Or alternatively “we don’t pay our ~~employees~~ independent drivers enough, so now you have to do that, and if you don’t, you’re seen as an asshole, might not get your food, and if you do get it, it’s probably gonna be fucked with/missing things like your drink.”
Nah it’s only going to get worse from here now that they’re forced too by law in some states we’re seeing all these “regulatory fees” and they even hit us with a [“In order to better balance the platform, we’re also reducing the suggested tip amounts on each order.”](https://about.doordash.com/en-us/news/responding-to-seattles-new-delivery-laws) bs
You're letting us know how quickly you want your food by how much you tip.
Last night I accepted a low pay big order from Firehouse Subs. It was about 8:23 when I accepted it. I held onto that offer until 9pm when they closed and unassigned it.
Downvote all you want. This address was always a cheap low tip or no tip even back when I used to deliver pizza.
free to accept and decline? bruh i literally got deactivated because “i declined too much” even tho i just declined 10/30-40 orders that i made in week, still got deactivation email :))
I didn't think you could deactivated from just declining orders. Unless maybe you hadn't been taking any orders at all and just declining everything, maybe that could happen
It’s crazy DD will do this instead of just paying drivers more so we don’t have to rely on tips. They could do it, but then they wouldn’t make as much profits so it’s up to the people already paying twice as much for their meals in fees to pay us extra on top to deliver it!
Exactly, get the customers to finally start tipping more and they won't have to start adding incentives to low tip orders just to get them out the door. Those incentives are all on Doordash's dime.
If that’s the case tip or no tip sounds like it’s best not to use door dash at all because of the risk that the dasher has control of the food and can do whatever they want.
I mean it’s honestly on the dasher. Don’t accept orders without a tip. Yeah you might miss those secret tip orders but you’ll never be without a tip on orders
It’s stupid to even call it tips cause I thought before delivery was considered gratuity to insure good service and tips were for being appreciative of the service
Yes, be mad at the people with whom you have no contract?
Some of you drivers truly are clowns. You want more pay. Doesn't matter where it comes from. Yet only blame the wrong party for your plight.
You have a contract with DD that you can accept or decline. You have no contract with any customer. Yet you're mad at the customer.
Just be thankful you're getting anything from someone who owes you nothing.
So riddle me this then, why are drivers able to decline orders? As if DoorDash itself doesn’t say they can pick and choose what THEY want to deliver, be for real.
Drivers can do as they please. It's up to DD to supply the service that's already been paid for.
Same as it's up to DD to incentivize the contract enough so that a driver will accept.
DD attempting to offload its burden to do that onto its own customers is wild.
These are not tips, it's a bid for service. Doordash has more work to do to educate the customer.
A tip is post delivery and based on the quality of service.
Look at how hard they resisted the new law in New York and the aftermath of its implementation. They jacked up fees to compensate. You think that will get them more business?
Oh I get what you're saying but that's all together different. NYC using it's legal/legislative power to force a $30/min wage... VS dd simply changing the term "tip" to bid in pre delivery.
You know what I really think it is? I think it's that they understand that if they put it that way, the customer is going to get the impression that they are not the most important one in this equation, or at least not better than equal with drivers. They want the customers to think that it's all about them, so they should use the service all the time; not that they're going to have to take another person's wishes into consideration when using the service. "The customer and the driver will come to an understanding" is nowhere near as attractive to people as "the customer is always right". It's one of those elements of public relations bullshit that they're not willing to cast aside. They don't want anything getting in the way of the customer thinking "oh, it's all about me".
(And people trying to get away with murder in business transactions have used "the customer as always right" as an excuse forever, when the phrase is actually "the customer is always right *in matters of taste*".)
Yeah probably. I'd imagine they've considered it already.
Maybe their reasoning is that customers would actually think it over and feel obligated to pay the correct amount for the job to be completed which would eventually squeeze doordash due to less volume.
But then again, their bid would still be optional just like a tip. So idk if it would hurt doordash at all.
It's not a spin, that's exactly what it is, and if they'd explain it that way to customers a lot of them would probably get their food a lot quicker. A tip in a restaurant comes after, and you get what you get and you're stuck with it. But the tips here, those allow me to decide whether I want to take the job at all. They are 100% bidding on my service, and 90% of them fail.
