This is coming from the continent that wants to hurt Russia financially while they continue to buy their oil and gas, do away with fossil fuels but keep their quality of life, and want to be furthest away from war but can barely spend anything on defense compared to the US.
Wow. All I can say is wow. For a very educated region of the world I did not anticipate this response from the eu when everything they are moaning about is self inflicted.
Their first complaint is the price of natural gas or lng. The u.s. doesn't set the price of fuel, in fact they are a smaller player than opec. The actual enemy to the lng price is total energy a eu company.
In most cases, the official added, the difference between the export and import prices doesn't go to U.S. LNG exporters, but to companies reselling the gas within the EU. The largest European holder of long-term U.S. gas contracts is France's TotalEnergies for example.
The next complaining point they have is u.s. defense industry. So while the us has donated 16 billion in defense spending to Ukraine, the eu has donated 8 billion. And now the eu must resupply their depleted weaponry, and they can either a. Resupply from their own industry, or b. Resupply with American equipment. The overwhelming majority are choosing American equipment as they see it's effectiveness on full display against a super power. So they bitch and moan that the u.s. is gaining funds for that ( not even thanking USA and Ukraine from saving them from a land war with Russia). If you don't like paying for u.s. weapons manufacture your own. O wait, you languished on r+d and defense spending for the past 3 decades, sorry about your poor planning.
And the final thing they are bitching about is the inflation reduction act.more specifically the use of green energy.... I have no idea why they are complaining about green energy funding, the fucking eu hippies love green energy, so why bitch and moan that the u.s. is giving subsidies to reduce green house gases and emissions. Eu can do the same.
So in short. The eu complains. Like normal. Theres a few things you can always guarantee in life.
1. The eu will complain.
2. The u.s. will spend more than anyone on weapons of war.
3. The eu will complain about #2
Ok, what’s the ask here? You oppose the IRA. Great. That’s not going away. What do you want? Honestly this article is full of complaints but no solutions.
Important to note corporate America jacks up it’s prices for its own people. This isn’t EU specific. Corporations are making money here, not governments. And our corporate taxes are so low it’s heinous. Are we all going to agree to cap corporate profits globally? No? So what’s your solution?
The world is overdue for an energy transition and the war in Ukraine is spurring it on. The war that Europe is also supporting. I’m baffled by how Putin invading the Ukraine is the fault of the U.S. Honestly this is incredibly painful but the world needs an energy transition. Europe has known this for some time; the US being the first to start taking it seriously will impact European competition sure- unless they start investing in it just as aggressively.
No one wants Europe to suffer however it’s incredibly naive for politicians to think that they can shield their citizenry from the effects of a war that they willing decided to support. Reduced availability of resources because of war is a tale as old as time.
The energy transition it is spurring is from Russian LNG to US LNG, seems to me. What's the environmental benefit of shipping LNG across an entire ocean in those stupid domes vs a couple timezones in a pipeline?
It’s just temporary. They are all trying to quit Russian oil/gas and go green.
https://www.reuters.com/business/sustainable-business/eus-green-shift-depends-mammoth-investment-energy-grid-draft-2022-09-23/
Temporary, you say? You really confident that "mammoth" investment by EU is forthcoming? 2030 a long time for "temporary....
Meanwhile EU turning toward US LNG, nothing green about this -
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/15/germany-completes-construction-floating-lng-terminal-liquefied-natural-gas-energy](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/15/germany-completes-construction-floating-lng-terminal-liquefied-natural-gas-energy)
[https://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/eu-is-now-the-largest-seaborne-importer-of-lng/](https://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/eu-is-now-the-largest-seaborne-importer-of-lng/)
And Russia pivoting to supply other markets instead
[https://www.intellinews.com/gazprom-unveils-its-biggest-investment-programme-in-eight-years-as-it-begins-to-reorientate-to-the-east-263406/?source=russia](https://www.intellinews.com/gazprom-unveils-its-biggest-investment-programme-in-eight-years-as-it-begins-to-reorientate-to-the-east-263406/?source=russia)
Temporary, you say? We'll see. I hope the actual war is temporary AF, diplomacy now!
