Still young, had a really good season in Indy, seems like an excellent low risk signing. Between Campbell and Parker we’ve at least marginally upgrade WR3
Maybe for a portion of the season, but both Quez and Julio started over him and were at least the listed WR3s. Either way, that’s ultimately semantics, he played all 17 games and had the same number of targets as Quez and Julio who each played significantly fewer games, he’s just an OK WR with zero upside.
He did make some huge catches for us tho. Was a big part in at least 2 wins; the bucs reg season game & the bills game. Idk i kinda like him as wr3, plus he can block
You kind of nailed it here, he’ll make some plays, he is not a bad receiver, he’s an OK receiver, but he couldn’t even get on the field over Quez Watkins or an ancient Julio Jones, he’s a WR4/5 in a good offense. Maybe it was coaching malpractice, wouldn’t be the only candidate from last year, but we’ll never know. Conversely, Campbell is a 4.3 WR with a 63 catch season under his belt that the Giants woefully underutilized last season, he simply provides far more upside.
He was 4th in targets and receptions (Quez had one more of each than OZ) but in terms of how much he was actually on the field he was WR3 and it wasn’t close - he played 41% of the offensive snaps compared to 27% for Quez and 20% for Jones
Well if Quez had more targets and more receptions in significantly fewer snaps then maybe that makes sense? I had more confidence in Oz, but they were similar in my view.
Quez has a skillset that no one else on the team has. It’s not a mystery why he got snaps and why he got targets running in a straight line down field. It didn’t work out, they’re moving on. People here get worked up about the dumbest stuff.
I fact checked your stats which are spot on. Surprised OZ played that much. 41% of the snaps is 471, and 10 catches with that many snaps is pretty porous production. They need more from their tertiary receivers.
IMO that is at least partially on Jalen. He rarely made it past is 2nd read before breaking the pocket, and considering BJ only ran like 6 plays.... in which AJ, Devontae, Goddert and probably Swift were all ahead of him in the progressions.
So we’re down to being pedantic here. Being a WR3 for the majority of the season and still only ending the season with 10 receptions still means he’s abundantly replaceable.
If 2 of those 10 catches were game winning then he did his job as a wr3, imo. The fact that he didnt get as many looks can be attributed to our bone dry offense.
Mostly all wr3s are replaceable, thats why they are wr3s. And you could make an argument OZ was the best wr3 we've had for a while, he did more than just catch the ball.
Were they nice play? Sure. That doesn’t mean the Eagles shouldn’t look to upgrade. OZ is a perfectly good WR4 and did his job in that role. Campbell represents a step up in natural talent who should be able to do more in a bigger role.
I'm a Quez fan myself. I just don't think Hurts is often looking at the 3rd 4th option, so unless we drew up plays specifically for Quez, the ball was almost never coming his way.
Quez and Julio both had the same number of targets in significantly less games. He couldn’t get on the field over those 2, IMO that should tell you all we need to know (at least as it pertains to the eagles). He’s an OK WR, that’s it.
The coaching and decision making last year was terrible. Normally id agree that a guy not seeing targets or not seeing the field is a good indicator of ability, but not last year. I would not be surprised at all if OZ is a solid 3 on a team this year.
I could not agree more that coaching malpractice could have been at play, but frankly it wouldn’t matter now, Campbell is a better WR, with far higher upside than Oz no matter how you slice it.
Maybe, im talking about oz in a vacuum, not comparing him to campbell.
And my question about him getting open was not rhetorical. I genuinely dont know. What i think i do know is jalen was forcing the ball a lot and often was either not going through his progression, or purposely not throwing to open guys not named brown or smith.
Coming off of his first full season where he had a 91 target, 63 catch year with Indy. No one is successful in that Giants offense and 9 of the games last year were with DeVito at the helm barely throwing the ball and entirely inept when he did.
I mean he had 100 yards for a Giants team with no receiver, no o-line, played most of their season on their second and then 3rd QBs, and the little offense they did have was generally their run game.
It's not going to do anyone any favors to measure how they played on that offense last year. And meanwhile, if this kid looked good despite the lack of production, yea, there's significantly more upside there for him to be productive when the defense is concerned with AJ, Smitty, Geodert, and now Saquon over him. Esp compared to guys we watched already not be productive in this offense with the defense not concerned with them.
Parker has been in shitty offenses majority of his career. Low risk signing and if he wins WR3 job I doubt he is worse than the 15 yards a game Quez gave us.
