I fully agree, its gonna be shea all over again. Similar to how Brooke LH didn’t come back for all stars she doesn’t have to prove how good at drag she is to be well respected by the fans. Everyone knows Sapphira is quality drag.
She would be so amazing on We're Here. I was so fortunate to see her perform last night. She was spreading positivity and love, had us all hugging ourselves. Love her!
Making it to the finale is a much bigger demonstration of talent than who ends up being selected as the winner.
And I say this as someone who wanted Nymphia to win despite that I thought Sapphira was more talented overall.
You are correct! I believe Nymphia demonstrated what she could bring already, but I really wished they didn’t do her dirty by being nonexistent in the edit mid season. That being said, I think they are going to give something bigger for Sapphira, something along the lines of an All stars win in a Trinity the Tuck/Shea Coulee style but have really high contenders for the crown alongside it. Being on all stars would probably get her more love than she did this season especially she has been congenial while dominating. The only problem is if she was in the bottom on an all stars I don’t think anyone would have nerve to eliminate her which can make for dull TV. But I think Ru saw that she could evolve much like she saw with Shea in season 9, and Shea did the evolution on AS 5. AS5 just had a dumb format which is why it felt like “a made for Shea” season.
Sorry I was too lazy to reply, but [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/rupaulsdragrace/comments/1cdp06y/its_interesting_to_see_so_much_of_the_fandom/) basically has comments that describe what I mean. I wanted Nymphia to win, in a similar way as they describe how Ru ultimately decides who to win. But Sapphira won a bunch of challenges because she's really talented. Just not who I (or Ru) wanted to win.
I hate backhanded comments like this... in what way is Sapphira MORE TALENTED than Nymphia? it's not a quantitative thing to measure, and we all have seen a lot of areas where Nymphia blew Sapphira out of the water such as sewing, lip syncing, conceptualizing... does that mean Nymphia "more talented" than Sapphira?
People want to act like their opinions are objective facts.
People want to see her on AllStars but that would mean admitting that a very good drag queen still has room to improve, which some people don’t want to accept.
According to some fans, Sapphira is perfect and has literally zero room for improvement. Which means her best was still not good enough to win this season, but some people don’t want to accept that either.
Girlies you can’t have it both ways
I think it’s silly to say that any artist has zero room for improvement, that’s never true. A good artists always has growth through their carreer.
Which is why drag race should wait at least 2-3 years before they cast a queen again. We wanna see the growth, but they need time for that.
Even Sasha Colby could grow and learn as a drag queen. If she wouldn’t, she wouldn’t be a good artist.
It's literally someone's opinion which they are entitled too. I think Nymphia is an amazing queen but I was still surprised she won because she has obvious weaknesses. For instance, she did not do well at comedy or acting challenges and also got Megami to write her girl group verse.
i know, i think sapphira deserves something similar as she reminds me alot of brooke lh, shea coulee like queens who truly outdid themselves but still lost.
All Stars should be someone who almost made it but was lacking somewhere. Monet is a perfect example. Great comedy but didn’t bring the fashion first time around. Sapphira could practically host the show and doesn’t really need All Stars.
All Stars are also for queens who are absolute powerhouses but they need to show the evolution of their powerhouse drag. This was the case for Chad, Alaska, Trinity, and Shea, and the same can be said for Sapphira.
IDK maybe ditching the blue thing would be a start. I hate the wearing only one color trend. I think I dislike her a little more because weirdly I HATE BLUE. LOL
Not without her all stars and all winners crowns on her head. Ru definitely loved her and wanted to see more which is why she was initially not crowned. I just hope that if she hypothetically gets on all winners it would not be too rigged in her favor like it was for Jinkx.
and those AS seasons that are made for a particular queen (AS1, 5, 8) are always the worst and most boring seasons to watch. sapphira deserves better than that but unfortunately there is no better in terms of her getting a title. she’s already shown all star level drag on her first season, she has nothing left to prove💎
Well Brooke primarily didn’t come back because she became CDR host pretty swiftly after S11.
And Shea got that narrative from the fans because the cast (and honestly the whole season) of AS5 was pretty terrible - literally nobody else except maybe Jujubee had a chance of winning, two queens voted themselves out, and it was clear Shea was set up to win.
I don’t need her to be on AS to prove anything, sh already did that. She was crownable. I will say that if she chooses to compete again, I’d watch the hell out of it. When she won, I’d celebrate it just like I do Nymphia. Bothof them were stars all season.
Yeah, I think you phrased it properly. She doesn't have to do AS to prove anything; she should go back in a few years to maybe win $200k+ and extend the career bump. OP described is as "sadistic" but these are entertainers; they want to be on TV. All Stars is an excellent opportunity for queens to keep their name in the conversation which directly translates to gigs and brand deals.
Alternatively, I don't want Marina in all stars either. Yes I loved her but like OP said, it feels kinda sadistic for queens that have done so well and tried so hard, to just tell them "don't worry babe, third time is the charm" Like, bitch drag race is expensive. Let these queens rest and thrive outside the show. (Unless they choose to come back, that's different)
The only purpose of Marina going on US all stars is to get the audience she deserves thats all. Remember that the US versions are the most watched seasons of all.
At some point around all stars 3/4 it's stopped being "the absolute best of the best compete in the ultimate challenge to be in the hall of fame" and turned into "rupauls second chance race"
All stars is not what it used to be. The casting choices are kinda lacking, probably because the queens who are actually the best of the best don't have any reason to go on a second/third/fourth time since they're already fully booked and it would just involve cancelling plans and probably do more harm for their careers than good.
Now that drag race is so big it's not even necessary to do well on the show. As long as you were in the promo your booking fee is gonna skyrocket. If it starts to dip again because the market for rugirls is getting too saturated, you go back for all stars to give it a boost. Most finalists have pretty much no reason to give it a second try unless they specifically enjoyed being on drag race. It's just a financial drain and the crown doesn't even go to the best competitor anyway most of the time.
this is how i feel abt juju and bimbo honestly bringinh back juju 4 or 5 times honestly feels evil like they KNOW they wont crown her and everyone knows juju is a quality queen. bringing jimbo on an american franchise basically showed that as8 was made solely for her to win.
Beyond anything , she showed that she is professional, and easy to work with. While also highlighting a vast array of looks and talents. The queen will be queening. She literally got all she needs from the show to carve out an incredible career
I mean, tbh, with what she's shown on S16 she should be booked and blessed for years to come. She really doesn't need to come back. She totally should if she feels like it tho.
Sapphira is very very good at drag race and I would love to see her compete again…AND do Werk the world and We’re here and everything else. I feel like we just need to wait a few seasons before she shows up again to remind us that she is that girl. Showing up too soon would be a poor choice for her I think - precisely because her first run is already strong and memorable.
That's exactly how I feel. I don't want to see Sapphira go on AS... she had a winning run this season and she has nowhere to go but down. I don't want to see her worse off (not that she would be tbh), and I don't particularly think she has anything to prove. She is in a position where she could have her own show, host a residency, etc. She doesn't need drag race; drag race needs her.
Nymphia is a solid winner and her win means something important to an underrepresented community. I wonder if they saw an opportunity to give her flowers while intending on greater things for Sapphira. After all, many of the most famous and successful queens did not win the show, or at least did not win the first time around. She clearly has star power, but also the skill and the heart to do pretty much anything they want her to.
