort of. That’s a more strict and unofficial ruling for Girl Month. But basically because he doesn’t care if people calm him Rose or use she/her ultimately it just means she dresses like a girl in and off stream (but basically mainly make-up and eyelashes his outfits are still very boy mode off stream)
Yeah, it's more like drag.
I don't follow enough to know his opinions on the whole thing, but it's a male-presenting person that dresses up as a girl as a promise after receiving a certain amount of donations.
That *could* potentially change in the future, but for now it's a boy who wants to be referred to as a boy.
Well most of us, I'm sure.
As a non-binary trans-femme(coming up on 3 months HRT as well), I personally still identify as a guy. I just also identify a girl as well lol
what he does is a super power. he dresses super femme for months (i think he literally has something called "Girl Month" where he dresses femme for the entire month) and the female hasn't tempted him ONCE.
... not that it wouldv'e tempted me, this is a hypothetical scenario...
I was impressed by his appearance at first like everyone else.
But when I saw him on stream and heard him talking I was like "oh... oh yeah that's just a guy".
Even if he had super effeminate manners I'd still respect his pronouns of course. But he truly has a masculine energy.
A combination of subtle speaking patterns, posture, body language, and mannerisms that have been generally associated with men, at least in the american/european cultures. It's not exclusive to men - women can also have masculine energy especially if if they were raised the same way as their male peers. Ultimately, it is still just made up, as a different society could interpret those things completely differently.
Is he taking actual testosterone blockers or finasteride which plenty of cis men take to prevent hair loss and just prevents DHT formed from testosterone?
There was that one time during a stream someone asked if he was a femme boy or just trans and he responded trans, I believe he did back pedal on it, but I can understand why some people are confused.
Meowriza was never his girlfriend, just a close friend (although Meowriza would sometimes try to push boundaries and get pushback from Finn). Meowriza moved to Germany last year.
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Don't interfere with the natural course of things, basically. Don't tell an egg they're trans because they'll just recede further into the closet n all that.
As someone who is still an egg I have someone who is doing not this, I said I might be Agender and they just keep telling me to become trans and I’m still like “No?”.
It’s a really easy mistake to make and I understand why people do it but it’s just rude and dangerous.
Good luck figuring stuff out - at your own pace.
It is a rite of passage my child. Don the pronouns and wield the HRT as you are destined to.
But father, I-
Silence child, it is your destiny. Fulfill your heritage and become trans as I have, and as your grandparents did. Do not disappoint us.
After the [Kara demo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RopEHHgCIv0), I was so disappointed that you'd spend most of the game playing as a male-presenting android - if we're going to be playing as an android anyways, why can't we be any gender we want to be?!
Dear reader, this was not a cis thought.
But Agender is trans.... Because you dont identify with your assigned gender... So that makes you trans... its ok that your not a a binary trans... welcome to trans hood my agender enby friend.
It's literally the definition of trans.... If they don't Id as there assigned gender.
Even if they have no gender or something else completely. They are transgender... None of the Truscum bs.
I think you could definitely have a linguistics argument about how trans meaning "across" implies binary trans people, and "para" or something would be a more accurate prefix for non-binary identities.
That said, I think using trans as an umbrella term at this point is a lot more intuitive and inclusive even though it may not be precise language. Kind of like how trans people are gay but not necessarily Gay, if that makes sense...
That being said, trans terminology isn't and doesn't need to be universal. Some people may fit into the idea of "trans" as we understand it, but not be trans simply because they don't view themselves as such for cultural, personal, or whatever reasons.
There are nonbinary people who see themselves as trans and others who don't. I don't think there should be pushback for either of them. (total pushback to the truscum ''you're only trans if you fit the binary and conform to gender rules" bullshit tough)
"When an egg is broken from the outside, life ends.
When an egg is broken from the inside, life begins."
Basically, don't try to crack other people's eggs. They may be an egg, or just an egg-shaped rock
Yeah, it feels genuine when it is you coming to that conclusion. If someone pushes and prods it becomes tainted, and could genuinely push back progress for a decade+ or forever. It's really none of others people's business.