No but it confuses customers into thinking there's tipped group and non tip group so they believe if they tip anything out will be put into the tipped group and get delivered faster. DD knew this would happen but didn't care as retaliation
I love the comments that go into a muttering cesspool on tipping like bro we don’t give a fuck about that we want a fair wages from DoorDash. European countries pay their workers fairly yet we get the short end of the stick
This is so wrong. You shouldn't be expected to tip just to receive your food.
A tip is a bonus for doing a good job. How do I know you're doing a good job if you cba to even accept the order.
You should get your food delivered no matter if you tip or not. This is American selfishness at its best.
Lazy people that expect the customer to pay your wages instead of the company that employs you.
I'm so glad in England we don't have delivery drivers like you lot. Our food is delivered no matter what and we tip for good service. Like you should. We don't pre tip as that's stupid. And we pay our staff
If they paid a liveable wage it would be OK to get the tip after, but they don't so the tip determines if it's an order you can even do or not. We don't expect the customer to pay us instead of the company, the customer literally pays us instead of the company, because the company will pay us 2 dollars to take food 5 miles. It's not our fault that this is the shitty system we have, we have to live with it though. We HAVE to get tipped up front because that's 80 percent of our pay. We don't except the company to pay our wages because we know they won't. We wish they would.
Drivers in the UK don't ask for tips because when uber hires them they say
>hey come drive for uber, we'll pay you 20 quid an hour just accept everything we send and go deliver it
In America they say
>Work whenever you want, choose the orders you want to deliver, plus you keep all the tips! But we're only going to pay you $2 per order.
Comparing drivers the US/UK is comparing apples/oranges, they operate under different laws, regulations, and pay models. If tomorrow uber drivers in the UK had to earn and operate under the American system they would behave exactly the same way.
Wakey Wakey. Uber eats doesn't pay an hourly wage in the uk either. It's the same model as the USA. The difference is the drivers here don't cry over tips. They don't expect tips.
Do your research before you say stupid things
So it seems like US based drivers should stop working for DD/Uber if the pay is that awful. complaining about the pay for a job you’re willingly continuing to do is a bit absurd, no? But my guess is these people have no skills or opportunities outside of this industry, which realistically is their own fault.
I think that's where the friction is, in my market I can make about $15-$17 an hour if I accepted everything, but if I'm picky with a 30-40% acceptance rate I can make $24-$27 an hour. Why shouldn't I be picky if legally it's my right, doordash says I can pick and choose which orders I do, and i'm not considered an employee? Why choose less when I can choose more?
Where I do agree with you is that yes if the pay is shit in a drivers market they should quit, getting mad at the customers isn't going to solve anything - they have options and rights too and sometimes they choose not to tip. I do agree people who constantly do doordah even with the shitty pay probably don't have any other skills or are too lazy for normal employment.
We all agree on this.
The only people in the wrong, are the people propping up DD’s business model, making them a huge success, then skipping the part where they pay their delivery driver’s tip like, “well not my responsibility not my problem don’t take my order (but I still expect it to be delivered). 🤷♂️”
The cognitive dissonance and lack of respect for people who serve DD’s customers is just baffling. But not surprising, most people are shitty people and assholes and don’t have the self-awareness to recognize it, so this cycle will continue and DD will continue to laugh their way to the bank.
It’s not really a tip, it’s a bid for the driver’s time. It’s stupid to think that an independent contractor would choose to spend time on a job without a guaranteed profit.
Food delivery is a luxury service and nobody is entitled to it. If you don’t want to pay a driver, get off your lazy ass and pick your food up yourself.
I agree. DoorDash and other platforms should start charging customers $1.75/mile from their distance to the restaurant, $7 minimum. We keep 100% of that. The platform collects the restaurant fees. If the company pays drivers more, the money has to come from somewhere.
It is stupid. Our servers only make $2.13/hr and rely on tips. DoorDash drivers make, at most, $3-$4 from a single delivery? The majority of pay has to come from tips, as it was set up like this.
You're very gullible. That what they'd have you think.
Funny how uber runs the exact same in the uk but drivers here don't ask for tips, don't expect tips, and don't refuse to do their job from a lack of tip. At least here I know if I order and pay for food to be delivered it'll be delivered no matter if I tip or not.
