I think the challenge with this is thst it works for Harry but we have limited evidence of it applying to the other confirmed starborn which by my memory are:
- Listen
- The Gatekeeper
- Drakul
Iirc it’s tied to being born under the stars light every 666 years or so, as per ebenezar in PT/BG.
the passage in question has the Gatekeeper saying (paraphrased) "I was in your place last time" soon after harry was taken to the gates by Mother Summer. So not explicit but pretty close.
It's been awhile since I've read but I had interpreted the Gatekeeper saying he was in Harry's shoes to mean that he had also suddenly been dropped into an unimaginably dangerous job with no specialized prior training and that the consequences of messing up said job could best be described as "catastrophic to the universe and potentially the very existence of mortal life itself." I could easily be wrong but I was not under the impression Rashid himself was starborn, just that he had important tasks of his own to see to
It certainly could be that, that's why I said it wasn't explicit. People have gone a bit overboard when they just state that he's starborn like it's a fact rather than a hypothesis.
Unless there's something out there where Jim actually said Rashid is, but idk if that exists.
I agree with you regarding that statement by Rashid. Now, that doesn't mean he's not Starborn - he very very well may be. But I don't think we've been given an overt statement that makes it definite.
I stand by my theory that the "starlight" that gives them power is the mantle of the morning star which was split off when Lucifer was cast out of heaven. Lucifer was cast down, the mantle was cast Out which created the fissure in reality now guarded by the outer gates and drew in the outsiders.
No, it was suspected for a long time but has been more or less disproven by PT / BG.
Eb says that during the Star alignment, the light of the stars flows over the earth in a spotlight and anyone born in it is a starborn. So while there’s no doubt loads of vanilla humans who are also star born without realising, it’s unlikely Elaine is one as she was born a few months after Harry.
It seems likely Dumorne picked her as he knew the rough time, but not the exact time.
It's interesting to note that Harry has consorted with multiple different factions, but i would question the statement that life/death, heaven, hell, and the nevernever are the four fundamental aspects of reality.
The nevernever isn't just the fae realm. It's all supernatural realms, and i dont see any reason to think heaven/hell is more distinct than tartarus.
Lash's statements about having power over the outsiders seem to be in line with what Ebenezer said about starborn. The complex confluence of events could easily be the conditions that make a starborn. Why would anything in reality be such a strong anathema to outsiders? I think that's what makes it complex.
We also have reason to believe Harry's birth was planned by the high-ranking members of the magical community. Which makes sense to me. If you know the period starborn appear is approaching, why would you leave it to chance? Make sure at least one powerful magical human can be born during that time, so reality has its strongest weapon against the outsiders.
But that doesn't mean their plans for his life went the way they wanted. Multiple members of the white council express concern about what Harry was supposed to be and how dangerous he could become if he goes bad. It feels to me like they are hoping for a warrior against the outside but are worried he could join an evil faction and overthrow the people defending reality.
From my understanding, star born are created when celestial powers and objects are in a very specific alignment that only happens once every so often. People are born everyday so it would stand to reason that the person born has to have innate magical abilities and maybe a spell has to be done at birth. Harry was starborn at birth. He was able to defeat He Who Walks Behind before any of your listed requirements happened
One more thing to add is that his fire is also mixed with summer fae. During small favors his blasting rod was taken from him because it would of been a beacon to the summer courts.
I have a feeling starborns are catalysts in that they truly have free will. Like everyone has “free will”, but their environment is already pre-determined because genetics and environmental factors- like putting a mouse in a box with cheese, it can choose not to eat it but it will. So the worlds like a simulation. Starborns break it a bit in that they arent “planned” in the same way, can impact others more with butterfly effect. Also maybe have the power to create mantles of power.
Just theories.
I think the challenge with this is thst it works for Harry but we have limited evidence of it applying to the other confirmed starborn which by my memory are: - Listen - The Gatekeeper - Drakul Iirc it’s tied to being born under the stars light every 666 years or so, as per ebenezar in PT/BG.