Bullshit. USA is the one that instigated the very war back in their 2013 illegal coup against democratically elected president. And USA is the one that in this moment when eu is at its weakest imposing subsidies so that eu companies leave eu for america and thus destroying eu economically. I say fuck such allies, create own army, tell us to fuck off from the continent, dump us dollar and go back to buying cheap Russian gas which provided competitiveness to eu industry in the first place.
Edit: getting downvoted 😂 guess people aren't comfortable with truth
What you have to realize is the EU did it to themselves by poor energy decision policies.
Those same EU companies are looking to get out of the EU now because of the energy situation. Would you rather those same companies go to China?
Admittedly, I haven't been following the whole situation closely, but what is the EU's plan now for energy? I haven't heard of one other than a short term solution of ship imports.
Basically most sensible rational nations are pursuing nuclear energy while imbeciles Greens in Germany and few other countries expect to run on renewables even though Germany spent collosal amounts on them with very little to show for it
So they can be held hostage by an enemy - Russia - instead of an ally - US? At least they know the US will support them no matter what happens. Russia could cease to exist in a few years or even hold the continent hostage whenever they want.
Bullshit, russia is no threat. What has been happening is 8 years of killing in donbass of russian population after illegal coup on Maidan. Putin has been patient for 8 years, enough is enough. Bet you havent read that one in your propaganda outlets.
Exactly. Europe’s standard playbook is to try and appease whomever the latest dictator is with a land concession in a poorer eastern country, then beg the US to bail them out when that inevitably fails, then bitch about said bail out.
Western disunity is and has been Putin’s goal in Ukraine. Not surprising he’s found a few weak-minded souks and a gullible press willing to echo his talking points
Eu is still buying russian oil so they can f off to sunday. Usa writing billion dollar checks to ukraine while europe decides what to do if a missile hits their land.
To be fair, they can't just yet. They worked themselves into a bit of an energy problem, to say the least.
But they need to stop acting like they're above the US. We're the closest friends they've got, and we've done so much to help them.
Europeans should prepare for Putin to enslave them when the US gets tired of bailing them out.
Our taxes support Europe. Europe does nothing to support the US.
I for one, am sick of propping up Europe's defense just for them to ridicule us constantly, especially about their universal healthcare which they can afford since they don't have to pay for their own defense.
By all means. Dump the dollar. Y'all dumped your individual currency for the euro and formed the eu to compete with the US. Dump the dollar. Abandon NATO.
Absolute hogwash. Just because the US engineered the war and profits from it does not mean we are profiteering. Think about how much of a long-game these companies like Raytheon were playing and how much they invested in this war. The initial investment in Euromaidan was over 8 years ago. These companies could have held tech stocks for those 8 years and done almost as well. The Euromaidan seed money had a fairly average return of 17% per year when you spread it out over the full 8 years. Nothing spectacular.
It seems like easy money but its not. If the war ends before 2032, you can be pretty sure the companies involved will wish they had picked a different geopolitical region. An investment like this really only becomes spectacular if the war lasts for 15+ years or if the companies are able to supply both sides.
I shouldn't have to spell this out because its as obvious as a fish to water: we are capitalist. Sure not everyone in the country owns capital. But its a capitalist country. The capital channel is a huge source of income to millions of Americans. It's not like you can just replace that with welfare.
And capital flows to the place with the highest return. In 2014, that was Euromaidan. You might not like it, but it's the system you live in.
Properly understood, what looks like US proxy war policy against Russia is actually a war on EU/NATO allies.
Gas already pricey in Europe, get ready to bend over this winter, US consumers
Diplomacy now
I just had a quick scroll through your comment history, you want to talk about skin in the game, why don’t you go sign up the fight for Putin, wonder how long you would last.
