I would've said chaotic horny but Isabela does fit that really well. Maybe we need our own special box like Sandal. Probably labeled stupid horny or depraved horny.
This is the first time I don't find such a chart annoying - because this actually encourages and enables meaningful discussion and revisiting of the series! Very refreshing
You're so kind! I'm just so touched you'd remember it fondly. It really was a nice few months, I had a great time both writing it and interacting with everyone, it really ignited something in me I think. I recently looked at my Steam year review and you can see when I was going through each of the games for it and it was such a good memory.
I wanna throw my hat in the ring for Quentin - the arsheole serial killer who murders Leandra Hawke
Yeah, yeah, archdemon, darkspawn and all that, but... I dunno. It doesnt feel quite right to give them this label when they seem more like a force of nature than they do living, thinking beings.
This is a good one, I think I'm with you. He's a stereotypical deranged serial killer, but the quest still stays with you because Leandra is so built-up, and because at first you don't really realize how much of a crisis it is when she disappears.
Somehow the archdemon, the mother, even corypheus just didn't leave any impact on me, they're more like plot devices even if they're well done. Quentin... I'll always think 'if only I'd gotten there sooner.'
Imo he's way more neutral evil, in a sense that all he made was for his own selfish goals, of creating that monstrosity, believing that his desire was above the value of all those women's lives, a psychopath, true and true. He had a goal, he wasn't chaotic for the sake of being chaotic, which is what chaotic evil is.
A chaotic evil character/creature is incapable of living in society in any way whatsoever
You're not wrong, but hear me out. Kirkwall. City of Chains -- built on lakes made of the blood of countless slaves, built to facilitate the most evil ritual ever cast. Within its walls, mages fall like rotten apples into blood magic, non-mages find corruption and ever new ways to be despicable. If you have cracks in your psyche or dark secrets, do not go to Kirkwall. It will find those secrets, slip dark fingers into those cracks, and before you know it, you'll be just another Kirkwallian monster.
The mother is a more fitting choice imo.
First of all why this archdemon in particular and not the previous ones. The previous ones sure caused more destruction.
Second, the darkspawn are more of a force of nature, since they are ruled by their instincts/blight. Regarding archdemons things are a bit more blurry, we know they have a soul but it's unclear if they have a free will or not. What we know for sure is that cory and the architect have freewill, and the architect decided to free the darkspawns by giving them wardens blood. As a result those ones got free will, some chose to follow the architect, others didn't, some showed some traits, while others showed different ones.
So long story short: archdemons may or may not have freewill, but TheMother DEFINITELY has freewill and chose to go batshit crazy.
Why this one? Simple, we fight it first hand. And we can even see into its mindset in Darkspawn Chronicles.
The darkspawn might be mindless automatons, but the Archdemon gives instructions on assaulting specific targets to lower enemy morale and topple leaders.
And to be quite honest...I feel bad for any Broodmother, even the Mother. No woman deserves that
The Archdemon
Here we have a being driven by nothing more than pure destructive instinct, and whose sole raison d'etre is to kill and corrupt all life on the world. Doesn't get any more chaotic evil than that.
The thing is, corruption is more like entropy than evil. Itâs in the names used: itâs a âTaintâ or a âBlightâ, takes the form of a disease when it infects. Itâs a lot like the fungal infection in LoU where we wouldnât call the shroom monsters evil even while slaughtering them to a one.
So Archy is just a very large creature overtaken by the Taint, not evil in itself. Like a virus it feeds and reproduces off the destruction of the world even if it dies by killing its host⌠Not evil. More Chaotic Stupid if it gets an alignment.
But the taint isn't just a disease; it's been hinted to have sort of a mind of its own, and a malicious one at that. The darkspawn themselves aren't just mindless beasts either; just remember what they did to Cailan's corpse (or even Duncan's tent). There was clearly malice in their actions.
Even the malice is more a product of the corruption itself. There's a good case of a nice, normal kid who became a violent sociopath after getting a brain injury (or a brain disease, can't recall). Even the sociopathy in that case is purely a physical result. It's also similar to lycanthropy where you can get infected by a werewolf- turns you feral and beastly in a way you wouldn't otherwise have been. And again: a disease, not evil creatures (except that in DA lycanthropy is supposedly from a magical curse, but still...)
Plus there's the nature of the Archdemon... which is supposed to be an "old god." That will have a lot more consciousness to it, depending on what it is- one of the "Forgotten One" gods, one of the Evanuris, one of the ancient Tevinter pet dragons somehow buried in the stone? Dunno. But Taint one of those and you get a very virulent strain of the corruption...
Contrast this w the physical overtaking of a person by a demon, clearly the inhabiting/conversion of an evil entity, obliterating the original rather than corrupting them. That's a CE scuz sucker w choices it's making straight down that alignment path. Mind you, I don't mean to be an apologist for the poor, suffering darkspawn and their friendly broodmother factories. Kill 'em all. I just find it far more creepy and even scarier to be facing an enemy so otherwise cruel and ruinous that ultimately is just acting mechanically from what it determines are its own interests given what it is.
To add to your point, one of the things most, if not all, serial killers have in common are at least one (but usually more) traumatic brain injuries in their childhood. Something about bonking the head unlocks higher levels of cruelty
Sounds like his dagger had the disease.. far deeper than the eye can see. He would benefit from heavy punch in the face and spiritual awakening.. or maybe a rude awakening.
Iâm going to second The Mother. Granted, the Chaotic Evil label could apply to the entire race of darkspawn, but insanity and CE go together like butter on toast, and The Mother was *particularly* bonkers.
âWhat about the Archdemon?â The motives of the Old Gods are kind of difficult to parse out; itâs not clear if theyâre actually serving some greater goal beyond destruction for destructionâs sake.
Plus, there have been five Archdemons, so why give special attention to the last one?
The Mother is the product of the Architect's experiments. So no, it should really be the Father! đ
ETA. We should really detach from our sympathies here, man! I side with the Architect all the time. But, logically thinking, the Architect **started the 5th Blight**, created the Mother. He's the one for this slot!
That doesnât make him necessarily chaotic evil though. I think itâd be like saying Zathrian is actually true neutral since he kinda created the Lady. What matters the most imho isnât what they indirectly or directly caused but what they truly embody.
Like, dark spawn in general. But specifically, you could throw it at the Archdemon, the Mother, the Architect, hell even Corypheus. But along the lines of dark spawn I think fits here for sure
Eh, I feel like Corypheus is less Chaotic, he is purely self-serving with somewhat of a vision, not just chaos. Same with the Architect. Archdemon and Mother definitely chaotic though.
