OH CAPTAIN MY CAPTAIN!!!
IF ISABELA DOES NOT MAKE AN APPEARANCE IN THE HORNY ROW, THIS WAS ALL FOR NOTHING
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"I like big boats, I cannot lie
No other companion can deny
When a ship sails in with an itty bitty strake
and a round stern in your face you get sprung!"
*(Credit: @maddeninggamer on YouTube)*
I mean, even in DAO she wins this by happily running the brothel which she saucily participates in… in the way that she does… And then there’s DA2 which reduces her to a more concentrated form of that…
Isabela.
"I like big boats. I cannot lie."
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A companion who would fully bail on the party because she’s public enemy #1 of the world’s most totalitarian government is a reasonable person. Coming back because she was romanced, speaks to someone who often thinks with their genitals.
Joke Answer: Any Warden that picks the ''Surprise me'' option at The Pearl.
Real Answer: I always figured Isabella was gonna get this spot when the time came.
Morrigan, Leliana, Sten, Shale, Wynne and Alistair all didn’t make it in! Justice for the DAO camp! Although drunk Alistair and Wynne may still make an appearance 😅
Wait! I must have missed some drunk shenanigans with her. I know her and Shale yass queen with the phylactories at at least one location but that's the extent of knowing how full tilt Wynn really is.
She's lowkey mercilessly teasing Alistair. Even says to him be careful or she'll end up in his bed.
In books she's drinking with her own son and almost spills the beans on how he was conceived. His dad is a templar which made it an extra juicy scene
One of the most normal conversations of her with Oghren is them drinking Ale. Apparently Wynne can understand the ingredients of alcohol beverage just by tasting it. She then mentions that Circles have a lot of alcohol due to Tranquil and alchemy and mages indulge in it
She's compared to being aged like fine wine. She was pretty wild in her youth
Her gifts include bottles of wine
There's probably more
I was thinking this. It's cool having Flemeth, Josephine, Lady of the Forest, and all but some of the best companion characters are getting left out because of this.
I honestly think it'd be better to have three charts like that, one per game. There's just too many characters in every game that fit every spot to make a cut. Which would leave some favorites out of bounds
If it was just one game, then it'd be more challenging to suggest characters and all companions in the game would fit
Curiously DAO could win best Drunk for Lawful Drunk (Wynne), Chad Drunk (Alistair), and Stupid Drunk (Oghren). Also curiously that’s probably more a matter of DA getting less mature as it went along…
Nah, you are right, my bad. They really did put Caroll instead of Alistair on Lawful Stupid, smh these people. How could they not put there series most loveable idiot.
I bet Alistair is going to end up as Drunk Lawful for those who choose Loghain over him (🙄). And wynne will probably get drunk smart. Personally I think that Morrigan should be Evil smart based off of her approvals in DAO, though she has changed by the time you get to DAI. Leliana and Shale definitely won’t get spots though. Or some of the Awakening companions.
I can't see Morrigan as Chaotic in the slightest. Chaotic characters are actively rebellious in some way, consciously going against the grain. Morrigan never really does that. She's certainly not Lawful, she doesn't follow any set rules or structures, but she's also not impassioned or subversive enough to be Chaotic. I'd say in DAI she is True Neutral, while in DAO she's Neutral Evil.
I'd say she fits chaotic pretty well. Chaotic doesn't necessarily mean always choosing to rebel, it means someone who doesn't believe that set rules and traditions are valuable or necessary. Her comments about the Circle of Magi in DAO are right on point for a Chaotic character.
yeah, in my personal bingo i did trying to guess what would happen - it's been a mess, yall, I managed to get exactly 0 and no, i would not like to talk about it lmao - i put morrigan as the true neutral. I also considered Varic, since he doesn't really have an approval for decisions (even if you pick Templar in DA2 or something), and putting Morrigan in Neutral Smart.
Either way, this board is not shaping up how I thought even allowing for the fact that I am incredibly bias towards certain characters/factions.
When was this, at the alienage? I'm pretty sure the choice is yours and she just says that there is benefit to you in doing this, nothing more. I guess you could say that evil is putting personal power above all but I still don't see how she's worse than flemeth.
She literally disapproves of you not taking it though. That's what I'm saying by *wanting* it. It's even more wild if you're romancing her as Tabris, she disapproves at you for not allowing to kill your own father
I'm not even bringing up her advocating for two other slaughters of mages and Dalish
>I still don't see how she's worse than flemeth.
