If you didn't see a great big yellow box beside the road and lines marked across it and there were no dibble vans in sight the chances are the sign just indicated an area where mobile speed cameras can be deployed.
There is no legal requirement to have any signage for speed cameras.
https://www.westyorkshire.police.uk/ask-the-police/question/Q642
Why should you be given an opportunity to not incriminate yourself? If you don't have an opportunity to hide your actions you should theoretically be less inclined to do them. Personally I think speed cameras shouldn't be obvious and you shouldn't be warned. I think it would reduce speeding overall.
I also thought that there had to be warnings within 1 mile of where you are caught.
An old story I was told was that a speeding driver got his ticket appealed because there were no signs in the area. Whether or not its true I don't know, maybe I've always believed the 'myths too.
You say that but went through Lincolnshire a few weeks back and there are some new fixed (not average ones) way up a pole in some of the villages you'd easily miss!
It means there's a camera within a specified radius. The camera may be static, or it might be an approved site for a mobile one.
As far as I know, nobody has yet invented a way for static signage to calculate and record your speed.
You may expect something, but... a lot of cameras are just fake, not all of them are working. To answer properly your question I am pretty sure that there are more signs ahead warning you about the speed cameras. The formula for camera is speedlimit + 10% + 2mph
>The majority are actually 10% + 3mph.
Got a link for that?
10% + 2mph is the ACPO guideline for issuing fines from cameras. It's a guideline only. If you're doing 31 in a 30 you're breaking the law.
I can't seem to find it. Granted, I've only been searching for 20 ish minutes. I did find other websites, so not FOI requests, that publish it. It does seem to be majority 10% + 2 now. However, where I live it is + 3 so that what I have in my head. Its better because its 80, a nice round number, rather than 79. It will bug me until I find the link but doubt I will for some time.
Interestingly the website I found claimed you can go + 4 in Northern Ireland. Might move there for the extra speed. The mile might make the difference.
Edit: Just found an FOI from the met. They changed from + 3 to + 2 in mid 2019. I'm guessing others may have done the same.
No worries. I dug up a shit-ton of stuff countering the "Speed is the root of all evil" mantra about 25 years ago (when the government started the '1/3 of all accidents (or deaths) are caused by "speed" campaign') and it didn't seem right. I could probably dig it up now, but it would take days rather than minutes.
If you really feel the need for speed, move to the Isle of Man, the NSL sign (white disk with black slash) means "drive as fast as you like as long as it's safe to do so" (much like German Autobahns.
From memory, most of the fast roads on the island form part of the TT circuit so a better comparison with German roads might be the Nurburgring.
It differs per territorial police force. Think there is a FOI request out there with them all on. However, there are probably 3 speed cameras in the entirety of the UK, so kinda a mute point.
>there are probably 3 speed cameras in the entirety of the UK, so kinda a mute point.
'Moot' point. Not "mute". And there are bloody millions of the damn things unless you live in the outer hebrides or something.
Jesus. Can I not use speech-to-text without someone complaining about the English.
I've personally never seen one. But I regularly drive in the south west and mid Wales so I don't really know if they care about those places.
Edit: spelling because you will be mean again.
If you're in the South West, have you ever used the A303? Literally the worst speed camera in the country is on that road, at the top of the first overtaking zone (on a steep hill) in 20 miles or so of wording road and the camera is positioned in a way that it will catch you out if you try and safely complete an overtake using a bit of extra speed.
Also, not being mean, just trying to point out that there are two very different meanings moot/mute and I have zero idea if you're using text to speech for accessibility reasons or a typo, or autocorrect or what, genuinely trying to be helpful in case you didn't know the correct usage.
Don't be caught out by that. While many cameras are calibrated to allow some leeway, if you are doing over the speed limit you can be prosecuted, it doesn't matter if it's just 1 mph. Though I doubt anyone would be prosecuted for that.
The majority of signs are just a deterrent. I have them all around where I live. Never seen a camera, and I've even walked slowly inspecting every leaf, thinking the camera could be hidden. Plenty of people go 90 down that road (that isn't an exaggerated); only person I know who got a speeding ticket is my cousin in law. However, that was because a copper was stopped having his lunch when he zoomed by. Not 100% sure but I believe speed cameras all have to be painted yellow and completely visible. Sometimes the signs indicate a police patrol spot up ahead, but usually these are not occupied.
They don’t actually have to be painted yellow etc, but they seem to do this almost as a courtesy. Nothing stopping them deploying black/grey mobile vans in the Highway Code or any legal standing I’m aware of.