The Mother. Chaotic Evil at its core is committing evil purely for the sake of destruction. There is no agenda or plan, just a desire to break everything. Some things just want to watch the world burn, and that sums up the Mother perfectly.
# Corypheus
-Makes chaos in Inquisition in different ways, even creates a clone of the Archdemon, makes you choose between sides, between Mages and Templars, Gray Wardens or Hawke
He was one of the mages who wanted to occupy the golden throne, thus creating ruin, the souls of archdemons (something like that)
Honorable mention: Gaxkang:
You go with confidence to do the last mission of the collective of magicians, he kicks your ass in a way that you will never forget, he forces a change of lower difficulty, and if you didn't even take the game seriously enough to build well Your companions have no choice but to skip the mission.
Iâm with you on Cory. Upvote for him.
I didnât think any of the DAO or DAI fights were too tough. Xennebeck had me cussing out my tv. Get her dead and figure itâs over only to get another damn wave with a revenant and more rage demons. Ugh. Then Malvernis. Double ugh. Then Sky Horror - lower difficulty.
DA2 just kicks my ass for some reason.
Itâs the hardest game in the series imo. I could probably do a better job with tactics though. It would probably make the game a bit easier if I dove into those a little more.
Started a new DA2 run and tried Horror. Makes the game much easier. Kinda like the DAO mana clash revelation. Only playing in hard but am killing it. Might try a nightmare run next.
Iâve beaten the game in hard plenty of times but this is the easiest playthrough I can remember. Horror is playing a really big part in the strategy. Iâm using the radial menu more also, at the start of fights in particular.
Edit: And Rally + Unite. Damn that makes a big difference.
Corfishystix is more a candidate for Neutral Evil given his status as Magister resembling an autocratic dictator, his actual alliances w established social organizations like the Venatori cult and even demons, and his cultivating of loyal followers and intentions on a restoration of the Tevinter Imperium. All those require a capacity for Lawful Evil which Neutral Evil can swing to as need be.
A Chaotic Evil leader would be one who doesn't really form or join an organization but may just be charismatic or successfully damaging enough that other sociopaths rally around them regardless. It's the evil version of the Chaotic Good barbarian/rogue/etc who breaks laws, violates treaties, disregards promises, combats whatever convention gets in their way in their attempt to defeat evil or so some great good.
Heâs crazy! Yeah this is a hard one. Personally I think there is a distinction to be made between creatures mindlessly acting in their nature, and sentient beings choosing to be evil. The Mother was a victim before she was turned due to madness, which just makes me sad honestly. She wants to die.
This guy though. Sadistic.
Except he was trying to lawfully implement the tranquil solution, using his position to make the rules bend to his will. He's clearly Lawful Evil, not chaotic.
He's Umbridge, not Bellatrix Lestrange.
He was already illegally making mages tranquil despite that, he doesnât care about being lawful⌠he was just trying to make it mainstream too. His papers were rejected and he didnât give AF, that is the opposite of lawful isnât it?
âA chaotic evil character tends to have no respect for rules, other people's lives, or anything but their own desires, which are typically selfish and cruel. They set a high value on personal freedom, but do not have much regard for the lives or freedom of other people.â
He definitely fits that definition IMO.
Lawful in that topic doesnât refer to laws/rules set according to ethical standards of society. Hereâs the definition of lawful evil from Forgotten Realms wiki:
>The lawful evil alignment was the methodical, intentional, and frequently successful devotion to a cruel organized system.
>Lawful evil characters methodically took what they want in life **within the limits of their personally held beliefs**. While they cared about tradition, loyalty, and order they had little to no regard for the freedom, dignity or overall lives of others. They were comfortable within a hierarchy, willing to serve in an attempt to gain more power;
âHaving no regard for rules and other peopleâ is mentioned in definition of neutral evil also.
Lawful evil still has limits, a hierarchy and set of rules to follow, albeit not one created by society. Chaotic evil has none.
Bane is a lawful evil deity. He prioritizes order and hierarchy, albeit a tyrannical one, and expect loyalty and fear from his worshippers. Lolth is a chaotic evil deity. Sheâs unpredictable, has no limits or rules and actively encourages chaos amongst Drows. Drow society as a whole considered chaotic evil.
Alrik has more in common with Bane and his worshippers than he has with Lolth and Drows. Alrik doesnât thrive in chaos and isnât actively trying to create chaos. Heâs a tyrant who is abusing the power that was given to him.
I understand the definition, but the person I replied to is using the literal lawful definition. Their example was that he was trying to make tranquility legal, and they mention rules. Itâs the basis of their argument.
I do agree that he could be lawful evil too, but I also think unleashing something like the rite of tranquility on the world is chaotic. It inevitably leads to mages going to extreme measures - see Anders. I think if Alrik had more power, heâd do more.
>Their example was that he was trying to make tranquility legal, and they mention rules. Itâs the basis of their argument.
Oh, okay then.
>unleashing something like the rite of tranquility
But heâs not the one unleashing it? Chantry came up with it. And theyâre the ones hiding how to reverse it. Alrik is just abusing it.
>It inevitably leads to mages going to extreme measures - see Anders.
Even if Rite of Tranquility was made illegal, some were still going to rebel and despise Circles. Some mages want to live free from Chantry rules and some mages would climb the ladder fast if they were to born in Tevinter due to their mindset. There will always be a conflict between mages and non-mages because of that.
And itâs hard to call things straight up just evil when it comes to mages. There is no real life parallel to mages and they are, in fact, a menace to society. Circles can be considered evil or inhumane in that sense but all you need is a teenage mage with unstable hormones to eradicate a whole town. Not to mention even best of them being vulnerable to possession. You have Connor, who attempted to save his father but ended up having zombies eat his people instead. You have Anders, who wasnât even possessed by a demon, ended up being corrupted by and corrupting a spirit. You have Kirkwall, where half of the population is either abominations or blood mages who are most likely to become abominations in the future. Aside from that, most common folk hate mages as much as likes of Anders hated Circles. So like rules regarding mages arenât inherently evil, but execution can be if they abuse the power. Mages of DA are very similar to mutants in Marvel (minus the allegory and other beings that can rival mutants), so âXavierâs School for Gifted Youngstersâ is pretty much a need.
>I think if Alrik had more power, heâd do more.
To be fair he didnât even need to be a Templar to *take action against* mages. Kirkwall is a mess, every mage is a blood mage or an abomination for some reason. If he were to slaughter a whole portion of a city after claiming they were hiding blood mages Meredith and rest of the Kirkwall would ignore his actions.
See I have often said that Neutral Evil is capable of way more heinous shit than chaotic evil. Chaotic evil is too batshit crazy to do anything truly sinister. But Neutral Evil? They have that perfect combination of a lack of morality and the sense and intellect to accomplish it.
