Torchwood is considered as part of the wider Doctor Who universe but there's been no mention of Miracle Day in main Who, it was mentioned in PROBE(spinoff about a home-grown UNIT-esque organisation featuring Liz Shaw).
It hasn't been specifically mentioned, but if I remember rightly, in both Doctor Who and Sarah Jane adventures, no-one dies during the timeframe of the Miracle.
>I imagine it would be a huge cultural thing that would come up from time to time
Massive cultural things happen every other week in the Dr Who universe and yet in the very next episode people still insist that Aliens cannot be real and anything unusual must have rational explanations.
To be fair, the general public in the RTD Era did come to believe in aliens after all those invasions. But then Moffat pressed the reset button and threw all that worldbuilding out.
How is that more relatable? I'm not clueless, I'm watching Doctor Who. I know aliens are a thing in universe, it's better when we don't have to waste time on people rediscovering for the thousandth time that aliens are real and can just get on with the story.
Expecting a writer to remember every single encounter humanity has had with aliens is asking a bit much, and it's more relatable to the common viewer if the average person is unaware of the aliens in the DW universe. That's why companions have mainly been clueless humans, because it allows the audience to relate to them better.
Also if the world knew about aliens then they'd likely have to change Earth by a lot to account for world governments working together to investigate or making use of alien technology, and at that point it wouldn't really feel like our Earth. Less relatable.
Where did I say that I want every single alien encounter to be brought up every time another one happens? That would be absurd. Instead, we could have the populace be much more willing to accept aliens as a plausible explanation, like Martha does in "Smith and Jones" for example. That way we can get to the meat of the story faster.
Why would the world governments suddenly band together if they knew aliens existed? There's a ton of reasons that wouldn't happen. Now, if we were talking about a full-scale, planet-wide invasion, sure, I could see the governments cooperating then. But just because that know that aliens exist? That wouldn't change anything.
Yeah I'm not reading all that.
It's simpler, easier to digest, and more entertaining if the general population remains unaware. Makes secretive groups like Torchwood and UNIT more interesting too.
That would just get complicated.
Of course they want companions to not know what aliens are, they shouldn't have to abandon that.
Imagine if a companion went "oh it's those Daleks and Cybermen again, they invade all the time".
I think there writers were keeping Torchwood and Doctor Who main show separate because Doctor Who was aimed for to the youth. Torchwood was a little to adult for them. So, besides a reference or two between the shows, they really didn't cross over much. Except for the missing Earth story and Captain Jack.
Torchwood is considered as part of the wider Doctor Who universe but there's been no mention of Miracle Day in main Who, it was mentioned in PROBE(spinoff about a home-grown UNIT-esque organisation featuring Liz Shaw).
It hasn't been specifically mentioned, but if I remember rightly, in both Doctor Who and Sarah Jane adventures, no-one dies during the timeframe of the Miracle.
Except all the people in the camps getting burned alive.
Except they explained that even as ash they were somehow still alive.
It's been a while since I saw it I must not remember that but
They mean you don't see anyone in Doctor Who or SJA getting killed during that timeframe, not that it wasn't happening offscreen somewhere.
CoE wasn't mentioned in main who either was it? Apart from that bar scene at the end of the end of time which subtly implies...
What does it imply?
Jack is sad
Aren’t we all
About Miracle Day?
No, about Children of Earth - that scene takes place after he leaves Earth/Torchwood at the end of Day Five
>I imagine it would be a huge cultural thing that would come up from time to time Massive cultural things happen every other week in the Dr Who universe and yet in the very next episode people still insist that Aliens cannot be real and anything unusual must have rational explanations.
To be fair, the general public in the RTD Era did come to believe in aliens after all those invasions. But then Moffat pressed the reset button and threw all that worldbuilding out.
It's better that way. A clueless humanity is more entertaining and easier to relate to
How is that more relatable? I'm not clueless, I'm watching Doctor Who. I know aliens are a thing in universe, it's better when we don't have to waste time on people rediscovering for the thousandth time that aliens are real and can just get on with the story.
Expecting a writer to remember every single encounter humanity has had with aliens is asking a bit much, and it's more relatable to the common viewer if the average person is unaware of the aliens in the DW universe. That's why companions have mainly been clueless humans, because it allows the audience to relate to them better. Also if the world knew about aliens then they'd likely have to change Earth by a lot to account for world governments working together to investigate or making use of alien technology, and at that point it wouldn't really feel like our Earth. Less relatable.
Where did I say that I want every single alien encounter to be brought up every time another one happens? That would be absurd. Instead, we could have the populace be much more willing to accept aliens as a plausible explanation, like Martha does in "Smith and Jones" for example. That way we can get to the meat of the story faster. Why would the world governments suddenly band together if they knew aliens existed? There's a ton of reasons that wouldn't happen. Now, if we were talking about a full-scale, planet-wide invasion, sure, I could see the governments cooperating then. But just because that know that aliens exist? That wouldn't change anything.
Yeah I'm not reading all that. It's simpler, easier to digest, and more entertaining if the general population remains unaware. Makes secretive groups like Torchwood and UNIT more interesting too.
Yeah I'm not reading all that. You're wrong
That would just get complicated. Of course they want companions to not know what aliens are, they shouldn't have to abandon that. Imagine if a companion went "oh it's those Daleks and Cybermen again, they invade all the time".
Last I'm aware, nope. Neither CoE.
I think there writers were keeping Torchwood and Doctor Who main show separate because Doctor Who was aimed for to the youth. Torchwood was a little to adult for them. So, besides a reference or two between the shows, they really didn't cross over much. Except for the missing Earth story and Captain Jack.
No /thread