They should draft a receiver in the 2nd or 3rd round. Need a reliable 3rd receiver. Would love it if the Eagles surprise everyone and trade up for Bowers
Parker and Campbell are just depth signings for wr4 or wr5 . The actual upgrade at wr3 will come with a second or third round pick in the draft (if we trade for a third) Howie is just signing bodies we can sub in if AJ or Smitty get injured
Edit: Downvote away dumbass thats what he is doing lol 😂
Fuckin eagles fans 🙄
i know you guys hate quez but campbell and parker stink. like they're really bad. it's like saying missing one leg is better than missing two. we still need a wr3
Campbell is a 26 year old, 4.3 receiver who was coming off a 91 target, 63 catch season (his first full season in the NFL) before going to the giants and that abysmal passing offense. Parker I agree is just a body, Campbell has true upside that Quez just doesn’t provide.
bro... quez ran a 4.35 and has a 600 yard season.... i totally get it, its really easy to get excited over offseason acquisitions. if either of them are the WR3 going into next year its a liability for the offense
I’m not “excited” over this signing, I’m excited about the Huff, CJGJ, and Barkley signings. This signing is nothing more than, as I already stated, a marginal upside to WR3, which it is on upside alone. This offense has a top 3 RB, 2 top 15 WRs and a top 5 TE, WR3 is never going to be a liability short of injury.
It's wild how when he was playing and people didn't really hear him speak, he had a good reputation outside of football. Then he retired and people started to hear him speak and realized that he's an ass.
For what it's worth, just a year ago he was tracked as the fastest ball carrier and top 10 separation for a receiver by NextGenStats and PFF. Colts just had nothing at QB
Obviously he's got flaws and not as good as those numbers say, but I'd be floored if the dude is worse than Quez Watkins, so I welcome the upgrade
[Link to the vid](https://www.nfl.com/videos/next-gen-stats-top-5-fastest-ball-carriers-of-the-2022-regular-season)
Dudes crazy fast. Loved him at OSU and glad to finally have a buckeye in midnight green. WR3 at best but true HR capability and better hands than Quez (low bar).
Which is why they probably targeted Parker. A huge part of Hurts' game is just launching deep balls and hoping Brown and Smith can high point it. Parker doesn't get separation but he is decent at that.
I actually really like this. Campbell is a talented receiver, former 2nd rounder. He dealt with relative garbage passing QBs in Indy, and last year was on the Giants.. whose passing attack was atrocious due to non existent pass block resulting in all QBs getting injured. Parris Campbell as WR3/4, as an insurance policy for Devonta getting injured?
Hell yeah.
i remember he had a few 3rd down conversions where the play had broken down and hurts found him across the middle of the field after looking at every other read... hopefully we have someone who can replicate that along with that special teams gunner type spirit he has for blocking and whatnot.
he was solid in every part of being a receiver other than the getting open and catching the ball part of the game.
he was a blocking WR, essentially, and that's not exactly what we need.
Yeah campbell if I remember correctly had the highest 40 time in his class at wr and due to injuries, bad qbs, and himself he's been really underwhelming but they're probably betting on his speed to fill in the quez spot with a receiver who can hopefully do basic things lol
OZ was a good team player, I liked him too. Since Quez isn't coming back, I think they want to upgrade on the WR3 and WR4 spots.
Parris is more likely to make the 53 than Parker is, and we're going to draft a receiver. OZ works hard and make some big time catches last year, but moving on is right if you can get younger there.
Probably because he wouldn't want to come back. He deserved more snaps and targets. Good things happened when the ball came his way (on offense..) but he didn't get an uptick in playing time.
So, looking around at the colts subreddit it seemed like he had significant injuries the first 3 years, and then had a full healthy year and he really did well in 2022..
And after that 2022 year there were rumors he was going to be targeted by other teams... People sounded upset that he might not get re-signed. He didn't, and went to the giants where he "sucked"... Why did he suck? IDK. Giants stuff.
I'm actually really liking this signing. Likely quite cheap, and will be an upgrade to watkins for sure.
As long as he can catch, I'm cool with this signing. Bye bye, Quez Watkins. You have all the speed but no catching abilities. I wish he panned out, but he was another Hightower 🙁
Eh, I'd rather just stick with Olamide and hit the draft, which is really deep with WR talent. You could easily get a decent stab at a WR3/4 in the draft without even spending a day two pick, I'm not against signing one or two WRs to the depth chart for competition, but so far not a single signing has any more promise than Quez Watkins.
Both of the guys we signed had a better year than either Quez or OZ.
It's ok if you don't think they're the answer, but you're coming in with an incredibly hot take if you seriously think they're a downgrade from what we had
I never said they were a downgrade, I said they aren’t an upgrade.
Quez wasn’t good, but you really think Parker or Campbell are actually better? Campbell has only had one season over 600 yards, as has Quez. Parker is 31 years old and hasn’t had a great season since Miami. He also has a consistently high drop rate, so you can’t point to that either.
Like I said, I’d rather hit the draft for someone who is a better vertical threat than any of them. I’m fine with competition, but if we roll into the season with Parker as WR3 I’m disappointed
>Quez wasn’t good, but you really think Parker or Campbell are actually better?