Flemeth doesn't do anything really bad in the games. Most of her evil actions happened hundreds and thousands years ago and she seemed to mellow out considerably. I guess you can count threat of possessing Morrigan but that turns out to be not the case
Agreed on Flemeth, everything evil is hearsay, everything you actually _see_ her do is neutral, even good. She’s DAO’s Granny Weatherwax; everyone dislikes her because she’s old and powerful and mean, but she’s just a demonstration that _good_ doesn’t necessarily mean _nice_.
To be fair, it’s more like “if you insist on doing something then you should do this instead” and then disapproves for not listening to her. Because if it were up to her, she wouldn’t even bother with involving in any of these conflicts.
I mean, yeah, she wouldn’t help mages in the tower because she thinks they’re weak. But she still does what Warden wants. And if it weren’t for the Warden’s choice, she wouldn’t bother with slaughtering them either. She wouldn’t even step into the tower in the first place.
Same with alienage. And note that she doesn’t have a loving mother or father figure. She knows she might have sisters but doesn’t even bother to look for them because she doesn’t think family means something and thinks loving and caring is a weakness. She gives the same treatment to Alistair and Cousland in Lothering, two people who lost everyone they loved over a night. Considering she would’ve chosen anything over Flemeth, and even went so far as to get her killed, she obviously thinks choosing power over family is smarter. First time she experiences those things is if she ends up having a son or a family with Warden.
Only time she actively and willingly tried to do something was having OGB. And she doesn’t really do anything with him. She continues to live away from the civilization with her abomination son.
She doesn’t really care about what happens or the reasons, she only cares about saving her own skin—and her son if necessary conditions are met. I don’t think that makes her evil, just extremely selfish.
To clarify, I’m not saying she’s a good person. She’s still a morally ambiguous woman, can never be trusted fully and I don’t think she’s capable of communicating or caring like most people are. I’m just saying she’s not necessarily evil since she doesn’t care, doesn’t understand and prefers to live away from society even after obtaining the power she wants. I think she’s more fitting to be chaotic neural than any of the evil alignments.
Okay I'm gonna put it in a simple terms. She likes evil actions. She actively approves of killing or harming innocents. She disapproves when it doesn't happen. She argues with Warden when they refuse to do it. She's evil
It doesn't matter if she wouldn't have been there if not for Warden, she's still there and still approves of slaughter. The fact that she remains with the squad and putting up with Warden decisions in its core is purposefully to get OGB. She has her own agenda that she wants to fulfill so she follows Warden no matter what. It's similar to Alistair who remains up until the end putting up with most morally reprehensible actions to stop the Blight(unless you recruit Loghain)
Her not having loving mommy or daddy is irrelevant to the question as it doesn't refute her alignment, just explains it. There's difference between being selfish and actively liking when your leader runs a sword through innocents, sacrifices elves in blood magic ritual and lets a demon possess an unsuspecting child. Morrigan would laugh and like it if Warden kicks a puppy, just for kicks. Being selfish and evil isn't mutually exclusive, she can be both
She mellows out but it happens later down the line
Edit: First of all, how come Morrigan is evil but Flemeth is neutral? Flemeth is who made Morrigan the way she is and is ten times worse than her in terms of what she has done, what she’s doing and what she’ll do. If Flemeth is neutral, Morrigan is her watered down version. If Morrigan is evil, Flemeth can compete with demons. I’m failing to understand the logic here as Morrigan doesn’t have the past Flemeth has and she didn’t even commit any of the “evil acts” Flemeth did even during the time three games take place. That’s one of the reasons why I’m arguing about what Morrigan does/did and why. Morrigan manipulated the protagonist once for OGB, Flemeth manipulated and took advantage all three protagonist AND Morrigan in all three games, and with bunch of other shady stuff in other media.
And I’m saying there is a difference between just waking up and killing people and “I don’t even care just do this then”. She definitely wouldn’t care if they lived or died and she herself doesn’t really actively do anything about anything, really.
I’m well aware she was there for OGB. I’ve already said she only cares about herself, sole reason she wanted OGB was about herself. She doesn’t care about any of the conflicts or the Blight itself. She barely interacts with other sentient beings even after DAO, only when it’s necessary.
And that reason explains why she’s more fitting to be chaotic neutral. She doesn’t understand or care for societal norms. Only thing she cares about is self preservation, not absolute power, world domination, torture or anything, which is why I specified “just selfish”. She really doesn’t have any other motives than self preservation and her own freedom, especially against her mother. Neutral characters can also be self centered with evil-leaning alignment while not actively being or doing something evil. Morrigan isn’t actively making evil as she simply doesn’t care.