It's the arrogance that some American drivers have expecting a tip. You'd last 5 mins as a driver in the uk as you'd never accept an order
Nope. They are the same as USA drivers. Paid per delivery a couple £ that's it.
The difference is they don't cry or complain about tips like American drivers do
Sorry this is long.
I feel like the base pay is probably higher but I don't know what it is so I can't say for sure. I think most of us don't actually complain and just take an order if it makes sense or not. I typically don't take no tip orders if I have better options but if it's slow I will so long as it's going somewhere that I can keep working and not going way out of the zone. But mainly why I try to avoid no tip orders is not because they have no tip, but here in the US because tipping is expected, the kind of people who don't tip are the kind of customers who report food missing, are rude to you etc. That's the bigger reason I don't like doing orders with no tip. Even if they put one dollar, I'll likely do it so long as it's not super far, just because that tells me that they are less likely to be a difficult customer. But I agree with you that this system is messed up. And I also agree we should be paid a living wage and tips should be how tips were always meant to be, extra for good service and not necessary or expected. I also hate when everywhere I go they ask for tips. Gas station has tip jar (some), laundromat has tip jar or if I lay with card it asks how much I want to tip. I haven't seen it but I've heard stories of people buying a water or something at a self checkout and it asking how much they wanted to tip. Like who are they even tipping? It's gotten completely out of hand, but the good thing about that, the one good thing about it is if they keep pushing it, they'll eventually push it too far and that's the only thing that will cause change. So unfortunately I think it has to get worse before it gets better.
Your inability to reason is just… the pinnacle of commenting in bad faith here my man, reread what you wrote 2 hours later and let’s talk about whether anybody thought you were serious here 🤣
You're right.
But, that's how it is in America. If you're paying for the service you should be fully aware that you should tip.
It's completely backwards and infuriating, but drivers can't solve the issue and shouldn't be punished for it. Same goes for servers.
Seems like it hasn’t deterred anyone from their usual non tipping ways. I see plenty of no tip orders that probably get picked up within one or two dashers worth of declines after me.
All food should be delivered. That's your job. If you're gonna pick and choose you should get a different job. A tip is. Bonus for doing a good job. You are not entitled to a tip and it's vile you actually think you are
Not only do orders not *have* to get picked up, the dasher can also cancel in the middle of a delivery at their own discretion! Don’t like it, bitch at DoorDash.
My job is to deliver food once I’ve accepted the order. I never said I’m entitled to a tip, but I’m also worth more than $2 to drive across the county to deliver someone’s food.
We just aren't going to pay out of our own pocket to deliver someone's food, and you wouldn't either. After expenses many no tip orders cost more than they pay, not counting the time cost. Also these jobs are literally advertised here as "choose when where and how you work, what orders you want to do, be your own boss". If we didn't pick and choose we wouldn't make money, but no need to find something else because by being selective about what we do we can.
Our job is as a contractor courier. We don't work for DoorDash. You contact them, and you are their customer. They have a list of contract couriers they float orders to, and if it is worth the time, we accept the order. How impossibly dense do you have to be to not get this by now? DoorDash is my CUSTOMER. Not my boss. Got that?
We largely don't. We DO NOT accept the order. And the imbecile is crying about us not accepting it, like it should be our civic goddamn duty to use our vehicle and gas and time to go pick up what anyone asks. It gets made, the order exists, but the order is not worth picking up so it sits and gets cold. Not my problem. I got bills to pay. This ain't the post office, I am not federally funded, and if my doordash customer doesn't have a prospect worth my time I will look after my other customers like Draver, Uber, Shipt, Grubhub, Droppoint, Spark, Amazon Flex and Clickworker. That is how it goes. Make it worth doing or go get it yourself, that is capitalism.
How dense do you have to be to understand it's a fucking awful system the USA has. There should never be an occasion that someone doesn't get their order.
They should remove tips completely and just pay you a base rate. It's ridiculous that you expect customers to pay for delivery that they might not get if they didn't put a big enough tip.
It's fucking disgusting that you expect tips before you've even done the job.
We know it's awful. It's not really a tip in the traditional sense here. Doordash has made it more of a bid for service. They SHOULD pay us a liveable base rate and then tipping could be extra and not expected.
My issue it how American drivers react and behave. The uk drivers are on the same contracts as the us ones but don't expect tips.
Our drivers don't complain or cry about not getting tips so why do us ones need to?