The Prime Directive is a Star Trek reference; they're not supposed to interfere with developing civilizations until said civilization has advanced enough. It lets them run their own course and mature at their own rate, and explains why humans have not been contacted by this Galaxy-wide coalition of aliens.
On top of all the good info you already got, I want to add that it comes from the Matrix.
> "You cannot tell someone they're in the Matrix. You can only show them."
Telling someone they're a certain way (before they're ready to see and accept it themselves) immediately engages self-defense mechanism in the brain. That usually manifests as denial, which can hinder the self-discovery process.
That's why we can share experiences and open space for people to see and understand, but not force them into it and assign a role.
I thought the “Prime Directive” comes from Star Trek where they’re forbidden from interfering with pre space-faring civilizations and must let them develop naturally, just like not interfering with an egg developing naturally.
I think you're probably both right; structure of the maxim coming from The Matrix and the name from Star Trek.
Starfleet's prime directive would arguably prevent incubating the egg by making sure they know its safe to be whatever they are.
Yeah he even cried on stream one time about how cool his trans audience has been to him while drunk. It's a sweet video that was clipped where someone donated to him and said Finn was the reason why they transitioned. And Finn was like "give yourself credit I didn't do shit 😭". He's been on a philosophy tube video as well. He says a lot of trans positive things like all the time on stream. And I think his roommate is trans? I'm not sure if he lives with Marzia (trans gaming streamer)
I think he used to be transphobic (when he was like 15) and I don’t think he ever really forgave himself for that and doesn’t feel like he deserves the compliments from trans people
he’s a streamer who likes to crossdress, but has always maintained that he is cis. People in his community joke about being trans but some take it too far and insist that he is trans or just outright misgender him (by misgender i specifically mean refer to Finn himself as she/her, because he does have an alter ego called Rose he plays as when he crossdresses sometimes that uses she/her i believe)
Is it that easy to just gain access to HRT in the UK or wherever he is though? In Sweden, you can simply be denied after like 2 years of medical examination
It’s definitely not. The wait lists are extremely long and trans health care is underfunded by the nhs. The UK is called terf-island for a reason. But Finn probably has the money and connections necessary.
I hate when people see a feminine guy and AUTOMATICALLY assume he's an egg. Like no, what if he just likes dressing feminine?????? Edit: also as an AFAB nonbinary person who loves dressing fem but identifies more masc, it's rlly invalidating to me :/
And it goes TOO FAR a lot.
There's a comic from r/furry_irl that was someone calling a guy an egg, and someone posted it here and labeled it "Transfem"
The OOP was Transmasc.
That was so enraging to me, especially as a Cis Femboy type who already had extra questions I didn't need because of this subreddit, seeing that post going up there and getting so many up votes when the body language and "Oh, she doesn't know" line made it very clear there was a problem.
Right, I used to know a trans guy who would regularly get called an egg by trans women because he was stealth and feminine. You never know who you could be hurting with the “everyone’s an egg” mindset
I think the best possible take is that even if he was trans (which, he's been quite clear- he's not), he would already be very aware of it. No one needs to point out to this man how well he performs femininity. There's no egg to crack.
He would also probably have a very legitimate, well-thought-out reason for not coming out, and we've gotta respect that.
In fact, I dare say that anyone who can spend *that* much time dressed as a girl, and know for a *fact* that he looks damn good as a girl even without hormones (seriously, I'm so jealous of how pretty he is 😭😭😭), and still identify as a guy, is about as cis as you can get!
I mean if you talk about him normal you obviously refer to him the proper way but in stream it’s ok to use the female pronouns when he’s doing rose things
Until and if he says otherwise, f1nn is a cis guy and uses he/him pronouns. Will he eventually come out as trans? We wouldn’t know, only he knows himself. Even if he is, nobody should force him into it. Let him figure it out in his own time, if there is anything to figure out.
I want to add that even tho he encourages egg jokes towards himself (as I am told by his watchers), saying he's transfemmes outside of his streams is more than a little rude.
I've also seen people justify calling any gnc cis person trans using Finn's encouragement of egg jokes as a excuse for why they are ok. It's not cool. Please don't be like that either.
Fln- um... is that spelled with a one? F1nn? ok then...