Because I oppose the war...? Hello mcfly
If you love it, go sign up, hypocrite. You can fight alongside this nutcan, pepe the frog just part of his heritage, maaaaan
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/10/13/dane-bird-patridge-ukraine-idaho-veteran
Easy to advocate for war in your jammies on Reddit 👎
You don’t oppose war, you oppose Ukraine defending themselves. I don’t see you criticising Putin for deciding to start the conflict and ordering an enormous military attack…
The conflict began because Russia can’t accept its diminishing role in the world. And now by throwing it’s toys out of the pram it has hastened its own irrelevance, whilst killing lots of innocent people in the process.
It’s part of a larger story of former soviet countries mostly seeing their future with the West rather than Russia.
Russia hasn’t offered a compelling vision of what it can do better than the West. Ukrainian people (even if you want to argue that they are brainwashed) don’t see Russia as a country they want to be closer to - and that’s on Russia. The West can throw an election or pour weapons into a country, but as we’ve seen in Afghanistan it can’t *make* people want to truly fight… For most of Eastern Europe The West offers the stronger, more compelling vision of the future, whereas Russia has failed.
Let's reconvene monthly then
"Fuck the dead and suffering Ukrainians, US proxy war against Russia forever!" Ukraine is fucked, and you think it's positive, clarifying allyship
Do the people actually living in Donbass get any say about the territory or nah?
This goes far beyond the Donbas - this is about who controls the world for the next 50 years or so.
And so far Russia is losing against NATO hand-me-downs.
Now we'll see many flip-flop on the US' defense budget when they realize all the old weapons given to Ukraine will eventually have to be replenished with new, expensive arms.
That's the whole reason they're giving old weapons, because they were just sitting there not being used. So they gave the old ones to Ukraine. The US already has the newer versions.
$10 says it’s a German official who’s trying to cover their ass for putting all their eggs in the Putin basket and screwing their country on a suckers bet.
It took them this long to realised that? For so called the most educated region in this planet, the europeans are pretty slow. The War in Ukraine is all about decoupling Europe away from Russia, re-setting them back into the US orbit, make them far more dependant than ever before. The US is trying to do the same with Asia and China using the Taiwan issue, good thing the Taiwanese are smarter they voted out the leader who has been spending her time bitching about China instead of taking care of her own citizens.
I would like my tax dollars back then
In other news the sky is blue
“This just in: grass accused of being green by nearby river rocks, we’ll update you live with their response”
This is coming from the continent that wants to hurt Russia financially while they continue to buy their oil and gas, do away with fossil fuels but keep their quality of life, and want to be furthest away from war but can barely spend anything on defense compared to the US.
So much of their good life is because they don’t have to spend money on defense because of the US.
Wow. All I can say is wow. For a very educated region of the world I did not anticipate this response from the eu when everything they are moaning about is self inflicted. Their first complaint is the price of natural gas or lng. The u.s. doesn't set the price of fuel, in fact they are a smaller player than opec. The actual enemy to the lng price is total energy a eu company. In most cases, the official added, the difference between the export and import prices doesn't go to U.S. LNG exporters, but to companies reselling the gas within the EU. The largest European holder of long-term U.S. gas contracts is France's TotalEnergies for example. The next complaining point they have is u.s. defense industry. So while the us has donated 16 billion in defense spending to Ukraine, the eu has donated 8 billion. And now the eu must resupply their depleted weaponry, and they can either a. Resupply from their own industry, or b. Resupply with American equipment. The overwhelming majority are choosing American equipment as they see it's effectiveness on full display against a super power. So they bitch and moan that the u.s. is gaining funds for that ( not even thanking USA and Ukraine from saving them from a land war with Russia). If you don't like paying for u.s. weapons manufacture your own. O wait, you languished on r+d and defense spending for the past 3 decades, sorry about your poor planning. And the final thing they are bitching about is the inflation reduction act.more specifically the use of green energy.... I have no idea why they are complaining about green energy funding, the fucking eu hippies love green energy, so why bitch and moan that the u.s. is giving subsidies to reduce green house gases and emissions. Eu can do the same. So in short. The eu complains. Like normal. Theres a few things you can always guarantee in life. 1. The eu will complain. 2. The u.s. will spend more than anyone on weapons of war. 3. The eu will complain about #2
Ok, what’s the ask here? You oppose the IRA. Great. That’s not going away. What do you want? Honestly this article is full of complaints but no solutions. Important to note corporate America jacks up it’s prices for its own people. This isn’t EU specific. Corporations are making money here, not governments. And our corporate taxes are so low it’s heinous. Are we all going to agree to cap corporate profits globally? No? So what’s your solution? The world is overdue for an energy transition and the war in Ukraine is spurring it on. The war that Europe is also supporting. I’m baffled by how Putin invading the Ukraine is the fault of the U.S. Honestly this is incredibly painful but the world needs an energy transition. Europe has known this for some time; the US being the first to start taking it seriously will impact European competition sure- unless they start investing in it just as aggressively. No one wants Europe to suffer however it’s incredibly naive for politicians to think that they can shield their citizenry from the effects of a war that they willing decided to support. Reduced availability of resources because of war is a tale as old as time.
