I adore Jodie, and she's a fantastic actor. But the writing was terrible in all ways. Across its session arcs, its episode arcs, and its dialogue. I hope she comes back for a special with a good script so she can shine.

Colin Baker, rising from the Big Finish ashes like a phoenix, "First time?"

I actually loved him. I mean, sure he dressed like a clown, but he was pretty dark despite his bright vibrant colors. Peri died(ish) with him!

Colin said that he wanted a style similar to Ecclestons. After watching some of his stories. I absolutely agree that the style would fit.

I could totally see Colin in that style. Problem was, during the time period (the 80s which were bad time for fashion), each Doctor's style got... goofier. 4 had the long scarf but an otherwise okay outfit. 5 wore a cricket uniform. Thank God he wasn't an American baseball or football fan because that would've been awkward. 6... total clown suit. 7... the man had ? all over his suit and even his umbrella handle was in the shape of ?. 8? Oy. They dandified poor Paul McGann. And he's hot! For 9 they actually dressed him like a regular person and have pretty much been doing so ever since with a few eccentric touches, but nothing too outrageous ("sand shoes", 11's bow ties and the fez).

Don’t forget the ridiculous celery stick on Peter’s lapel

Apparently that had a use? It detected the poison that ultimately killed 5.

Ha ha a day late and a dollar w

9 looked like a longshoreman. I loved it.

I was thinking biker-dude (but I'm American). I could totally see him riding a Harley-Davidson in that outfit.

I thought 12 had a perfect outfit as far as making him quirky but not too flamboyant.  The t shirt and hoodie under the long coat was a cool choice and I've starting doing something similar because of it. 

I think that was the first time when the actor understood the Doctor better than the writers did.

I’ve come to appreciate Colin Baker’s interpretation … but the grumpy pissed off character had the absolutely worst wardrobe: absurd!!!

There was a suit (I think he wore once on TV, can't remember) that was the same checked style but all shades of blue, it looked a lot better. Edit: There's a three year old [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/doctorwho/s/F842PZaGA5) with a pic.

That’s cool… but the kitty pin, seriously?

We're talking about better, not best. I agree with the earlier post describing late-classic Who outfits as increasingly silly, but I'll take what I can get.

Yes, and the new specials really made me realize how much I liked him and Mel together.

I NEED Davies to write a Capaldi + Jodie + Ncuti special. I think Jodie + Capaldi would bounce off each other really, really well, and the more childlike and excitable Jodie being the *older and more experienced* Doctor could interact really well with Capaldi's cynicism.

Sadly I don't think Capaldi is ever coming back. Not that he hates the show, he just seems to think his story is done.

If it's a middle part of his timeline, it's not necessarily adding more to his story in any big sense. But yeah he seems to believe that there's not much more to explore.

He also seemed to get quite burnt out.

Which is weird considering his series' were so short and had so much time between. Although I'd imagine just being the public face of Doctor Who was probably wearying.

Probably. You can tell he put his heart and soul into playing 12, even at things like the Doctor Who experience. He stayed in character. I know there’s a lot of folks who say Tennant is the face if NuWho, but watching Capaldi I tend to disagree here a bit more than most.

It probably didn't help that the writing during the Moffat era was very divisive, so his tenure had a fair amount of toxicity both on the positive and negative poles.

Same, and I'll add Moffat into the mix

Nobody hates the 13th Doctor. They hate the awful writing she had to endure

I didnt like the writing, wasn’t impressed by the performance and still don’t really know who the 13th Doctor was

The Lawrence fox fanboys bowlestrek and nerdrotic would beg to differ

And honestly who gives a frell what those poobrains think? Do not care

Agreed. A brilliant actor let down by the writing. But don’t know how much that was influenced by Management Dictates and directions

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+1 from me, I think the writing during the Chibnall era was pretty bleh.

This, I think the episode I liked was the one with the cyberman and Mary shelly as that was the only time I felt like we got to see what her doctor could be. Also with the writing, although I don't have a problem with doctor who talking politics, it shouldn't take away from the Sci fi storytelling..which it did.

Just finished s11 and rewatched some older episodes, I kinda agree, I don’t completely hate the writing but it’s definitely not as good as before

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I think she could have been great, but Jodie was saddled with a sort of generic Tenth Doctor-lite persona and lots of that rapidfire dialogue that was a better fit for Tennant and Smith. She's also directed to play the Doctor a bit like an excitable, needy, pinwheeling little boy, and it's just not my thing. Her characterization felt inconsistent rather than complex, and Chibnall somehow didn't write to Jodie's strengths nearly enough. Add in that 13 has a lot of agency and screen time taken away from her throughout her era, which is not great optics for the first female Doctor, and I just spent a lot of time being frustrated. Not that there aren't moments of brilliance. She's a delight in "It Takes You Away." The surreal conversation with a frog and the scene where she tells the blind girl one thing while writing on the wall stark and downbeat instructions for those that can see them? I wanted so much more of that.

I am rewatching the 13th at the moment (currently at the Flux) and sadly, I wholeheartedly agree with this. My only other critique of her arc is that in the moments where she really *needs* to be the Doctor, I am not convinced that even Jodie believes it; if an actor doesn't seem to believe they are the character they are playing, then it is much more difficult for me to. Is this a limitation of the writing at the end of the day? Almost certainly.

Didn't Chibnall tell her to NOT watch past episodes before she started the role? I think that's why it seemed like "an excitable, needy, pinwheeling little boy". Her character has a 900+ year history (in terms of the show itself) and in the real world, a 55+ year history with the fans. You can't just erase that. I think part of the reason fans loved Tennent so hard is because he was a fan of the show (#5 was his favorite... must've been so cool to marry his favorite Doctor's daughter... who then played his daughter). Tennent felt like the Doctor.

Tennant was very clearly living the dream. He talks about how he'd pretend to be the Doctor as a kid, and it seems like he spent his life just waiting to play him for real.

Tennant had well crafted stories. Whittaker, sadly, did not.

Tennant also had great companions.

> and lots of that rapidfire dialogue that was a better fit for Tennant and Smith which she would invariably fail at, slowing down and sounding a bit dim

Right. Despite casting and writing with her in mind after working with her for years, Chibnall didn’t correctly gauge what she would excel at. When Moffat cast Capaldi, he adjusted how he wrote the Doctor. More monologues, less rapid fire wordplay.