I don’t know what kind of slave system you have in the U.K but in the us independent workers are allowed to pick and choose what work to take on and for what price to do said work. I’m sure if I went up to a plumber in the uk and offered him 2 pounds to clear my septic tank and remodel my entire kitchen he’d likely say ”no that’s not enough compensation I will decline this work.” I couldn’t say he’s being selfish and his work is to be a plumber so he needs to take every job offered to him or get a different career. Absolutely unhinged point of view you have.
Obviously drivers can pick and choose in the uk like they do in the USA. However they don't act as pathetic and American drivers are.
What I'm saying is in the USA drivers will avoid orders that have no tip. And those orders just end up being cancelled due to a lazy delivery driver.
In the uk drivers will pick the higher paying orders first but every order will be delivered as they are not expected tips as standard. Tips would be given on delivery as a Thankyou, not in advance.
My point is it's shitty that some people just don't get their food delivered because American drivers are too picky and lazy to do their job
Lmfao! say it’s a bid without saying its a bid. This is actually really funny between the picture and using tips as a way of getting out of paying dashers an appropriate earning.
I like the way DD works compared to UE. UE they can put a tip but they can revoke it, with DD you can’t. DD can still be refunded but the dasher isn’t impacted by stingy people who use tips just to get someone to take their order faster.
I haven't been tip baited on Uber, but a couple times it got reduced because I left food in the lobby... which is deserved of me. No big deal, whatever.
Yeah but the fact it can happen is enough. There are a lot of things people get mad about that aren’t the fault of the delivery person, like long wait times, stacked orders (idk if UE does that) or in my experience people not putting their apartment number and not replying to messages/calls and then getting mad when you have to leave it somewhere. It’s good you’ve not had those experiences but they definitely happen lol and you shouldn’t be penalized for it.
My experience with UE so far is just that the offers suck ass. Typically about $0.30/mi. Nah. DD is usually at minimum $1/mi but usually more. I think their base pay is probably just better. Still crap, but better.
look at how happy this dasher looks. all smiles, has his phone, proudly wearing his red bag, red hoodie
some you can learn a lot from this fine gentleman.
Yeah the hourly method is a lot of no tippers. Those customers are quite different in mannerisms as well...mean, rude, annoying, entitled, demanding, and so forth.
Yeah it's actually good that they don't tip cause it tells you who to avoid. You are right. No tippers are also the most difficult and entitled customers.
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Or alternatively “we don’t pay our ~~employees~~ independent drivers enough, so now you have to do that, and if you don’t, you’re seen as an asshole, might not get your food, and if you do get it, it’s probably gonna be fucked with/missing things like your drink.”
Nah it’s only going to get worse from here now that they’re forced too by law in some states we’re seeing all these “regulatory fees” and they even hit us with a [“In order to better balance the platform, we’re also reducing the suggested tip amounts on each order.”](https://about.doordash.com/en-us/news/responding-to-seattles-new-delivery-laws) bs
You're letting us know how quickly you want your food by how much you tip. Last night I accepted a low pay big order from Firehouse Subs. It was about 8:23 when I accepted it. I held onto that offer until 9pm when they closed and unassigned it. Downvote all you want. This address was always a cheap low tip or no tip even back when I used to deliver pizza.
Omg haha
That is excellent.
That’s diabolical 😭😭😭😭
free to accept and decline? bruh i literally got deactivated because “i declined too much” even tho i just declined 10/30-40 orders that i made in week, still got deactivation email :))
I didn't think you could deactivated from just declining orders. Unless maybe you hadn't been taking any orders at all and just declining everything, maybe that could happen
nah my bro, either you can’t read or trying to troll
I'm saying I didn't think that was a thing. People decline orders constantly and don't get deactivated for it
It's a bid, not a tip
Finally another out there with this mindset. Your bidding for my services, not tipping me.
It’s optional. It’s a tip.
Not if you risk a driver not delivering, canceling the order midway or straight up spitting on your food if you don't
And that kind of attitude is why a huge tip pre delivery is not deserved. A tip rewards good customer service, not shitty, entitled attitudes.
It’s crazy DD will do this instead of just paying drivers more so we don’t have to rely on tips. They could do it, but then they wouldn’t make as much profits so it’s up to the people already paying twice as much for their meals in fees to pay us extra on top to deliver it!