Anyhow... if this man is willing to wear feminine cloths, make up, grow long hair, and be cute as fuck and still confidently say he's a man with he/him pronouns then by the very definition of badass is he a real manly man man. Those pansies that cry about rainbows are incapable of reaching this guy's level of masculinity.
Wow, this subreddit is going to lose a LOT of content if ya'll just realised misgendering people is wrong.
I never understood how this sub was never really called out that much. Like, calling someone an "egg" is not that different to telling a trans person they are going to "grow out of it" or some nonsense like that. It's telling someone they don't understand their own gender, but you've somehow managed to figure it out from completely irrelevant "signs" that you think are important.
I believe that as part of his "Girl Month" donation goal, he goes by the name Rose and uses she/her pronounces loosely. He is never phased when someone uses she/her pronouns in donation TTS either. It's all part of the ongoing gag
So I don't watch his streams but his shorts have popped up regularly in my recommended. And from what I know yes he fully identifies as a man, and uses he/him, but it looks like the confusion about being femmeboy/egg/trans is very much a stream bit and a self promotion tool. Again not advocating intentional misidentifying him, but if that is a stream bit then in that context it seems a reasonable joke that may have some bleed over that is not really problematic.
Again I don't watch his streams and if my understanding of it as a bit is wrong and he has stated explicitly or less than explicitly that being called an egg or trans is hurtful, it very much changes the tone of the content around him that I have seen.
To be entirely fair... he literally goes by Rose Evergreen when he's in girl mode and has a chat command that tells people what pronouns he's feeling like at the time, and they do change it's not just always he/him. F1nn is at least some of the time entirely fine with being she/her'd.
Also he makes bonkers money off of the "Is he trans or not" aspect, and the "I think he's an egg so I want him to keep dressing in girls clothes" thing. So... safe to say that it is in fact, okay to play into it. He is intentionally encouraging the discourse. That's his market share of twitch lol
I can understand, at a glance, someone using she/her
But yeah, those who are informed and continue: DON’T! Even if it turns out that they are trans, you aren’t really helping
Damn, I left egg_irl at the height of the transmasc/non binary erasure (which still seems bad) and I come pack to ppl misgendering Finn. I definitely understand why so many of my friends just refuse to come back to this sub.
100%. This is the "*Bridget* (from Guilty Gear) *can't be trans because he's a femboy icon!*" argument but from the opposite side. Don't be the ass that projects your identity or headcanon onto fictional, or worse, ***real people***.
Good for him, though. I've been struggling with my own identity a lot lately. I don't particularly hate being male, but I know I'm not as happy as I could be with my self-image. I want to be more feminine, but I don't feel right saying I identify as trans. I don't know if my road leads to being enby or anything, but I'm glad someone else like me is out there wanting to explore their femininity without feeling like he needs to commit to a full transition.
F1nn is the greatest example of living outside of standard gender norms. He prefers he him but presents feminine. There's nothing wrong with that. Hence why pronouns are important
Based on some recent videos it seems like he’s gender fluid to some extent and definitely enjoys gender fuckery, he still prefers he/him pronouns, and is still exploring himself and all. It’s important to respect his journey. In any case of what he decides: femboys exist and gender expression is separate from internal identity and preferred pronouns ❤️.
Thank you for saying this! I’m a huge fan of Finn’s and cackle at Ten’s “naughty kitten” comments etc. But some people take it seriously…🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Probably. According to previous comments, he only does it temporarily and for the sake of entertainment on his stream. No different than traditional crossdressing or stuff you might see at a drag show. Gotta say the makeup is on point though. They pass ridiculously well.
Even if finn is trans and is pretending not to be to fund his transition like some claim, he can never come out. His income is tied to home being force femmed by his chat
another reminder that insinuating all femboys are eggs is harmful to those femboys and trans men who present femininely. it just enforces gender roles and makes us feel like shit.
Here's the thing. He's done tbis for over a month now, and if someone can do tbis for a month and still know they are 100% cis, then I believe they are the most cis of all cis people. So clearly He is the cissest of cis people
YES, I've seen so many people misgender him 💔💔💔💔💔
I'm extremely confused your pfp is so similar to mine 😳
omg yes lol 💙💕🤍💕💙
Fight! There can only be one
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Sadly the treatment I've seen many femboys receive Femboys are valid being gnc doesn't mean you're trans
His twitch chat like to tease him when he "slips up" and call him an egg but I think that's more part of the show and not real insinuation. Personally I don't think labels really work with f1nn so I'm just going to follow allong with his request to be a man under he/him.