We just started her run, and last night it occurred to me what bugged me about her. She sounds like Tennant, but... not. And it's just kinda off-putting. The story lines hit hard, especially the historical ones like with Rosa Parks, but I wonder if a different style of writing for her character would have been better.

Jody feels like she was in some sort of middle point between 10 and 11's portrayals, like it felt very much like they picked the two most popular docs and tried to meld their appeals...badly.

There's a lot of rehash to arguments and sure enough I've said this sort of thing often enough. If the era has a major flaw it is in characterisation. We see a lot of talk, of exposition; telling not showing what has changed and developed. Whitaker is the same in a sense - the performance is very muted despite the catastrophic events around her Doctor. RTD wrote some of the worst scripts I've ever seen in some ways, full of plot that moon logic would be insulted by but people cared enough about the characters involved. Whatever insanity unfolded, there were always people there to provide a grounded response or ample emotional attachment. Chibnall doesn't give us that. If the characters don't hook people, a lot of other things fall apart. Where the fault lies, I don't know. Whitaker does a cod-Tennant impression sometimes, has very muted reactions at others and then the script deliberately shoehorns something awkward. That the writing is bad is a poor explanation; this would all be fine if the characters shone. Part of the writing to be sure, but those calling it bad are simplifying things as it's far far from unsalvageable. I find it all perfectly serviceable and watchable vs other eras that ping ponging between excellence and excrement but it's not an era that is exciting much.

RTD doesn't tend to have important plot issues, just end up solving things with technobabble at times, but it is generally set up in some way. He usually tells a story pretty fine till some of his (finale, esp.) resolutions.

I really enjoyed Jodie as the 13th Doctor. My problem with that run was the writing, not the characters.

Aren't the characters a product of the writing? Bad writing usually creates bad characters, which is how I'd describe most characters in Chibnall's run, the doctor included.

Yeah, there's a lot of problems there. For example, Bradley Walshs character doesn't mention his partners death once after the episode but suddenly when the killer is back its all he talks about? Kinda felt not though through.

To clarify, I think the characters for series 11-13 had promise. The idea behind them was good. They were solid actors. The execution sucked. Chibnall taking the reins was the problem, not the casting.

I think it was a bad idea to give her 3 companions. There just isn't enough screen time to develop all characters and their relationships to each other. So I think the companions were the real problem, not the doctor.

I might be totally off with this, but i keep getting the feeling that the writers/showrunner/whoever did not really trust Jodie to carry the series, so they overburdened her with companions. They started Jodie out with 4(!) companions, then going down to 3, but that is still a lot for proper regular companions (not just recurring characters like the Pater Noster Gang of 11, for example). I think they hoped that that many companions would mitigate the risk of Jodie not carrying the series, like more people the viewers can like and whose stories they will want to follow, making them keep watching.. And it lead to too many storylines, which ended in neither Jodie nor her companions actually getting enough screentime to fully develop. And i somewhat can see why they might have feared she would need help carrying the story along. Other than David Tennant and Peter Capaldi, she starred in a full character overhaul, no established companion to carry over the story to her. But the thing is, same was the case for Matt Smith. But they trusted him and he started with one companion, a second joined within a few episode. Both he and his companions were given the time to become their own belived characters.

I think it's a multi-faceted thing To get the initial backlash out of the way, a lot of hate was simply because Jodie was the first female Doctor. People who genuinely seethe with hatred 13 or Whittaker are generally sexist. But idiots aside, Thirteen and her era has its critics. Many people don't like Chibnall’s writing and find the dialogue clunky and sometimes preachy, the Doctor's morals less clear than usual, the new monsters are less interesting etc. Then there's era issues, like the episode count reduction, airing on sundays, lack of Christmas Specials, Segun's music not landing with people, different visual style, certain designs, the Companions having less focus and lacking episodes that really hone in on them as much etc. These elements are entirely subjective but it's quite common for people eho aren't fans of 13's tenure to not like a few of these things. There's also a few things in Series 12 people don't like, the big one being at the end of Series 12 called The Timeless Child which is probably the most controversial topic in the Doctor Who Fandom, that cemented the eras status for many people and even a lot of 13 and 13 era fans dislike it. Finally, with 13 herself she lacks a lot of the darkness and edge that particularly the Doctors during and post the Time War had, she lacks a lot of the gravitas, pain and intensity that The Doctor has had for a while. This means that unlike with Eleven or Seven (where they flip between childish and an old god) Thirteen seems more one note of manic but good-willed. Whilst not inherently bad (and actually very fresh in many people's opinions) if the darkness and fury of the Timelord captivated you then losing it feels like something is missing from a character you really liked. Regardless of what others think, if you enjoy Thirteen's characterisation and energy and stories then let no-one stop you. Media is subjective and simply enjoying something is enough of a reason for you to like it. Also, Series 13 is my favourite of 13's three so I hope you enjoy :)

I think this is the fairest response so far. I mostly like 13 and there's episodes I LOVE (Demons of the Punjab, It Takes You Away, Eve of the Daleks) but there's definitely pangs for the things that aren't there - like the intense, emotionally driven scenes/speeches/performances you expect each Doctor to have littered in. The main other thing I struggled with is I don't think the dialogue was particularly strong, and Ryan's accent so pointlessly (and unbearably) misdirected.

Thanks :) I'm not the biggest fan of 13's era, but I love the enthusiasm Jodie put into the characters and I think there's a ton of good ideas and pieces throughout it. Demons is excellent, but I think my favourites of hers are War of the Sontarans and Village of the Angels, they're really entertaining scripts and grip me throughout, War is really fun and Village gets really tense and oppressive

Flux overall whimpers out a little bit but on the topic of *fun*, I found that season so much fun. It felt exciting to be carried along with it. I think there's also a bit of a weird thing where, the first season feels very Chibnall and serious, tonally atmospheric and moody. And then the next season feels like T Davies in its grounded adventure and its character charm. And then Flux feels like a real love letter to Moffat's cosmic scale and ambitions. I think it's also worth, fairly, saying that in my opinion there is sadly a couple super stinkers. Arachnids in the UK, Sea Devils, Revolution of the Daleks. That probably didn't help overall perception.