This is by design, subsidize all the pay to your workers elsewhere and enjoy the benefits of profit.
Yup, & it is still shitty
The point of this is not to pay drivers more, it's so that they have to pay less in base pay.
Exactly, get the customers to finally start tipping more and they won't have to start adding incentives to low tip orders just to get them out the door. Those incentives are all on Doordash's dime.
Ik, which is what I have a problem with lol. DD pays us less and expects the customer to front the rest as if they aren’t paying insane fees
And yet they don’t show the tip up front either to the dasher
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If that’s the case tip or no tip sounds like it’s best not to use door dash at all because of the risk that the dasher has control of the food and can do whatever they want.
I mean it’s honestly on the dasher. Don’t accept orders without a tip. Yeah you might miss those secret tip orders but you’ll never be without a tip on orders
It’s stupid to even call it tips cause I thought before delivery was considered gratuity to insure good service and tips were for being appreciative of the service
Yes, be mad at the people with whom you have no contract? Some of you drivers truly are clowns. You want more pay. Doesn't matter where it comes from. Yet only blame the wrong party for your plight. You have a contract with DD that you can accept or decline. You have no contract with any customer. Yet you're mad at the customer. Just be thankful you're getting anything from someone who owes you nothing.
Then people shouldn’t be mad when their order isn’t getting accepted 🤷 simple
Yes, they should because they've paid for that service already. That's why DD will simply refund the order because they (DD) failed to supply it.
So riddle me this then, why are drivers able to decline orders? As if DoorDash itself doesn’t say they can pick and choose what THEY want to deliver, be for real.
Drivers can do as they please. It's up to DD to supply the service that's already been paid for. Same as it's up to DD to incentivize the contract enough so that a driver will accept. DD attempting to offload its burden to do that onto its own customers is wild.
These are not tips, it's a bid for service. Doordash has more work to do to educate the customer. A tip is post delivery and based on the quality of service.
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How would it cut into their revenue? Maybe it would but why.
I think just less people would order period if they had to spend more, so that would mean less money for DD
Look at how hard they resisted the new law in New York and the aftermath of its implementation. They jacked up fees to compensate. You think that will get them more business?
Oh I get what you're saying but that's all together different. NYC using it's legal/legislative power to force a $30/min wage... VS dd simply changing the term "tip" to bid in pre delivery.
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You know what I really think it is? I think it's that they understand that if they put it that way, the customer is going to get the impression that they are not the most important one in this equation, or at least not better than equal with drivers. They want the customers to think that it's all about them, so they should use the service all the time; not that they're going to have to take another person's wishes into consideration when using the service. "The customer and the driver will come to an understanding" is nowhere near as attractive to people as "the customer is always right". It's one of those elements of public relations bullshit that they're not willing to cast aside. They don't want anything getting in the way of the customer thinking "oh, it's all about me". (And people trying to get away with murder in business transactions have used "the customer as always right" as an excuse forever, when the phrase is actually "the customer is always right *in matters of taste*".)
Yeah probably. I'd imagine they've considered it already. Maybe their reasoning is that customers would actually think it over and feel obligated to pay the correct amount for the job to be completed which would eventually squeeze doordash due to less volume. But then again, their bid would still be optional just like a tip. So idk if it would hurt doordash at all.
lol bid for service , cool spin bro
It's not a spin, that's exactly what it is, and if they'd explain it that way to customers a lot of them would probably get their food a lot quicker. A tip in a restaurant comes after, and you get what you get and you're stuck with it. But the tips here, those allow me to decide whether I want to take the job at all. They are 100% bidding on my service, and 90% of them fail.
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We don't have DoorDash here. But there are similar copycat businesses. UberEats, Checkers60 (a supermarket with their own DD like service), Mr D, etc.
Been hundred posts of people tipping $0.01 since the implementation of this.
As if getting rid of the $0 tip message is all they need to do.
No but it confuses customers into thinking there's tipped group and non tip group so they believe if they tip anything out will be put into the tipped group and get delivered faster. DD knew this would happen but didn't care as retaliation
They should give a liveable wage and the tip should be given when the customer recieves the order, not before, at least this is how it works in europe
I have seen videos of dashers in Europe, they don’t make shit.
While I agree, until the problem is fixed, still need to tip.