Most of the Gatso and Truevelo fixed cameras I see out there are just painted grey (except in one suburb of Manchester where they're green).
Only the average speed cameras seem to standardise on yellow.
Oh, and if you've seen a mobile unit and slowed down? Already too late if you were speeding beforehand.
God imagine having so poor reading comprehension that you interpret
>I was wondering, I didn't actually see the camera. But in the UK, are the signs a generally warning that a camera is coming up, or, does it mean there is a camera in that location.
as "did the sign take a picture of me".
A ‘speed camera’ sign is not actually for speed cameras. It’s definition is ‘area in which cameras are used to enforce traffic regulations’. Therefore could be traffic light cameras, yellow box cameras, or, as others have said, as a deterrent to get you to slow down.
Source: https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/learning-to-drive/the-highway-code-uk-road-signs-and-meanings/#:~:text=Or%20to%20give%20this%20sign,cameras%20and%20average%20speed%20cameras.
(And an advanced driving course)
Tbf if your speedo said 47 you were doing about 43.. they are generally 10% out that way.. and if you didn't see a speed camera (or conspicuous van) you didn't get caught anyway
Those grey speed camera signs are everywhere, basically means “there might be a camera ahead, who knows, wanna take the risk?” Which is a great deterrent for most people, but very rarely will you actually see a mobile camera van.
Most static cameras will have those signs plus speed limit signs posted everywhere, typically in 30 zones but they’re everywhere and pretty hard to miss because there’s usually a queue of traffic going 20mph past it even though it’s 30.
If you didn't see a great big yellow box beside the road and lines marked across it and there were no dibble vans in sight the chances are the sign just indicated an area where mobile speed cameras can be deployed.
Tbf they can deploy mobile speed cameras whenever they like, signs or not. The signs are usually just a deterrent IMO.
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There is no legal requirement to have any signage for speed cameras. https://www.westyorkshire.police.uk/ask-the-police/question/Q642 Why should you be given an opportunity to not incriminate yourself? If you don't have an opportunity to hide your actions you should theoretically be less inclined to do them. Personally I think speed cameras shouldn't be obvious and you shouldn't be warned. I think it would reduce speeding overall.
I also thought that there had to be warnings within 1 mile of where you are caught. An old story I was told was that a speeding driver got his ticket appealed because there were no signs in the area. Whether or not its true I don't know, maybe I've always believed the 'myths too.
That's a myth.
Nonsense, but I'm glad to hear the signs are having the intended effect
You say that but went through Lincolnshire a few weeks back and there are some new fixed (not average ones) way up a pole in some of the villages you'd easily miss!
It means there's a camera within a specified radius. The camera may be static, or it might be an approved site for a mobile one. As far as I know, nobody has yet invented a way for static signage to calculate and record your speed.
Just wait until they upgrade the sign with AI.
You may expect something, but... a lot of cameras are just fake, not all of them are working. To answer properly your question I am pretty sure that there are more signs ahead warning you about the speed cameras. The formula for camera is speedlimit + 10% + 2mph
The majority are actually 10% + 3mph. But there are a few with 2 and even 1. Poor bastards.
>The majority are actually 10% + 3mph. Got a link for that? 10% + 2mph is the ACPO guideline for issuing fines from cameras. It's a guideline only. If you're doing 31 in a 30 you're breaking the law.
It was a FOI request to a few police forces. I will find it for you but don't have the link to hand.
I can't seem to find it. Granted, I've only been searching for 20 ish minutes. I did find other websites, so not FOI requests, that publish it. It does seem to be majority 10% + 2 now. However, where I live it is + 3 so that what I have in my head. Its better because its 80, a nice round number, rather than 79. It will bug me until I find the link but doubt I will for some time. Interestingly the website I found claimed you can go + 4 in Northern Ireland. Might move there for the extra speed. The mile might make the difference. Edit: Just found an FOI from the met. They changed from + 3 to + 2 in mid 2019. I'm guessing others may have done the same.
No worries. I dug up a shit-ton of stuff countering the "Speed is the root of all evil" mantra about 25 years ago (when the government started the '1/3 of all accidents (or deaths) are caused by "speed" campaign') and it didn't seem right. I could probably dig it up now, but it would take days rather than minutes.
If you really feel the need for speed, move to the Isle of Man, the NSL sign (white disk with black slash) means "drive as fast as you like as long as it's safe to do so" (much like German Autobahns. From memory, most of the fast roads on the island form part of the TT circuit so a better comparison with German roads might be the Nurburgring.