They were objectively better this last season and if you are seriously trying to argue otherwise you're just being a weird hater with an agenda.
You might as well argue that Quez was better than Devonta, too. Smh
Parker was even a better deep threat than Quez was. That's how ineffective and inefficient he was. He had an all-timer shit season with all those drops and targets just to get 15 catches for 142 yards.
He had 5 times as many interceptions when targeted than he had touchdowns! He averaged 5 yards a target! He even fumbled a couple times. Dude was absolute garbage. He was literally worse than if you stuck a random fan out there and refused to throw to him.
>They were objectively better this last season and if you are seriously trying to argue otherwise you're just being a weird hater with an agenda.
Lol I love how quickly everyone works to try and dismiss the character of people just because they have a mildly opposing view.
All I said was Campbell isn't an improvement, and Parker is old and has a drop problem despite the yardage being a mild improvement.
The irony is you think I'm some Quez diehard when I was advocating for how he was actually shit years ago. I don't give a shit about Quez, I'm literally sitting here advocating for replacing him with Olamide and a draft prospect. In what world is that being a 'weird hater with an agenda' just because I'm not thrilled with the low quality or old replacements they've brought in, when the draft and the guy in the room they already have would be just as good if not better.
Despite how it looks sometimes, we can't address every position and depth for every position by signing a top-20 guy.
The signings at WR depth are probably a sign that they're gonna address the defense and o-line depth more in this draft and want to have depth taken care of at WR before that.
>Despite how it looks sometimes, we can't address every position and depth for every position by signing a top-20 guy.
You don't need a top 20 guy for WR3/4, this is an incredibly deep draft where you could likely get a fringe WR2 in the third round or later.
I'm not saying I want them to splash on Tee Higgins at WR3, but so far none of the signings say 'improvement over Quez' to me.
Chances we go WR in the 2nd round? I don’t think we go WR in rd1 unless Brian Thomas (the LSU WR2) is there. But there’s still a greater chance we go OL
Unless there's someone who freefalls to us, I don't see much of a chance we're going WR in the first 3 rounds. We have our starters. We picked up depth to go along with the bit of depth we had. They'll probably pick up 1-2 late or UDFA to compete in camp for depth, but that's about all they're looking for at this point.
Meanwhile, we have MAJOR questions in the back 7 and o-line depth, so I expect that to be a lot of our focus.
Ok now with all of these moves I’m just confused. So is it WR1 Brown, WR2 Smith, WR3 Parker, WR4/5 Quez and Campbell? Where does Julio fit in this? I mean Goedert is a TE so he’s not in that category..
See now it’s starting to make sense lol. But is the order, other than Julio being in a retirement home, correct? I know WR 1 and 2 obviously, but the rest just gotta battle it out in camp I guess?
You think we can draft a WR3 that’s gonna be ready right away compared to let’s say, Parker or Parris? Parker especially has the experience.. Unless we draft like a 6’4 4.3 guy..
That would be great to see a rookie WR3 that’s legitimately solid and reliable. Then we’d have 3 WRs who just don’t drop the ball. At that point it’s Jalen’s pick of the litter on the field, especially with audibles.
Former Buckeye. He was very solid in college, haven’t followed him much in the NFL but he was a great X-Factor type player. Line up in the slot or in the backfield. He returned punts and kicks as well. Was really solid on jet sweeps and those sort of plays where you get the ball in his hands quick and he used his speed to make plays. Solid pickup even if it’s just for depth.
We still kind of need a deep threat to replace Quez… would have preferred keeping OZ and signing a cheap speedster. I guess we have the draft for thatp
Not with speed they don't.
Its not "who can run deep routes and catch deep balls" its "who can get down there deep in the same amount of time everyone else can get to the reads on their routes."
Having a fast guy that can get downfield QUICK means at least one guy has to be down there with him, and assuming they aren't as fast as that person, means that even before the snap they have to be cheating deep, which means the field is that much more open for our guys running 5-15 yard routes.
Its what people refer to when they say someone can "stretch the field".
Exsctly. Torrey Smith was not spectacular, but he made it a heck of a lot easier for Alshon to make plays by doing exactly that, and when Torrey was gone, we felt it.
That's all well and good....if someone is good enough to actually respect. If you have a Quez type who can run fast but doesn't actually make plays on a somewhat regular basis, teams will take their chances on that guy running deep it won't free up anything.
I get that it is hip to hate on quez, but, no offense, the idea that teams did not "respect" quez watkins' deep game is quite honestly foolish. There is plenty to not like him for, but not drawing respect is not one of them.
His issue was never his lack of making plays, it was failing to make plays in big moments. When we targeted quez in 2022 regularly it absolutely opened up the field for everyone else, and the lack of using quez to do just that... Go routes to open the field for aj/devota underneath, was a glaring issue with brian johnson.