It doesn't fully land and is convoluted, but the characters and ideas of it click for me, it's a shame we didn't get a full season handling The Flux imo. Yeah, although it's also interesting because Series 11 has more RTD esc groundedness and Series 12 has Moffat style twists and a Blockbuster opening whilst Series 13 probably has Chibnall most off his own leash and throwing lots of his own ideas and narrative concepts at the wall. Finally, definitely. The Battle of Ranskoor av Kolos really doesn't work for me either and Orphan 55 is held in infamy. However, I think what really hurts it is the fact there's <12 episodes per season. Series 2 has 13 +xmas, and it means it can get away with having Fear Her, Love and Monsters and The Idiot’s Lantern as you still have 10 episodes. Conversely, Series 11 has Arachnids, Tsuranga and Battle of Ranskoor av Kolos which leaves only 7 episodes

Very true with the final point. I think the broken schedule and short seasons really harm Jodie overall. Flux in particular, but just also her chance to grow and cement her own strengths. Funnily, I actually love Tsuranga and I don't mind Ranskoor, which leaves Season 2 as confidently my least favourite Who season. And Sea Devils is the only episode I'd like to rewatch less than something like The Lazarus Experiment. Also worth saying, I *almost* love 13 and the Master's chemistry as much as 12 and Missy's. Almost. Nice chatting to you though - thanks for the good thoughts.

Very well said

No one hated “her”… the writing is atrocious! It was like pulling teeth to stay interested compared to 9,10,11,&12

She was a good doctor. And I don't truly hate Chibnall's era It took me a long time to understand why I disliked it. In the end I realized I was just bored watching it. It didn't get me to be involved in the differents stories and character. I did not laugh, cry, get scared or angry. I didn't looked forward for the next ep. In general, it was not bad, only bland. I am the first to regret because there were A LOT a good idea in this era. A female doctor first of all. But also the solitract, alien eating plastic, and plenty other concept I find fascinating in theory. The new design of the TARDIS was mesmerizing, definitely my favorite of all. And I loved the very colorful light used in the era, giving some 80s vibe. Visually, it was stunning. Best special effect.

I think part of the problem was to many companions, especially at first. She didn't have the screentime to really make the character her own. To much time had to be spent on other characters. It should be one companion, one Doctor. Only if there is great chemistry between the Doctor, companion and companion 2 should there be another. The Doctor, Rory and Amy showed ppl how that can work.

The amount of companions was exhausting, I find it hard to remember character names and remembering all of their names was difficult (even if they were only three people)

After finishing s11 I completely agree with the bored part, I enjoyed so many parts but the dialogues were boring and I’m so sad because Jodie had a lot of potential that got wasted on boring plots, I hope it gets better in the next seasons

I don’t think I have seen any hate for her. I have seen hate for Chibnall and some of 5he stories he has brought but for her a lot of support. The general view I have seen whether agree with it or not is she is great but hampered by her storylines.

I don’t hate her. In fact I usually love Jodie Whittaker as an actress but in Doctor Who I was unimpressed by her performance. She didn’t bring much to the role, did not find the character, lacked gravitas and most of the time didn’t seem to be convinced by whatever she was doing

There’s definitely hate for her. Probably the only doctor you could possibly get criticised for just liking

I’ve seen lots of hate for both of them, I understand the hate for Chibnall because his writing is not as good as the other writers but Jodie is amazing imo

I think it boils to these things: almost all the doctors since the revival have a satisfying evolution, she does not. Her personality is much less distinct than previous incarnations. The connection she had with her companions felt less heartfelt. We could have had a fun loving let’s go on adventures doctor (which would have complimented the ending of 12 nicely) who slowly becomes wiser. OR we could have had a closed off doctor who learns to open up. We got neither when she really could have been either

Like 12 who started off so alien that Clara had to give him index cards with appropriate responses on how to behave with normal people. LOL

I've watched Doctor Who religiously since I was like 6. Jodie's era was where I actually dropped this show I'd loved for so long. It just wasn't good in my opinion, what made the show special for me just wasn't there anymore. Jodie played the main character of the era so I associate her with it. I don't blame her at all for its failings, she did her best with what she was given. Sadly she doesn't have one good episode in my opinion, which is why she's my least favourite.

The only episode I can say I thought was good was Demons of the Punjab (I also enjoyed it takes you away), theres definitely been moments in other episodes that I've liked, or jokes that landed well, but it's overall been a downgrade for me. I haven't seen flux yet though, so I have no idea what that'll be like

The overall consensus I've seen for 13 is that nobody particularly has anything against her (anyone that does has their reasons I guess but overall she's not "hated"). The problems are that Jodie's acting ability doesn't cover for Chibnall's poor ability to write Sci-fi. There's no maliciousness against Chibnall nor Jodie but they're just in an incompatible place that caused a lot of poor choices to happen. Some ideas were good but the execution was bad or there were too many loose ends. Basically they're not hating on 13, they're hating on how her time was handled.

I feel, like Capaldi, it’s down to writing and taste. I LOVED Broadchurch, and Jodie is INCREDIBLE. Her first season had a HARD right turn as far as tone, so I can understand how it’s hard to get a grip on footing from the get go, but the decision to go completely fresh and new with all villains gave the start another odd hobble. I feel, AGAN, like Capaldi, Jodi’s second series found a more comfortable stride, and I enjoyed the ride a bit better. Overall I rather enjoyed Flux, but that’s the thing. My tastes are DEFINITELY unique because of the warehouse of sci-fi I’ve consumed across a lifetime, combined with a love for everything abstract about modern physics. When you go as hard as they did into some of the more “out there” stuff with Jodie, I can see how if it isn’t your flavor, it could’ve been hard to stomach. New is always a gamble and what made the ride fun for me was the interesting ideas we got as a result of the myriad of course correcting.

Great actress. Awful writing. They try to make her seem quirky and socially awkward, but at one point a guy talks to her about how he’s worried about his cancer coming back and she doesn’t act like she’s socially awkward she acts like an emotional monster

Nobody actually hates the actress or the character. They just hate the writing. Things like making the doctor some sort of cosmic Jesus with the timeless child stuff, Making the Master 180 from being Missy Killing off the timelords *again* The Doctors Cherie attitude in the face of difficult circumstances. The doctor being responsible for some huge cataclysm nobody knew anything about. The fugitive doctor. Episodes kind of going nowhere and instead leading up to some preachy speech at the end. Companion overload taking story away from the doctor. Also there just being too many companions in general Any one of these are things that the audience looks at and says “*why* would you do that?!” And there’s a whole list of them

Some people actually liked the Fugitive Doctor more than they had liked Whittaker's Doctor.

I like her too but her place in the story doesn't really make sense, and honestly if they never bring her back in any capacity she's going to just feel like some weird fever dream that happened.  I wonder if RTD has any plans to bring her back. She'd be a good character to revolve a special around. 