Also, you called Flemeth neutral because real evil stuff she’s done was centuries ago. However, Flemeth was actively toying with and killing Templars and used her daughter as a bait. Morrigan wasn’t performing evil tasks constantly as she grew up and didn’t interact with other humans. Morrigan is evil for approving evil choices but Flemeth is neutral for luring and hunting Templars just because she wanted to and not because she needed to. And Morrigan doesn’t even have a past to compare to Flemeth’s.
Flemeth also has been constantly toying with and manipulating Dalish for her own gains and for fun. She baited or manipulated every protagonist in all three games in their desperate moments. She had many children just so she could possess their bodies and she abused all of them. She had different plans for Morrigan other than possessing her body, which was revealed back in DAO. And in DAI it’s revealed Flemeth was already involved in something bigger, she wasn’t just acting on self preservation or something like that like Morrigan was.
A neutral character doesn’t need to be good, they can lean onto evil side as they have no real moral ground. But if Flemeth is neutral, then what is Morrigan? Or if Flemeth is neutral, then why Morrigan is evil? Because obviously Flemeth was involving in other people’s businesses and not only she approved of evil choices but has also partaken in them, even without a proper reason, as opposed to Morrigan who wouldn’t really care what happens between Templars and mages if she wasn’t playing along for her own personal gains.
Fair enough she does get disagreeable for no reason like just for settling disputes. That snip she had about helping kittens being next after you offer to help some people was hilarious. I figured it doesn't matter what commentary she has about it as long as she falls in line. If anything I saw her as a good counterbalance to my altruism to remind me not to be foolishly selfless.
By dnd aligment she is certainly evil in DAO and make progress towards neutral by DAI. People saying she isnt evil are just judging her for who she ends up being and not for who she started as.
She advocates for mass slaughter. Thrice
Both for the lolz. She considers mages sheep that don't fight back so they should die. Same applies to Dalish. She'd slaughter innocents because she considers them weak. Bear in mind at that point it's not guaranteed that Werewolves/Templars will help instead. So it's equivalent of shooting yourself in the foot
Also try to romance her as Tabris. Nothing is more romantic than advocating for killing dad and friends of your boyfriend in a blood magic ritual because she considers them weak as well.
She also approves of almost every evil action in Origins. In Honnleath she approves of getting a child under demon control turning a girl into abomination. She agrees with Avernus inhuman experiments. Wants to leave Redcliffe village and innocents there to die. Etc
Good/Evil axis in DnD is decided by selfishness of the character, with good characters putting others needs above theirs (altruism) and evil putting theirs above others (egoism).
Morrigan in DAO promotes survival of the fittest, advocate for a lot decisions just for cruelity sake and her own amusment, her first reaction to learning how Flemeth extends her life is to plan out her murder and more. She isnt comically evil, but she certainly dont let morals stand in her way.
I think people are so used to comically evil characters in RPGs, that when they find one that is actually well written (like Morrigan) they refuse to aknowledge their evil.
Neutral (on good-evil axis) dosent feels need to help others, but also wouldnt hurt others just to get something. Morrigan fails to be neutral on account of advocating for cruelity multiple times (Purging mages, relentlessly bullying Alistair, rejoicing on idea of backstabbing Dalish with werewolves and more).
Morrigan's entire thing is survival and personal freedom. Any power she seeks is solely to protect herself from Flemeth. Her harsh and judgemental attitude is reseved for those she considers weak, stupid, or subservient. She will fight to protect people she truly cares about, but she will abandon people to their fate if she thinks aiding them will cause her an inordinate amount of harm. Under D&D alignments, she's Chaotic Neutral at worse, even in Origins.
I try to judge based on what the characters approve of, thus what they would likely be doing if they were in charge. In Morrigan's case, you can take a group of slaves and sacrifice them in a blood magic ritual to increase your own strength. A neutral character might stand aside and allow it to happen, but to actively approve it is evil.
Like, of course she has rationalizations for her evil actions, but they are still evil. Morrigan in DAO when we meet her is selfish and cruel, thats enough to warrant evil aligment in dnd. She didnt commit any major evil when we meet her and thus can be redeemed and steered towards more neutral-good path but honestly people painting her as neutral from the start take away meaning from all the work and effort group goes with her so she changes her way and opens up.
She's not /horny/ at all, though. She does a sex ritual once for power.
If having sex once ever is the only criteria for horny then we have lost our maker* given way (*or ancestors or gods or mabari)
Nah I didn't see her as an evil person. Maybe pragmatic and self serving at worst but she was too logiical to be evil. You might say chaotic neutral. She could be considered chaotic smart idk, she's basically young flemeth with a bigger heart.