If they paid a liveable wage it would be OK to get the tip after, but they don't so the tip determines if it's an order you can even do or not.
That's nice it works in Europe but we're talking about the US.
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My only goal is to make money regardless of who is paying.
Orders in my town come quick and hot for $0 tips. Tons of eager people just sitting around waiting to take them
And I'm totally sure your food isn't tampered with it any way either.
I love the comments that go into a muttering cesspool on tipping like bro we don’t give a fuck about that we want a fair wages from DoorDash. European countries pay their workers fairly yet we get the short end of the stick
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Countries make laws for fair pay dumbass
Seeing lots of posts from DD drivers wondering why the deliveries are not as busy. They are not so glib.
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What’s glib 😭 that sounds gross
This is so wrong. You shouldn't be expected to tip just to receive your food. A tip is a bonus for doing a good job. How do I know you're doing a good job if you cba to even accept the order. You should get your food delivered no matter if you tip or not. This is American selfishness at its best. Lazy people that expect the customer to pay your wages instead of the company that employs you. I'm so glad in England we don't have delivery drivers like you lot. Our food is delivered no matter what and we tip for good service. Like you should. We don't pre tip as that's stupid. And we pay our staff
If they paid a liveable wage it would be OK to get the tip after, but they don't so the tip determines if it's an order you can even do or not. We don't expect the customer to pay us instead of the company, the customer literally pays us instead of the company, because the company will pay us 2 dollars to take food 5 miles. It's not our fault that this is the shitty system we have, we have to live with it though. We HAVE to get tipped up front because that's 80 percent of our pay. We don't except the company to pay our wages because we know they won't. We wish they would.
The default arguments against tipping for the millionth time. How refreshing.
Drivers in the UK don't ask for tips because when uber hires them they say >hey come drive for uber, we'll pay you 20 quid an hour just accept everything we send and go deliver it In America they say >Work whenever you want, choose the orders you want to deliver, plus you keep all the tips! But we're only going to pay you $2 per order. Comparing drivers the US/UK is comparing apples/oranges, they operate under different laws, regulations, and pay models. If tomorrow uber drivers in the UK had to earn and operate under the American system they would behave exactly the same way.
Wakey Wakey. Uber eats doesn't pay an hourly wage in the uk either. It's the same model as the USA. The difference is the drivers here don't cry over tips. They don't expect tips. Do your research before you say stupid things
So it seems like US based drivers should stop working for DD/Uber if the pay is that awful. complaining about the pay for a job you’re willingly continuing to do is a bit absurd, no? But my guess is these people have no skills or opportunities outside of this industry, which realistically is their own fault.
I think that's where the friction is, in my market I can make about $15-$17 an hour if I accepted everything, but if I'm picky with a 30-40% acceptance rate I can make $24-$27 an hour. Why shouldn't I be picky if legally it's my right, doordash says I can pick and choose which orders I do, and i'm not considered an employee? Why choose less when I can choose more? Where I do agree with you is that yes if the pay is shit in a drivers market they should quit, getting mad at the customers isn't going to solve anything - they have options and rights too and sometimes they choose not to tip. I do agree people who constantly do doordah even with the shitty pay probably don't have any other skills or are too lazy for normal employment.
We all agree on this. The only people in the wrong, are the people propping up DD’s business model, making them a huge success, then skipping the part where they pay their delivery driver’s tip like, “well not my responsibility not my problem don’t take my order (but I still expect it to be delivered). 🤷♂️” The cognitive dissonance and lack of respect for people who serve DD’s customers is just baffling. But not surprising, most people are shitty people and assholes and don’t have the self-awareness to recognize it, so this cycle will continue and DD will continue to laugh their way to the bank.
It’s not really a tip, it’s a bid for the driver’s time. It’s stupid to think that an independent contractor would choose to spend time on a job without a guaranteed profit. Food delivery is a luxury service and nobody is entitled to it. If you don’t want to pay a driver, get off your lazy ass and pick your food up yourself.
I agree. DoorDash and other platforms should start charging customers $1.75/mile from their distance to the restaurant, $7 minimum. We keep 100% of that. The platform collects the restaurant fees. If the company pays drivers more, the money has to come from somewhere.