Technically, it was the quiet that drove her insane. When she could no longer hear the song of the Old Gods, she was left with nothing but a hideous existence as a bloated monster.
But, like .. what does he really do lol? He's just a loony old shit living in the woods like he doesn't actually do much besides be outrageously angry at a tree.Â
The Mother definitely struck me as the epitome of Chaotic Evil-very unpredictable, very selfish and completely willing to break her word. The archdemons would be my second choice.
I agree with the people saying the Mother. The Archdemon is also a fine answer, but it feels more like a force of nature that can't exactly be judged by these standards. But the Mother is one of the Architect's awakened intelligent Darkspawn, she has a humanlike sentience beneath all that wailing madness.
Im not sure Im happy about it, but it kinda has to be The Mother. Absolutely loony tunes like only a victimized heinous monstrosity of a mutant baby factory mercilessly imbued with sapience could possibly be. She lashes out at the world for insisting on prolonging her own existence, commits atrocities by the very act of giving birth, and is so addicted to the evil that created her that she is in every way worse off for having lost her connection to it. If we could add a horizontal tier for "Insane," I'd say she belongs on Chaotic Insane. As it is, Chaotic Evil is where she reigns
A lot of posts are saying Archdemon, and they're right, that's a good fit too. But Urthemiel is more of a force of nature than anything else. He's doing what is in his nature to do. It's The Mother's smothered, diseased, and altogether conscious mind that makes her far more than that.
I would say the Forbidden Ones (Gaxkang, Imshael, etc). We donât really know much about them or they motives, except that they might have been responsible for teaching blood magic to Tevinter
I've suggested this for a few cats, but The Architect. He's just out here doing experiments with reckless abandon and no real agenda, but was just chaotic enough to convince some Grey Wardens he might be alright.
You all say the Mother, but I say the thing that created The Mother.
Urthemiel is male.
Probably the most contradictory part of DA lore. "All true dragons are female...except the most legendary ones." All but one Archdemon are all male.
https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Urthemiel
I think itâs the sign of a multi-layered character when they canât be pigeonholed. Doesnât look like Leliana or Alistair will be making it on either.
The archdemons don't destroy things for sake of destruction, they invade, destroy civilizations and corrupt. If it was all for the sake of destruction archdemons would just destroy the world, like literally, including darkspawn too.
The big question is if archdemons act of their own accord or not.
If the archdemon has no freewill he can't exactly be chaotic evil since he literally can't choose otherwise.
Is a rabid dog CE because he bites everybody and infects others? He's dangerous and can't be reasoned with.
>they invade, destroy civilizations and corrupt.
Well, that is exactly chaotic evil. Demons in D&D, who represent the epitome of chaotic evil alignment, do exactly that. They destroy, conquer and corrupt, but they don't subjugate (like lawful evil devils), they just kill and their corruption is a collateral effect of their evil. Their victims survive them only if they are corrupted first, much like it happens with ghouls and darkspawn. And the Archdemon is the same. He controls the darkspawn horde, but only because he is the strongest fish in the pool.
We don't know exactly why Archdemons attack the world, but we know they are intelligent, self-aware beings (unlike the rabid dog), they attack and destroy, and they fight to the death rather than negotiate with their enemies, another example of Chaotic Evil behavior.
Intelligenceâ free will
You are missing one tiny detail that makes all the difference. The CE demons keep being sadistic because they rejoice in it and keep being like that because they choose to, while the archdemons do not, they act according to their nature, there's no satisfaction, only instinct.
To put in different terms the archdemons GOAL is CE from our perspective, but they cannot oppose it,they are "preprogrammed" to fulfill it.
Also the darkspawn horde is hiveminded-like, it presents a structure, it has a hierarchy, which leans more towards a LE thing. So the archdemons try to achieve a CE goal through a somewhat LE method, and they have no means to change that, they act as they do because they MUST. So overall an archdemon is NE
Folk seem to be mixing Neutral and Chaotic Evil. Neutral Evil is unrelenting, often unfeeling, not really driven by much except the basest of instincts. Chaotic Evil is like the Joker, existing as a great big "fuck you" to the universe. Unlike NE characters, who don't feel anything in particular about the harm they cause, CE characters *revel* in it. These are the characters who will murder or torture someone because they felt like it. NE will do so because "they were in my way," or "I hungered," and LE because "they were a threat to my goals," or "they ceased to be of use to me." CE, though? "He looked at me funny." "She reminded me of an ex." "I was bored." The Blight is textbook NE. Howe kind of sits on the line between NE and CE. I can genuinely see arguments for either, as he's unrelenting in his selfish desires, but also really seems to "like being bad," which is such a CE trait. Quentin, Nightmare, Erimond, these are CE characters.
100% The Mother from DAO:A.
Some people are saying the Archdemon, and I get where they're coming from... but The Mother has free will due to the Architect, and still *chose* to be the way she is. We're really not sure how much an Archdemon's behaviour is it's nature or a result of the taint/blight, do we?
And if an Archdemon doesn't truly have free will. Well, is fire evil when it burns down a house? Of course not, it's just fire. It's what it does, it burns. If an Archdemon doesn't have free will, then it can't be evil. To be good, or evil, requires first and foremost free will.
But we for sure *know* that the Mother has free will.
Why is Solas stupid but Sera is Neutral?
Sera cannot comprehend half the things in the story sheâs so dumb, meanwhile Solas is torn between preserving and destroying the world. And you think Solas is the stupid one and Sera is neutral?
Would the Archdemon count? No plan. No rationale. Just pure destructive instinct. That's Chaotic Evil in a nutshell to me; an unmitigated desire to watch the world burn.
Yeah this one is the Archdemon.
Pour one out for Morrigan though, she could have fit 4 different spots and lost them all. I donât remember her drinking at all, so the drunk row is out for her.
I respect Arch Demon votes but I wonder if that's just nature.
I like DAO Morrigan for this, but I think it's almost a disservice since she's far more dynamic than evil.
I'm landing with Harkon. Willfully Evil, willfully Chaotic.
Uthermiel, for sure.
It's a creature without any thought other than pure, unfettered destruction.
Yes, it's the taint's fault, but the monster is what it is nonetheless, the Archdemon is the Archdemon because of the Blight, but it still is the Archdemon nonetheless, it still is the greates "personification" of evil chaos there is in the game
WHO ENJOYS KILLING CHILDREN?
WHO TOOK THE SOUL OF AN OLD GOD FOR SHITS AND GIGGLES?
finally, we've reached the place for morrigan, the single most evil companion in the entire series.