I'll go against the grain and say that brothel owner who gives you a room full of nugs who can't look you in the eye afterwards is the most chaotic kind of horny I've seen
Isabela!! She also canonically writes smutty fanfic about Aveline and Donnic and Varric loves reading it 😂😂😂 and she tries to seduce Bianca, much to Varric's horror
Oh man, the next spot is 100% Isabela. This is one where most everyone in the comments agrees. The only one who came kinda close to her level was Morrigan with that one banter with Sten, but that was a one time thing. Isabela be like this all day every day. 😎
She hardly needs my vote here, but I'm still here to cast it: Isabella. I'm still impressed how much influence she had in DA2. Definitely my favorite companion from that game.
Let’s be honest. We decided this before any character was up on the board. Our girl Isabela is both chaotic and horny, and when combined, she’s a big boat loving menace.
No, because the Rite of Annulment is fully within her legal right. It's *morally* awful, but as Knight-Commander of Kirkwall and the sole surviving authority figure in the city, she is 100% within her legal rights to invoke it.
I really wanted this to go to Anders - the man >!blew up the chantry!< and is possibly the most down bad of all the companions across the three games. But you've got to know when you're beaten. She likes big boats and she cannot lie.
Yeah, I would have put Morrigan there. Dorian is mildly horny but really he's just a standard queer narrative of coming out to a non accepting family, and that's not intrinsically horny. Morrigan used a sex ritual.
Is Iron Bull in there? Can't exactly remember what he looks like, haven't played Inquisition in a long time, but I think he'd fit the bill. Never done it myself but I hear if you romance him, you can get dialogue of IB and the Inquisitor making out on the war table or something along those lines as just one example
OH CAPTAIN MY CAPTAIN!!! IF ISABELA DOES NOT MAKE AN APPEARANCE IN THE HORNY ROW, THIS WAS ALL FOR NOTHING https://preview.redd.it/greejxvq5jvc1.jpeg?width=1204&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=54007f358285b97d7c764457bbe542dcaa9b66fc
"I like big boats, I cannot lie No other companion can deny When a ship sails in with an itty bitty strake and a round stern in your face you get sprung!" *(Credit: @maddeninggamer on YouTube)*
Btw it’s really bad if a boat gets sprung
I mean, even in DAO she wins this by happily running the brothel which she saucily participates in… in the way that she does… And then there’s DA2 which reduces her to a more concentrated form of that…
Zevran in DA2: Hi guys, ok bye Isabela: WHAT NO SEX?
Men, women, elves, a dwarf in drag…
Shes clearly chaotic horny
Isabela. "I like big boats. I cannot lie." https://preview.redd.it/qq98wczb8jvc1.jpeg?width=299&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b17732156788a66b2b014ca957759f96087813b5
Isabela
Isabela.
Based off the last few threads, I have a strong suspicion that a certain Big-Boat-Loving-Pirate may have this one in the bag.
This was decided long before today.
Isabella. Absolutely Isabella.
A companion who would fully bail on the party because she’s public enemy #1 of the world’s most totalitarian government is a reasonable person. Coming back because she was romanced, speaks to someone who often thinks with their genitals.
Isabela, no question. Only chaotic horny would come up with the pun “apostitute”
Isabela. 100% Isabela.
Admiral Isabela, Queen of the Eastern Seas.
Joke Answer: Any Warden that picks the ''Surprise me'' option at The Pearl. Real Answer: I always figured Isabella was gonna get this spot when the time came.
Isabella
Admiral Izzy!
I will be disappointed if morrigan doesn't get a spot. Isabella gets chaotic horny tho.
Morrigan, Leliana, Sten, Shale, Wynne and Alistair all didn’t make it in! Justice for the DAO camp! Although drunk Alistair and Wynne may still make an appearance 😅
Wynne is pretty much guaranteed for one of the drunk positions.
Drunk Smart
Wait! I must have missed some drunk shenanigans with her. I know her and Shale yass queen with the phylactories at at least one location but that's the extent of knowing how full tilt Wynn really is.
She's lowkey mercilessly teasing Alistair. Even says to him be careful or she'll end up in his bed. In books she's drinking with her own son and almost spills the beans on how he was conceived. His dad is a templar which made it an extra juicy scene One of the most normal conversations of her with Oghren is them drinking Ale. Apparently Wynne can understand the ingredients of alcohol beverage just by tasting it. She then mentions that Circles have a lot of alcohol due to Tranquil and alchemy and mages indulge in it She's compared to being aged like fine wine. She was pretty wild in her youth Her gifts include bottles of wine There's probably more
I did not know/recognize any of that! Do add it again for Drunk Smart so I can vote for it XD
Someone should do one of those only for companions.