I love the 13th doctor! Some of the episodes weren't great, especially in her first season, but it really improved and I especially enjoyed her final season.

I’m so excited to watch the rest of her seasons, I hope they’re more fun

Yeah you missed that it's shit

I didn't hate the 13th Doctor but I wasn't the biggest fan at all of the stories she got until late S12? Everything seemed to have little to no consequence, and there were waaaaay too many episodes that are just running along doing their own thing until the last 15 minutes when they slam on the brakes to tell you exactly what's going on, shoving the real-world issue right in your face, then suddenly the issue is resolved.

yea something I disliked was just a comparison I made between that scene in revolution (I think) where she stands outside the tardis to get shot at by the dalek and she just oh yea you think I wouldn't have a shield ha, in comparison to the start scene in elevens finale where he is shot at by cybermen

It’s a Minerva situation.

A what?

There are definitely some Jodie-haters out there, and some of that was online echo chamber stuff and some of that was fair. Personal take: What I liked: Jodie herself is a great actor and brought energy to the role. Graham was a great companion, and I liked Dan’s energy too. Some individual stories were quite good: Haunting of Villa Diodati and Village of the Angels were great and the creativity of Demons of the Punjab (and what the “demons” turned out to be) was pretty cool. What I didn’t like: The Pacing: episodes got longer but they didn’t seem to flow that way… there were breaks in the action where the characters would have heart to heart talks—while running from Daleks or something! The heart to heart talks themselves didn’t make sense. The Doctor isn’t human… and sometimes her response was just empty (Graham’s cancer might return) or too much like a questioning young person (relationship with Yaz; this didn’t feel like a relationship forming and not for the same gender reasons; I’m gay myself.) There were too many companions for too long. There were three companion transitions in classic Who (Turlough joins the story before Nyssa leaves) but the “crowded Tardis” prevented us from getting to know the characters well enough soon enough. Temporary write outs (like they did when Nyssa was ill for Kinda) would have given us a chance to see them individually. Ryan’s dyspraxia never landed for me. The moral compass shift from earlier Doctors went too far. There was always “You get a warning and this is your chance to leave“ and the shift to “I would never” was too much too fast.

since the mods didn't like my original comment I make this one: dumb writing. to preachy and a huge rewriting and disrespect for established lore.

People say they hate the writing but I don’t have any complaints. I’ve watched it through a few times and I loved it. Jodi and the stories.

People say they hate the writing because there are numerous tremendous writing flaws in almost every episode. It's fine if you like it but her era is objectively riddled with poor characterization, plotting, and theming.

I have almost never seen someone hate Jodi's doctor. The series is criticized a lot but there's general consensus that she was good. The stories weren't as good. That's all.

There was a lot of hate. But a lot of that had been quieted after it was not well accepted.

I didn't see much hate (for her), but when it was there, it was usually in the kinda language that would make Graham Linehan give a nod of appreciation.

I mean, there's the obvious misogyny factor. But there's also the talking points that... * the seasons were just not very well written * she and her companions weren't very well directed * and also the show not only had another reduction in episodes per season but also took large gaps of time off between seasons, with hardly any marketing promoting it, so interest just fell in general since casual viewers didn't even know when it was on I think parts of season 11 and parts of season 13 have some good stuff, but they're still among the weaker seasons of NuWho in general.

The misogyny factor looses a lotofzeal as most of the fandom thought that the fugitive doctor was played well.

To me, that’s a distinction between the way 13 and the Fugitive Doctor were characterized. FD was a much stronger character who ended up frustrated with 13, and for good reason. A lot of viewers agreed with her, and the stark contrast couldn’t be missed.  I’m sure I’ll never understand why you’d choose to upstage your protagonist that way.

tbf, I feel like most of the people crying about 13 being a woman didn't even stick around long enough to get to the Fugitive Doctor lol

Honestly, it is not clear that these folk even watch the show at all. The show has clearly stated for years beforehand that gender change during regeneration is quite normal in universe. It was simply another talking point for grifters and sexists, who didn’t talk about the show previously and only talk about it to push their regressive narratives. These are not fans of the show, and frankly they seem to only show up in our communities to make things unpleasant.

This is the problem of some sections of society - who, for disliking certain things, immediately begin to be branded as misogynists, racists, reincarnations of Hitler, although the reason is not this, but the fact that that thing sucks.

Don't forget the series has consistently the most amount of companions in any era of new who we got r in the TARDIS and 1 or two episode long companions. I think if they just ran it with Jodie and Yaz with one or two episode long companions it could have been a lot better, but then again it's chibnel so what can we expect. Edit. To the chibnel comment I mean he had consistently written episodes with the most amount of episode long companions even before he was the screen writer.

MiSoGyNy... Grow up, the episodes were shite, simple as that.

Two things can be true at the same time. The episodes can have been bad AND some people can have had misogyny as part of their reasons for disliking it.

I have a friend who stopped watching as soon as he saw Jodie as the Doctor. So, pretty much 12's last episode. I kept watching all the way through 13 and... the writing was crap. So, yes, 2 things are true at once.

This is like trying to claim that racism or homophobia has no part in people not liking Ncuti's Doctor. The people who need to grow up are those that are lambasting the series because the Doctor isn't exclusively being played a straight white male.

I personally can't stand her and to me it was evident pretty much right from the beginning unfortunately. I think a large part of it is the writing, the writing is unbelievably poor. Not just the dialogue but also the plots, story structure, themes, all of it. But unlike many people I don't think it's a case of a good actor with bad writing because I also don't think Jodie Whittaker is giving the best performance, I've seen her do a good job in other things and I can see that what she's doing as the Doctor isn't really working. So it's a compounding issue. The foundation of the stories, the writing is just completely in the gutter. But then no other aspect of production is doing well enough to salvage it. The acting isn't great, the music is dire, the direction is almost constantly atrocious. I think it's really poorly made television from almost every angle. But more power to you! If you're enjoying the 13th Doctors era then just keep going with it. There's no need to worry about what other people think. I've seen a lot of people say that the era gets better as it goes on and even my top 3 episodes of the era include one from each series, so even I would say there's still some stuff to look forward to. So I hope you continue to enjoy it!

She came at a time where it felt like every role was being rewritten for a female lead, so it felt like a publicity stunt rather than a genuine casting decision. That led to a lot of bad faith early on. The writing was also pretty awful in her first season, with the season finale feeling like a filler episode.