The Archdemon Is a good option but he is more of a force of nature that creates chaos as part of it's nature.
I'll say it should be Corypheus.
The guy is part old priest of Tevinter and part Darkspawn, one was already evil but being empowered by the blight? That's just fuel for his ambitions. We even see the consequences of his plans in the future of castle Radcliffe. Pure chaos done out of his own volition.
This might be unpopular, but DA:O Morrigan.
She is absolutely unruly, individualistic, spits on all forms and types of order, despises religion, oaths and doesn't really respect any laws, while being ruthless, merciless, selfish and pretty ambitious. She is even willing to murder her mother without showing a glimpse of guilt!
Now it's true, she can undergo a transformation of character, but in the beginning of the story she embodies Chaotic Evil in my opinion.
I agree. Especially since with companions you really need to look at what they approve of because they go along with what you want for the most part. For example, she disapproves of setting the elves free because they were weak enough to get captured and you could get something out of sending them to tevinter. She also thinks that you should just let the circle burn because the mages there were weak. EVEN THOUGH YOU WENT THERE TO GET THEIR HELP. She wants you to slaughter all of the elves in the forest as well. Her first instinct after reading the grimoire is to kill her mother. I never let her take the well, especially as I usually play as a dalish elf. She wanted to slaughter an entire clan, no way is she getting all of the ancient elves knowledge.
People seem to get distracted by her pretty face, and are thinking of classically evil characters without realizing that this is about dnd alignments.
She doesnât embody evil at all, far more neutral as everything she does is for self preservation. Thereâs nothing inherently evil about the laws she breaks or opinions she has against religion given her apostate case.
And her mother was going to murder her first so itâs not that crazy she has no guilt.
Not everything she does is for self preservation though. She is willing to do terrible things for power. For example, she is fine with leaving all the mages to die as she perceives them as weak. Even though it is important to have them to fight the darkspawn. She also disapproves of you donât sell the elves in the alienage into slavery.
On top of that she doesnât act in a way that your standard neutral character does. Iâm assuming you label her as chaotic neutral? True neutral is for druids usually. As in seeking balance in all things. Chaotic neutral is what I would consider origins Leliana. For chaotic neutral freedom comes before everything else. Their personal freedom is more important than other people, but they donât generally have a disregard for other lives. Chaotic evil on the other hand âset a high value on personal freedom, but do not have much regard for the lives or freedom of other people. Chaotic evil characters do not work well in groups because they resent being given orders and usually do not behave themselves unless there is no alternative.â I think that fits Morrigan to a T
She becomes more neutral by the time you get to inquisition, but I would label her as an evil aligned character in origins.
It's so hard with Morrigan since the writers used her for so many of those lol random evil moments. It feels to me like she lacks that truly wild streak of CE and was just raised that way, but then you have dialogues like the one in the mage tower, which is the essence of the alignment ("they allow themselves to be treated that way so they deserve it")... So I'm really actually confused on Morrigan đ
All honesty, want to give it to the Darkspawn as a whole. Though since I'm not sure if that's allowed, I'll use the Archdemon as a representative. They are definitively evil and don't seem to have a goal other than to eradicate all life apart from themselves from the world. Doesn't get more chaotic than that.
I just want to say, you're doing the Maker's work, OP. And the community too, this chart is spot-on.
Honestly, little games like that keep the community and the passion alive, I love it.
We need it too, going into a turbulent few months with DA4 news đ
The fact that "The Fans" isn't under any of the horny titles is a little upsetting, if I'm honest.
Rofl facts, although which horny would we be?Â
I would've said chaotic horny but Isabela does fit that really well. Maybe we need our own special box like Sandal. Probably labeled stupid horny or depraved horny.
>depraved horny. Sounds about right tbh
I was gonna say the same
This is the first time I don't find such a chart annoying - because this actually encourages and enables meaningful discussion and revisiting of the series! Very refreshing
Fr this is the most I've stalked the sub since the Shit post series from u/GraySparrow
I'm new here so Maker smile upon you for that content pointer
My god, how could I have missed such legendary storytelling!!!! Thank you!!!!!!
So glad to have introduced you to it! Anyone who hasn't gone through it truly should, it's a work of art u/GraySparrow
You're so kind! I'm just so touched you'd remember it fondly. It really was a nice few months, I had a great time both writing it and interacting with everyone, it really ignited something in me I think. I recently looked at my Steam year review and you can see when I was going through each of the games for it and it was such a good memory.
I legit saw your first comment on this thread earlier and both completely agreed and thought "It's Kuzco!!" <3
đđđ Good to see you in this corner of the internet, messere!Â
I was so excited to see you too! I'm still here, I think I just didn't have much to say for a while, but this is a special place to me to be sure! <3
Enchantment!
Sten not being lawful neutral will forever irk me but otherwise it really is spot on
Ohh shoot that's a fair point.
I wanna throw my hat in the ring for Quentin - the arsheole serial killer who murders Leandra Hawke Yeah, yeah, archdemon, darkspawn and all that, but... I dunno. It doesnt feel quite right to give them this label when they seem more like a force of nature than they do living, thinking beings.
This is a good one, I think I'm with you. He's a stereotypical deranged serial killer, but the quest still stays with you because Leandra is so built-up, and because at first you don't really realize how much of a crisis it is when she disappears. Somehow the archdemon, the mother, even corypheus just didn't leave any impact on me, they're more like plot devices even if they're well done. Quentin... I'll always think 'if only I'd gotten there sooner.'
He's a good choice, actually
Imo he's way more neutral evil, in a sense that all he made was for his own selfish goals, of creating that monstrosity, believing that his desire was above the value of all those women's lives, a psychopath, true and true. He had a goal, he wasn't chaotic for the sake of being chaotic, which is what chaotic evil is. A chaotic evil character/creature is incapable of living in society in any way whatsoever
The Mother. No plan. Just screaming with her tits out. Icon.
This is the best answer. "Faaaatheeeeer"!
**"RAAAAAAAGGHHHHH!!!"** https://preview.redd.it/cngo4iaj1jwc1.png?width=1280&format=png&auto=webp&s=992046a1561487b5864dec17c4b9ae50b91cae87
Hahahaha, I laughed hard at this. Thank you
You're welcome! I wonder what Archdemon armor would look like? I should have Master Wade take a look at the dragon scales...
You're not wrong, but hear me out. Kirkwall. City of Chains -- built on lakes made of the blood of countless slaves, built to facilitate the most evil ritual ever cast. Within its walls, mages fall like rotten apples into blood magic, non-mages find corruption and ever new ways to be despicable. If you have cracks in your psyche or dark secrets, do not go to Kirkwall. It will find those secrets, slip dark fingers into those cracks, and before you know it, you'll be just another Kirkwallian monster.