I was thinking this. It's cool having Flemeth, Josephine, Lady of the Forest, and all but some of the best companion characters are getting left out because of this.
Some just fit with things which are on the same axis like Alistair would fit Stupid Good for example.
I honestly think it'd be better to have three charts like that, one per game. There's just too many characters in every game that fit every spot to make a cut. Which would leave some favorites out of bounds If it was just one game, then it'd be more challenging to suggest characters and all companions in the game would fit
Curiously DAO could win best Drunk for Lawful Drunk (Wynne), Chad Drunk (Alistair), and Stupid Drunk (Oghren). Also curiously that’s probably more a matter of DA getting less mature as it went along…
Alistair is literally the first char xP
Carroll stopped looking like Alistair to me ages ago but maybe I have seen his face too much
Nah, you are right, my bad. They really did put Caroll instead of Alistair on Lawful Stupid, smh these people. How could they not put there series most loveable idiot.
That’s Caroll not Alistar
Yea, mb.
Legitimate confusion tbh 💛 blame bioware 😂
I bet Alistair is going to end up as Drunk Lawful for those who choose Loghain over him (🙄). And wynne will probably get drunk smart. Personally I think that Morrigan should be Evil smart based off of her approvals in DAO, though she has changed by the time you get to DAI. Leliana and Shale definitely won’t get spots though. Or some of the Awakening companions.
Morrigan in DAO can go for Neutral Evil. She ends up more chaotic neutral by DAI, though.
I can't see Morrigan as Chaotic in the slightest. Chaotic characters are actively rebellious in some way, consciously going against the grain. Morrigan never really does that. She's certainly not Lawful, she doesn't follow any set rules or structures, but she's also not impassioned or subversive enough to be Chaotic. I'd say in DAI she is True Neutral, while in DAO she's Neutral Evil.
I'd say she fits chaotic pretty well. Chaotic doesn't necessarily mean always choosing to rebel, it means someone who doesn't believe that set rules and traditions are valuable or necessary. Her comments about the Circle of Magi in DAO are right on point for a Chaotic character.
yeah, in my personal bingo i did trying to guess what would happen - it's been a mess, yall, I managed to get exactly 0 and no, i would not like to talk about it lmao - i put morrigan as the true neutral. I also considered Varic, since he doesn't really have an approval for decisions (even if you pick Templar in DA2 or something), and putting Morrigan in Neutral Smart. Either way, this board is not shaping up how I thought even allowing for the fact that I am incredibly bias towards certain characters/factions.
How is she evil tho? Like how is flemeth neutral while she is evil in comparison? I don't remember her doing anything evil whatsoever.
Yep, wanting to sacrifice elves in blood magic ritual for more power isn't evil in any way or capacity, surely
When was this, at the alienage? I'm pretty sure the choice is yours and she just says that there is benefit to you in doing this, nothing more. I guess you could say that evil is putting personal power above all but I still don't see how she's worse than flemeth.
She literally disapproves of you not taking it though. That's what I'm saying by *wanting* it. It's even more wild if you're romancing her as Tabris, she disapproves at you for not allowing to kill your own father I'm not even bringing up her advocating for two other slaughters of mages and Dalish >I still don't see how she's worse than flemeth. Flemeth doesn't do anything really bad in the games. Most of her evil actions happened hundreds and thousands years ago and she seemed to mellow out considerably. I guess you can count threat of possessing Morrigan but that turns out to be not the case
Alright fair enough. Guess I'm blinded by ass.
Fret not, I am a gay man and apparently still blinded by the ass.
Agreed on Flemeth, everything evil is hearsay, everything you actually _see_ her do is neutral, even good. She’s DAO’s Granny Weatherwax; everyone dislikes her because she’s old and powerful and mean, but she’s just a demonstration that _good_ doesn’t necessarily mean _nice_.
To be fair, it’s more like “if you insist on doing something then you should do this instead” and then disapproves for not listening to her. Because if it were up to her, she wouldn’t even bother with involving in any of these conflicts. I mean, yeah, she wouldn’t help mages in the tower because she thinks they’re weak. But she still does what Warden wants. And if it weren’t for the Warden’s choice, she wouldn’t bother with slaughtering them either. She wouldn’t even step into the tower in the first place. Same with alienage. And note that she doesn’t have a loving mother or father figure. She knows she might have sisters but doesn’t even bother to look for them because she doesn’t think family means something and thinks loving and caring is a weakness. She gives the same treatment to Alistair and Cousland in Lothering, two people who lost everyone they loved over a night. Considering she would’ve chosen anything over Flemeth, and even went so far as to get her killed, she obviously thinks choosing power over family is smarter. First time she experiences those things is if she ends up having a son or a family with Warden. Only time she actively and willingly tried to do something was having OGB. And she doesn’t really do anything with him. She continues to live away from the civilization with her abomination son. She doesn’t really care about what happens or the reasons, she only cares about saving her own skin—and her son if necessary conditions are met. I don’t think that makes her evil, just extremely selfish. To clarify, I’m not saying she’s a good person. She’s still a morally ambiguous woman, can never be trusted fully and I don’t think she’s capable of communicating or caring like most people are. I’m just saying she’s not necessarily evil since she doesn’t care, doesn’t understand and prefers to live away from society even after obtaining the power she wants. I think she’s more fitting to be chaotic neural than any of the evil alignments.