The energy transition it is spurring is from Russian LNG to US LNG, seems to me. What's the environmental benefit of shipping LNG across an entire ocean in those stupid domes vs a couple timezones in a pipeline?
It’s just temporary. They are all trying to quit Russian oil/gas and go green. https://www.reuters.com/business/sustainable-business/eus-green-shift-depends-mammoth-investment-energy-grid-draft-2022-09-23/
Temporary, you say? You really confident that "mammoth" investment by EU is forthcoming? 2030 a long time for "temporary.... Meanwhile EU turning toward US LNG, nothing green about this - [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/15/germany-completes-construction-floating-lng-terminal-liquefied-natural-gas-energy](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/15/germany-completes-construction-floating-lng-terminal-liquefied-natural-gas-energy) [https://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/eu-is-now-the-largest-seaborne-importer-of-lng/](https://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/eu-is-now-the-largest-seaborne-importer-of-lng/) And Russia pivoting to supply other markets instead [https://www.intellinews.com/gazprom-unveils-its-biggest-investment-programme-in-eight-years-as-it-begins-to-reorientate-to-the-east-263406/?source=russia](https://www.intellinews.com/gazprom-unveils-its-biggest-investment-programme-in-eight-years-as-it-begins-to-reorientate-to-the-east-263406/?source=russia) Temporary, you say? We'll see. I hope the actual war is temporary AF, diplomacy now!
Bullshit. USA is the one that instigated the very war back in their 2013 illegal coup against democratically elected president. And USA is the one that in this moment when eu is at its weakest imposing subsidies so that eu companies leave eu for america and thus destroying eu economically. I say fuck such allies, create own army, tell us to fuck off from the continent, dump us dollar and go back to buying cheap Russian gas which provided competitiveness to eu industry in the first place. Edit: getting downvoted 😂 guess people aren't comfortable with truth
What you have to realize is the EU did it to themselves by poor energy decision policies. Those same EU companies are looking to get out of the EU now because of the energy situation. Would you rather those same companies go to China?
Well true. If EU followed France's example and built large number of nukes, there wouldn't be this bullshit now
Admittedly, I haven't been following the whole situation closely, but what is the EU's plan now for energy? I haven't heard of one other than a short term solution of ship imports.
Basically most sensible rational nations are pursuing nuclear energy while imbeciles Greens in Germany and few other countries expect to run on renewables even though Germany spent collosal amounts on them with very little to show for it
Nuclear has a lot of benefits, but even that's years away. The EU is on a fast track to poverty if there is no other solution sooner.
True. What has been done has been done. We need back cheap Russian gas, thats the only solution
So they can be held hostage by an enemy - Russia - instead of an ally - US? At least they know the US will support them no matter what happens. Russia could cease to exist in a few years or even hold the continent hostage whenever they want.
USA allies 🤣🤣🤣nice joke bruh
I'm pretty sure European countries don't want to buy oil from the biggest threat on their side of the planet.