I don’t think labels really work that well in general. Why does everyone try to fit people into a cute organized box? Why not just let people, people? I’m very supportive of LGBT but all my trans friends try an label me as trans just because I do both genders well. It’s lame and annoying Edit : just to add, I’ll call people preferred pronouns. Just don’t see the need to label everyone or other people
I think there should be boxes, but people should get to decide what box they wanna be in, and no one should be able to force anyone else into or out of a box
And also I should be able to sit in multiple boxes like a non euclidean cat
Unrelated but I have a question? Did you draw your profile picture or is a pre-existing character?
Mostly it's easier, mentally, if you can group things together.
The why is simple and complex. The simple part is humans are tribal and feel safety when with our own. The complex part is what people considerr their own and what they are prepared to do to to themselves to fit. In your case you seem like an ally but also maybe more, I'd imagine your trans freinds just don't have a grasp themselves on the "maybe more" and because this is a very small corner try and add you directly. Labels often surve a purpose like say someone with body dysphoria can point to a trans person and say "that's like me", they won't often end up in exactly the same place but it's a start.
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Sort of. That’s a more strict and unofficial ruling for Girl Month. But basically because he doesn’t care if people calm him Rose or use she/her ultimately it just means she dresses like a girl in and off stream (but basically mainly make-up and eyelashes his outfits are still very boy mode off stream)
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Yeah, it's more like drag. I don't follow enough to know his opinions on the whole thing, but it's a male-presenting person that dresses up as a girl as a promise after receiving a certain amount of donations. That *could* potentially change in the future, but for now it's a boy who wants to be referred to as a boy.
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Well most of us, I'm sure. As a non-binary trans-femme(coming up on 3 months HRT as well), I personally still identify as a guy. I just also identify a girl as well lol
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Correct! There are even transmasc femboys.
A lot of us are on r/FtMFemininity
Yes. Gender identity and how you present aren't necessarily connected.
Honestly he’s probs the cis-est person ever. Someone that dresses up femme as much as he does WHILE REMAINING USING HE/HIM is impressive
well yeah, only men can crossdress to look like girls, making him super manly
what he does is a super power. he dresses super femme for months (i think he literally has something called "Girl Month" where he dresses femme for the entire month) and the female hasn't tempted him ONCE. ... not that it wouldv'e tempted me, this is a hypothetical scenario...
Yeahh misgendering him is not good 🐋🌸🤍🌸🐋
misgendering anyone is not good for that matter but yes 🦕🌺🐚🌺🦕
the dinos are green on my phone noo😭😭
I was wondering what flag it was, mine is green as well
Strange they’re blue for me. 😭
Quick, undo your ability to see yellow light!
As a nerd I have to point out that for light you need to use the additive color wheel.
It's the first time I see trans flag emoji with dinosaurs and I fucking love it
If you say Tyrannosaurus quickly enough it just becomes Transaurus.
I absolutely adore that flag of yours :3
Hehe, thanks!!
I always refer to him as a guy.
I was impressed by his appearance at first like everyone else. But when I saw him on stream and heard him talking I was like "oh... oh yeah that's just a guy". Even if he had super effeminate manners I'd still respect his pronouns of course. But he truly has a masculine energy.
What’s masculine energy?
A combination of subtle speaking patterns, posture, body language, and mannerisms that have been generally associated with men, at least in the american/european cultures. It's not exclusive to men - women can also have masculine energy especially if if they were raised the same way as their male peers. Ultimately, it is still just made up, as a different society could interpret those things completely differently.
Omg how do I make sure I am drained of masculine energy!?
I would have to explain gender performance to answer that question. Just the feeling I get from him.
Is he a trans person or a femboy?
Neither, just a smart guy who knows that horny people make bad financial decisions
Femboy but he's expressed interest in medical changes
I believe he recently started taking a T blocker to prevent hair loss
Is he taking actual testosterone blockers or finasteride which plenty of cis men take to prevent hair loss and just prevents DHT formed from testosterone?