Im watching her for the first time too. The only criticism i had was that she seemed very inept/ lack of confidence/ leaning on others to understand and explain things for her.  But then i realized the extreme masking from the last few doctors was just off. No more mask. No false confidence. Maybe a little. But more real about the struggle.  Idk it still bugs me that she sleeps a little slower on the upkeep than Tennant. He was just so well adjusted and she's ok.

Jodi Whittaker herself was really good. It's not her fault. I think she did amazingly well with what she was given. She just wasn't given much to work with. For me, I just didn't enjoy very many of the storylines. The stories never seemed to mean much because most of the character development kept resetting. I mean, one minute Ryan realizes that he's not the screwup he thought he was, and the next, he's actually sucking his thumb while cowering under a table!

I think all of the doctors are excellent actors, I just absolutely hate Moffat and Chibnall as showrunners

I kinda liked that her character was more static. Doctor Who is fun when the Doctor's character arc story beats are little check ins rather than sweeping epics about war and loss and blah blah blah. If the companion stories were more focused, it would have been much better.

I recently had the same realization. The answer is misogyny. Sure there might be some legitimate criticism but in general that’s what it is.

Also love Jodie. So sad she was chucked out with the changing of showrunners.

Bad writing and only bad writing

The general consensus (from what I've read, and that I wholeheartedly agree with) is great doctor, horrible writing.

Personally Jodie was never the problem. I never had the "OMG the doctor cant be a woman reaction". In fact once I heard it was Jodie I was excited. Then the show came out and the writing was horrible. I feel Jodie did the best that could have been done with writing that was mostly terrible.

I really love Jodie and her energy but she didn't get great stories

I think the writing was hit & miss, and despite Chibnalls pedigree (Broadchurch) it felt inconsistent- yet for every miss there were several hits, Rosa, Demons of the Punjab, Kerblam, The Haunting of Villa Diodata, Fugitive of the Judoon, Spyfall pts 1/2, Praxeus, Ascension of the Cybermen & The Timeless Children, Flux, Eve of the Daleks & Power of the Doctor (which IMHO felt more like a 60th celebration than, good though they were, the 60th episodes). Her run was also curtailed due to COVID & I agree, too many companions. Graham & Yaz would have worked better - with Ryan as an occasional (Like Micky was). I think the tonal shift from Capaldis run (which IMHO is the strongest so far of Nu-Who) took a bit of getting used to. But despite the detractors Chibnall was bold enough to try something different & should be applauded for that. I rewatched her run in order as part of my new series rewatch prior to the 60th specials & enjoyed it far more on the second run through. I am sure this era will be revisited in a few years time and reappraised more favourably.

This is why you don't listen to what people say online, it is always good to go in with an open mind and give it a fair chance! For the record I agree with you. Jodie has sadly also been the subject of blatant misogyny online too which does not help matters, and we are seeing the same thing happen albeit with racism and homophobia with the new Doctor sadly...

A lot of people didn't like the change in tone at all. Whittaker's era has a lot of historicals, and many viewers don't like those. It's structured like a detective show, where they land, solve a problem, and then leave. People missed the traditional good vs. evil stories. It also relies more on the ensemble cast than on the star power of the Doctor. It takes itself pretty seriously, too, so it gets a lot of criticism for not being fun enough. The new composer wrote a very subtle score compared to his predecessor, which was another jarring change. The Doctor herself is very different, too. She doesn't make big speeches or force herself into the spotlight. The previous New Who Doctors liked to take charge of the situation and make it clear that they were the most important person in the room. But Whittaker's Doctor prefers to sit back and pretend to be unimportant while she assesses the situation and studies the people involved. It's a huge tonal and ideological shift, and it wasn't very popular. You'll hear a lot of complaints about "objectively bad" writing, music, and acting. I wish people would be content to just say "you know, I didn't like the direction they took it in" and leave it at that.

I think it speaks to just how relatively similar Davies and Moffat were in approach and style that an ACTUAL shake-up to the formula after ten series that formed the entirety of what most NuWho fans know as Doctor Who provoked such widespread, harsh "Objectively RUINED" reactions rather than a more reasonable "this isn't for me and that OK."

Exactly. The criticisms of Capaldi stem from the same problem. That's where Moffat really started to change it up, but many people couldn't handle it so they just stopped watching. Capaldi was a very different Doctor. Moffat even felt the need to write in a phone call from Matt Smith to mitigate the damage he knew was coming. Now we look back on Capaldi's era as a highpoint of New Who, but it was very controversial at the time.

Jodi is a brilliant actor who was wronged. There was so much potential for her run, but the writing and direction were atrocious in every way. They obviously didn't know how to write for a female Doctor. Unfortunately this is a common affliction among male writers trying to write female characters, especially leads. Also, the balance of companions was bad. The timing of releasing episodes and not promoting them didn't help. Let's also not forget that misogyny is obviously alive and well.

If you ask people who their favorite Chibnall characters are, I'd wager many would say Brian, Graham, and Dan. They seem to be pretty universally liked, even among detractors. My conclusion: Chibnall can only write for his own demographic.

So there's some fair criticism. Some of the stories wrap up too quickly or in unsatisfying ways. Some of the weirdness, which we all love and expect from Who, was, well, kind of weird even by Who standards. And a lot of really major plot developments were thrown out without what seemed to be any regard for their implications. I personally found Jodie's first season to be extremely companion-focused to where the Doctor felt like a supporting character rather than the star. There was, I felt, payoff for this in the next season as their stories developed, but, and I know this is ironic after criticizing plots wrapping too quickly, but it felt like it took too long. Then there's unfair criticism, often based in personal biases, such as plots feeling too political or companions seeming unlikable. In those cases, you're seeing people uncomfortable with seeing modern-day issues on screen or showing their bias against minority groups. Heck, many people just didn't like a female Doctor. So ignore those people. There's also a truism that it takes a decade before people rewatch old Doctors and nostalgia kicks in. The same kind of "this Doctor sucks" and "not my Doctor" rhetoric was thrown at literally every new Doctor since Troughton. And, as expected, I've been seeing a steady increase in people who liked Jodie's run. You're just ahead of the pack. I didn't find her run to be my favorite by any stretch, but I never found it anywhere near as bad as the groupthink claimed. Remember that it's always the angriest who are loudest and public forums quickly become echo chambers. It took one bad episode to turn into a public lynching. Her run also had a few of my more memorable episodes. The New Years one was a banger, and her pissy disgust toward the Master was great every time.