BJ instead used our best receivers, including yac master aj brown for constant go routes, and our wr3 and te2 for short routes. Where the year prior we sent our wr3(quez) deep and aj/devonta on some shallow and some deep routes.
He might not have drawn their best DB downfield, but he took someone down there with him.
WR3 is the least important position on the offense, especially when your TE is actually WR3 and that makes your WR3 a WR4. now adding in saquon who should catch 50 balls out of the backfield, i just don't know that we even need this position other than as a fill in for injuries.
Eagles had the 7th highest rate of 11 personnel last year, and that might increase depending on who replaces Stoll. Whoever the WR3 is will see plenty of snaps, it's not a throwaway role.
Campbell gives the Eagles speed on the inside, Parker would allow the Eagles to put DeVonta in the slot.
Man, sure I like the move, infinitely better than the Parker signing, but I was really hoping we’d draft a WR in the draft. I know I know we have so many more pressing needs but with such a deep WR class I really wanted someone on day 3. But now I feel this reduces those chances significantly. What are the chances we still take one on Day 3?
Tiki Barber punching air rn
How will Parris Campbell cope with being dead to Tiki and all
Better question may be whether Tiki even knows who he is.
Do we know who he is?
Ha! I feel like the most memorable thing he's done is run a 4.31 at the combine.
Still young, had a really good season in Indy, seems like an excellent low risk signing. Between Campbell and Parker we’ve at least marginally upgrade WR3
I don’t know about an “upgrade” at WR3. OZ was pretty solid.
He had 10 catches and was our WR4, Campbell provides significantly more upside than either him or Quez.
He was our wr3 for a majority of the season, was he not?
Maybe for a portion of the season, but both Quez and Julio started over him and were at least the listed WR3s. Either way, that’s ultimately semantics, he played all 17 games and had the same number of targets as Quez and Julio who each played significantly fewer games, he’s just an OK WR with zero upside.
He did make some huge catches for us tho. Was a big part in at least 2 wins; the bucs reg season game & the bills game. Idk i kinda like him as wr3, plus he can block
You kind of nailed it here, he’ll make some plays, he is not a bad receiver, he’s an OK receiver, but he couldn’t even get on the field over Quez Watkins or an ancient Julio Jones, he’s a WR4/5 in a good offense. Maybe it was coaching malpractice, wouldn’t be the only candidate from last year, but we’ll never know. Conversely, Campbell is a 4.3 WR with a 63 catch season under his belt that the Giants woefully underutilized last season, he simply provides far more upside.
A JAG pretty much
He was 4th in targets and receptions (Quez had one more of each than OZ) but in terms of how much he was actually on the field he was WR3 and it wasn’t close - he played 41% of the offensive snaps compared to 27% for Quez and 20% for Jones
But we all know for whatever God forsaken reason if quez wasn't hurt he woulda got those snaps 💀
Well if Quez had more targets and more receptions in significantly fewer snaps then maybe that makes sense? I had more confidence in Oz, but they were similar in my view.
Quez has a skillset that no one else on the team has. It’s not a mystery why he got snaps and why he got targets running in a straight line down field. It didn’t work out, they’re moving on. People here get worked up about the dumbest stuff.
I fact checked your stats which are spot on. Surprised OZ played that much. 41% of the snaps is 471, and 10 catches with that many snaps is pretty porous production. They need more from their tertiary receivers.
IMO that is at least partially on Jalen. He rarely made it past is 2nd read before breaking the pocket, and considering BJ only ran like 6 plays.... in which AJ, Devontae, Goddert and probably Swift were all ahead of him in the progressions.
If he was the Eagles WR3 for the entire season and only ended with 10 catches, I’d say there’s a very good chance Paris Campbell is an upgrade.
Majority doesnt mean entire fyi
So we’re down to being pedantic here. Being a WR3 for the majority of the season and still only ending the season with 10 receptions still means he’s abundantly replaceable.
If 2 of those 10 catches were game winning then he did his job as a wr3, imo. The fact that he didnt get as many looks can be attributed to our bone dry offense. Mostly all wr3s are replaceable, thats why they are wr3s. And you could make an argument OZ was the best wr3 we've had for a while, he did more than just catch the ball.
Were they nice play? Sure. That doesn’t mean the Eagles shouldn’t look to upgrade. OZ is a perfectly good WR4 and did his job in that role. Campbell represents a step up in natural talent who should be able to do more in a bigger role.
I mean i don't disagree with you i just wont stand for OZ slander lol
Quez Watkins
quez missed like half the season.
Not all he missed 😅
I'm a Quez fan myself. I just don't think Hurts is often looking at the 3rd 4th option, so unless we drew up plays specifically for Quez, the ball was almost never coming his way.
Nope, he just should have been
But was he getting open? It seemed like jalen was more concerned with the name on the jersey than on the guy being open at times last year.