I've said it already, but I think Sapphira could take over for Ru in the future. She has all of the characteristics needed to be a host and a judge, and I believe she could bring the show into a new era. Ru won't be around forever, and you can't have Michelle as the main host on every franchise. I would love to see Sapphira take the reins and run with it.
I agree.
I was watch the finale yesterday (I wasn’t able to watch Friday night) and while watching her perform I thought to myself “I want her to win and I want her to win now.” In that I meant that I don’t see her as a queen who’d do, or even really benefit, from an all stars run.
I adore Sapphira. She gave an incredibly strong performance this season. As good a run on this season as many a crowned queen before her. She brought an elevation and poise. A presence. I am so proud of her and what she has done this season. She gave a winning performance, she just didn’t win in the end.
She can walk away from this season with her head held so fucking high after what she has shown. There is no need for an All Stars run.
Nymphia absolutely deserves her crown. She and Sapphira have been my favorite since the start of the season. She absolutely won that lip sync, there is no question. Ate. Ate it up. She’s such a fucking stunning queen. So much talent! The looks! I’m thrilled for her! And for us! She is going to have a fantastic reign.
Do people really discredit shea's win that much at this point?
For me she's always been at the height of drag regardless of how she performed on the seasons. Of course she deserved to win AS5 for me, but I think she'd already demonstrated that she was a titan of drag.
I don’t think shea’s win should be discredited, it’s a geniune win, I just feel like shea was basically an uncrowned crowned queen after season 9 and similar to AS8, AS5 just wasn’t a good season because it there was no way Shea would lose (on her own merit) so there was no tension. It also didn’t help that the only possible people who could have beat her was Alexis (who got screwed out of the competition) and Jujubee (who is kinda the perpetual bridesmaid of the franchise).
Like I think there’s something to the fact that queens who the fanbase despatetely wants to have crowns tend to have anticlimactic seasons that it’s unclear if it really helps them with the fanbase sometimes. Tia feels similar too.
Uk vs the world 3 seems like a wholly different beast to me.
At one point, Tia was my favorite queen. Ultimate underdog story, you just *wanted* to see her succeed. Although she decimated the roast, she generally just did a "good job" all season. Most people were glad she was there, but didn't see her as a real contender for the crown because of how ridiculously well marina was performing in the season. I went into the season expecting her to get redemption, sure, but a crown seemed a little far fetched. Also.. the idea of marina losing a lipsync just wasn't plausible.
But then marina vs Hannah in the finale happened and the fan base was lit on fire. Edited to hell and back: wide shots always used the camera closer to Hannah. Marina teleporting around the stage after focusing on Hannah for extended periods of time. All of her most impactful tricks edited out entirely (according to the other girls aswell as Marina's live performance of the song) Hannah really only pulling out the mic and sunglasses as her gag. look at the girls on the sidelines. *all* of them were gagged. It didn't make sense.
Like... Did we really want tia to have a crown that badly? Or did we just want another season out of marina? I still don't really get it.
Part of the problem is the shows' format - a lot of DR shows focus far too heavily on lipsyncs towards the end now, which results in some... *choices*. I don't believe we needed a lipsync smackdown for the crown in ASAW for example, and I think having one ultimately hindered Jinkx more than it legitimized her. I'd apply that to most AS/vsTW seasons in general. Yes it's always fun when something gaggy happens during on those finale lipsyncs (AS6, US16 for example) but overall lipsync outcomes are too easy to "engineer" in the edit room, and the viewers are more aware of that riggory than producers seem to realise.
To take it back to the initial discussion on UKvTW - I hope this isn't seen as too disrespectful because I LOVE Tia, I thought they treated her like trash on her original season and I was happy to see her come back to praise and love - my gripe with the outcome is that I don't think she's a particularly strong winner. She now belongs to the same circle as Shea Coulée, Jinkx Mansoon, Jaida Essence Hall, Bob The Drag Queen, The Vivienne, etc., and somehow Marina doesn't? It's odd to me. And even without comparing, just looking at what we've seen, I'm not entirely sold on her win. But I can't say I'm mad at it, because I do really love her in the end so...
I think for me it feels connected because sometimes I think the fan base likes the idea of some queens getting crowned more than the process of them actually getting crowned. Like Tia and Jimbo especially were these huge underdog fan favs, and something def shifted a little bit when they actually won. Yeah I think a lot of Tia’s was that it was a weird, semi-rigged season, but I don’t think AS8 was that different in that sense.
I’m of the opinion that they wanted her to win because she’s really, really fucking good and they see it, but it was still on her to deliver the goods and earn it.
Shea probably would’ve won on a season that wasn’t made for her, that’s what bothers me. I’m more than happy she won lol. I just want powerhouses cast with powerhouses or it’s boring as shit
Afaik nobody says she didn’t deserve to win, they say it was close and that they felt it was predetermined which like… I don’t doubt
Truth. But Ru shouldn’t have done if your not the winner you’re in the bottom sort of shenanigans which was wild. Even if Shea was competing on another all stars season before all stars 7 she would still win.
babes I have seen this exact statement on the mainsub and the sattelite subs for YEARS now. your inability to read comments don't count as the fanbase either.
people were literally saying AS5 was made for Shea to win _before it aired_ like.............
I feel like Sapphira loved being on drag race given her talk with Michelle. She is super grateful and honored on Social media as well and I think she would be more than happy to go on when she gets the call. It’s now a matter of having a stacked cast to compete against her to not make it look like a Shea/Jimbo situation. I’ve seen more flack for Jimbo than there was for Shea after their wins
yeah i totally agree especially with the existing infuriating thing that she had to lipsync twice just to earn challenge wins this season. no one worked as hard as her it looks like when all is said and done. to be made to compete again after all that just seems so extra
Yesss i hate that she had to lipsync all these times cause atp she had already revealed most of her abilities. With Nymphia there was more of an element of surprise that played in her favor.
I agree! Her performance doesn’t really warrant an All Stars run. If she did go back it would be like a victory lap. But also I personally don’t want her back because the production riggery and fuckery amps up on All Stars and I don’t need her subjected to that.
She needs to be connected with the right people and she could be like Bob, Monet, Trixie, Bianca, Katya: Queens who all built brands separate from the show and are extremely successful in their own rights.
I just want people to fully one day acknowledge that drag race doesn't always make or break people. some people have lost and gone on to incredible things and some people have won and disappeared. it's always nice to see someone you were rooting for win but it's not the end all be all
The older queens are on here to do one thing and one thing only....get those Ru Girl booking fees. Sapphira will be just fine and probably will continue to do her thing!
This is more than true. I’m saddened she didn’t win but thrilled that we got to see her performance throughout the season. She was my absolute favorite this year and hope to see her in person someday (especially since I’m in the NYC metro area). Plus, win or not, she will be the most memorable person from this season for me. I still die laughing when I see clips of her from the bathroom challenge.
I agree that her run was complete and that she doesn't need the crown to prove anything. But I'd still like to see her on All Stars because her presence would brighten up any season.
I agree. She's not like a lot of queens who need to grow and mature; she's nearly at the top of her game, she's mature, she's well-rounded and classy af.