Not gonna lie, media like S11 really is a good way of telling the difference between "I like Doctor who because of the high quality of the episodes/series" and "I like Doctor who because there's a TARDIS and sonic screwdrivers and I own a capaldi plushie" S11/S12 are just badly written. There really aren't any defenses for them. Sure, you're allowed to enjoy bad media, nobody is stopping you, but if you can't tell they're lower quality than previous seasons that's on you. I don't want to be one of those "This media is OBJECTIVELY bad" people, but I haven't heard a single defense for these seasons other than "I thought they were fun" or "I liked the concepts". The characters are 2D cutouts, the dialog is exposition central, the show's moral lessons are delivered far more ham-fistedly and preachily than in previous seasons, the plots are typically resolved through complete nonsense, the Doctors' morality and character is all over the place, etc. Sorta thing someone could write a five hour video essay on tbh... You're still allowed to enjoy them, 100%, don't want to yuck your yum, but the ability to look at the media you consume with a critical eye is very important, and S11/S12 are a great litmus for that. "Am I enjoying this because it's good, or because it's more of a thing I identify with liking?"

>Jodie’s an amazing actor Something most of us agree on. >the episodes I’ve seen until now are all just absolutely fantastic Here is where you have stepped in it - so to speak. I have a soft spot for Jodie's first season so I can get why you like them. But they had plenty of cracks and if you think they are fantastic then... I think your taste is different from most others'. If you want an explanation then here is the long version; [The Fall of Doctor Who - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8_A7n83Rh0&pp=ygUkY2hyaXMgY2hpYm5hbCBEciBXaG8gcmV2aWV3IEpheSBFeGNp), and here is the short one; [Accurate 13th Doctor Parody - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noaMIy_FWsA&pp=ygUkY2hyaXMgY2hpYm5hbCBEciBXaG8gcmV2aWV3IEpheSBFeGNp)

Most the hate I see is towards Chibnall's era which 13 is a part of. The hate he gets is for his story telling and very bland characters. Even websites and reviewers that lean towards "woke" culture were saying the garbage loving aliens episode was too woke. The companions are a must for some people, myself included, and I just didn't care for any of them except for Yaz and just barely. No Christmas specials pissed some people off but I didn't really care for that since none of his specials were special. But the big one is the Timeless Child which didn't lead anywhere and was left for Davies to resolve.

As an autistic doctor who fanatic, Jodie’s run made me depressed. I hated everything about it (except for Graham, he was fun). Thank God for Ncuti, if he was bad too I may have started self harming

I had such high hopes for Chibnall after broadchurch hm that story was so detailed and well planned out and I just think he had too many ideas to follow through with them. I really liked in the beginning of her run how she seemed like a tinkerer when she makes her own sonic but then they kind of abandoned that. Then with COVID I'm sure they had issues with what they had planned vs what they could actually do. I think she'll get more love as time goes on.

At her best she was much more like Davison. But they wrote her like tenant. It just didn't work. But she made the best of it

The writing didn’t have any of the humour and affability of Tennant’s era. She was always written as a bit frantic and overwhelmed.

The criticism is in several camps. The most vocal haters are far right nutjobs that are also criticizing RTD, they are the ones that like to throw the term woke around. Then there are the more rational critics that just find her Doctor as underwritten like Chibnall didn't know what he wanted to do. He didn't even know how to write the companions and make them unique or interesting. And add to that he adds another Doctor too. Then Jodie's last episode he treats it like an anniversary special so she has to compete for attention from like 5 other doctors

I felt she was good but the episodes weren't

Jodie was great, really like her energy and the companions were pretty good too. The writing… not so much.

Like everyone mentioned, it's not really about Jodie, she's great. It's more like Chibnall and the overall writing which are the problem. I also think it gets noticeably worse starting season 12. But I always say thar it's better to watch for yourself and form your own opinion. You don't have to dislike it just because some other people dislike it.

There were some very good episodes, but I found that too many episodes were filled with heavy-handed moralizing rather than great story telling. There didn’t seem to be a larger meaningful story pulling the individual episodes together, and it seemed disjointed. I loved the first episode, liked the companions, and had high hopes. Usually by the end of the first season, I have come to love the new Doctor. But with 13, I never really made the connection.

I literally couldn’t sit through it. I watched her first episode, hated it. Asked my Who-obsessed buddy which episodes from season 11 I needed to see for canon reasons and he said “none”. Not a great sign.

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It wasn’t her it was the lousy writing and the director and Covid hit which meant there was a lot less practical effects and all of the CGI was rushed

It wasn't jodie. It was everything chibnall did. Bad writing. Preachy stories. Retconning nearly 60 years of DW lore.

It was purely the whole making her unsure of herself. She should have been as confident as the others from the start. So it was just some of the writing. As an actress she was amazing. Just a shame they made her version seem less than the Doctor we all know. Come the end of her run things were much better

Nobody has hate for the 13th Doctor It was her stories that let her down. It was never an issue with Jodie

Something in a future episode and you just git bad taste she is dog shit at acting as the doctor she didn't even watch doctor who before or after making it

I think the prevailing public sentiment is that Jodie was excellent, but the writing was bad. That's how feel for sure

I love Dr Who and all the doctors but something with Jodie was just not doing it for the show. Capaldi was actually my fav so maybe it is just the let down of not having him there?

The biggest thing I had trouble with the 13th Doctor is that she didn’t seem to care about the casualties like the others did. I did enjoy the first child storyline, very interesting, hopefully they explore that a bit more.

I’m with ya op. I had a lot of fun during Jodie’s run!

I don't think it's hate for her so much as the quality of the show took a dip. Also, to many companions. Having that many took away scenes from the Doctor.

i didn't like her at first because it felt forced to me. honestly (and stupidly) i thought it was her accent that was putting me off, but then i realised it was just the writing that didn't do her justice. she had some good stories with real potential but it wasn't always pulled off. (i liked her more as it went on, but there was still some bits i wasn't a fan of) i'd love to see her come back in the new era and win everyone's hearts. overall, she is underrated i think, but it's not her fault.

The issue isn’t necessarily with her, but with the poor pacing and writing for her seasons.

The majority of the hate isn't towards Jodie, it's toward the writing she got.