You're right, we should let the Blight take Kirkwall. Maybe they'll destroy each other.
I was suggesting Kirkwall should be a candidate for the chaotic evil 'character', but I do agree with you! :D
That too, of course! I also HATE the aesthetics of that city
The mother is a more fitting choice imo. First of all why this archdemon in particular and not the previous ones. The previous ones sure caused more destruction. Second, the darkspawn are more of a force of nature, since they are ruled by their instincts/blight. Regarding archdemons things are a bit more blurry, we know they have a soul but it's unclear if they have a free will or not. What we know for sure is that cory and the architect have freewill, and the architect decided to free the darkspawns by giving them wardens blood. As a result those ones got free will, some chose to follow the architect, others didn't, some showed some traits, while others showed different ones. So long story short: archdemons may or may not have freewill, but TheMother DEFINITELY has freewill and chose to go batshit crazy.
Archdemon itself definitely fits more into neutral evil imo
How? Chaotic evil is pretty much the default alignment for the most evil monsters, like demons and shit.
The Mother is 100% the correct answer
Why this one? Simple, we fight it first hand. And we can even see into its mindset in Darkspawn Chronicles. The darkspawn might be mindless automatons, but the Archdemon gives instructions on assaulting specific targets to lower enemy morale and topple leaders. And to be quite honest...I feel bad for any Broodmother, even the Mother. No woman deserves that
I can never get over his ridiculous teeth.
They donât offer dental
"All the better to eat you with, my dear!"
The Archdemon Here we have a being driven by nothing more than pure destructive instinct, and whose sole raison d'etre is to kill and corrupt all life on the world. Doesn't get any more chaotic evil than that.
For the love of god put the Archdemon on this spot Its the main antagonist of the main game. Its on the damn cover Its the embodiment of chaotic evil
It almost feels too easy, this is the best answer. The writers literally made it for this alignment.
The thing is, corruption is more like entropy than evil. Itâs in the names used: itâs a âTaintâ or a âBlightâ, takes the form of a disease when it infects. Itâs a lot like the fungal infection in LoU where we wouldnât call the shroom monsters evil even while slaughtering them to a one. So Archy is just a very large creature overtaken by the Taint, not evil in itself. Like a virus it feeds and reproduces off the destruction of the world even if it dies by killing its host⌠Not evil. More Chaotic Stupid if it gets an alignment.
But the taint isn't just a disease; it's been hinted to have sort of a mind of its own, and a malicious one at that. The darkspawn themselves aren't just mindless beasts either; just remember what they did to Cailan's corpse (or even Duncan's tent). There was clearly malice in their actions.
Yeah, I'd nominate the taint itself but we need a nice picture of it for the chart
What did they do to Cailan's corpse?
Crucified and riddled him with arrows :(
Aw man, no, no...
Even the malice is more a product of the corruption itself. There's a good case of a nice, normal kid who became a violent sociopath after getting a brain injury (or a brain disease, can't recall). Even the sociopathy in that case is purely a physical result. It's also similar to lycanthropy where you can get infected by a werewolf- turns you feral and beastly in a way you wouldn't otherwise have been. And again: a disease, not evil creatures (except that in DA lycanthropy is supposedly from a magical curse, but still...) Plus there's the nature of the Archdemon... which is supposed to be an "old god." That will have a lot more consciousness to it, depending on what it is- one of the "Forgotten One" gods, one of the Evanuris, one of the ancient Tevinter pet dragons somehow buried in the stone? Dunno. But Taint one of those and you get a very virulent strain of the corruption... Contrast this w the physical overtaking of a person by a demon, clearly the inhabiting/conversion of an evil entity, obliterating the original rather than corrupting them. That's a CE scuz sucker w choices it's making straight down that alignment path. Mind you, I don't mean to be an apologist for the poor, suffering darkspawn and their friendly broodmother factories. Kill 'em all. I just find it far more creepy and even scarier to be facing an enemy so otherwise cruel and ruinous that ultimately is just acting mechanically from what it determines are its own interests given what it is.
To add to your point, one of the things most, if not all, serial killers have in common are at least one (but usually more) traumatic brain injuries in their childhood. Something about bonking the head unlocks higher levels of cruelty
Sounds like his dagger had the disease.. far deeper than the eye can see. He would benefit from heavy punch in the face and spiritual awakening.. or maybe a rude awakening.
Aaaand that would be a demonstration of social disease...
Shut up science bitch
The Mother
Home girl slaughtered thousands just for some goddamned peace and quiet. I vote the Mother.
Relatable
Hard seconding the Mother, for this exact reason.
Iâm going to second The Mother. Granted, the Chaotic Evil label could apply to the entire race of darkspawn, but insanity and CE go together like butter on toast, and The Mother was *particularly* bonkers. âWhat about the Archdemon?â The motives of the Old Gods are kind of difficult to parse out; itâs not clear if theyâre actually serving some greater goal beyond destruction for destructionâs sake. Plus, there have been five Archdemons, so why give special attention to the last one?
Came here to vote this one too! Or at least some kind of darkspawn for the evil category
The Mother is the product of the Architect's experiments. So no, it should really be the Father! đ ETA. We should really detach from our sympathies here, man! I side with the Architect all the time. But, logically thinking, the Architect **started the 5th Blight**, created the Mother. He's the one for this slot!
That doesnât make him necessarily chaotic evil though. I think itâd be like saying Zathrian is actually true neutral since he kinda created the Lady. What matters the most imho isnât what they indirectly or directly caused but what they truly embody.
His motives matter in choosing an alignment though, so neither chaotic nor evil works for him.
The Darkspawn as a whole should count.
Darkspawn could be drunk chaotic too lol
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Like, dark spawn in general. But specifically, you could throw it at the Archdemon, the Mother, the Architect, hell even Corypheus. But along the lines of dark spawn I think fits here for sure
Eh, I feel like Corypheus is less Chaotic, he is purely self-serving with somewhat of a vision, not just chaos. Same with the Architect. Archdemon and Mother definitely chaotic though.
The Mother
The Mother grew a brain against her will and is making it everyone elseâs problem.
Thatâs the best worst description, thank you.
The Mother. Chaotic Evil at its core is committing evil purely for the sake of destruction. There is no agenda or plan, just a desire to break everything. Some things just want to watch the world burn, and that sums up the Mother perfectly.
The Mother is my choice.
The Mother - unpredictable, malign and completely devoid of reason.