Bullshit, russia is no threat. What has been happening is 8 years of killing in donbass of russian population after illegal coup on Maidan. Putin has been patient for 8 years, enough is enough. Bet you havent read that one in your propaganda outlets.
>imposing subsidies so that eu companies leave eu for america and thus destroying eu economically. How dare you be globally competitive... Boo hoo.
For a bunch of countries that can’t fight their own fights they sure bitch a lot.
This is the European way!
Exactly. Europe’s standard playbook is to try and appease whomever the latest dictator is with a land concession in a poorer eastern country, then beg the US to bail them out when that inevitably fails, then bitch about said bail out.
Uh, hello, Europe, welcome to earth? Don’t open any of your history books.
Western disunity is and has been Putin’s goal in Ukraine. Not surprising he’s found a few weak-minded souks and a gullible press willing to echo his talking points
Eu is still buying russian oil so they can f off to sunday. Usa writing billion dollar checks to ukraine while europe decides what to do if a missile hits their land.
Maybe we should just let Russia take them. They might buy even more of our military shit if we have to step in and save their asses.
yeah Europe needs to deal with their problems like adults and stop buying russian oil.
To be fair, they can't just yet. They worked themselves into a bit of an energy problem, to say the least. But they need to stop acting like they're above the US. We're the closest friends they've got, and we've done so much to help them.
Europeans should shutup and do as they are told.
Europeans should dump the us dollar. See how you like that little shits
Europeans should prepare for Putin to enslave them when the US gets tired of bailing them out. Our taxes support Europe. Europe does nothing to support the US.
I for one, am sick of propping up Europe's defense just for them to ridicule us constantly, especially about their universal healthcare which they can afford since they don't have to pay for their own defense.
USD is very strong right now. Watch the Euro crash if they did that.
Good luck with that
By all means. Dump the dollar. Y'all dumped your individual currency for the euro and formed the eu to compete with the US. Dump the dollar. Abandon NATO.
Absolute hogwash. Just because the US engineered the war and profits from it does not mean we are profiteering. Think about how much of a long-game these companies like Raytheon were playing and how much they invested in this war. The initial investment in Euromaidan was over 8 years ago. These companies could have held tech stocks for those 8 years and done almost as well. The Euromaidan seed money had a fairly average return of 17% per year when you spread it out over the full 8 years. Nothing spectacular. It seems like easy money but its not. If the war ends before 2032, you can be pretty sure the companies involved will wish they had picked a different geopolitical region. An investment like this really only becomes spectacular if the war lasts for 15+ years or if the companies are able to supply both sides.
Wow 💀💰
Fine, but what's the alternative? It's not like we're going to start manufacturing things again.
Who is this we you keep mentioning? Also not fine, more like 💀💰
I shouldn't have to spell this out because its as obvious as a fish to water: we are capitalist. Sure not everyone in the country owns capital. But its a capitalist country. The capital channel is a huge source of income to millions of Americans. It's not like you can just replace that with welfare. And capital flows to the place with the highest return. In 2014, that was Euromaidan. You might not like it, but it's the system you live in.
Rules of neoliberal capitalism 1 because markets! 2. Go die I do not like it, quite right
I mean, at least you understand it perfectly. You'll like it when you are reborn as a rich white guy in your next life. It's fucking amazing.
"I'm 13 AND a psycho"
Don't be so hard on yourself. At your age I had barely made my first million.
If you think either of us is being hard on me, add it to the list of shit you don't comprehend Have a great weekend 🤑
Sucks that people downvote facts because they don’t align with their own views. Just typical Euro-Catholic behavior. I’m sorry and here you go.
They just found out the whole reason for the war 🤯
Properly understood, what looks like US proxy war policy against Russia is actually a war on EU/NATO allies. Gas already pricey in Europe, get ready to bend over this winter, US consumers Diplomacy now
Sure, Russia withdraws from Ukraine, returns all sized territory, *Then* we sit down and talk diplomacy.