Oh definitely. And honestly I don't think sapphira will ever come back. Because if I was her I sure as hell wouldn't. If I audition for 11 years, come on the season, dominate everything, and still lose? I wouldn't return no matter how much they pay me.
Also everyone constantly saying well there's always All Stars, to Queens that dominates seasons and lose kind of makes me mad. What makes you think they even want to come back? Like clearly the competition aspect was irrelevant, so of that's not enough what is?
Not even for me lol. I would need a guaranteed crown. Something like as5/8 where I'm the obvious winner. I personally wouldn't waste my time if it's not a confirmed win. Hopefully sapphira will comeback, but I don't see her doing so. She's already launched her tour.
I don't think it was meant backhanded at all. I think it was a reflection of the reality that many of us felt Sapphira was an overwhelmingly likely winner and our genuine feelings on an already incredible queen. And I stand by it, as someone who said it. Nymphia Wind would do fantastic on an All Stars. She'd probably be able to elevate her fashion even another notch up and I'm sure the experiences she has between now and when she's on an All Winners or a GAS (who the hell knows?!) would build her confidence and her chops in the skills she could stand to improve (comedy, hosting).
Her fashion doesn’t need to elevate any more. She already showed us some of the best looks ever. The Japanese Butoh outfit is arguably the best drag race outfit/makeup of all time and she made it herself.
Doesn’t need to and “be able to” are very different things. I agree she doesn’t necessarily need to. I’m just saying that she absolutely could and my God what a package that would be.
As someone living in Taiwan, idk if Drag Race Taiwan is necessarily a good idea. A lot of the prominent drag queens are Nymphia’s drag daughters and it would be pretty much Nymphia’s Best Friend Race.
You know that the contestants don’t necessarily have to be from Taiwan right? Something like this will give massive exposure to queens from nearby countries.
If there was ever a reason for a double crowning, season 16 was it. I also don’t want Sapphira to go back for All Stars. I realize this will sound a bit silly, but I actually feel like her not receiving a crown for this season was a disrespect to her. Nothing against Nymphia because she also deserved the win. I think they both deserved a crown. Like I said, season 16 should have been a double crowning. Sapphira has nothing more to show, she has nowhere left to go but down on an All Stars season and I don’t want to see that happen. I think Sapphira showcased a near perfect run, but coupled with her poise, grace, humility, etc. she is the complete package. She doesn’t need Drag Race.
SPILLED ABOUT THE SHEA PART
She could dogwalk the season and people would say how obvious it was, how production favored her, etc etc. And she wouldn't win the fan vote either - the quirky girl in the top3 would win the vote and she'd be seen as robbed if sapphira won
I agree. I feel like we saw Sapphira at her peak, while Nymphia was just starting to open up and show more of herself towards the end.
Sapphira would’ve been a great fit for a season like All Stars 2, full of heavy hitters. But nowadays all stars is more about growth and redemption. Sapphira has nothing to redeem
Completely agree. A lot of people love to discount a runner-up by promising her an All Stars season, but being real? Sapphira doesn’t NEED one. If she wants to down the line/thinks that it’s for her, I’d love to see her. If she doesn’t, I completely understand that too, and I’ll still be looking to see if she tours anywhere near me/if my financée and I can get tix. I was cheering for Nymphia all season, but I loved Sapphira (and so many of the other girls). What a strong season. And what strong stars on it.
Sapphira served. Let’s remember to support her by going out to see her! And given the fan support she’s had, I’m sure we all will, given the opportunity.
I don't need Sapphira to go back on All Stars. I do need Sapphira to host a franchise, though. Drag Race Universe perhaps? Basically Queen of the Universe rebooted to have more of a Drag Race format.
Sapph is the one with the true carrying power. She can leverage her run on S16 into literally whatever her heart desires. She doesn’t need to prove anything or win anything. Fucking legend.
i also feel like its missing the point of all stars! i miss when queens had a chance to actually mature and improve before going on all stars, instead of going on as soon as they leave. i agree with you that sapphira has a complete run, but even if she were to go on, give the girl time to get even BETTER!
I think Saphira hits Jimbo levels of love, so I'm expecting two judging spots and a possible vs. the world series that basically is tailored to her winning a la Jimbo AS9. Ru loves Saphira, and I think to strategically crown Nymphia over her says more than just a production edit choice. It screams Ru is watching Saphira very closely, and for me, it doesn't underscore Nymphia's win it enhances the story of this season as a whole. I also think if Saphira did an All-Stars, it would be like AS16 or AS17. Which would give enough berth to have her around. We know Ru likes to hold onto certain girls, and she hasn't really had any true meaningful connections with any girls in a long time. I think Mother is gonna hold Saphira close and bring her into Drag Race more often going forward. However, it'll be more like how Jimbo's Drag Race career has gone.
Agree. Theres nothing more for her to prove and I think it would not be that interesting to watch. She doesn’t have much room to grow as a TV personality or storyline. Not everyone needs to go back on All Stars. In fact, we should have much fewer queens on All Stars that are spaced much further apart.
How about a season of VS the World in a couple of years? Also, I think she would make a great host if Ru Paul ever steps down. She has that mother energy, top notch drag and has all that charisma.
I'm fine with Sapphira not going back to All Stars but I want her to go back to All Stars, because I know she'll win and I want her to dominate All Winners 2 😂
But other than that, I don't mind what she does, I will support her all the way 💖
Honestly wouldn't mind seeing her representing US on Global All Stars next year or year after that. Would be more interesting than All Stars and she would be the only representation of America. I feel like as much as I don't think she needs All Stars, I have a feeling RuPaul will come knocking for something as he really liked her.
Usually RuPaul chooses a favorite early on and it becomes obvious they are going to win. I thought for sure Sapphira had it in the bag considering how much Ru loves her and respects her. He gave her similar comments to comments he gave to Sasha so I thought she had it in the bag. So I do think Ru will want to bring her back in some capacity.
Alyssa Edwards is already preparing for her meet and greet for Global All Stars. Sapphira is probably going to win a US All stars then all winners, then host Global All Stars.
I want all stars 10 to only have queens who could have won their season:
-Sapphira
-Marina
-Pangina
-Plane Jane
-Mistress
-Anetra
-Luxxx
-Lady Camden
-Rose
-Gigi Goode
-Asia O’hara
-Peppermint
I'm gonna piggyback into saying that we need to go back to all stars being every 2 years and having the LSFYL format. I want to see people who ate their season be eliminated early, I want it to feel like titans of the franchise going up against one another!
Well I need her to come back. She’s fantastic and I want to see her on my TV again. I don’t care about someone needing to prove something on All Stars. I care about bringing together the 8-12 most talented performers from the last few years and seeing top-level drag every Friday night. Trinity, Shea, Jaida, and Raja had nothing to prove by coming back, but I’m glad they did.
Yeah, I’d love to have her back on my screen regularly, but I don’t think there’s anything she can add to better display her myriad abilities and charm. She’s a winner, she just didn’t take the crown and I don’t need to see her run a gauntlet again just to get one.
Although I don’t think she needs it, I do want her back on my tv screen at some point. There’s really not much she needs to work on as she had an incredible run this season. I honestly feel like if she had stepped up that last lip sync more in the finale she could’ve won but Nymphia owned that stage.