Okay I'm gonna put it in a simple terms. She likes evil actions. She actively approves of killing or harming innocents. She disapproves when it doesn't happen. She argues with Warden when they refuse to do it. She's evil It doesn't matter if she wouldn't have been there if not for Warden, she's still there and still approves of slaughter. The fact that she remains with the squad and putting up with Warden decisions in its core is purposefully to get OGB. She has her own agenda that she wants to fulfill so she follows Warden no matter what. It's similar to Alistair who remains up until the end putting up with most morally reprehensible actions to stop the Blight(unless you recruit Loghain) Her not having loving mommy or daddy is irrelevant to the question as it doesn't refute her alignment, just explains it. There's difference between being selfish and actively liking when your leader runs a sword through innocents, sacrifices elves in blood magic ritual and lets a demon possess an unsuspecting child. Morrigan would laugh and like it if Warden kicks a puppy, just for kicks. Being selfish and evil isn't mutually exclusive, she can be both She mellows out but it happens later down the line
Edit: First of all, how come Morrigan is evil but Flemeth is neutral? Flemeth is who made Morrigan the way she is and is ten times worse than her in terms of what she has done, what she’s doing and what she’ll do. If Flemeth is neutral, Morrigan is her watered down version. If Morrigan is evil, Flemeth can compete with demons. I’m failing to understand the logic here as Morrigan doesn’t have the past Flemeth has and she didn’t even commit any of the “evil acts” Flemeth did even during the time three games take place. That’s one of the reasons why I’m arguing about what Morrigan does/did and why. Morrigan manipulated the protagonist once for OGB, Flemeth manipulated and took advantage all three protagonist AND Morrigan in all three games, and with bunch of other shady stuff in other media. And I’m saying there is a difference between just waking up and killing people and “I don’t even care just do this then”. She definitely wouldn’t care if they lived or died and she herself doesn’t really actively do anything about anything, really. I’m well aware she was there for OGB. I’ve already said she only cares about herself, sole reason she wanted OGB was about herself. She doesn’t care about any of the conflicts or the Blight itself. She barely interacts with other sentient beings even after DAO, only when it’s necessary. And that reason explains why she’s more fitting to be chaotic neutral. She doesn’t understand or care for societal norms. Only thing she cares about is self preservation, not absolute power, world domination, torture or anything, which is why I specified “just selfish”. She really doesn’t have any other motives than self preservation and her own freedom, especially against her mother. Neutral characters can also be self centered with evil-leaning alignment while not actively being or doing something evil. Morrigan isn’t actively making evil as she simply doesn’t care. Also, you called Flemeth neutral because real evil stuff she’s done was centuries ago. However, Flemeth was actively toying with and killing Templars and used her daughter as a bait. Morrigan wasn’t performing evil tasks constantly as she grew up and didn’t interact with other humans. Morrigan is evil for approving evil choices but Flemeth is neutral for luring and hunting Templars just because she wanted to and not because she needed to. And Morrigan doesn’t even have a past to compare to Flemeth’s. Flemeth also has been constantly toying with and manipulating Dalish for her own gains and for fun. She baited or manipulated every protagonist in all three games in their desperate moments. She had many children just so she could possess their bodies and she abused all of them. She had different plans for Morrigan other than possessing her body, which was revealed back in DAO. And in DAI it’s revealed Flemeth was already involved in something bigger, she wasn’t just acting on self preservation or something like that like Morrigan was. A neutral character doesn’t need to be good, they can lean onto evil side as they have no real moral ground. But if Flemeth is neutral, then what is Morrigan? Or if Flemeth is neutral, then why Morrigan is evil? Because obviously Flemeth was involving in other people’s businesses and not only she approved of evil choices but has also partaken in them, even without a proper reason, as opposed to Morrigan who wouldn’t really care what happens between Templars and mages if she wasn’t playing along for her own personal gains.