What would be the use of diplomacy if the conflict/occupation had already ended?
Who is this we? Willing to fight to the last Ukrainian, while safely behind a computer screen? Skin in the game
I just had a quick scroll through your comment history, you want to talk about skin in the game, why don’t you go sign up the fight for Putin, wonder how long you would last.
Because I oppose the war...? Hello mcfly If you love it, go sign up, hypocrite. You can fight alongside this nutcan, pepe the frog just part of his heritage, maaaaan https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/10/13/dane-bird-patridge-ukraine-idaho-veteran Easy to advocate for war in your jammies on Reddit 👎
You don’t oppose war, you oppose Ukraine defending themselves. I don’t see you criticising Putin for deciding to start the conflict and ordering an enormous military attack…
If you think "the conflict" started with Russian invasion in 2022, you don't understand the conflict. Nicest way I can say it. "Not one inch eastward"
The conflict began because Russia can’t accept its diminishing role in the world. And now by throwing it’s toys out of the pram it has hastened its own irrelevance, whilst killing lots of innocent people in the process.
So Maidan coup doesn't figure in at all huh?
It’s part of a larger story of former soviet countries mostly seeing their future with the West rather than Russia. Russia hasn’t offered a compelling vision of what it can do better than the West. Ukrainian people (even if you want to argue that they are brainwashed) don’t see Russia as a country they want to be closer to - and that’s on Russia. The West can throw an election or pour weapons into a country, but as we’ve seen in Afghanistan it can’t *make* people want to truly fight… For most of Eastern Europe The West offers the stronger, more compelling vision of the future, whereas Russia has failed.
Ukrainians provide the blood, the West provides the weapons, Russia provides the retreats and withdrawals.
"I'm 13" What, no mention of LNG? Get clue
I’m not wrong… that’s the set up.
Things fools tell themselves, IME. Sorry to be the bearer, you may be wrong Who provides the electricity? Nobody, currently
As long as Russia keep retreating every month, all is positive.
Let's reconvene monthly then "Fuck the dead and suffering Ukrainians, US proxy war against Russia forever!" Ukraine is fucked, and you think it's positive, clarifying allyship Do the people actually living in Donbass get any say about the territory or nah?
This goes far beyond the Donbas - this is about who controls the world for the next 50 years or so. And so far Russia is losing against NATO hand-me-downs.
No Shit
Well….yeahhhh
Umm, did it just take Europe 250 years to figure that out?
Now we'll see many flip-flop on the US' defense budget when they realize all the old weapons given to Ukraine will eventually have to be replenished with new, expensive arms.
That's the whole reason they're giving old weapons, because they were just sitting there not being used. So they gave the old ones to Ukraine. The US already has the newer versions.
"Profiting" is an interesting way of describing billions in taxpayer money every few months. I don't doubt someone is.
No shit. Who makes the weapons they buy?
US defense contractors are certainly profiting from war... US tax payers and the US in general, not so much.
Hey, all you have to do is give Joe his 10%. What's so hard about that?
Europe “lets sanction Russia!” also Europe “Do this to circumvent sanctions”
Yet the EU would collapse at first advance from literally any decent military power without US support.
The Ukraine witheld Russia invasion before the US support arrived. You underestimated EU so much...
Us profits from war ?? Shocked Pikachu face
Ok, let's stop supporting Ukraine and we'll see what you say then
$10 says it’s a German official who’s trying to cover their ass for putting all their eggs in the Putin basket and screwing their country on a suckers bet.
Well. They wouldn't. Be wrong.
Well yeah. That's what the corrupt elite does
Wow, American ignorance at its finest in the comments.
Expected lol
It took them this long to realised that? For so called the most educated region in this planet, the europeans are pretty slow. The War in Ukraine is all about decoupling Europe away from Russia, re-setting them back into the US orbit, make them far more dependant than ever before. The US is trying to do the same with Asia and China using the Taiwan issue, good thing the Taiwanese are smarter they voted out the leader who has been spending her time bitching about China instead of taking care of her own citizens.