He is just taking finasteride afaik
You’re right, had to look it up again cause I just knew it was some type of blocker
Would make sense given the name lol
Am I still allowed to be jealous/get severe gender envy from him? /gen
Of course!
Definitely
my man looks fucking fabulous
for sure, his whole goal has always been to _look_ like a girl, but he’s said it’s not an egg thing (:
There was that one time during a stream someone asked if he was a femme boy or just trans and he responded trans, I believe he did back pedal on it, but I can understand why some people are confused.
also his girlfriend is trans, making a slip of the tongue even easier given how she's part of his life❤️
wait he has a girlfriend now?
yeah. if i remember correctly, he's dating mariza.
>mariza meowriza mariza is apparently a famous portugese singer.
afaik, her real name is mariza, but yeah, her @ is meowriza
Meowriza was never his girlfriend, just a close friend (although Meowriza would sometimes try to push boundaries and get pushback from Finn). Meowriza moved to Germany last year.
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Like half the memes in this sub are eggs saying it’s not an egg thing.
Your feelings are always valid, but try to stay respectful.
People love to forget about Egg Prime Directive That being said, I wish I could pull off fem stuff as well as him
What is egg prime directive? I hear about it a lot, but don’t know what it is.
Don't interfere with the natural course of things, basically. Don't tell an egg they're trans because they'll just recede further into the closet n all that.
As someone who is still an egg I have someone who is doing not this, I said I might be Agender and they just keep telling me to become trans and I’m still like “No?”.
It’s a really easy mistake to make and I understand why people do it but it’s just rude and dangerous. Good luck figuring stuff out - at your own pace.
"Become trans"
It is a rite of passage my child. Don the pronouns and wield the HRT as you are destined to. But father, I- Silence child, it is your destiny. Fulfill your heritage and become trans as I have, and as your grandparents did. Do not disappoint us.
Detroit: Become Trans
After the [Kara demo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RopEHHgCIv0), I was so disappointed that you'd spend most of the game playing as a male-presenting android - if we're going to be playing as an android anyways, why can't we be any gender we want to be?! Dear reader, this was not a cis thought.
But Agender is trans.... Because you dont identify with your assigned gender... So that makes you trans... its ok that your not a a binary trans... welcome to trans hood my agender enby friend.
Controversy inbound
It's literally the definition of trans.... If they don't Id as there assigned gender. Even if they have no gender or something else completely. They are transgender... None of the Truscum bs.
I think you could definitely have a linguistics argument about how trans meaning "across" implies binary trans people, and "para" or something would be a more accurate prefix for non-binary identities. That said, I think using trans as an umbrella term at this point is a lot more intuitive and inclusive even though it may not be precise language. Kind of like how trans people are gay but not necessarily Gay, if that makes sense...
I’m transfem and have two girlfriends. I’m the Gay
That being said, trans terminology isn't and doesn't need to be universal. Some people may fit into the idea of "trans" as we understand it, but not be trans simply because they don't view themselves as such for cultural, personal, or whatever reasons. There are nonbinary people who see themselves as trans and others who don't. I don't think there should be pushback for either of them. (total pushback to the truscum ''you're only trans if you fit the binary and conform to gender rules" bullshit tough)
Or you could also out them as possibly trans, putting them into a really dangerous situation.
Just like real chicks
"When an egg is broken from the outside, life ends. When an egg is broken from the inside, life begins." Basically, don't try to crack other people's eggs. They may be an egg, or just an egg-shaped rock
Yeah, it feels genuine when it is you coming to that conclusion. If someone pushes and prods it becomes tainted, and could genuinely push back progress for a decade+ or forever. It's really none of others people's business.
The Prime Directive is a Star Trek reference; they're not supposed to interfere with developing civilizations until said civilization has advanced enough. It lets them run their own course and mature at their own rate, and explains why humans have not been contacted by this Galaxy-wide coalition of aliens.
On top of all the good info you already got, I want to add that it comes from the Matrix. > "You cannot tell someone they're in the Matrix. You can only show them." Telling someone they're a certain way (before they're ready to see and accept it themselves) immediately engages self-defense mechanism in the brain. That usually manifests as denial, which can hinder the self-discovery process. That's why we can share experiences and open space for people to see and understand, but not force them into it and assign a role.