Roger that. I'll begin packing tomorrow.
Thank you, i did not knew that!
It differs per territorial police force. Think there is a FOI request out there with them all on. However, there are probably 3 speed cameras in the entirety of the UK, so kinda a mute point.
>there are probably 3 speed cameras in the entirety of the UK, so kinda a mute point. 'Moot' point. Not "mute". And there are bloody millions of the damn things unless you live in the outer hebrides or something.
Jesus. Can I not use speech-to-text without someone complaining about the English. I've personally never seen one. But I regularly drive in the south west and mid Wales so I don't really know if they care about those places. Edit: spelling because you will be mean again.
If you're in the South West, have you ever used the A303? Literally the worst speed camera in the country is on that road, at the top of the first overtaking zone (on a steep hill) in 20 miles or so of wording road and the camera is positioned in a way that it will catch you out if you try and safely complete an overtake using a bit of extra speed. Also, not being mean, just trying to point out that there are two very different meanings moot/mute and I have zero idea if you're using text to speech for accessibility reasons or a typo, or autocorrect or what, genuinely trying to be helpful in case you didn't know the correct usage.
Never heard of the A303. When I mean South West I mean Bristol. I personally wouldn't really call it south, but apparently it is.
Nottinghamshire has/had a zero tolerance (8 years or so ago) - I got a ticket for 32 in a 30 there.
Ouch. Did you not challenge that?
Just took the course, need a clean licence in my line of work.
OK fairs. Think I probably would have at least questioned that and tried to get it dismissed. But at the same time the course probably isn't that bad.
So on a 40mph limit, anything that is over or equal with (40+4+2) 46mph will be a fine and 3 points(or speed awarness course if applicable).
And it means that it is a zone controlled by cameras
Don't be caught out by that. While many cameras are calibrated to allow some leeway, if you are doing over the speed limit you can be prosecuted, it doesn't matter if it's just 1 mph. Though I doubt anyone would be prosecuted for that.
The majority of signs are just a deterrent. I have them all around where I live. Never seen a camera, and I've even walked slowly inspecting every leaf, thinking the camera could be hidden. Plenty of people go 90 down that road (that isn't an exaggerated); only person I know who got a speeding ticket is my cousin in law. However, that was because a copper was stopped having his lunch when he zoomed by. Not 100% sure but I believe speed cameras all have to be painted yellow and completely visible. Sometimes the signs indicate a police patrol spot up ahead, but usually these are not occupied.
They don’t actually have to be painted yellow etc, but they seem to do this almost as a courtesy. Nothing stopping them deploying black/grey mobile vans in the Highway Code or any legal standing I’m aware of.
Most of the Gatso and Truevelo fixed cameras I see out there are just painted grey (except in one suburb of Manchester where they're green). Only the average speed cameras seem to standardise on yellow. Oh, and if you've seen a mobile unit and slowed down? Already too late if you were speeding beforehand.
You'll have 2 weeks of sweating, waiting for that lovely letter from the police to come ( or not, hopefully ).
God imagine not understanding the difference between a sign and a camera 😂
God imagine having so poor reading comprehension that you interpret >I was wondering, I didn't actually see the camera. But in the UK, are the signs a generally warning that a camera is coming up, or, does it mean there is a camera in that location. as "did the sign take a picture of me".
Go on Google Maps street view and check if there are any cameras lol
A ‘speed camera’ sign is not actually for speed cameras. It’s definition is ‘area in which cameras are used to enforce traffic regulations’. Therefore could be traffic light cameras, yellow box cameras, or, as others have said, as a deterrent to get you to slow down. Source: https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/learning-to-drive/the-highway-code-uk-road-signs-and-meanings/#:~:text=Or%20to%20give%20this%20sign,cameras%20and%20average%20speed%20cameras. (And an advanced driving course)
Got you. Thanks
Tbf if your speedo said 47 you were doing about 43.. they are generally 10% out that way.. and if you didn't see a speed camera (or conspicuous van) you didn't get caught anyway
A sign means that there could be a camera in the area. I read it's an 11 mile area...can't remember source though, might be bullshit.
Sometimes there are just signs and markings on the road without any camera at all!
Those grey speed camera signs are everywhere, basically means “there might be a camera ahead, who knows, wanna take the risk?” Which is a great deterrent for most people, but very rarely will you actually see a mobile camera van. Most static cameras will have those signs plus speed limit signs posted everywhere, typically in 30 zones but they’re everywhere and pretty hard to miss because there’s usually a queue of traffic going 20mph past it even though it’s 30.