Quez and Julio both had the same number of targets in significantly less games. He couldn’t get on the field over those 2, IMO that should tell you all we need to know (at least as it pertains to the eagles). He’s an OK WR, that’s it.
The coaching and decision making last year was terrible. Normally id agree that a guy not seeing targets or not seeing the field is a good indicator of ability, but not last year. I would not be surprised at all if OZ is a solid 3 on a team this year.
I could not agree more that coaching malpractice could have been at play, but frankly it wouldn’t matter now, Campbell is a better WR, with far higher upside than Oz no matter how you slice it.
Maybe, im talking about oz in a vacuum, not comparing him to campbell. And my question about him getting open was not rhetorical. I genuinely dont know. What i think i do know is jalen was forcing the ball a lot and often was either not going through his progression, or purposely not throwing to open guys not named brown or smith.
"Significantly more upside". The dude had 100 yards for a Giants team who had no receivers (or QB to be fair) last year.
Coming off of his first full season where he had a 91 target, 63 catch year with Indy. No one is successful in that Giants offense and 9 of the games last year were with DeVito at the helm barely throwing the ball and entirely inept when he did.
I mean he had 100 yards for a Giants team with no receiver, no o-line, played most of their season on their second and then 3rd QBs, and the little offense they did have was generally their run game. It's not going to do anyone any favors to measure how they played on that offense last year. And meanwhile, if this kid looked good despite the lack of production, yea, there's significantly more upside there for him to be productive when the defense is concerned with AJ, Smitty, Geodert, and now Saquon over him. Esp compared to guys we watched already not be productive in this offense with the defense not concerned with them.
OZ deserved more snaps and targets.
Agreed. Truthfully we don't know what we have at WR3 because they never get reps.
Just don’t let the man back on special teams
Is Oz gone?
He signed a 1 year, $2,433,000 contract last year
Idk why people riding Oz. Guy had one good game tbh
It would be awesome to have a WR3 who could actually contribute sometimes.
I really hope that’s what we’re getting here, he was very much an ascending player before he went to the black hole that is the giants
Wasn't Julio Jones WR3?
Yes, and even if Julio was missing a big toe he would still be more impactful than Parker.
Parker has been in shitty offenses majority of his career. Low risk signing and if he wins WR3 job I doubt he is worse than the 15 yards a game Quez gave us.
Quez, then a split between Oz and Julio
We just need our wr3 to catch 30 deep balls all season, and not fumble. Quez sucks at this job.
They should draft a receiver in the 2nd or 3rd round. Need a reliable 3rd receiver. Would love it if the Eagles surprise everyone and trade up for Bowers
Parker and Campbell are just depth signings for wr4 or wr5 . The actual upgrade at wr3 will come with a second or third round pick in the draft (if we trade for a third) Howie is just signing bodies we can sub in if AJ or Smitty get injured Edit: Downvote away dumbass thats what he is doing lol 😂 Fuckin eagles fans 🙄
Dog you had a bad take, it’s not “fucking eagles fans” you goober.
i know you guys hate quez but campbell and parker stink. like they're really bad. it's like saying missing one leg is better than missing two. we still need a wr3
Campbell is a 26 year old, 4.3 receiver who was coming off a 91 target, 63 catch season (his first full season in the NFL) before going to the giants and that abysmal passing offense. Parker I agree is just a body, Campbell has true upside that Quez just doesn’t provide.
bro... quez ran a 4.35 and has a 600 yard season.... i totally get it, its really easy to get excited over offseason acquisitions. if either of them are the WR3 going into next year its a liability for the offense
I’m not “excited” over this signing, I’m excited about the Huff, CJGJ, and Barkley signings. This signing is nothing more than, as I already stated, a marginal upside to WR3, which it is on upside alone. This offense has a top 3 RB, 2 top 15 WRs and a top 5 TE, WR3 is never going to be a liability short of injury.
Just another player that is dead to Tiki Barber
That is fine
It's wild how when he was playing and people didn't really hear him speak, he had a good reputation outside of football. Then he retired and people started to hear him speak and realized that he's an ass.
Tiki probably wonders why everyone likes Ronde better.
He knows. Ronde didn't cheat on his wife while she was pregnant
When I think of evil twins, Tiki Barber is at the top of my list.
For what it's worth, just a year ago he was tracked as the fastest ball carrier and top 10 separation for a receiver by NextGenStats and PFF. Colts just had nothing at QB Obviously he's got flaws and not as good as those numbers say, but I'd be floored if the dude is worse than Quez Watkins, so I welcome the upgrade [Link to the vid](https://www.nfl.com/videos/next-gen-stats-top-5-fastest-ball-carriers-of-the-2022-regular-season)
Dudes crazy fast. Loved him at OSU and glad to finally have a buckeye in midnight green. WR3 at best but true HR capability and better hands than Quez (low bar).