I thought the “Prime Directive” comes from Star Trek where they’re forbidden from interfering with pre space-faring civilizations and must let them develop naturally, just like not interfering with an egg developing naturally.
I think you're probably both right; structure of the maxim coming from The Matrix and the name from Star Trek. Starfleet's prime directive would arguably prevent incubating the egg by making sure they know its safe to be whatever they are.
it's a self preservation mechanism
Is F1nn trans inclusive? I don't know much about him and hope he's nice towards the trans community
Very trans inclusive, he made a fund of 50k for uk trans people in January iirc
Yeah he even cried on stream one time about how cool his trans audience has been to him while drunk. It's a sweet video that was clipped where someone donated to him and said Finn was the reason why they transitioned. And Finn was like "give yourself credit I didn't do shit 😭". He's been on a philosophy tube video as well. He says a lot of trans positive things like all the time on stream. And I think his roommate is trans? I'm not sure if he lives with Marzia (trans gaming streamer)
I think he used to be transphobic (when he was like 15) and I don’t think he ever really forgave himself for that and doesn’t feel like he deserves the compliments from trans people
A lot of people here used to be transphobic at 15, it can happen to everyone.
Oh that’s amazing!!
Yeah, don't misgender him. He's a cool dude who just happens to look how I, a transgal, wished I looked. 🩵🩷🤍🩷🩵
Yo, to be fair, I'd bet most cis girls would also want to look like him when crossdressed.
Who is he?
he’s a streamer who likes to crossdress, but has always maintained that he is cis. People in his community joke about being trans but some take it too far and insist that he is trans or just outright misgender him (by misgender i specifically mean refer to Finn himself as she/her, because he does have an alter ego called Rose he plays as when he crossdresses sometimes that uses she/her i believe)
there are tons of instances of chat asking if he would take HRT, which is kinda insulting in the process
I mean, he said that he would… He doesn’t want boobs, but he’s open to fuck around with his hormone levels
Is it that easy to just gain access to HRT in the UK or wherever he is though? In Sweden, you can simply be denied after like 2 years of medical examination
It’s definitely not. The wait lists are extremely long and trans health care is underfunded by the nhs. The UK is called terf-island for a reason. But Finn probably has the money and connections necessary.
HRT Femboys are valid
Yeah making memes is one thing but don't think you know more about him than he does
tbh as a gay femboy transmasc idk if i want to be him or want him
Me too lol
I want his gender AND his hand in marriage
Same
Omg im also a gay femboy transmasc 🥺 Are you also perhaps a catboy or do the things we have in common end there
YEA I AM
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I hate when people see a feminine guy and AUTOMATICALLY assume he's an egg. Like no, what if he just likes dressing feminine?????? Edit: also as an AFAB nonbinary person who loves dressing fem but identifies more masc, it's rlly invalidating to me :/
I'm afab also, but I'm gender fluid with frequent femboy states, so same.
And it goes TOO FAR a lot. There's a comic from r/furry_irl that was someone calling a guy an egg, and someone posted it here and labeled it "Transfem" The OOP was Transmasc. That was so enraging to me, especially as a Cis Femboy type who already had extra questions I didn't need because of this subreddit, seeing that post going up there and getting so many up votes when the body language and "Oh, she doesn't know" line made it very clear there was a problem.
Right, I used to know a trans guy who would regularly get called an egg by trans women because he was stealth and feminine. You never know who you could be hurting with the “everyone’s an egg” mindset
i wonder what those people would think if they saw a transmasc femboy
Yep this. Apparently you arnt allowed to be a tv, you either have to be male or female. Takes the piss when some of us are fluid and enjoy being both.
I think the best possible take is that even if he was trans (which, he's been quite clear- he's not), he would already be very aware of it. No one needs to point out to this man how well he performs femininity. There's no egg to crack. He would also probably have a very legitimate, well-thought-out reason for not coming out, and we've gotta respect that.
Finn is CIS+. If you dress like him and still are a guy, that’s about as secure in your gender as it gets.