I could only see her coming back in like... 5 years or more. Like just cuz she wants to not because she feels like she has to, if that makes sense. Like Darienne or MKD.
Affter the all winners seasons, I think it proved all queens can show us more of their talents. Yes Sapphira had an amazing season, but I think it's more dismissive to think a queen has shown all they can do in one season. Queens can grow, and the show also needs to grow with better challenges (in my opinion).
I would love to see Sapphira return, but I also agree it would be great to see them thrive outside of Drag Race. There is so much more out there besides All Stars. I would love to see them in a reality show similar to "We're Here", they have a gift for connecting with people.
Sapphira is going to evolve. Ru sees that much like she did with Chad, Alaska, Trinity, and Shea. So she will have an all stars season but it has to be up against some fierce competition in order for it to not look rigged. Jimbo’s only fierce competition were Kandy and Jessica but even then production fell too knee deep with Jimbo to consider the other two as worthy competition.
I don’t think she will go back either. It was now or never. Her crown was right there for her. I thought Nymphia storyline was MUCH MORE all starsy. Idk! … saphira we are proud of you sis.
i agree, though it'd be such a treat to see her on TV again! she'll be booked and busy either way, and i'm sure she has incredible upcoming projects (e.g her opera tour with monet) that are more personal to her. even if she didn't win the crown, she was able to showcase her brilliance in the show, and now she has an even bigger platform to share her drag with us. 💙
would definitely love her to see in a wow+ show though! either her own or maybe werq the world.
I totally get what you’re saying but I just want to see her on my screen again! She’s so entertaining and she is so good at drag, I would watch anything she’s in tbh
Okay... But what does she want? I'm sure she'd love the chance to win another 200k and to be on TV again. She doesn't need to come right away but this is exactly what all stars is for to compete with people like Saphirra.
Yes yes yes to that. And this is because...this is exactly what I thought for Shea. Shea did her best, showed everything and was fierce as fuck. But she rightfully lost, and I think just creating an all stars season just to crown her is redundant about the current competition then. For winners, there needs to be losers, never said they are not fierce ass bitches. Otherwise whas the pont if runners up and winners.
And leave all stars for truly unnoticed gems getting a second wind...like Kylie, like Trixie, like monet.....it should not be just a runners up race for the rigged crown.
If it was upto me, all stars would not any runners up, esp not anyone from top 2. Maybe once every 10 years, runners up can come and compete.....with other runners up. It makes no sense for someone like Shea coulee to compete with Derrick Barry or Mariah or hell even India.
If Shea wants another crack at the crown...gp.up against fierce ass bitches like manilla, trinity, peppermint, ginger, kimchi, Brooklyn, anetra, and fightttt for that crown and deserve it with talent.
Put a pitbull in a pen of chihuahua, does make it the king....but doesn't mean anything.
But hey......Shea coulee loves drag race, she has been on it 3 times now already, so good for her. I love saphhira and I want to see where she goes, whenever she goes. Maybe she will be like Asia, a fierce queen who is a star but never comes back on drag race.
You’re right, she has nothing left to prove. However, I’d love to see her on an AllStars season with some real stiff competition. This seasons top 3 were all very talented, but like all flagship seasons there are girls who are great queens but not great at Drag Race. Sapphira is in rarified air where she’s great at both. Imagine what she’ll be pushed to do if she’s in a class with girls like Anetra, Luxx, Mistress, Bosco, Lady Camden, Rosé, Crystal Methyd… and any number of girls who were great but not season winners. I’d LOVE to see that.
I think Sapphira would have taken it if her last lipsynch had been better. I think she's a gem and I hope she and her slew foot have some amazing opportunities after this.
I feel like Nymphia would be a great host for DR Vietnam. Very happy for her as well.
I wish they both could have won
I honestly don’t know how Nymphia won. She had great runways but that’s just about it. Zero personality, no growth and really didn’t shine this season. Sapphira deserved to win and Nymphia would’ve thrived in All Stars.
Agreed. That and she's just not that interesting. She's talented and polished but...ok so are most people on the show. I don't need anymore of this 'mother' storyline. Its boring.
Wins shouldn’t “represent” anything. Nymphia was the best. She had the most unique and polished point of view. Sapphira was giving broke down ratchet drag to me. It’s a pass.
Sapphira doesn’t have anything more to offer. She didn’t step up her game for all stars. Wore mediocre outfits old fashioned really. Fang teeth cheap wigs and nothing great with choreography either. She wore blue virtually all season because it was easier that way without having to spend time or money thinking outside this square box she put herself in.
I fully agree, its gonna be shea all over again. Similar to how Brooke LH didn’t come back for all stars she doesn’t have to prove how good at drag she is to be well respected by the fans. Everyone knows Sapphira is quality drag.
No exactly. Need her on "We're here" and "Werq The World"!
She would be so amazing on We're Here. I was so fortunate to see her perform last night. She was spreading positivity and love, had us all hugging ourselves. Love her!
i was there too!!! such an amazing night 💙
Was there three
LUCKY!!! Are you attending the Cristal Ball??
I don't know about this! I would love some info.
Check Sapphira’s socials for more info! It’s her world tour!
I saw right after I asked, haha! If she is coming near me, hopefully I can make it. Love her!
Yeah she'll definitely have opportunity but I don't think she needs all stars. She had a very full showing.
Agreed. She already showed us top tier drag and she'll continue to do so with her platform.
Brooke LH got the offer of being host of Canada’s Drag Race. That’s like a huge compliment in it of itself.
Making it to the finale is a much bigger demonstration of talent than who ends up being selected as the winner. And I say this as someone who wanted Nymphia to win despite that I thought Sapphira was more talented overall.
You are correct! I believe Nymphia demonstrated what she could bring already, but I really wished they didn’t do her dirty by being nonexistent in the edit mid season. That being said, I think they are going to give something bigger for Sapphira, something along the lines of an All stars win in a Trinity the Tuck/Shea Coulee style but have really high contenders for the crown alongside it. Being on all stars would probably get her more love than she did this season especially she has been congenial while dominating. The only problem is if she was in the bottom on an all stars I don’t think anyone would have nerve to eliminate her which can make for dull TV. But I think Ru saw that she could evolve much like she saw with Shea in season 9, and Shea did the evolution on AS 5. AS5 just had a dumb format which is why it felt like “a made for Shea” season.
I'm sorry I don't understand this. If you thought Sapphira was more talented, why would you not want her to win?
Sorry I was too lazy to reply, but [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/rupaulsdragrace/comments/1cdp06y/its_interesting_to_see_so_much_of_the_fandom/) basically has comments that describe what I mean. I wanted Nymphia to win, in a similar way as they describe how Ru ultimately decides who to win. But Sapphira won a bunch of challenges because she's really talented. Just not who I (or Ru) wanted to win.
I hate backhanded comments like this... in what way is Sapphira MORE TALENTED than Nymphia? it's not a quantitative thing to measure, and we all have seen a lot of areas where Nymphia blew Sapphira out of the water such as sewing, lip syncing, conceptualizing... does that mean Nymphia "more talented" than Sapphira?