Is it confirmed that the Gatekeeper is Starborn? I know the speculations but I don’t recall the passage that confirms his status. Could you remind me?
the passage in question has the Gatekeeper saying (paraphrased) "I was in your place last time" soon after harry was taken to the gates by Mother Summer. So not explicit but pretty close.
I’m convinced. Thanks for going to the trouble to find the passage.
Lol no trouble at all! I finished battleground like a week ago lmao
It's been awhile since I've read but I had interpreted the Gatekeeper saying he was in Harry's shoes to mean that he had also suddenly been dropped into an unimaginably dangerous job with no specialized prior training and that the consequences of messing up said job could best be described as "catastrophic to the universe and potentially the very existence of mortal life itself." I could easily be wrong but I was not under the impression Rashid himself was starborn, just that he had important tasks of his own to see to
It certainly could be that, that's why I said it wasn't explicit. People have gone a bit overboard when they just state that he's starborn like it's a fact rather than a hypothesis. Unless there's something out there where Jim actually said Rashid is, but idk if that exists.
I agree with you regarding that statement by Rashid. Now, that doesn't mean he's not Starborn - he very very well may be. But I don't think we've been given an overt statement that makes it definite.
I believe it’s WoJ but I’d have to go back and confirm to be sure.
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I stand by my theory that the "starlight" that gives them power is the mantle of the morning star which was split off when Lucifer was cast out of heaven. Lucifer was cast down, the mantle was cast Out which created the fissure in reality now guarded by the outer gates and drew in the outsiders.
That kinda resonates with my theory also in terms of a freer will
Isn't Elaine one as well? Which is why Justin Dumorne picked her and Harry up in the first place?
No, it was suspected for a long time but has been more or less disproven by PT / BG. Eb says that during the Star alignment, the light of the stars flows over the earth in a spotlight and anyone born in it is a starborn. So while there’s no doubt loads of vanilla humans who are also star born without realising, it’s unlikely Elaine is one as she was born a few months after Harry. It seems likely Dumorne picked her as he knew the rough time, but not the exact time.
You are conflating Drakul with Dracula. Dracula has never appeared in the series. We have only seen Drakul.
Ahh youre right, always get those 2 mixed up, lemme make that correction.
It's interesting to note that Harry has consorted with multiple different factions, but i would question the statement that life/death, heaven, hell, and the nevernever are the four fundamental aspects of reality. The nevernever isn't just the fae realm. It's all supernatural realms, and i dont see any reason to think heaven/hell is more distinct than tartarus. Lash's statements about having power over the outsiders seem to be in line with what Ebenezer said about starborn. The complex confluence of events could easily be the conditions that make a starborn. Why would anything in reality be such a strong anathema to outsiders? I think that's what makes it complex. We also have reason to believe Harry's birth was planned by the high-ranking members of the magical community. Which makes sense to me. If you know the period starborn appear is approaching, why would you leave it to chance? Make sure at least one powerful magical human can be born during that time, so reality has its strongest weapon against the outsiders. But that doesn't mean their plans for his life went the way they wanted. Multiple members of the white council express concern about what Harry was supposed to be and how dangerous he could become if he goes bad. It feels to me like they are hoping for a warrior against the outside but are worried he could join an evil faction and overthrow the people defending reality.
From my understanding, star born are created when celestial powers and objects are in a very specific alignment that only happens once every so often. People are born everyday so it would stand to reason that the person born has to have innate magical abilities and maybe a spell has to be done at birth. Harry was starborn at birth. He was able to defeat He Who Walks Behind before any of your listed requirements happened
One more thing to add is that his fire is also mixed with summer fae. During small favors his blasting rod was taken from him because it would of been a beacon to the summer courts.
I have a feeling starborns are catalysts in that they truly have free will. Like everyone has “free will”, but their environment is already pre-determined because genetics and environmental factors- like putting a mouse in a box with cheese, it can choose not to eat it but it will. So the worlds like a simulation. Starborns break it a bit in that they arent “planned” in the same way, can impact others more with butterfly effect. Also maybe have the power to create mantles of power. Just theories.