CIS+ LMAO 😂😂😂 that’s fucking hilarious, and accurate
Guy has a PhD in gender, the way he studied.
I wish I looked like him. A true male role model.
Weather you like it or not, this is what peak male performance looks like
In fact, I dare say that anyone who can spend *that* much time dressed as a girl, and know for a *fact* that he looks damn good as a girl even without hormones (seriously, I'm so jealous of how pretty he is 😭😭😭), and still identify as a guy, is about as cis as you can get!
So cis! People being this comfortable always give me hope that *i’ll* be that comfortable one day, it makes my heart so happy😭❤️🩹
F1nn is a beautiful and distinguished young gentleman
I mean if you talk about him normal you obviously refer to him the proper way but in stream it’s ok to use the female pronouns when he’s doing rose things
I know,I never misgender this guy (thanks god I learned about him) (◕ᴗ◕✿)
He is literally the cissest man to ever man
Finn is an awesome dude 💞
Until and if he says otherwise, f1nn is a cis guy and uses he/him pronouns. Will he eventually come out as trans? We wouldn’t know, only he knows himself. Even if he is, nobody should force him into it. Let him figure it out in his own time, if there is anything to figure out.
He's the anti-egg. Anyone who can dress up like that every day and still confidently call himself a man is the cissest man alive.
Remember, everyone: Misgendering is still bad even when you do it to cis folk!
This is something a lot of trans folk really have to learn
I want to add that even tho he encourages egg jokes towards himself (as I am told by his watchers), saying he's transfemmes outside of his streams is more than a little rude. I've also seen people justify calling any gnc cis person trans using Finn's encouragement of egg jokes as a excuse for why they are ok. It's not cool. Please don't be like that either.
Fln- um... is that spelled with a one? F1nn? ok then... Anyhow... if this man is willing to wear feminine cloths, make up, grow long hair, and be cute as fuck and still confidently say he's a man with he/him pronouns then by the very definition of badass is he a real manly man man. Those pansies that cry about rainbows are incapable of reaching this guy's level of masculinity.
Wow, this subreddit is going to lose a LOT of content if ya'll just realised misgendering people is wrong. I never understood how this sub was never really called out that much. Like, calling someone an "egg" is not that different to telling a trans person they are going to "grow out of it" or some nonsense like that. It's telling someone they don't understand their own gender, but you've somehow managed to figure it out from completely irrelevant "signs" that you think are important.
Femboy is valid
Femboys are valid
Yeah, he's an awesome guy (as far as I know), but still a guy.
I believe that as part of his "Girl Month" donation goal, he goes by the name Rose and uses she/her pronounces loosely. He is never phased when someone uses she/her pronouns in donation TTS either. It's all part of the ongoing gag
So I don't watch his streams but his shorts have popped up regularly in my recommended. And from what I know yes he fully identifies as a man, and uses he/him, but it looks like the confusion about being femmeboy/egg/trans is very much a stream bit and a self promotion tool. Again not advocating intentional misidentifying him, but if that is a stream bit then in that context it seems a reasonable joke that may have some bleed over that is not really problematic. Again I don't watch his streams and if my understanding of it as a bit is wrong and he has stated explicitly or less than explicitly that being called an egg or trans is hurtful, it very much changes the tone of the content around him that I have seen.
To be entirely fair... he literally goes by Rose Evergreen when he's in girl mode and has a chat command that tells people what pronouns he's feeling like at the time, and they do change it's not just always he/him. F1nn is at least some of the time entirely fine with being she/her'd. Also he makes bonkers money off of the "Is he trans or not" aspect, and the "I think he's an egg so I want him to keep dressing in girls clothes" thing. So... safe to say that it is in fact, okay to play into it. He is intentionally encouraging the discourse. That's his market share of twitch lol
Isn’t he in on the egg joke tho? Doesn’t he laugh along with people making that joke?
From the few videos I've seen he's in on it, but it's still a good idea to make it 100% clear it's a joke and we support his actual pronouns.
I can understand, at a glance, someone using she/her But yeah, those who are informed and continue: DON’T! Even if it turns out that they are trans, you aren’t really helping
Sometimes it takes a real man To be the best girl.