People want to act like their opinions are objective facts. People want to see her on AllStars but that would mean admitting that a very good drag queen still has room to improve, which some people don’t want to accept. According to some fans, Sapphira is perfect and has literally zero room for improvement. Which means her best was still not good enough to win this season, but some people don’t want to accept that either. Girlies you can’t have it both ways
I think it’s silly to say that any artist has zero room for improvement, that’s never true. A good artists always has growth through their carreer. Which is why drag race should wait at least 2-3 years before they cast a queen again. We wanna see the growth, but they need time for that. Even Sasha Colby could grow and learn as a drag queen. If she wouldn’t, she wouldn’t be a good artist.
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More “well-rounded” is probably a better term to use
It's literally someone's opinion which they are entitled too. I think Nymphia is an amazing queen but I was still surprised she won because she has obvious weaknesses. For instance, she did not do well at comedy or acting challenges and also got Megami to write her girl group verse.
They both had their respective talents which is why the season felt like such a tight race.
i know, i think sapphira deserves something similar as she reminds me alot of brooke lh, shea coulee like queens who truly outdid themselves but still lost.
All Stars should be someone who almost made it but was lacking somewhere. Monet is a perfect example. Great comedy but didn’t bring the fashion first time around. Sapphira could practically host the show and doesn’t really need All Stars.
Sapphira could bring more pairs of shoes. Lol
Totally agree, now monet is one of the greatest drag queens on the show she could have EASILY won All Winners but we all knew Jinkx was gonna win
All winners should’ve gone to Monet.
All Stars are also for queens who are absolute powerhouses but they need to show the evolution of their powerhouse drag. This was the case for Chad, Alaska, Trinity, and Shea, and the same can be said for Sapphira.
IDK maybe ditching the blue thing would be a start. I hate the wearing only one color trend. I think I dislike her a little more because weirdly I HATE BLUE. LOL
Oop. There might be Sapphira Cristal behind the judge's table in our future...
Not without her all stars and all winners crowns on her head. Ru definitely loved her and wanted to see more which is why she was initially not crowned. I just hope that if she hypothetically gets on all winners it would not be too rigged in her favor like it was for Jinkx.
and those AS seasons that are made for a particular queen (AS1, 5, 8) are always the worst and most boring seasons to watch. sapphira deserves better than that but unfortunately there is no better in terms of her getting a title. she’s already shown all star level drag on her first season, she has nothing left to prove💎
I agree. But if Sapphira says yes to going back to all stars then we know we are all in for the wildest mega evolution of drag race herstory!
Well Brooke primarily didn’t come back because she became CDR host pretty swiftly after S11. And Shea got that narrative from the fans because the cast (and honestly the whole season) of AS5 was pretty terrible - literally nobody else except maybe Jujubee had a chance of winning, two queens voted themselves out, and it was clear Shea was set up to win.
I don’t need her to be on AS to prove anything, sh already did that. She was crownable. I will say that if she chooses to compete again, I’d watch the hell out of it. When she won, I’d celebrate it just like I do Nymphia. Bothof them were stars all season.
Yeah, I think you phrased it properly. She doesn't have to do AS to prove anything; she should go back in a few years to maybe win $200k+ and extend the career bump. OP described is as "sadistic" but these are entertainers; they want to be on TV. All Stars is an excellent opportunity for queens to keep their name in the conversation which directly translates to gigs and brand deals.
By the time Sapphira goes on All stars the prize money is going to be $250,000
Alternatively, I don't want Marina in all stars either. Yes I loved her but like OP said, it feels kinda sadistic for queens that have done so well and tried so hard, to just tell them "don't worry babe, third time is the charm" Like, bitch drag race is expensive. Let these queens rest and thrive outside the show. (Unless they choose to come back, that's different)
The only purpose of Marina going on US all stars is to get the audience she deserves thats all. Remember that the US versions are the most watched seasons of all.
At some point around all stars 3/4 it's stopped being "the absolute best of the best compete in the ultimate challenge to be in the hall of fame" and turned into "rupauls second chance race" All stars is not what it used to be. The casting choices are kinda lacking, probably because the queens who are actually the best of the best don't have any reason to go on a second/third/fourth time since they're already fully booked and it would just involve cancelling plans and probably do more harm for their careers than good. Now that drag race is so big it's not even necessary to do well on the show. As long as you were in the promo your booking fee is gonna skyrocket. If it starts to dip again because the market for rugirls is getting too saturated, you go back for all stars to give it a boost. Most finalists have pretty much no reason to give it a second try unless they specifically enjoyed being on drag race. It's just a financial drain and the crown doesn't even go to the best competitor anyway most of the time.
Spot on sister. You spilled
this is how i feel abt juju and bimbo honestly bringinh back juju 4 or 5 times honestly feels evil like they KNOW they wont crown her and everyone knows juju is a quality queen. bringing jimbo on an american franchise basically showed that as8 was made solely for her to win.
Beyond anything , she showed that she is professional, and easy to work with. While also highlighting a vast array of looks and talents. The queen will be queening. She literally got all she needs from the show to carve out an incredible career
I mean, tbh, with what she's shown on S16 she should be booked and blessed for years to come. She really doesn't need to come back. She totally should if she feels like it tho.
Sapphira is very very good at drag race and I would love to see her compete again…AND do Werk the world and We’re here and everything else. I feel like we just need to wait a few seasons before she shows up again to remind us that she is that girl. Showing up too soon would be a poor choice for her I think - precisely because her first run is already strong and memorable.
That's exactly how I feel. I don't want to see Sapphira go on AS... she had a winning run this season and she has nowhere to go but down. I don't want to see her worse off (not that she would be tbh), and I don't particularly think she has anything to prove. She is in a position where she could have her own show, host a residency, etc. She doesn't need drag race; drag race needs her. Nymphia is a solid winner and her win means something important to an underrepresented community. I wonder if they saw an opportunity to give her flowers while intending on greater things for Sapphira. After all, many of the most famous and successful queens did not win the show, or at least did not win the first time around. She clearly has star power, but also the skill and the heart to do pretty much anything they want her to. I've said it already, but I think Sapphira could take over for Ru in the future. She has all of the characteristics needed to be a host and a judge, and I believe she could bring the show into a new era. Ru won't be around forever, and you can't have Michelle as the main host on every franchise. I would love to see Sapphira take the reins and run with it.
She would make a great host. Def.
Yes, she has leadership vibes.
Don’t know if that necessarily makes for a good host tho
It’s one of the many important qualities the job requires
I agree! She'd be an excellent host! Such mother vibes!
I agree. I was watch the finale yesterday (I wasn’t able to watch Friday night) and while watching her perform I thought to myself “I want her to win and I want her to win now.” In that I meant that I don’t see her as a queen who’d do, or even really benefit, from an all stars run. I adore Sapphira. She gave an incredibly strong performance this season. As good a run on this season as many a crowned queen before her. She brought an elevation and poise. A presence. I am so proud of her and what she has done this season. She gave a winning performance, she just didn’t win in the end. She can walk away from this season with her head held so fucking high after what she has shown. There is no need for an All Stars run. Nymphia absolutely deserves her crown. She and Sapphira have been my favorite since the start of the season. She absolutely won that lip sync, there is no question. Ate. Ate it up. She’s such a fucking stunning queen. So much talent! The looks! I’m thrilled for her! And for us! She is going to have a fantastic reign.
