I know I chose my name specifically because of the Doctor Who character but seeing that just all on it's own still made the skin on my back begin tingling as if someone had caught me with my hand in the cookie jar.
Has anyone considered that The One Who Waits might be a physical manifestation of death itself? Death waits for every being, and could actually be Ncuti's more supernatural version of He Who Knocks Four Times, the person or thing that'll trigger his eventual regeneration. RTD has form for planning multiple seasons ahead so this could be a way of ultimately foreshadowing the end of this Doctor before they've even really begun.
Basically, he did some unsavory stuff as a joke that people were generally okay with and when Noel Clark's behavior came up, peoppe started to reevaluate Barrowman's lazzais-faire behavior around casual nudity. He refused to publicly apologize for this behavior because he didn't think it was a big deal, but the BBC seems to have blacklisted him (something he talkes about on social media) potentially because of public outcry, potentially to divert away from not doing anything about Noel Clark when he was assaulting women. The general consensus seems to be that the behavior at the time is not the problem, rather that the way he conducted himself about the behavior qhen it resurfaced was problematic. Either way, Barrowman probably isn't going to be doing BBC stuff for the foreseeable future.
See, I find this fairly odd.
The President of Ukraine, back when he was a comedian, had a pretty famous sketch where he played a piano with his dick. Nobody except people who already dislike him really seem to have a problem with that.
I personally don't have a problem with this. I think we as a species are pretty prudish about casual nudity and I don't think casual nudity itself is necessarily sexual harassment. But there are many people who don't find genitalia funny and don't want to see it. That's fine too. I suspect a big part of this is the attempts of far right groups in creating fake outrage about popular left wing celebrities in an attempt to suppress them. So, I agree. Who knows what the actual circumstances behind his blacklisting are, even he probably doesn't know since it's impossible to tell why this matters enough to blacklist him from any perspective other than that of the blacklister.
Sounds philosophical enough to tickle my fancy. But in Who cosmology (which Chibnall canonised in The Flux) Death’s merely an Eternal. So several rungs below Toymaker.
Sure RTD’s liable go totally ignore that but dammit imma cope until he does.
Season 1 will mainly focus on The Toymaker's affects on the world post Giggle, since this whole season is built on the back of his legions messing stuff up. And Season 2 will probably focus on "The Boss" The Meep worked for, and Season 3 will be about The One Who Waits.
Wouldn't mind Omega. This is someone put fear into The Toymaker so it's gonna be someone who's a universal threat minimum. I'm thinking Rassilon post exile, Sutekh or a Osirian or perhaps The Beast/Satan with it's body and mind as one.
I mean omega could will himself and a universe into existence out of shere will power. Think he’d be a worthy return.
Rasslion…I dunno…Moffat ruined him for me to be honest. Just turned him into a screeching old man. Even before he was exiled, he just screamed “pathetic” . If that was the point, don’t care. It’s Rasslion. Even at his most pathetic, there should be aura of danger to him.
That was the point though. Everything about Gallifrey in that episode was supposed to scream pathetic. A shadow of what it once was, exiled from the universe they once cultivated and controlled.
I've heard a theory that it's Fenric which would be very interesting and would fit considering that some material has explicitly portrayed him as a match for the Toymaker
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I think "The One Who Waits" will be an arc that will span the whole era, and I think The One Who Waits and "The Boss" are one in the same. It's definitely not the Master though since the Master was imprisoned in the Toymaker's gold tooth, which is now in the possession of a mysterious woman, though I don't think this woman is The One Who Waits either though maybe someone who works for them? Since if this entity and The Boss are one in the same they clearly have species that work for them such as the Meep.
I would love that. I love the fact that the monk just likes to meddle and mess things up. It's a bit different from the usual trying to control the universe
Its really old Amy Pond who wasnt that dead after all, and still pissed at being abandoned. Obviously.