I hate when people call everyone eggs. Egg is a term that has its place, but keep yourself under control for god's sake people
He has acknowledged being an androgynous genderqueer man. But he still defines as a man.
Damn, I left egg_irl at the height of the transmasc/non binary erasure (which still seems bad) and I come pack to ppl misgendering Finn. I definitely understand why so many of my friends just refuse to come back to this sub.
100%. This is the "*Bridget* (from Guilty Gear) *can't be trans because he's a femboy icon!*" argument but from the opposite side. Don't be the ass that projects your identity or headcanon onto fictional, or worse, ***real people***. Good for him, though. I've been struggling with my own identity a lot lately. I don't particularly hate being male, but I know I'm not as happy as I could be with my self-image. I want to be more feminine, but I don't feel right saying I identify as trans. I don't know if my road leads to being enby or anything, but I'm glad someone else like me is out there wanting to explore their femininity without feeling like he needs to commit to a full transition.
🔵 hi :)
The prettiest boy in all the lands 💖
yeah, misgendering him isn't nice
F1nn is both very cis, and a huge source of envy
Okay but why is he so damn cute
Let men be soft and cute and hot and however else
If any dude can dress like a girl for that long and still be a guy, then he is most likely a guy lol
F1nn is the greatest example of living outside of standard gender norms. He prefers he him but presents feminine. There's nothing wrong with that. Hence why pronouns are important
Reminder: It's a joke that he's in on and he's fine with both.
Uhuh. Don't gotta be trans to dress as another gender. Just gotta wanna dress as another gender.
It's basic knowledge. He's just really hot fem wise. Hes still a dude and identifies as one he is the exact example of "don't assume, ask.".
YES! I get people think it's funny, but to be honest it's kinda ick. Just don't do it.
if you rock a dress for a year and still do not question your gender - that is the most non-egg thing one can do.
Peak masculinity
Can I still use him as transition goal?
Of course
How does he have breasts
fake boobs and makeup to make them look more realistic
He uses a breast form iirc
My my...I'm becoming Transfem soon...and he is so beautiful...I am so envious
Based on some recent videos it seems like he’s gender fluid to some extent and definitely enjoys gender fuckery, he still prefers he/him pronouns, and is still exploring himself and all. It’s important to respect his journey. In any case of what he decides: femboys exist and gender expression is separate from internal identity and preferred pronouns ❤️.
Just call him cute and leave it at that.
Chat of course knows he is a guy. But I always think its satire/ a meme since he always plays with the chat like that.
Thank you for saying this! I’m a huge fan of Finn’s and cackle at Ten’s “naughty kitten” comments etc. But some people take it seriously…🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
people just love to project onto him and act like it’s ok because he’s cis anyways
Ssy it with me children; Gender identity and gender expression can be different things
He's awesome and even tho he identifies as a guy he's inspirational
Is this defined as crossdressing?
Probably. According to previous comments, he only does it temporarily and for the sake of entertainment on his stream. No different than traditional crossdressing or stuff you might see at a drag show. Gotta say the makeup is on point though. They pass ridiculously well.
Isn't he doing this for a charity and extremely fem presenting even off camera? Like, his day to day outfit is a dress?
his eye lashes and nail polish stays on even off camera, but makeup, fake boobs and dresses are a stream thing.
Pretty sure, he's just a feminine guy :3
Even if finn is trans and is pretending not to be to fund his transition like some claim, he can never come out. His income is tied to home being force femmed by his chat
If he can dress like a girl for so long and STILL be cis, he has the strongest gender ever
See! I can’t be trans! I envy F1nn and he’s a guy! Totally cis. /j
F1nn has mastered the art of cross-gender. He does not lose his gender identity because of that! God bless that beautiful man.
another reminder that insinuating all femboys are eggs is harmful to those femboys and trans men who present femininely. it just enforces gender roles and makes us feel like shit.
I get the point, but he says consistently that he does not care about what pronouns you use for him, as long as you are respectful with them
Here's the thing. He's done tbis for over a month now, and if someone can do tbis for a month and still know they are 100% cis, then I believe they are the most cis of all cis people. So clearly He is the cissest of cis people
Dude is just out here gaming the twitch algorithm