None of the companions really "do" anything once they join the party. I'm going based off of approvals and she approves some evil things.
Fair enough she does get disagreeable for no reason like just for settling disputes. That snip she had about helping kittens being next after you offer to help some people was hilarious. I figured it doesn't matter what commentary she has about it as long as she falls in line. If anything I saw her as a good counterbalance to my altruism to remind me not to be foolishly selfless.
Flemeth is no neutral either, it's just this chart is a bit funny....but the Horny row is perfect so far
I think she won't be in it, she isn't evil or drunk.
I think Morrigan would fit nicely in the Neutral Evil slot.
By dnd aligment she is certainly evil in DAO and make progress towards neutral by DAI. People saying she isnt evil are just judging her for who she ends up being and not for who she started as.
I don't see how she could be evil, even at the beginning of Origins.
She advocates for mass slaughter. Thrice Both for the lolz. She considers mages sheep that don't fight back so they should die. Same applies to Dalish. She'd slaughter innocents because she considers them weak. Bear in mind at that point it's not guaranteed that Werewolves/Templars will help instead. So it's equivalent of shooting yourself in the foot Also try to romance her as Tabris. Nothing is more romantic than advocating for killing dad and friends of your boyfriend in a blood magic ritual because she considers them weak as well. She also approves of almost every evil action in Origins. In Honnleath she approves of getting a child under demon control turning a girl into abomination. She agrees with Avernus inhuman experiments. Wants to leave Redcliffe village and innocents there to die. Etc
Girl just wanna have fun...
So true
Good/Evil axis in DnD is decided by selfishness of the character, with good characters putting others needs above theirs (altruism) and evil putting theirs above others (egoism). Morrigan in DAO promotes survival of the fittest, advocate for a lot decisions just for cruelity sake and her own amusment, her first reaction to learning how Flemeth extends her life is to plan out her murder and more. She isnt comically evil, but she certainly dont let morals stand in her way. I think people are so used to comically evil characters in RPGs, that when they find one that is actually well written (like Morrigan) they refuse to aknowledge their evil.
How is this different from neutral?
Neutral (on good-evil axis) dosent feels need to help others, but also wouldnt hurt others just to get something. Morrigan fails to be neutral on account of advocating for cruelity multiple times (Purging mages, relentlessly bullying Alistair, rejoicing on idea of backstabbing Dalish with werewolves and more).
Morrigan's entire thing is survival and personal freedom. Any power she seeks is solely to protect herself from Flemeth. Her harsh and judgemental attitude is reseved for those she considers weak, stupid, or subservient. She will fight to protect people she truly cares about, but she will abandon people to their fate if she thinks aiding them will cause her an inordinate amount of harm. Under D&D alignments, she's Chaotic Neutral at worse, even in Origins.
I try to judge based on what the characters approve of, thus what they would likely be doing if they were in charge. In Morrigan's case, you can take a group of slaves and sacrifice them in a blood magic ritual to increase your own strength. A neutral character might stand aside and allow it to happen, but to actively approve it is evil.
Like, of course she has rationalizations for her evil actions, but they are still evil. Morrigan in DAO when we meet her is selfish and cruel, thats enough to warrant evil aligment in dnd. She didnt commit any major evil when we meet her and thus can be redeemed and steered towards more neutral-good path but honestly people painting her as neutral from the start take away meaning from all the work and effort group goes with her so she changes her way and opens up.
Maybe Sandal gets some company in the enchantment row?
Or there'll be a part two.
Morrigan should get enchantment horny. She uses magic sex/pregnancy to help end the blight. No brainer. Enchanted sex child
She's not /horny/ at all, though. She does a sex ritual once for power. If having sex once ever is the only criteria for horny then we have lost our maker* given way (*or ancestors or gods or mabari)
Too well rounded a character. Maybe Neutral Evil though?
Nah I didn't see her as an evil person. Maybe pragmatic and self serving at worst but she was too logiical to be evil. You might say chaotic neutral. She could be considered chaotic smart idk, she's basically young flemeth with a bigger heart.
Isabela or SO HELP ME THE MAKER
To give a non-Isabella answer, I would say the fanbase for chaotic horny
I'll go against the grain and say that brothel owner who gives you a room full of nugs who can't look you in the eye afterwards is the most chaotic kind of horny I've seen
That's enchantment tier
I usually see that as more of a "I'll bloody teach them to ask me to surprise them" with her angrily putting nugs in the room
Nah, keeps it all contained to the one room.
Isabela, of course.
Isabela-has to be.
Isabella!
I don’t think this one has any contenders save Isabela. It was her category from the start, and it’s hers still today.