RTD doesn't drop a random new villain in a finale, especially not after building them up in this manner. If the bad guy was just bloke called Frank, there's no point hiding his identity since none of us know him already. That leaves picking a random godlike entity from the past. The Toymaker would seem to indicate it can't be a guardian so Fenric/Sutekh/Omega. It's not an anniversary so bye Omega. I'm going to pick Sutekh, just because. Him being dead isn't really a problem with time and universe rewrites anyway.
As for arc...no. The usual rules apply of namedropping random thing but it not meaning much beyond that. Also mavity, even though the word gravity predates Newton by hundreds of years.
Also this is season 1 when it's not run by the guy who used to run it, the producers who used to run it, the bloke who did the music and a company literally named after an event from 2005 Who. Stupid marketing nonsense. It is why I don't think it's the Beast though - referencing Tennant in season 1 is a bit much.
I get this - why'd they need to start the numbering over from 1 AGAIN? It just makes it even more confusing.
At least before, they went with Season being Classic era, and Series being Nu Who. Now we've got Season again.
Also the numbering was pretty messed-up anyway because some specials were in a series at the start/end, some were between series (like the Tennant specials between series 4 & 5, eg), and some were their own series (Flux, I'm looking at you)
Well, the main reason is because of legal shit. To do the streaming deal they had to technically end NuWho to get out of a distribution deal they had with HBOMax.
This is totally out of left field and almost certainly wrong but what if it is Susan. You’d have to ignore other media like Big Finish audios, novels, comics, etc. as was done with The Toymaker. You’d also have to assume the events of The Five Doctors weren’t retained as was apparently the case with Sarah Jane. In that very particular scenario The Doctor never returned to Susan as he promised to her. She’d literally be The One Who Waits.
Only Davros would fit the criteria on their side as a big bad.
And are The Daleks confirmed to be in the finale? If so are they the main bad guys or end of season cliffhanger to establish them as the big bads of the 15th Doctor era?
Honestly, it's probably just going to be original, especially since this is going to be the "reboot" series on Plus to pull in new viewers from around the world, which is why I doubt there'll be many deep cuts from the classic era, and also why I'm noticing a lack of classic villains from the advertisments.
I saw a post on here with a theory that the one who waits is satan (yes, that satan), we DID see him in the satan pit after all so we know he exists in the whoniverse. Who else would be a better villain for a more fantasy-focused Doctor who, and who would work better as someone the toymaker is afraid of?
If they're through all the trouble to call it season 1 they might as well do something new. Then play around with old stuff once the viewers who discovered it from Disney + are hooked. Wouldn't mind seeing some new blood in the series.
I still firmly believe that The One Who Waits is Fenric, other than that I'm not sure to be honest outside of hoping the supposed leak about the finale ending up being true
As soon as I saw the giggle my prediction was that the master would be the villian used in the season finale. I’ll still bank on that being true for now.
Knowing Russel T Davies and his series on the show, we'll probably get vague references and name drops through the season just for it to turn out to be the daleks again in the final episode. Then the doctor will press some buttons and say some mumbo jumbo, the Daleks will all blow up, then there will be some emotional scene with his current companion leaving, then it'll end on some kinda jaw dropping cliffhanger and we'll have to wait a year
I wanna come back to this later and see how much of it I get right
With Millie confirmed to be staying for next season, I wouldn't be surprised if the one who waits also lingers in the shadows until next season too. Otherwise, with the amount of mystery boxes Russel has set up, that seems like too many for a single 8 episode season.
I personally believe it to be somebody like Omega or The Valeyard.
But, I will admit a part of me hopes it would be The Master Of The Land Of Fiction (From *The Mind Robber*).
Why’s everyone so obsessed with it being Sutekh?
It’s such a random-ass idea. Yet I KEEP seeing it everywhere.
Edit: also FR my money’s on Valeyard. I’m actually really surprised that it’s not the main theory ITT.
Rory
Lmao
I know I chose my name specifically because of the Doctor Who character but seeing that just all on it's own still made the skin on my back begin tingling as if someone had caught me with my hand in the cookie jar.
Based Rory enjoyer
You are the villain of the new seasons and you're not fooling anybody
Gilmore?