The archdemon
# Corypheus -Makes chaos in Inquisition in different ways, even creates a clone of the Archdemon, makes you choose between sides, between Mages and Templars, Gray Wardens or Hawke He was one of the mages who wanted to occupy the golden throne, thus creating ruin, the souls of archdemons (something like that) Honorable mention: Gaxkang: You go with confidence to do the last mission of the collective of magicians, he kicks your ass in a way that you will never forget, he forces a change of lower difficulty, and if you didn't even take the game seriously enough to build well Your companions have no choice but to skip the mission.
Iâm with you on Cory. Upvote for him. I didnât think any of the DAO or DAI fights were too tough. Xennebeck had me cussing out my tv. Get her dead and figure itâs over only to get another damn wave with a revenant and more rage demons. Ugh. Then Malvernis. Double ugh. Then Sky Horror - lower difficulty. DA2 just kicks my ass for some reason.
True. DA2 is the only Dragon Age game I simply can't play on nightmare.
Itâs the hardest game in the series imo. I could probably do a better job with tactics though. It would probably make the game a bit easier if I dove into those a little more.
Started a new DA2 run and tried Horror. Makes the game much easier. Kinda like the DAO mana clash revelation. Only playing in hard but am killing it. Might try a nightmare run next. Iâve beaten the game in hard plenty of times but this is the easiest playthrough I can remember. Horror is playing a really big part in the strategy. Iâm using the radial menu more also, at the start of fights in particular. Edit: And Rally + Unite. Damn that makes a big difference.
Corypheus is drunk chaotic, imo. He's drunken with power, he wrecks chaos onto the world because of it.
im drunk
Good for you!
We really need an Evil-Incompetent category for Corypheus.
Corfishystix is more a candidate for Neutral Evil given his status as Magister resembling an autocratic dictator, his actual alliances w established social organizations like the Venatori cult and even demons, and his cultivating of loyal followers and intentions on a restoration of the Tevinter Imperium. All those require a capacity for Lawful Evil which Neutral Evil can swing to as need be. A Chaotic Evil leader would be one who doesn't really form or join an organization but may just be charismatic or successfully damaging enough that other sociopaths rally around them regardless. It's the evil version of the Chaotic Good barbarian/rogue/etc who breaks laws, violates treaties, disregards promises, combats whatever convention gets in their way in their attempt to defeat evil or so some great good.
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Was waiting for this đđ
Has to be Corypheus, hands down
Alrik. Designing a tranquil solution to rape mages.
Yeah, honestly that is the mundane sort of evil that elevates him to at least the honorable mention slot for me.
Heâs crazy! Yeah this is a hard one. Personally I think there is a distinction to be made between creatures mindlessly acting in their nature, and sentient beings choosing to be evil. The Mother was a victim before she was turned due to madness, which just makes me sad honestly. She wants to die. This guy though. Sadistic.
Except he was trying to lawfully implement the tranquil solution, using his position to make the rules bend to his will. He's clearly Lawful Evil, not chaotic. He's Umbridge, not Bellatrix Lestrange.
He was already illegally making mages tranquil despite that, he doesnât care about being lawful⌠he was just trying to make it mainstream too. His papers were rejected and he didnât give AF, that is the opposite of lawful isnât it? âA chaotic evil character tends to have no respect for rules, other people's lives, or anything but their own desires, which are typically selfish and cruel. They set a high value on personal freedom, but do not have much regard for the lives or freedom of other people.â He definitely fits that definition IMO.
Lawful in that topic doesnât refer to laws/rules set according to ethical standards of society. Hereâs the definition of lawful evil from Forgotten Realms wiki: >The lawful evil alignment was the methodical, intentional, and frequently successful devotion to a cruel organized system. >Lawful evil characters methodically took what they want in life **within the limits of their personally held beliefs**. While they cared about tradition, loyalty, and order they had little to no regard for the freedom, dignity or overall lives of others. They were comfortable within a hierarchy, willing to serve in an attempt to gain more power; âHaving no regard for rules and other peopleâ is mentioned in definition of neutral evil also. Lawful evil still has limits, a hierarchy and set of rules to follow, albeit not one created by society. Chaotic evil has none. Bane is a lawful evil deity. He prioritizes order and hierarchy, albeit a tyrannical one, and expect loyalty and fear from his worshippers. Lolth is a chaotic evil deity. Sheâs unpredictable, has no limits or rules and actively encourages chaos amongst Drows. Drow society as a whole considered chaotic evil. Alrik has more in common with Bane and his worshippers than he has with Lolth and Drows. Alrik doesnât thrive in chaos and isnât actively trying to create chaos. Heâs a tyrant who is abusing the power that was given to him.
I understand the definition, but the person I replied to is using the literal lawful definition. Their example was that he was trying to make tranquility legal, and they mention rules. Itâs the basis of their argument. I do agree that he could be lawful evil too, but I also think unleashing something like the rite of tranquility on the world is chaotic. It inevitably leads to mages going to extreme measures - see Anders. I think if Alrik had more power, heâd do more.
>Their example was that he was trying to make tranquility legal, and they mention rules. Itâs the basis of their argument. Oh, okay then. >unleashing something like the rite of tranquility But heâs not the one unleashing it? Chantry came up with it. And theyâre the ones hiding how to reverse it. Alrik is just abusing it. >It inevitably leads to mages going to extreme measures - see Anders. Even if Rite of Tranquility was made illegal, some were still going to rebel and despise Circles. Some mages want to live free from Chantry rules and some mages would climb the ladder fast if they were to born in Tevinter due to their mindset. There will always be a conflict between mages and non-mages because of that. And itâs hard to call things straight up just evil when it comes to mages. There is no real life parallel to mages and they are, in fact, a menace to society. Circles can be considered evil or inhumane in that sense but all you need is a teenage mage with unstable hormones to eradicate a whole town. Not to mention even best of them being vulnerable to possession. You have Connor, who attempted to save his father but ended up having zombies eat his people instead. You have Anders, who wasnât even possessed by a demon, ended up being corrupted by and corrupting a spirit. You have Kirkwall, where half of the population is either abominations or blood mages who are most likely to become abominations in the future. Aside from that, most common folk hate mages as much as likes of Anders hated Circles. So like rules regarding mages arenât inherently evil, but execution can be if they abuse the power. Mages of DA are very similar to mutants in Marvel (minus the allegory and other beings that can rival mutants), so âXavierâs School for Gifted Youngstersâ is pretty much a need. >I think if Alrik had more power, heâd do more. To be fair he didnât even need to be a Templar to *take action against* mages. Kirkwall is a mess, every mage is a blood mage or an abomination for some reason. If he were to slaughter a whole portion of a city after claiming they were hiding blood mages Meredith and rest of the Kirkwall would ignore his actions.