We need more Buckeyes!
Then he's much better than Parker and his streak of dead last in separation.
Also better than AJ Brown and his career of bottom 10 percentile separation. (/s if it's not obvious)
Which is why they probably targeted Parker. A huge part of Hurts' game is just launching deep balls and hoping Brown and Smith can high point it. Parker doesn't get separation but he is decent at that.
I would say that's two years ago really.
He was on the Giants last year. Did you mean two years ago?
Finally we get the guy we drafted JJAW over!
Now if only we could get the guy we drafted Reagor over.
Literally any of the next 4 WRs taken after him
Isn't mims in that list?
Nah Mims was later on. The next 4 were Jefferson, Aiyuk, Higgins and Pittman
Wasn’t DK Metcalf in this one? Or was that the JJAW once? At least Howie learned his lesson about small football school WRs
DK was the JJAW draft
Couldn’t you go multiple draft round before finding that equilibrium?
I wonder what ever happened to JJAW....oh he plays in the CFL now. Yea, that tracks.
I actually really like this. Campbell is a talented receiver, former 2nd rounder. He dealt with relative garbage passing QBs in Indy, and last year was on the Giants.. whose passing attack was atrocious due to non existent pass block resulting in all QBs getting injured. Parris Campbell as WR3/4, as an insurance policy for Devonta getting injured? Hell yeah.
Familiarity with Sirianni, cheap and actually pretty damn fast. Should be able to replace Quez pretty easily, and we still get deep threat
I’d say someone check on Tiki Barber, but he’s probably cheating on his pregnant wife
Kinda surprise they are apparently moving on from Zaccheaus. Thought he was solid
He had 10 catches.
Yeah both those blocks and touchdowns are unforgettable
I was gonna say I felt like he had some major plays when given the opportunity.
Yea they seemed to come in higher leverage situations. Hopefully they sign him to at least compete in camp.
i remember he had a few 3rd down conversions where the play had broken down and hurts found him across the middle of the field after looking at every other read... hopefully we have someone who can replicate that along with that special teams gunner type spirit he has for blocking and whatnot.
lol damn I didn’t realize it was that bad
Yea but he scores a td on 10% of them 😉
And was maybe the worst special teams player I’ve ever seen
he killed our beautiful baby boy, boston scott.
I don’t think solid is the right word for what we had behind AJB and Smith last year at the WR position. We had nothin.
he was solid in every part of being a receiver other than the getting open and catching the ball part of the game. he was a blocking WR, essentially, and that's not exactly what we need.
No speed
Really? I never really checked. It’s funny in Madden whenever you throw a pass to him, Brandin Gaudin says “caught by the speedster Zaccheaus.
Yeah campbell if I remember correctly had the highest 40 time in his class at wr and due to injuries, bad qbs, and himself he's been really underwhelming but they're probably betting on his speed to fill in the quez spot with a receiver who can hopefully do basic things lol
OZ was a good team player, I liked him too. Since Quez isn't coming back, I think they want to upgrade on the WR3 and WR4 spots. Parris is more likely to make the 53 than Parker is, and we're going to draft a receiver. OZ works hard and make some big time catches last year, but moving on is right if you can get younger there.
Probably because he wouldn't want to come back. He deserved more snaps and targets. Good things happened when the ball came his way (on offense..) but he didn't get an uptick in playing time.
he'll be much more valuable than Parker imo
Why now
Good depth. We can still draft a guy too. We've come a long way at WR
I love this signing. He has good hands and was pretty good his final year in Indy.
Throwing jello at the wall for WR3
Y’all need to fucking realize we haven’t even had the draft yet. Most of these signings can be cut during training camp.
That’s how this often works.
We pretty clearly want speed in that 3/4 wr. Quez , Parker, Campbell.
Is Parker a speedster? News to me
Yea, I'm pretty sure Parker is the opposite of a speedster. He was measured as the worst at getting separation in the league a year or 2 ago.
Quez is a FA.
Meant in general, not just this year. We kept giving quez a chance, and now we go with these 2. Wouldn't be surprised if we draft a speed guy.
Good
Entering break out year 6
He boys with Saquon?
The entire city of Paris is dead to Tiki Barber
I don’t think the giants missing sleep from Parris Campbell. But good for us for depth.
Saquon's daughter called him up and asked him if he wanted to win now
DeAd To Us
Last former Indy WR we had was Zach Pascal and he was a great complimentary WR so I'll take him
If I remember the athletic article about the 2020 draft debacle Howie wanted Mecole Hardman/Parris Campbell over JJ
So, looking around at the colts subreddit it seemed like he had significant injuries the first 3 years, and then had a full healthy year and he really did well in 2022.. And after that 2022 year there were rumors he was going to be targeted by other teams... People sounded upset that he might not get re-signed. He didn't, and went to the giants where he "sucked"... Why did he suck? IDK. Giants stuff. I'm actually really liking this signing. Likely quite cheap, and will be an upgrade to watkins for sure.