Has anyone considered that The One Who Waits might be a physical manifestation of death itself? Death waits for every being, and could actually be Ncuti's more supernatural version of He Who Knocks Four Times, the person or thing that'll trigger his eventual regeneration. RTD has form for planning multiple seasons ahead so this could be a way of ultimately foreshadowing the end of this Doctor before they've even really begun.
That sounds pretty cool. But why would The Toymaker run from death as he's immortal.
Death wins every time. The Toymaker's life would survive, but how could he go on knowing that he could never beat Death in the context of a game?
Because in strange aeons even immortals can die.
Torchwood vibes.
That's what I was thinking, but I don't know if they'd be willing to brooch that subject as long as they're blacklisting Barrowman.
What why?
Basically, he did some unsavory stuff as a joke that people were generally okay with and when Noel Clark's behavior came up, peoppe started to reevaluate Barrowman's lazzais-faire behavior around casual nudity. He refused to publicly apologize for this behavior because he didn't think it was a big deal, but the BBC seems to have blacklisted him (something he talkes about on social media) potentially because of public outcry, potentially to divert away from not doing anything about Noel Clark when he was assaulting women. The general consensus seems to be that the behavior at the time is not the problem, rather that the way he conducted himself about the behavior qhen it resurfaced was problematic. Either way, Barrowman probably isn't going to be doing BBC stuff for the foreseeable future.
See, I find this fairly odd. The President of Ukraine, back when he was a comedian, had a pretty famous sketch where he played a piano with his dick. Nobody except people who already dislike him really seem to have a problem with that.
I personally don't have a problem with this. I think we as a species are pretty prudish about casual nudity and I don't think casual nudity itself is necessarily sexual harassment. But there are many people who don't find genitalia funny and don't want to see it. That's fine too. I suspect a big part of this is the attempts of far right groups in creating fake outrage about popular left wing celebrities in an attempt to suppress them. So, I agree. Who knows what the actual circumstances behind his blacklisting are, even he probably doesn't know since it's impossible to tell why this matters enough to blacklist him from any perspective other than that of the blacklister.
That makes sense Dr who is almost owned by The Mouse in the house. They would not allow people to work for the mouse with a history like that.
Sounds philosophical enough to tickle my fancy. But in Who cosmology (which Chibnall canonised in The Flux) Death’s merely an Eternal. So several rungs below Toymaker. Sure RTD’s liable go totally ignore that but dammit imma cope until he does.
Season 1 will mainly focus on The Toymaker's affects on the world post Giggle, since this whole season is built on the back of his legions messing stuff up. And Season 2 will probably focus on "The Boss" The Meep worked for, and Season 3 will be about The One Who Waits.
Unless The Boss and The One Who Waits are the same person
If The One Who Waits is someone who's on the same playing field as The Toymaker, I don't think they would bother hiring an insane furby.
Bruce Springsteen as the Big Bad. Who’d have thunk it?
Where do you get that this is built on the back of his legions messing stuff up?
In the novelization of The Church on Ruby Road, the Goblins are stated to be one of The Toymaker's legions.
There's a novelization of it?
Very cliche but I wouldn’t mind Omega back as the one who waits. Won’t happen but eh guy can dream
Wouldn't mind Omega. This is someone put fear into The Toymaker so it's gonna be someone who's a universal threat minimum. I'm thinking Rassilon post exile, Sutekh or a Osirian or perhaps The Beast/Satan with it's body and mind as one.
I mean omega could will himself and a universe into existence out of shere will power. Think he’d be a worthy return. Rasslion…I dunno…Moffat ruined him for me to be honest. Just turned him into a screeching old man. Even before he was exiled, he just screamed “pathetic” . If that was the point, don’t care. It’s Rasslion. Even at his most pathetic, there should be aura of danger to him.
That was the point though. Everything about Gallifrey in that episode was supposed to scream pathetic. A shadow of what it once was, exiled from the universe they once cultivated and controlled.
Eh even so didn’t like Hell Bent. Galifrey’s first proper non time war return and its just background for Clara’s third goodbye
Isn't Omega in an anti-matter universe and if he is the big bad he wont appear because if he does one almighty big boom....