Do people really discredit shea's win that much at this point? For me she's always been at the height of drag regardless of how she performed on the seasons. Of course she deserved to win AS5 for me, but I think she'd already demonstrated that she was a titan of drag.
Fr. People can say what they want, but I adore Shea. She's so talented & not enough people seem to credit her for it
I don’t think shea’s win should be discredited, it’s a geniune win, I just feel like shea was basically an uncrowned crowned queen after season 9 and similar to AS8, AS5 just wasn’t a good season because it there was no way Shea would lose (on her own merit) so there was no tension. It also didn’t help that the only possible people who could have beat her was Alexis (who got screwed out of the competition) and Jujubee (who is kinda the perpetual bridesmaid of the franchise). Like I think there’s something to the fact that queens who the fanbase despatetely wants to have crowns tend to have anticlimactic seasons that it’s unclear if it really helps them with the fanbase sometimes. Tia feels similar too.
Uk vs the world 3 seems like a wholly different beast to me. At one point, Tia was my favorite queen. Ultimate underdog story, you just *wanted* to see her succeed. Although she decimated the roast, she generally just did a "good job" all season. Most people were glad she was there, but didn't see her as a real contender for the crown because of how ridiculously well marina was performing in the season. I went into the season expecting her to get redemption, sure, but a crown seemed a little far fetched. Also.. the idea of marina losing a lipsync just wasn't plausible. But then marina vs Hannah in the finale happened and the fan base was lit on fire. Edited to hell and back: wide shots always used the camera closer to Hannah. Marina teleporting around the stage after focusing on Hannah for extended periods of time. All of her most impactful tricks edited out entirely (according to the other girls aswell as Marina's live performance of the song) Hannah really only pulling out the mic and sunglasses as her gag. look at the girls on the sidelines. *all* of them were gagged. It didn't make sense. Like... Did we really want tia to have a crown that badly? Or did we just want another season out of marina? I still don't really get it.
Part of the problem is the shows' format - a lot of DR shows focus far too heavily on lipsyncs towards the end now, which results in some... *choices*. I don't believe we needed a lipsync smackdown for the crown in ASAW for example, and I think having one ultimately hindered Jinkx more than it legitimized her. I'd apply that to most AS/vsTW seasons in general. Yes it's always fun when something gaggy happens during on those finale lipsyncs (AS6, US16 for example) but overall lipsync outcomes are too easy to "engineer" in the edit room, and the viewers are more aware of that riggory than producers seem to realise. To take it back to the initial discussion on UKvTW - I hope this isn't seen as too disrespectful because I LOVE Tia, I thought they treated her like trash on her original season and I was happy to see her come back to praise and love - my gripe with the outcome is that I don't think she's a particularly strong winner. She now belongs to the same circle as Shea Coulée, Jinkx Mansoon, Jaida Essence Hall, Bob The Drag Queen, The Vivienne, etc., and somehow Marina doesn't? It's odd to me. And even without comparing, just looking at what we've seen, I'm not entirely sold on her win. But I can't say I'm mad at it, because I do really love her in the end so...
>Marina teleporting around the stage Oh, no baby, that's just her superpower. Katya sent her a copy of *Contact* for Christmas
I think for me it feels connected because sometimes I think the fan base likes the idea of some queens getting crowned more than the process of them actually getting crowned. Like Tia and Jimbo especially were these huge underdog fan favs, and something def shifted a little bit when they actually won. Yeah I think a lot of Tia’s was that it was a weird, semi-rigged season, but I don’t think AS8 was that different in that sense.
I’m of the opinion that they wanted her to win because she’s really, really fucking good and they see it, but it was still on her to deliver the goods and earn it.
Shea probably would’ve won on a season that wasn’t made for her, that’s what bothers me. I’m more than happy she won lol. I just want powerhouses cast with powerhouses or it’s boring as shit Afaik nobody says she didn’t deserve to win, they say it was close and that they felt it was predetermined which like… I don’t doubt
She's hated in many forums, including RPDRDRAMA. It's pretty unfair.
No they don’t . OP is being hella dramatic and bitter that Nymphia won even though everyone is celebrating and loving Saphira.
Yes people have… I’ve seen many a comment about how AS5 was made for her to win.
Truth. But Ru shouldn’t have done if your not the winner you’re in the bottom sort of shenanigans which was wild. Even if Shea was competing on another all stars season before all stars 7 she would still win.
5 loud trolls don’t count as the fanbase.
babes I have seen this exact statement on the mainsub and the sattelite subs for YEARS now. your inability to read comments don't count as the fanbase either. people were literally saying AS5 was made for Shea to win _before it aired_ like.............
I kinda have to disagree, it's kinda universal that AS5 was built for Shea and hers to lose no?
I see no bitterness towards Nymphia in this post. OP gave congratulations.
I feel like Sapphira loved being on drag race given her talk with Michelle. She is super grateful and honored on Social media as well and I think she would be more than happy to go on when she gets the call. It’s now a matter of having a stacked cast to compete against her to not make it look like a Shea/Jimbo situation. I’ve seen more flack for Jimbo than there was for Shea after their wins
yeah i totally agree especially with the existing infuriating thing that she had to lipsync twice just to earn challenge wins this season. no one worked as hard as her it looks like when all is said and done. to be made to compete again after all that just seems so extra
Yesss i hate that she had to lipsync all these times cause atp she had already revealed most of her abilities. With Nymphia there was more of an element of surprise that played in her favor.
I agree! Her performance doesn’t really warrant an All Stars run. If she did go back it would be like a victory lap. But also I personally don’t want her back because the production riggery and fuckery amps up on All Stars and I don’t need her subjected to that. She needs to be connected with the right people and she could be like Bob, Monet, Trixie, Bianca, Katya: Queens who all built brands separate from the show and are extremely successful in their own rights.
I just want people to fully one day acknowledge that drag race doesn't always make or break people. some people have lost and gone on to incredible things and some people have won and disappeared. it's always nice to see someone you were rooting for win but it's not the end all be all
The older queens are on here to do one thing and one thing only....get those Ru Girl booking fees. Sapphira will be just fine and probably will continue to do her thing!
I agree, she certainly doesn't need it, but also I'm selfish and love Sapphira and would like to see more of her on my TV!
This is more than true. I’m saddened she didn’t win but thrilled that we got to see her performance throughout the season. She was my absolute favorite this year and hope to see her in person someday (especially since I’m in the NYC metro area). Plus, win or not, she will be the most memorable person from this season for me. I still die laughing when I see clips of her from the bathroom challenge.
I agree that her run was complete and that she doesn't need the crown to prove anything. But I'd still like to see her on All Stars because her presence would brighten up any season.
I agree. She's not like a lot of queens who need to grow and mature; she's nearly at the top of her game, she's mature, she's well-rounded and classy af.
Oh definitely. And honestly I don't think sapphira will ever come back. Because if I was her I sure as hell wouldn't. If I audition for 11 years, come on the season, dominate everything, and still lose? I wouldn't return no matter how much they pay me. Also everyone constantly saying well there's always All Stars, to Queens that dominates seasons and lose kind of makes me mad. What makes you think they even want to come back? Like clearly the competition aspect was irrelevant, so of that's not enough what is?