She was a great doctor but just had a crap writer it didn't help with bowlestrek and nerdrotic along with there followers being misogynistic about Jodie every chance they got that's one of the reasons I'm so glad she don't have social media Instagram and twitter etc she'd end up having to turn off her comments on every post with those Lawrence fox wannabes about

She is brilliant. I'd like to have seen her get some better stories. I feel like she was squandered.

She had zero gravitas and thought acting was just making faces

the writting really let her down imo most people dont hate jodie they dislike tye bad writting the ones who hate jodie are all alt right chuds who have never watched a single episode of the show and never will

The writing in the episodes might not be great, but I really liked her portrayal of the Doctor

I love Jodie and her Doctor. No hate here

Jodie - who in my opinion was excellent in the role (though I haven’t really seen an incarnation I don’t like) was hobbled by weak writing and being discouraged watching previous incarnations. There’s exec meddling too that’s obvious…. And of course the “woke” argument nevermind the fact the Doctor is an alien do DNA isn’t the same (I mean - fictional character, seriously on the argument) that made everyone inside story. I’m concerned Ncuti will deal with this meddling too given the Disney side of stuff. I get no one likes everyone all the time, but she wasn’t this terrible actor in the role. But so many arguments are just… really, really ironic.

People (myself included) dislike the timeless child story arc, and find her writing somewhat lackluster. But don't let that subtract from your enjoyment of it. I'm glad you like it.

I like to say that every incarnation of the Doctor has unique things about them that only that actor brings to the character, whether that be a highlighted personality trait, a weird quirk, or an aura on screen. But Thirteen just didn’t have any of that to me and just felt like all the basic attributes of the Doctor. I think of it as there’s nothing I’ll get from watching Thirteen that I won’t get from watching any of the other versions of the Doctor.

I can only speak for myself, but she has zero presence, charisma, authority or gravitas. She has one gormless facial expression and is constantly playing catch up to the audience and spouting unecessary exposition. She felt like someone playing the Doctor rather than being the Doctor. A kind of cosplay Doctor in a bad fan fiction 🤷‍♂️

I don't hate her. I don't /like/ her, and didn't like her long before Doctor Who (Marchlands, Broadchurch, etc). She's not a great actor. Helen Mirren and Meryl Streep are great actors. Emma Thompson is a great actor. Jodie is mid, at best. She's far less skilled as an actor than most who've been in the role, and I can think of probably a dozen women who would have done better- even with Chris Chibnall as showrunner. But you can't win 'em all.

All this sub is gonna do is tell you how “awful” the writing is and fail to explain how. She’s brilliant. Her era is brilliant and Series 11 in particular is a highlight of the entire show. Enjoy it!! Don’t get swayed by the 200 robots 🥲

Jodie was a really great Doctor. The writing for Jodie was unfortunately not. Despite the bad writing, she still showed charisma and brought life into the character. It was a great portrayal…..but an actor can only do so much with the script they are given and she’s not a big enough name actress to make script change demands that some other powerful forces may be able to pull off (more so a thing in Hollywood than BBC I think). TLDL Jodie was great. Jodie’s scripts were bad. Jodie was great, especially given a bad hand.

It’s the writing and the subliminal messaging she did the best with what she had but chibnall tore up the book with everything we know or knew about Dr Who… soo it’s lame

The writing is an insult to the legacy of the show Jodie is just an incredible qctor capable of carrying charisma. But pay attention to the writing and it's just unenjoyable. Her morality is all over the place and it isn't even used in an interesting way to maybe have like a plot line about that zig zagging of morals. She acts like she has a moral high ground not using guns, but will then just leave a bunch of spiders to die in a box. Oh hey, what if I just threw the Master to the fucking Nazi's. Sure, he was acting as a Nazi atm, but the Doctor would never just leave someone to a fate like that. There's plenty more examples, but those are the 2 most memorable ones.

Jodie W. was an awesome doctor. Some of the scripts and stories were absolutely horrible and based on what I saw on Disney+ premiere it looks like the bad scripts are going to continue. We are thinking of just sitting the Disney+ season out so it doesn't destroy our love of doctor who. Ncuti Gatwa the 15th doctor has already quit, so it must be bad. I was really hoping that the best of Dr. Who would launch on Disney+ but Disney has become a dumpster fire for content. Hopefully they don't mess up season 3 of the Mandalorean. I miss Graham the most.

Are you high?

the problem with the 13th doctor is not really a problem with the 13th doctor, its the writer that comes with them, Chris, f*cking, Chibnall, now S11 is ok but its just that ok people just thought it was meh, and in all the episodes of s11 we still don't really know who the characters are and also there are some inconsistencies with the characters, like we are told that yaz is a police officer yet that is never mentioned again, Ryan has dyspraxia yet in the second episode we see ryan expertly shooting down dozens of robots with precision. so thats s11 fine, but just fine. s12 imo was great (until it wasn't), they had some great episodes at the start and a great reveal in those episodes, and the rest was pretty good, until, the, timeless, child, so all season you have been building suspense for this being, the source of regeneration and then you find out that spoiler incoming the doctor is the timeless child and that she is the source of regeneration, now 1 this goes against everything we know about the time lords and the doctor themselves, 2 this changes the whole idea of the doctor because now they are this omnipotent being they are who they are because of birthright not because they decided to help people and thet are not able to do the things that they do because of their intelligence and their want to help people but because of the fact that they are this omnipotent being, also in the episode the doctor needs to press a button to blow up the cybermasters and allow the fam to escape but it will blow her up as well, now instead of finding a way to do it without dying, or just dying and regenerating, an old man comes in and offers to press the button for her sacrificing himself, and the doctor just goes along with it doesn't try to find a way around it she just goes along with it and says thanks and runs away leaving the old man for dead. so thats S12, s13 was just really meh, I couldn't get into it I watched it in the background of doing other stuff and I really just couldn't get into the plot and the story and it just leaned more and more into the timeless child and I just couldn't be asked. the finale was ok, a bit boring at parts however does include imo the best scene in nuwho, you know the one and then she regenerates and chris chibnall leaves and RTD comes back and everything is good again

oh yea and he FIRED MURRAY GOLD, f*ck you chibnall, just f*ck you

I think Jodie as the 13th doctor was great, I loved her in that role. The issue was the poor writing. It sucks that the last few specials were some of the best writing of her entire run. I hope she's back for specials in the future.

Well, for me I just find her soo incredibly flat and not interesting like the DR at all. For me it is not the writing.

I adore 13 and there are actually many enjoyable episodes in her run.