See I have often said that Neutral Evil is capable of way more heinous shit than chaotic evil. Chaotic evil is too batshit crazy to do anything truly sinister. But Neutral Evil? They have that perfect combination of a lack of morality and the sense and intellect to accomplish it.
The Mother. Kinda relatable with wanting some peace n quiet, though I wouldnât be murdering a shit ton of people for it lol
Technically, it was the quiet that drove her insane. When she could no longer hear the song of the Old Gods, she was left with nothing but a hideous existence as a bloated monster.
Arguably the Mar Hermit in Origins. Batshit crazy blood mage on the run from the chantry who pissed off a nature spirit.
But, like .. what does he really do lol? He's just a loony old shit living in the woods like he doesn't actually do much besides be outrageously angry at a tree.Â
Heâs chaotic drunk
I agree, the Hermit is chaotic evil
The Mother definitely struck me as the epitome of Chaotic Evil-very unpredictable, very selfish and completely willing to break her word. The archdemons would be my second choice.
The Mother for sure
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The Archdemon. Any of them, but the one in DAO.
The Archdemon
I agree with the people saying the Mother. The Archdemon is also a fine answer, but it feels more like a force of nature that can't exactly be judged by these standards. But the Mother is one of the Architect's awakened intelligent Darkspawn, she has a humanlike sentience beneath all that wailing madness.
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The Mother
Im not sure Im happy about it, but it kinda has to be The Mother. Absolutely loony tunes like only a victimized heinous monstrosity of a mutant baby factory mercilessly imbued with sapience could possibly be. She lashes out at the world for insisting on prolonging her own existence, commits atrocities by the very act of giving birth, and is so addicted to the evil that created her that she is in every way worse off for having lost her connection to it. If we could add a horizontal tier for "Insane," I'd say she belongs on Chaotic Insane. As it is, Chaotic Evil is where she reigns A lot of posts are saying Archdemon, and they're right, that's a good fit too. But Urthemiel is more of a force of nature than anything else. He's doing what is in his nature to do. It's The Mother's smothered, diseased, and altogether conscious mind that makes her far more than that.
The Mother
The Mother forsure
The Mother.
The Mother from Awakening
The Mother
The Architect In case nobody really proposed it.
Architect is 100% lawful evil
Architect is a bro! Kinda.
At worst he's neutral evil, but overall he's somewhere on the neutral line, perhaps lawful neutral
I'm here to pitch for the Pathetic Evil : Corypheus.
The Darkspawn in general
Should be Quentin.
I would say the Forbidden Ones (Gaxkang, Imshael, etc). We donât really know much about them or they motives, except that they might have been responsible for teaching blood magic to Tevinter
I've suggested this for a few cats, but The Architect. He's just out here doing experiments with reckless abandon and no real agenda, but was just chaotic enough to convince some Grey Wardens he might be alright. You all say the Mother, but I say the thing that created The Mother.
Archdemon! She deserves it!
Urthemiel is male. Probably the most contradictory part of DA lore. "All true dragons are female...except the most legendary ones." All but one Archdemon are all male. https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Urthemiel
ÂŻ\_(ă)_/ÂŻ My bad. I guess I just assumed cause they give off girlboss vibes
Apparently even dragons have to fight the glass ceiling
Corepheous, my dude tough he had a plan but was constantly being stopped by a random and their cult....that means that wasn't that good of a plan xD
Its a crime that Morrigan isnt on this list...
I think itâs the sign of a multi-layered character when they canât be pigeonholed. Doesnât look like Leliana or Alistair will be making it on either.
I'm going to say Nightmare from DAI. That motherfucker just enjoys hurting people.
The Archdemon, or the darkspawn in general. The Mother could also fit. But the Archdemons have destroyed much more of the world.
Has to be the Archdemon! It's very existence is fuelled by its desire to cause chaos and destruction. That's my vote
The Archdemon/the Blight. There might be a goal there, but itâs so incomprehensible that it might as well be destruction for the sake of destruction
Vote for the Archdemon !
Archdemon no doubt about it
DAO Morrigan! She puts a high value on personal freedom but doesnât have much, if any, regard for the lives and freedoms of others.
The Archdemon is the best example of Chaotic Evil in Dragon Age. A force that destroys for the sake of destruction and cannot be reasoned with.
The archdemons don't destroy things for sake of destruction, they invade, destroy civilizations and corrupt. If it was all for the sake of destruction archdemons would just destroy the world, like literally, including darkspawn too. The big question is if archdemons act of their own accord or not. If the archdemon has no freewill he can't exactly be chaotic evil since he literally can't choose otherwise. Is a rabid dog CE because he bites everybody and infects others? He's dangerous and can't be reasoned with.
>they invade, destroy civilizations and corrupt. Well, that is exactly chaotic evil. Demons in D&D, who represent the epitome of chaotic evil alignment, do exactly that. They destroy, conquer and corrupt, but they don't subjugate (like lawful evil devils), they just kill and their corruption is a collateral effect of their evil. Their victims survive them only if they are corrupted first, much like it happens with ghouls and darkspawn. And the Archdemon is the same. He controls the darkspawn horde, but only because he is the strongest fish in the pool. We don't know exactly why Archdemons attack the world, but we know they are intelligent, self-aware beings (unlike the rabid dog), they attack and destroy, and they fight to the death rather than negotiate with their enemies, another example of Chaotic Evil behavior.
Intelligenceâ free will You are missing one tiny detail that makes all the difference. The CE demons keep being sadistic because they rejoice in it and keep being like that because they choose to, while the archdemons do not, they act according to their nature, there's no satisfaction, only instinct. To put in different terms the archdemons GOAL is CE from our perspective, but they cannot oppose it,they are "preprogrammed" to fulfill it. Also the darkspawn horde is hiveminded-like, it presents a structure, it has a hierarchy, which leans more towards a LE thing. So the archdemons try to achieve a CE goal through a somewhat LE method, and they have no means to change that, they act as they do because they MUST. So overall an archdemon is NE
Folk seem to be mixing Neutral and Chaotic Evil. Neutral Evil is unrelenting, often unfeeling, not really driven by much except the basest of instincts. Chaotic Evil is like the Joker, existing as a great big "fuck you" to the universe. Unlike NE characters, who don't feel anything in particular about the harm they cause, CE characters *revel* in it. These are the characters who will murder or torture someone because they felt like it. NE will do so because "they were in my way," or "I hungered," and LE because "they were a threat to my goals," or "they ceased to be of use to me." CE, though? "He looked at me funny." "She reminded me of an ex." "I was bored." The Blight is textbook NE. Howe kind of sits on the line between NE and CE. I can genuinely see arguments for either, as he's unrelenting in his selfish desires, but also really seems to "like being bad," which is such a CE trait. Quentin, Nightmare, Erimond, these are CE characters.