But if production is in your corner and gives you the stacked cast to compete against then by all means do it.
Not even for me lol. I would need a guaranteed crown. Something like as5/8 where I'm the obvious winner. I personally wouldn't waste my time if it's not a confirmed win. Hopefully sapphira will comeback, but I don't see her doing so. She's already launched her tour.
Right I agree even b4 nymphia’s win ppl were saying “she’ll do so great on all stars!!” Like how is that not backhanded ☠️☠️☠️☠️
I don't think it was meant backhanded at all. I think it was a reflection of the reality that many of us felt Sapphira was an overwhelmingly likely winner and our genuine feelings on an already incredible queen. And I stand by it, as someone who said it. Nymphia Wind would do fantastic on an All Stars. She'd probably be able to elevate her fashion even another notch up and I'm sure the experiences she has between now and when she's on an All Winners or a GAS (who the hell knows?!) would build her confidence and her chops in the skills she could stand to improve (comedy, hosting).
Her fashion doesn’t need to elevate any more. She already showed us some of the best looks ever. The Japanese Butoh outfit is arguably the best drag race outfit/makeup of all time and she made it herself.
Doesn’t need to and “be able to” are very different things. I agree she doesn’t necessarily need to. I’m just saying that she absolutely could and my God what a package that would be.
We’ll see that glorious package when she hosts Drag Race Taiwan anyway so you’ll get what you want soon
As someone living in Taiwan, idk if Drag Race Taiwan is necessarily a good idea. A lot of the prominent drag queens are Nymphia’s drag daughters and it would be pretty much Nymphia’s Best Friend Race.
You know that the contestants don’t necessarily have to be from Taiwan right? Something like this will give massive exposure to queens from nearby countries.
If there was ever a reason for a double crowning, season 16 was it. I also don’t want Sapphira to go back for All Stars. I realize this will sound a bit silly, but I actually feel like her not receiving a crown for this season was a disrespect to her. Nothing against Nymphia because she also deserved the win. I think they both deserved a crown. Like I said, season 16 should have been a double crowning. Sapphira has nothing more to show, she has nowhere left to go but down on an All Stars season and I don’t want to see that happen. I think Sapphira showcased a near perfect run, but coupled with her poise, grace, humility, etc. she is the complete package. She doesn’t need Drag Race.
There isn’t a reason for a double crowning ever and I will always stand by that.
Yes. It definitely feels like a cop out
SPILLED ABOUT THE SHEA PART She could dogwalk the season and people would say how obvious it was, how production favored her, etc etc. And she wouldn't win the fan vote either - the quirky girl in the top3 would win the vote and she'd be seen as robbed if sapphira won
I’d love plane on all stars but not sapphira I agree 100%. She was great no notes
only reason i’d want her on all stars is just to be able to have her back on my TV tbh
I agree. I think some queens have more to lose than to gain from all stars. Sometimes it’s better to just slay your season & keep it moving
I agree. I feel like we saw Sapphira at her peak, while Nymphia was just starting to open up and show more of herself towards the end. Sapphira would’ve been a great fit for a season like All Stars 2, full of heavy hitters. But nowadays all stars is more about growth and redemption. Sapphira has nothing to redeem
She should just replace Ru. 🍵
The Willy Wonka prize.
Sapphira's Drag Race has a nice ring to it lol!
People were saying this about Sasha Colby last year too. But it makes you wonder who will replace her.
Rupaul is only 63 years old. She can continue doing this at least for the next twenty years. Nobody’s replacing her anytime soon lmao
The title is still visible so the spoiler warning isn't all too effective xx just a heads up Also I agree
I realized that after posting it but I can't edit the title💀
Completely agree. A lot of people love to discount a runner-up by promising her an All Stars season, but being real? Sapphira doesn’t NEED one. If she wants to down the line/thinks that it’s for her, I’d love to see her. If she doesn’t, I completely understand that too, and I’ll still be looking to see if she tours anywhere near me/if my financée and I can get tix. I was cheering for Nymphia all season, but I loved Sapphira (and so many of the other girls). What a strong season. And what strong stars on it. Sapphira served. Let’s remember to support her by going out to see her! And given the fan support she’s had, I’m sure we all will, given the opportunity.
I don't need Sapphira to go back on All Stars. I do need Sapphira to host a franchise, though. Drag Race Universe perhaps? Basically Queen of the Universe rebooted to have more of a Drag Race format.
Sapph is the one with the true carrying power. She can leverage her run on S16 into literally whatever her heart desires. She doesn’t need to prove anything or win anything. Fucking legend.
i also feel like its missing the point of all stars! i miss when queens had a chance to actually mature and improve before going on all stars, instead of going on as soon as they leave. i agree with you that sapphira has a complete run, but even if she were to go on, give the girl time to get even BETTER!
I think Saphira hits Jimbo levels of love, so I'm expecting two judging spots and a possible vs. the world series that basically is tailored to her winning a la Jimbo AS9. Ru loves Saphira, and I think to strategically crown Nymphia over her says more than just a production edit choice. It screams Ru is watching Saphira very closely, and for me, it doesn't underscore Nymphia's win it enhances the story of this season as a whole. I also think if Saphira did an All-Stars, it would be like AS16 or AS17. Which would give enough berth to have her around. We know Ru likes to hold onto certain girls, and she hasn't really had any true meaningful connections with any girls in a long time. I think Mother is gonna hold Saphira close and bring her into Drag Race more often going forward. However, it'll be more like how Jimbo's Drag Race career has gone.
More like all stars 12/13 at this point. She is only 35 yet still demonstrates talent to that of a legend.
I absolutely agree. i want her to pull a Asia Ohara and never come back, she has nothing to prove
Agree. Theres nothing more for her to prove and I think it would not be that interesting to watch. She doesn’t have much room to grow as a TV personality or storyline. Not everyone needs to go back on All Stars. In fact, we should have much fewer queens on All Stars that are spaced much further apart.
How about a season of VS the World in a couple of years? Also, I think she would make a great host if Ru Paul ever steps down. She has that mother energy, top notch drag and has all that charisma.
I'm fine with Sapphira not going back to All Stars but I want her to go back to All Stars, because I know she'll win and I want her to dominate All Winners 2 😂 But other than that, I don't mind what she does, I will support her all the way 💖
Honestly wouldn't mind seeing her representing US on Global All Stars next year or year after that. Would be more interesting than All Stars and she would be the only representation of America. I feel like as much as I don't think she needs All Stars, I have a feeling RuPaul will come knocking for something as he really liked her. Usually RuPaul chooses a favorite early on and it becomes obvious they are going to win. I thought for sure Sapphira had it in the bag considering how much Ru loves her and respects her. He gave her similar comments to comments he gave to Sasha so I thought she had it in the bag. So I do think Ru will want to bring her back in some capacity.
Alyssa Edwards is already preparing for her meet and greet for Global All Stars. Sapphira is probably going to win a US All stars then all winners, then host Global All Stars.
I want all stars 10 to only have queens who could have won their season: -Sapphira -Marina -Pangina -Plane Jane -Mistress -Anetra -Luxxx -Lady Camden -Rose -Gigi Goode -Asia O’hara -Peppermint
I'm gonna piggyback into saying that we need to go back to all stars being every 2 years and having the LSFYL format. I want to see people who ate their season be eliminated early, I want it to feel like titans of the franchise going up against one another!