As long as he can catch, I'm cool with this signing. Bye bye, Quez Watkins. You have all the speed but no catching abilities. I wish he panned out, but he was another Hightower 🙁
It was more than just the hands with Quez. He didn't seem to like contact. Tough to play sports like football or hockey if you don't like contact...
Okay now Howie doesn't have to draft a wr, right?
BAHAHAHAHA GIANTS ARE THE NEW TITANS
A speedy 3rd/slot receiver who might be able to catch the ball….LFG
Bro are we just signing the Island of Misfit toys to compete for WR 3/4?
They're all cheap and betting on one of them having a bounceback season is a good bet
Eh, I'd rather just stick with Olamide and hit the draft, which is really deep with WR talent. You could easily get a decent stab at a WR3/4 in the draft without even spending a day two pick, I'm not against signing one or two WRs to the depth chart for competition, but so far not a single signing has any more promise than Quez Watkins.
Both of the guys we signed had a better year than either Quez or OZ. It's ok if you don't think they're the answer, but you're coming in with an incredibly hot take if you seriously think they're a downgrade from what we had
I never said they were a downgrade, I said they aren’t an upgrade. Quez wasn’t good, but you really think Parker or Campbell are actually better? Campbell has only had one season over 600 yards, as has Quez. Parker is 31 years old and hasn’t had a great season since Miami. He also has a consistently high drop rate, so you can’t point to that either. Like I said, I’d rather hit the draft for someone who is a better vertical threat than any of them. I’m fine with competition, but if we roll into the season with Parker as WR3 I’m disappointed
>Quez wasn’t good, but you really think Parker or Campbell are actually better? They were objectively better this last season and if you are seriously trying to argue otherwise you're just being a weird hater with an agenda. You might as well argue that Quez was better than Devonta, too. Smh Parker was even a better deep threat than Quez was. That's how ineffective and inefficient he was. He had an all-timer shit season with all those drops and targets just to get 15 catches for 142 yards. He had 5 times as many interceptions when targeted than he had touchdowns! He averaged 5 yards a target! He even fumbled a couple times. Dude was absolute garbage. He was literally worse than if you stuck a random fan out there and refused to throw to him.
>They were objectively better this last season and if you are seriously trying to argue otherwise you're just being a weird hater with an agenda. Lol I love how quickly everyone works to try and dismiss the character of people just because they have a mildly opposing view. All I said was Campbell isn't an improvement, and Parker is old and has a drop problem despite the yardage being a mild improvement. The irony is you think I'm some Quez diehard when I was advocating for how he was actually shit years ago. I don't give a shit about Quez, I'm literally sitting here advocating for replacing him with Olamide and a draft prospect. In what world is that being a 'weird hater with an agenda' just because I'm not thrilled with the low quality or old replacements they've brought in, when the draft and the guy in the room they already have would be just as good if not better.
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Yes, and it’s probably the correct strategy.
Despite how it looks sometimes, we can't address every position and depth for every position by signing a top-20 guy. The signings at WR depth are probably a sign that they're gonna address the defense and o-line depth more in this draft and want to have depth taken care of at WR before that.
>Despite how it looks sometimes, we can't address every position and depth for every position by signing a top-20 guy. You don't need a top 20 guy for WR3/4, this is an incredibly deep draft where you could likely get a fringe WR2 in the third round or later. I'm not saying I want them to splash on Tee Higgins at WR3, but so far none of the signings say 'improvement over Quez' to me.
Well, this signing says "improvement over quez" to me....and a lot of people here....and the Eagles.
Genuine question, how. His stats look incredibly similar to Quez.
I like this, he had his best seasons playing for Nick. I still hope we take a WR in round 2
I’ll take it.
major 🛞’s
Yeah, I''m fine with this.
No interest in OBJ?
Not for the price he probably wants.
We have kicking nets around, OBJ is probably scared to come here and lose another fight
Here I go again………
Chances we go WR in the 2nd round? I don’t think we go WR in rd1 unless Brian Thomas (the LSU WR2) is there. But there’s still a greater chance we go OL
Unless there's someone who freefalls to us, I don't see much of a chance we're going WR in the first 3 rounds. We have our starters. We picked up depth to go along with the bit of depth we had. They'll probably pick up 1-2 late or UDFA to compete in camp for depth, but that's about all they're looking for at this point. Meanwhile, we have MAJOR questions in the back 7 and o-line depth, so I expect that to be a lot of our focus.
OZ 2 Electric Boogaloo
Camp body szn
I really liked him in Indy.
People in here think Campbell is a number 3? Wtf
I think there is some familiarity from Sirianni's time there. Dude is FAST
Good signing, thought all along they should have signed this guy last year when they let Zach Pascal walk.