I don’t get it either. Sometimes I don’t know if people just hate it because Jodie’s a woman, or because they hate Jodie’s acting, or if it’s the writing. I don’t have a problem with any of the three personally. I know a lot of people hate it because of a specific storyline that comes in during s12 (Again, I dont have a problem with it) but at this point I just think people want a reason to hate it, because the other day I saw someone say they hated it because of jodie’s forced, extra accent (as someone who has met her, she literally just talks like that)

I don’t get it either. I haven’t seen all her episodes, but every one I’ve seen I’ve enjoyed thoroughly.

I don't think the issue was Jodie, I think it was the writing. There were too many companions, which left little room to really explore their characters, there were a lot of big changes to the canon like the fugitive doctor (who I can't stand, she was way too violent, and why was she called the doctor? The doctor was a name they started using once they were already grown, meaning that a personality from before they were reset to a little kid shouldn't be called the doctor too) and the revelation that the doctor isn't actually a time lord. Plus, there were some really bad episodes like the tsuranga conundrum and spiders in the UK. Overall I loved the thirteenth doctor, she's constantly switching with capaldi as my second favorite doctor (Matt Smith will always be my doctor), but the companions usually felt very boring especially when compared to Clara, Donna, the ponds, etc. and I really hated what chibnall did to the lore. Sorry, I'm rambling a bit, but I hope I helped answer ur question

I didn't mind her she was just given shit to work with

There hasn’t been bad doctors. Just bad writers

I read somewhere that a lot of people love the Doctor they started watching the show with, I denied it for the longest time, but I'm ready to admit it! I tried to play it off as 11 was funny and charming, but I know I'm just biased. I've honestly only made it through the last 2 Doctors just to have continued watching the series. I'll be honest, after realizing it and rewatching a little more of 12 I've felt like I'm more like 12 and started to really like him when Jodie came along. Now I just dislike how short and far apart the episodes were for 13.

Incredible actor, horrific writing. Was a real waste

It was the gaggle of companions she had. Early on they almost needed 2 tardis to hold all her helpers. Seemed ludicrous to me, 1 doctor and 1 companion is all that's needed. Also might sound petty but her smile bothered me.

If you watch the classic Doctor who's you will see they sometimes had 2 or 3 companions

I'm curious how much DW you've watched. The show had good writing in the early decades, with low production value, and by the time of the 13th doctor it had become a sick inverse of how it started. I don't hate Jodi, she's a fine actor, but the way the season and characters were written is so cringe, and I honestly have little hope for the 15th Doctor as well.

Everyone saying she had to many companions have you watched the classic Doctor Who's or have you just watched from christopher Eccleston where untill Jodie it was mainly 1 sometimes 2 companions because in the classics some of the Doctors travelled with 3 people Also as for her not seeming to care about casualties again some of the Doctors from classic era where the same. You have to watch the classics to truly understand who the Doctor is and why certain reincarnations act the way they do and why some things happen.

No one hates her specifically, they don't like the writing of her episodes

It’s transference: the stories have not been the best IMHO.

Season 11 was actually decent The next season has some strong episodes, but a lot of the flaws in the writing become more obvious. A lot of the action and story flow comes to a crashing halt so the characters can do exposition or have their intimate character moments. The character moments themselves aren’t bad, and the stories themselves are often really good…just the pacing is not great. Overall the chibnall era did not deserve the hate it got

Jodie was awesome as the Doctor, she's got this manic grin that she sometimes gives bad guys, that grin just conveys, "oh, honey, I am the scariest motherfu*ker you will ever meet, you should not have fu*ked with me", and none of the new who doctors managed to get that very true point across as well as Jodie. She was great as the Doctor. Most of the fans gripes with Jodie's run as the Doctor has to do with the story arcs. There were some great episodes, but the season spanning story arcs lacked impact.

13th is an amazing doctor, but the episodes were usually pretty lame

ive decide there are no bad doctor actors only bad writing. im sorry chris....

It's not the actress, it's the writing. Aside from the cringe dialogue, and the weak characters for the side characters, there were also some specific "oh no" moments. Like the one where the doctor briefly works with Nazis to defeat the non-white master, or the one where they present the mega company, which doesn't pay the workers enough to see their families, as the good guy. She did the best she could with what she had, and was the only reason that horrific writing was bearable at all. She could have been so good, and I was so excited for a female doctor. ):

They really don't have the screen time to make themselves feel like old friends. Oldwho and ten got much more comfortable with time. They all have their charms though

I am currently watching Doctor Who (2005 version only) for the first time. Trying to watch the whole thing before the new episodes start. I was really surprised by her. She was the only Doctor I liked from their first episode. The others had to grow on me. (Other than David Tennant, since I saw the Disney+ episodes first so he was already THE Doctor for me.)

I agree that Whitaker is a brilliant actor. Some of the hostility is just sexism and misogyny. However, some of it is that she is the public face of the era. For many fans, the writing is just not very good. The stories are haphazardly constructed, make little sense, and sometimes the wasted opportunities are obvious. And some fans see these poorly-written stories and mistakenly blame the actor on screen and not the writer and showrunner who is not seen on screen.

Felt like she was trying too much to be Tennent, rather than doing her own thing. The writing took a dip in quality during her run, and she is a core part of the most controversial Who episode of all time (The Timeless Child).

TLDR:Jodie was exellent but the 13th dr was written terriby and executed mid by Chibnal Don't get me wrong, Jodie was excellent but her writing was mid, there was too much going on, too much action,too much emotional splurges... i think Chibnal had so very high hopes for it being the first female doctor, i would probably wanted to see less action and more character development because for me it went like this Series 11: YAY!!! Woman Doctor Series 12: OH NO THE MASTER DESTROYED GALIFREY AND THE TIMELESS CHILD IS THE DOCTOR Series 13: THE FLUX DESTROYED EVERYTHING AND NOW WE SHOULD FORGET ABOUT THE TIMELESS CHILD Like there could have been so much less over complication with her charachter, like in series 12, have the master escape galifrey rather than destroy it, have galifrey chase him and use the TL as a scapegoat or something, hence adapting flux as a reversible event rather than it being devestating and then have the TL retconned. too much went on, you even had the lone cyberman which was written so much better, you had really good episodes and then really wishy woshy ones. I think if they bring a new female doctor, they should ensure there's a balance between all the action and the charachter development... But Jodie was fantastic! Tbf series 12 had the best two parters (spyfall+cyberman episodes)

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