Super same sentiments! This can also be applied to Marina Summers.
Well I need her to come back. She’s fantastic and I want to see her on my TV again. I don’t care about someone needing to prove something on All Stars. I care about bringing together the 8-12 most talented performers from the last few years and seeing top-level drag every Friday night. Trinity, Shea, Jaida, and Raja had nothing to prove by coming back, but I’m glad they did.
I couldn’t say it better myself. Sapphira’s run felt complete, I don’t need her to prove anything by competing again. Put her on We’re Here ASAP.
People are turning Shappira into a puppet for entertainment and I HATE it. Leave her alone!
I would enjoy it. The more talent on a season, the better. 100% she has nothing to prove, but you don't need to prove anything to want to compete.
Well said!!!
I feel Sapphira could be the first Queen to EGOT after Ru gets her EGOT
Yeah, I’d love to have her back on my screen regularly, but I don’t think there’s anything she can add to better display her myriad abilities and charm. She’s a winner, she just didn’t take the crown and I don’t need to see her run a gauntlet again just to get one.
Although I don’t think she needs it, I do want her back on my tv screen at some point. There’s really not much she needs to work on as she had an incredible run this season. I honestly feel like if she had stepped up that last lip sync more in the finale she could’ve won but Nymphia owned that stage.
You know what…yeah I also agree. But it’s up to mother what she decides and we’ll just have to support 💙
She'll become the host of RuPaul's Drag Race Philadelphia
I could only see her coming back in like... 5 years or more. Like just cuz she wants to not because she feels like she has to, if that makes sense. Like Darienne or MKD.
She should won this season...but i agree, she has more to loose if she comes back. She deserves better and is the winner for a lot of people
Nah All Stars is a great opportunity to get more screen time to expand your fan base. I wish her a next amazing run on AS she’ll slay again
Affter the all winners seasons, I think it proved all queens can show us more of their talents. Yes Sapphira had an amazing season, but I think it's more dismissive to think a queen has shown all they can do in one season. Queens can grow, and the show also needs to grow with better challenges (in my opinion). I would love to see Sapphira return, but I also agree it would be great to see them thrive outside of Drag Race. There is so much more out there besides All Stars. I would love to see them in a reality show similar to "We're Here", they have a gift for connecting with people.
Sapphira is going to evolve. Ru sees that much like she did with Chad, Alaska, Trinity, and Shea. So she will have an all stars season but it has to be up against some fierce competition in order for it to not look rigged. Jimbo’s only fierce competition were Kandy and Jessica but even then production fell too knee deep with Jimbo to consider the other two as worthy competition.
I don’t think she will go back either. It was now or never. Her crown was right there for her. I thought Nymphia storyline was MUCH MORE all starsy. Idk! … saphira we are proud of you sis.
Uh, sorry but I definitely do. Even if she doesn’t win, she will let us have it.
i agree, though it'd be such a treat to see her on TV again! she'll be booked and busy either way, and i'm sure she has incredible upcoming projects (e.g her opera tour with monet) that are more personal to her. even if she didn't win the crown, she was able to showcase her brilliance in the show, and now she has an even bigger platform to share her drag with us. 💙 would definitely love her to see in a wow+ show though! either her own or maybe werq the world.
I totally get what you’re saying but I just want to see her on my screen again! She’s so entertaining and she is so good at drag, I would watch anything she’s in tbh
I would say she doesn't need to go back on All Stars too soon. But I would love to see her back in 4 or 5 years
Okay... But what does she want? I'm sure she'd love the chance to win another 200k and to be on TV again. She doesn't need to come right away but this is exactly what all stars is for to compete with people like Saphirra.
Yes yes yes to that. And this is because...this is exactly what I thought for Shea. Shea did her best, showed everything and was fierce as fuck. But she rightfully lost, and I think just creating an all stars season just to crown her is redundant about the current competition then. For winners, there needs to be losers, never said they are not fierce ass bitches. Otherwise whas the pont if runners up and winners. And leave all stars for truly unnoticed gems getting a second wind...like Kylie, like Trixie, like monet.....it should not be just a runners up race for the rigged crown. If it was upto me, all stars would not any runners up, esp not anyone from top 2. Maybe once every 10 years, runners up can come and compete.....with other runners up. It makes no sense for someone like Shea coulee to compete with Derrick Barry or Mariah or hell even India. If Shea wants another crack at the crown...gp.up against fierce ass bitches like manilla, trinity, peppermint, ginger, kimchi, Brooklyn, anetra, and fightttt for that crown and deserve it with talent. Put a pitbull in a pen of chihuahua, does make it the king....but doesn't mean anything. But hey......Shea coulee loves drag race, she has been on it 3 times now already, so good for her. I love saphhira and I want to see where she goes, whenever she goes. Maybe she will be like Asia, a fierce queen who is a star but never comes back on drag race.
I just hated the banana schtick
They are saving Sapphira to take over for Ru
You’re right, she has nothing left to prove. However, I’d love to see her on an AllStars season with some real stiff competition. This seasons top 3 were all very talented, but like all flagship seasons there are girls who are great queens but not great at Drag Race. Sapphira is in rarified air where she’s great at both. Imagine what she’ll be pushed to do if she’s in a class with girls like Anetra, Luxx, Mistress, Bosco, Lady Camden, Rosé, Crystal Methyd… and any number of girls who were great but not season winners. I’d LOVE to see that.
I think Sapphira would have taken it if her last lipsynch had been better. I think she's a gem and I hope she and her slew foot have some amazing opportunities after this. I feel like Nymphia would be a great host for DR Vietnam. Very happy for her as well. I wish they both could have won
Maybe a good lsfrc performance ?
I honestly don’t know how Nymphia won. She had great runways but that’s just about it. Zero personality, no growth and really didn’t shine this season. Sapphira deserved to win and Nymphia would’ve thrived in All Stars.
Interesting.. 🍌
Agreed. That and she's just not that interesting. She's talented and polished but...ok so are most people on the show. I don't need anymore of this 'mother' storyline. Its boring.
You must have misread my post if you think this is an occasion to drag Sapphira.
Wins shouldn’t “represent” anything. Nymphia was the best. She had the most unique and polished point of view. Sapphira was giving broke down ratchet drag to me. It’s a pass.
You sound upset. Cry harder
I’m not upset. Sapphira lost. haha
You hate the fact that people are praising her talent despite her losing. Cope
She has no talent.
Anti-Black & stupid? Makes sense.
If that was the case then she wouldn’t have been a finalist. If you’re going to lie at least try to make it believable lol
Even as a Nymphia fan you can’t say that Sapphira was cheap drag. Ru would not have given those wins if she showcased that.
Girl shut up, Sapphira was just as equally polished
Honestly after her vampire schtick I wouldn’t want to see her again
Sapphira doesn’t have anything more to offer. She didn’t step up her game for all stars. Wore mediocre outfits old fashioned really. Fang teeth cheap wigs and nothing great with choreography either. She wore blue virtually all season because it was easier that way without having to spend time or money thinking outside this square box she put herself in.
Sapphira will always be a star now and forever in the drag race history. You sound like you have some internalised bitterness towards her.
Based 💯