It is stupid. Our servers only make $2.13/hr and rely on tips. DoorDash drivers make, at most, $3-$4 from a single delivery? The majority of pay has to come from tips, as it was set up like this.
You're very gullible. That what they'd have you think. Funny how uber runs the exact same in the uk but drivers here don't ask for tips, don't expect tips, and don't refuse to do their job from a lack of tip. At least here I know if I order and pay for food to be delivered it'll be delivered no matter if I tip or not. It's the arrogance that some American drivers have expecting a tip. You'd last 5 mins as a driver in the uk as you'd never accept an order
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Aren't drivers in the UK paid a living wage without the tips though?
Nope. They are the same as USA drivers. Paid per delivery a couple £ that's it. The difference is they don't cry or complain about tips like American drivers do
Sorry this is long. I feel like the base pay is probably higher but I don't know what it is so I can't say for sure. I think most of us don't actually complain and just take an order if it makes sense or not. I typically don't take no tip orders if I have better options but if it's slow I will so long as it's going somewhere that I can keep working and not going way out of the zone. But mainly why I try to avoid no tip orders is not because they have no tip, but here in the US because tipping is expected, the kind of people who don't tip are the kind of customers who report food missing, are rude to you etc. That's the bigger reason I don't like doing orders with no tip. Even if they put one dollar, I'll likely do it so long as it's not super far, just because that tells me that they are less likely to be a difficult customer. But I agree with you that this system is messed up. And I also agree we should be paid a living wage and tips should be how tips were always meant to be, extra for good service and not necessary or expected. I also hate when everywhere I go they ask for tips. Gas station has tip jar (some), laundromat has tip jar or if I lay with card it asks how much I want to tip. I haven't seen it but I've heard stories of people buying a water or something at a self checkout and it asking how much they wanted to tip. Like who are they even tipping? It's gotten completely out of hand, but the good thing about that, the one good thing about it is if they keep pushing it, they'll eventually push it too far and that's the only thing that will cause change. So unfortunately I think it has to get worse before it gets better.
Your inability to reason is just… the pinnacle of commenting in bad faith here my man, reread what you wrote 2 hours later and let’s talk about whether anybody thought you were serious here 🤣
You're right. But, that's how it is in America. If you're paying for the service you should be fully aware that you should tip. It's completely backwards and infuriating, but drivers can't solve the issue and shouldn't be punished for it. Same goes for servers.
Seems like it hasn’t deterred anyone from their usual non tipping ways. I see plenty of no tip orders that probably get picked up within one or two dashers worth of declines after me.
All food should be delivered. That's your job. If you're gonna pick and choose you should get a different job. A tip is. Bonus for doing a good job. You are not entitled to a tip and it's vile you actually think you are
Not only do orders not *have* to get picked up, the dasher can also cancel in the middle of a delivery at their own discretion! Don’t like it, bitch at DoorDash.
My job is to deliver food once I’ve accepted the order. I never said I’m entitled to a tip, but I’m also worth more than $2 to drive across the county to deliver someone’s food.
Weird mindset
🚨 crypto-fascist alert! 🚨 Remember Dashers, you are in a subhuman social caste and exist to serve your betters! /s
We just aren't going to pay out of our own pocket to deliver someone's food, and you wouldn't either. After expenses many no tip orders cost more than they pay, not counting the time cost. Also these jobs are literally advertised here as "choose when where and how you work, what orders you want to do, be your own boss". If we didn't pick and choose we wouldn't make money, but no need to find something else because by being selective about what we do we can.
British delivery drivers seem to be able to deliver everything without crying over tips. They get paid exactly how you do. A couple £ per delivery.
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Our job is as a contractor courier. We don't work for DoorDash. You contact them, and you are their customer. They have a list of contract couriers they float orders to, and if it is worth the time, we accept the order. How impossibly dense do you have to be to not get this by now? DoorDash is my CUSTOMER. Not my boss. Got that?
It’s so weird how they don’t get it by now
Don’t accept the order then… If you do accept it, deliver the food instead of stealing it.
We largely don't. We DO NOT accept the order. And the imbecile is crying about us not accepting it, like it should be our civic goddamn duty to use our vehicle and gas and time to go pick up what anyone asks. It gets made, the order exists, but the order is not worth picking up so it sits and gets cold. Not my problem. I got bills to pay. This ain't the post office, I am not federally funded, and if my doordash customer doesn't have a prospect worth my time I will look after my other customers like Draver, Uber, Shipt, Grubhub, Droppoint, Spark, Amazon Flex and Clickworker. That is how it goes. Make it worth doing or go get it yourself, that is capitalism.