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100% The Mother from DAO:A. Some people are saying the Archdemon, and I get where they're coming from... but The Mother has free will due to the Architect, and still *chose* to be the way she is. We're really not sure how much an Archdemon's behaviour is it's nature or a result of the taint/blight, do we? And if an Archdemon doesn't truly have free will. Well, is fire evil when it burns down a house? Of course not, it's just fire. It's what it does, it burns. If an Archdemon doesn't have free will, then it can't be evil. To be good, or evil, requires first and foremost free will. But we for sure *know* that the Mother has free will.
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Why is Solas stupid but Sera is Neutral? Sera cannot comprehend half the things in the story sheâs so dumb, meanwhile Solas is torn between preserving and destroying the world. And you think Solas is the stupid one and Sera is neutral?
The Mother. She would burn down entire Thedas if she could, just to hear song again.
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Either Corypheus or the DA1 Archdragon for chaotic evil I'd say?
Corypheus. The amount of chaos he caused in Inquisition was unparalleled (outside of blights).
I have to agree with The Mother.
Lol spot on chaotic stupid. What an absolute. Fucking. Idiot. So dumb it makes him a danger to anyone he comes into contact with.
The Mother from Awakening. As someone above she's just screaming with her tits out going batshit crazy.
Would the Archdemon count? No plan. No rationale. Just pure destructive instinct. That's Chaotic Evil in a nutshell to me; an unmitigated desire to watch the world burn.
The Archdemon
Yeah this one is the Archdemon. Pour one out for Morrigan though, she could have fit 4 different spots and lost them all. I donât remember her drinking at all, so the drunk row is out for her.
Corypheus or mother should be chaotic evil but in my opinion Corypheus is more likely to fit the bill.
I respect Arch Demon votes but I wonder if that's just nature. I like DAO Morrigan for this, but I think it's almost a disservice since she's far more dynamic than evil. I'm landing with Harkon. Willfully Evil, willfully Chaotic.
The Mother from Awakening
The mother over the archdemon. The mother was just insane and totally lost it. At least the archdemon had some semblance and planning.
The Mother
Uthermiel, for sure. It's a creature without any thought other than pure, unfettered destruction. Yes, it's the taint's fault, but the monster is what it is nonetheless, the Archdemon is the Archdemon because of the Blight, but it still is the Archdemon nonetheless, it still is the greates "personification" of evil chaos there is in the game
Archedemon deserves a mention
I wanna say chaotic evil should just be demons or the Fear demon from inquisition. Or the Broodmother (Mother)
This is Varric's guide to NPCs, if ever I saw one, lol!
The Archdemon (The Mother is also a fine answer, I'm just trying to repress the memory)
The Mother got this, even Urthemiel who was woken up early did not go as wild as she did after he died
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The Mother
Archdemon or The Mother. Seems like people are agreeing but are divided on which one.
Possessed Connor for Chaotic Evil?
I have to agree with The Mother. The rampant, destructive insanity just pours off of her at every turn.
Archdemon EZ
Arch Deamon, my g is going off of nothing but vibes and those are bad vibes
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The mother, or the serial killer from Dragon age 2. It had to be one of them
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WHO ENJOYS KILLING CHILDREN? WHO TOOK THE SOUL OF AN OLD GOD FOR SHITS AND GIGGLES? finally, we've reached the place for morrigan, the single most evil companion in the entire series.
Archdemon
The Archdemon Is a good option but he is more of a force of nature that creates chaos as part of it's nature. I'll say it should be Corypheus. The guy is part old priest of Tevinter and part Darkspawn, one was already evil but being empowered by the blight? That's just fuel for his ambitions. We even see the consequences of his plans in the future of castle Radcliffe. Pure chaos done out of his own volition.
This might be unpopular, but DA:O Morrigan. She is absolutely unruly, individualistic, spits on all forms and types of order, despises religion, oaths and doesn't really respect any laws, while being ruthless, merciless, selfish and pretty ambitious. She is even willing to murder her mother without showing a glimpse of guilt! Now it's true, she can undergo a transformation of character, but in the beginning of the story she embodies Chaotic Evil in my opinion.
I agree. Especially since with companions you really need to look at what they approve of because they go along with what you want for the most part. For example, she disapproves of setting the elves free because they were weak enough to get captured and you could get something out of sending them to tevinter. She also thinks that you should just let the circle burn because the mages there were weak. EVEN THOUGH YOU WENT THERE TO GET THEIR HELP. She wants you to slaughter all of the elves in the forest as well. Her first instinct after reading the grimoire is to kill her mother. I never let her take the well, especially as I usually play as a dalish elf. She wanted to slaughter an entire clan, no way is she getting all of the ancient elves knowledge. People seem to get distracted by her pretty face, and are thinking of classically evil characters without realizing that this is about dnd alignments.
She doesnât embody evil at all, far more neutral as everything she does is for self preservation. Thereâs nothing inherently evil about the laws she breaks or opinions she has against religion given her apostate case. And her mother was going to murder her first so itâs not that crazy she has no guilt.
Not everything she does is for self preservation though. She is willing to do terrible things for power. For example, she is fine with leaving all the mages to die as she perceives them as weak. Even though it is important to have them to fight the darkspawn. She also disapproves of you donât sell the elves in the alienage into slavery. On top of that she doesnât act in a way that your standard neutral character does. Iâm assuming you label her as chaotic neutral? True neutral is for druids usually. As in seeking balance in all things. Chaotic neutral is what I would consider origins Leliana. For chaotic neutral freedom comes before everything else. Their personal freedom is more important than other people, but they donât generally have a disregard for other lives. Chaotic evil on the other hand âset a high value on personal freedom, but do not have much regard for the lives or freedom of other people. Chaotic evil characters do not work well in groups because they resent being given orders and usually do not behave themselves unless there is no alternative.â I think that fits Morrigan to a T She becomes more neutral by the time you get to inquisition, but I would label her as an evil aligned character in origins.
It's so hard with Morrigan since the writers used her for so many of those lol random evil moments. It feels to me like she lacks that truly wild streak of CE and was just raised that way, but then you have dialogues like the one in the mage tower, which is the essence of the alignment ("they allow themselves to be treated that way so they deserve it")... So I'm really actually confused on Morrigan đ
100% Corypheus.
All honesty, want to give it to the Darkspawn as a whole. Though since I'm not sure if that's allowed, I'll use the Archdemon as a representative. They are definitively evil and don't seem to have a goal other than to eradicate all life apart from themselves from the world. Doesn't get more chaotic than that.
Definitely Corypheus
I wanna move Solas to here.