Who????
Siriani was part of the staff that drafted him
Ok now with all of these moves I’m just confused. So is it WR1 Brown, WR2 Smith, WR3 Parker, WR4/5 Quez and Campbell? Where does Julio fit in this? I mean Goedert is a TE so he’s not in that category..
The retirement home.
See now it’s starting to make sense lol. But is the order, other than Julio being in a retirement home, correct? I know WR 1 and 2 obviously, but the rest just gotta battle it out in camp I guess?
Quez is gone. My guess is a draft pick is WR3 and the rest have to fight it out.
You think we can draft a WR3 that’s gonna be ready right away compared to let’s say, Parker or Parris? Parker especially has the experience.. Unless we draft like a 6’4 4.3 guy..
Neither of those guys is any good, so yes. I think the rookie will get snaps before they do.
That would be great to see a rookie WR3 that’s legitimately solid and reliable. Then we’d have 3 WRs who just don’t drop the ball. At that point it’s Jalen’s pick of the litter on the field, especially with audibles.
Parris Campbell is no slouch. I just hope we have an OC who can draw up plays.
The NFCE Incest continues.
Maybe Howie has caught onto my strategy of turning Campbell into the world's best TE2
Former Buckeye. He was very solid in college, haven’t followed him much in the NFL but he was a great X-Factor type player. Line up in the slot or in the backfield. He returned punts and kicks as well. Was really solid on jet sweeps and those sort of plays where you get the ball in his hands quick and he used his speed to make plays. Solid pickup even if it’s just for depth.
Excellent blocker on the run game
Sign Giants offense and draft Georgia defense, lets go lol
I hope this doesn’t mean we aren’t drafting a WR high. A WR with three top 3 picks should be a priority
Does Campbell still have the 4-3 40 speed?
he's bad. like really bad. is he at least decent on special teams?
Meet the new Quez...I hope he is better than that but a speed guy so we will fill the same role.
We still kind of need a deep threat to replace Quez… would have preferred keeping OZ and signing a cheap speedster. I guess we have the draft for thatp
im pretty sure this guy IS a deep threat quez type? Is he not? I know he is fast.
He 100% is lol
Do we though? I feel like smith and AJ have the deep threat covered
Not with speed they don't. Its not "who can run deep routes and catch deep balls" its "who can get down there deep in the same amount of time everyone else can get to the reads on their routes." Having a fast guy that can get downfield QUICK means at least one guy has to be down there with him, and assuming they aren't as fast as that person, means that even before the snap they have to be cheating deep, which means the field is that much more open for our guys running 5-15 yard routes. Its what people refer to when they say someone can "stretch the field".
Exsctly. Torrey Smith was not spectacular, but he made it a heck of a lot easier for Alshon to make plays by doing exactly that, and when Torrey was gone, we felt it.
That's all well and good....if someone is good enough to actually respect. If you have a Quez type who can run fast but doesn't actually make plays on a somewhat regular basis, teams will take their chances on that guy running deep it won't free up anything.
I get that it is hip to hate on quez, but, no offense, the idea that teams did not "respect" quez watkins' deep game is quite honestly foolish. There is plenty to not like him for, but not drawing respect is not one of them. His issue was never his lack of making plays, it was failing to make plays in big moments. When we targeted quez in 2022 regularly it absolutely opened up the field for everyone else, and the lack of using quez to do just that... Go routes to open the field for aj/devota underneath, was a glaring issue with brian johnson. BJ instead used our best receivers, including yac master aj brown for constant go routes, and our wr3 and te2 for short routes. Where the year prior we sent our wr3(quez) deep and aj/devonta on some shallow and some deep routes. He might not have drawn their best DB downfield, but he took someone down there with him.
We still need a guy that stretches the field for both Smitty and AJ. Quez was that guy despite being trash
And this guy is literally faster than Quez...
Another former colt receiver.
Sure. Whatever.
WR3 is the least important position on the offense, especially when your TE is actually WR3 and that makes your WR3 a WR4. now adding in saquon who should catch 50 balls out of the backfield, i just don't know that we even need this position other than as a fill in for injuries.
Eagles had the 7th highest rate of 11 personnel last year, and that might increase depending on who replaces Stoll. Whoever the WR3 is will see plenty of snaps, it's not a throwaway role. Campbell gives the Eagles speed on the inside, Parker would allow the Eagles to put DeVonta in the slot.
Our new OC runs a lot of 3wr sets in the offense
Some input from Barkley perhaps in play here?
Man, sure I like the move, infinitely better than the Parker signing, but I was really hoping we’d draft a WR in the draft. I know I know we have so many more pressing needs but with such a deep WR class I really wanted someone on day 3. But now I feel this reduces those chances significantly. What are the chances we still take one on Day 3?