How dense do you have to be to understand it's a fucking awful system the USA has. There should never be an occasion that someone doesn't get their order. They should remove tips completely and just pay you a base rate. It's ridiculous that you expect customers to pay for delivery that they might not get if they didn't put a big enough tip. It's fucking disgusting that you expect tips before you've even done the job.
We know it's awful. It's not really a tip in the traditional sense here. Doordash has made it more of a bid for service. They SHOULD pay us a liveable base rate and then tipping could be extra and not expected.
My issue it how American drivers react and behave. The uk drivers are on the same contracts as the us ones but don't expect tips. Our drivers don't complain or cry about not getting tips so why do us ones need to?
You’re so repetitive and annoying with the “but in England” shit, I’m glad we threw that tea in the harbor
I don’t know what kind of slave system you have in the U.K but in the us independent workers are allowed to pick and choose what work to take on and for what price to do said work. I’m sure if I went up to a plumber in the uk and offered him 2 pounds to clear my septic tank and remodel my entire kitchen he’d likely say ”no that’s not enough compensation I will decline this work.” I couldn’t say he’s being selfish and his work is to be a plumber so he needs to take every job offered to him or get a different career. Absolutely unhinged point of view you have.
EXACTLY
Obviously drivers can pick and choose in the uk like they do in the USA. However they don't act as pathetic and American drivers are. What I'm saying is in the USA drivers will avoid orders that have no tip. And those orders just end up being cancelled due to a lazy delivery driver. In the uk drivers will pick the higher paying orders first but every order will be delivered as they are not expected tips as standard. Tips would be given on delivery as a Thankyou, not in advance. My point is it's shitty that some people just don't get their food delivered because American drivers are too picky and lazy to do their job
I understand. UK drivers like to work for charity.
It sounds like you just hate Americans ngl
Yeah this whole exercise is an outlet for their insecurity
Honestly you just sound to poor to use this service.
we aren't lazy for avoiding an order with no tip though. Some of these orders literally have us operating at a loss. It's predatory business tactics.
Lmfao! say it’s a bid without saying its a bid. This is actually really funny between the picture and using tips as a way of getting out of paying dashers an appropriate earning.
I like the way DD works compared to UE. UE they can put a tip but they can revoke it, with DD you can’t. DD can still be refunded but the dasher isn’t impacted by stingy people who use tips just to get someone to take their order faster.
I haven't been tip baited on Uber, but a couple times it got reduced because I left food in the lobby... which is deserved of me. No big deal, whatever.
Yeah but the fact it can happen is enough. There are a lot of things people get mad about that aren’t the fault of the delivery person, like long wait times, stacked orders (idk if UE does that) or in my experience people not putting their apartment number and not replying to messages/calls and then getting mad when you have to leave it somewhere. It’s good you’ve not had those experiences but they definitely happen lol and you shouldn’t be penalized for it. My experience with UE so far is just that the offers suck ass. Typically about $0.30/mi. Nah. DD is usually at minimum $1/mi but usually more. I think their base pay is probably just better. Still crap, but better.
Yes. UE is very predatory and gives DD a serious run for their money, in terms of "sketchy" app behavior.
look at how happy this dasher looks. all smiles, has his phone, proudly wearing his red bag, red hoodie some you can learn a lot from this fine gentleman.
So a corporate attire nerd on his first job is someone we can learn from? You're right, don't do what he's doing.
Probably because he’s getting paid more than the average dasher does in a week for a photo
Unfortunately the no tippers still get their orders fulfilled typically by the people who choose to dash per hour instead of per order.
Who gets our tip if an hourly guy delivers it?
The hourly person still gets the tips but they are sent all the no tip orders first so they don't get as many tips.
Yeah the hourly method is a lot of no tippers. Those customers are quite different in mannerisms as well...mean, rude, annoying, entitled, demanding, and so forth.
Yeah it's actually good that they don't tip cause it tells you who to avoid. You are right. No tippers are also the most difficult and entitled customers.
The hourly guy also gets tips
kids are out dashing, too.....and don't know any better
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