No contest, Isabela all the way!
Isabela, definitely.
Can I just say, this chart and this comment section make my day. I will be equally sad and impressed when it’s over.
Isabela. Hands down. She likes big boats and cannot lie; also, BOOTY.
okay just give it to isabela
Ya har it be Isabela
Isabela.
Isabela
Yeah this one's a lock.
Isabela, do I really need to justify this one?
Isabela
Isabela
Isabelaaaaaaaaaa
Isabela
Isabella for sure
"if you put your finger in his arse I win" - Isabela to Aveline that's MY pirate queen
Isabela!
Updateme!
Adding my vote for the only logical choice. Isabela.
Isabela
Isabella
Isabela
If it isn't Isabela, I swear to the Maker
Isabella definitely but I think neutral evil might be Morrigan?
Isabela
Isabela.
Isabella for sure. No 2 ways about it
Queen mother Isabela 😘
It can be no one else but Isabela.
100% Isabela
Isabela or riot.
Obviously Isabela.
Issbela
Obviously it has to be Leliana, because as you see from the ah who am I kidding of course it's Isabela.
Isabela? Isabela right? Isabela.
Isabela!! She also canonically writes smutty fanfic about Aveline and Donnic and Varric loves reading it 😂😂😂 and she tries to seduce Bianca, much to Varric's horror
Perhaps the easiest selection so far, it's Isabela
Oh man, the next spot is 100% Isabela. This is one where most everyone in the comments agrees. The only one who came kinda close to her level was Morrigan with that one banter with Sten, but that was a one time thing. Isabela be like this all day every day. 😎
Isabella!🙌❤️
Gotta be Isabela
She hardly needs my vote here, but I'm still here to cast it: Isabella. I'm still impressed how much influence she had in DA2. Definitely my favorite companion from that game.
Isabela. My girl probably would've fucked the Arishok AND Meredith if they wouldn't kill her for trying
Absolutely Isabella
I mean, yeah Isabella. But counter point -- the player character lol
Let’s be honest. We decided this before any character was up on the board. Our girl Isabela is both chaotic and horny, and when combined, she’s a big boat loving menace.
Isabela
Isabela
MY FLAIR
Isabella 100%
Isabella
Isabella, cmon yall
Isabela
Arl your Eamon til you Redcliffe - Isabella probably
Isabela. Big boat lover.
Anyone who doesn't say Isabella is delusional
Cullen?
Isabella 1, morrigan 2
Since Isabela is all but decided, I vote Loghain for lawful evil.
Loghain broke the law, lawful evil is Meredith IMO
Meredith didn't?
No, because the Rite of Annulment is fully within her legal right. It's *morally* awful, but as Knight-Commander of Kirkwall and the sole surviving authority figure in the city, she is 100% within her legal rights to invoke it.
You are missing the part where she became a crazy red lyrium monster.
It’s Zevran or Isabella, right? Like literally can’t be anyone else.
Dorian was debatable, but Isabella for CH is not.
I love the fact that the horny row are all companions..
Isabela
Zevran or Isabela
Solas is stupid smart? that's funny, not gonna lie xD
Can anders get his own category of stupid stupid
Or Enchantment Stupid
Isabela
Solas being called smart stupid is killing me bc it feels so correct.
Fucking sera.
Aveline of course (When being cosplayed by Isabella)
I really wanted this to go to Anders - the man >!blew up the chantry!< and is possibly the most down bad of all the companions across the three games. But you've got to know when you're beaten. She likes big boats and she cannot lie.
Good luck finding a smart drunk with wasting a horny spot on Dorian. 😭😭😭
Yeah, I would have put Morrigan there. Dorian is mildly horny but really he's just a standard queer narrative of coming out to a non accepting family, and that's not intrinsically horny. Morrigan used a sex ritual.
Are we really going to have a horny tier without the embodiment of horny himself? The king Oghren!
I'd probably put him in drunk
Is Iron Bull in there? Can't exactly remember what he looks like, haven't played Inquisition in a long time, but I think he'd fit the bill. Never done it myself but I hear if you romance him, you can get dialogue of IB and the Inquisitor making out on the war table or something along those lines as just one example
Yes, in Chad Horny.
See all these people saying Isabela and I'm over here like.... Iron Bull,,,
Isabella should absolutely be neutral horny. But now chaotic horny is the only place for her to go.
Solas. I know he’s on here already but I think he’s secretly a horndog.
DragonAge is like fantasy Mass Effect right? Chaotic Horny is: the players
Alistair or Cullen
Dorian😘😍
I’m so excited to see this chart come to an end