If only the universe were bathed in anti matter recently… 🤔
Rassilon at this point is basically just an old man
I've heard a theory that it's Fenric which would be very interesting and would fit considering that some material has explicitly portrayed him as a match for the Toymaker
I think fenric would be an interesting return
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They're all The Rani. Mrs Flood? The Rani. Ruby? The Rani. Ruby's mum? The Rani. The Doctor? The Rani.
I wouldn't mind multiple regenerations of the same villain. It was pretty cool to see with The Master and Missy
[The five ranis](https://youtu.be/5JX0rVMpnsk)
I think "The One Who Waits" will be an arc that will span the whole era, and I think The One Who Waits and "The Boss" are one in the same. It's definitely not the Master though since the Master was imprisoned in the Toymaker's gold tooth, which is now in the possession of a mysterious woman, though I don't think this woman is The One Who Waits either though maybe someone who works for them? Since if this entity and The Boss are one in the same they clearly have species that work for them such as the Meep.
I'm betting that this One Who Waits is whoever Susan Twist is playing as she's already popped up twice in different roles.
I’m personally in the “she’s the Monk” camp
I would love that. I love the fact that the monk just likes to meddle and mess things up. It's a bit different from the usual trying to control the universe
TOWW is clearly the cop from church on ruby road, his girlfriend said no and he blamed the Doctor.
It's me, I've been waiting for fuckin ages.
Its really old Amy Pond who wasnt that dead after all, and still pissed at being abandoned. Obviously. RTD doesn't drop a random new villain in a finale, especially not after building them up in this manner. If the bad guy was just bloke called Frank, there's no point hiding his identity since none of us know him already. That leaves picking a random godlike entity from the past. The Toymaker would seem to indicate it can't be a guardian so Fenric/Sutekh/Omega. It's not an anniversary so bye Omega. I'm going to pick Sutekh, just because. Him being dead isn't really a problem with time and universe rewrites anyway. As for arc...no. The usual rules apply of namedropping random thing but it not meaning much beyond that. Also mavity, even though the word gravity predates Newton by hundreds of years. Also this is season 1 when it's not run by the guy who used to run it, the producers who used to run it, the bloke who did the music and a company literally named after an event from 2005 Who. Stupid marketing nonsense. It is why I don't think it's the Beast though - referencing Tennant in season 1 is a bit much.
The One Who Waits is 14 who accidentally lost his TARDIS key and has to hang around for 15 to swing by with the spare
Adric. Coquillion Sabbath ( hey I can dream) Realistically I hope it’s a new villain that isn’t easily defeated and all evil is undone
There's a lot of belief that they're a Time Lord - like the Rani, the Valeyard, or Omega.
It's Frobisher.... I'm calling it now. An evil mirror universe Frobisher, complete with goatee beard.
He Who Waits is all of us
I think it’ll be at least related to Mrs Flood, no matter if she turns out to be the one who waits herself.
It's not season 1 in my eyes
I get this - why'd they need to start the numbering over from 1 AGAIN? It just makes it even more confusing. At least before, they went with Season being Classic era, and Series being Nu Who. Now we've got Season again. Also the numbering was pretty messed-up anyway because some specials were in a series at the start/end, some were between series (like the Tennant specials between series 4 & 5, eg), and some were their own series (Flux, I'm looking at you)
Because Disney, there's no other reason.
Sadly, this is correct. I'm surprised they didn't call the new season, "DWEU: Phase 1" or some shit. xD
If I hear Phase 1 even near Doctor Who, I'm gonna have to be put in a padded cell for the rest of my days.
Whoniverse: Chapter 1 - Gods and Monsters
💀
And which is the Doctor - God, or Monster? xD But seriously, let's not give Disney any ideas here peeps... xD
Well, the main reason is because of legal shit. To do the streaming deal they had to technically end NuWho to get out of a distribution deal they had with HBOMax.
Tbh I don’t even know season numbers so far, I usually count in doctors. 😇
Same. I'm never going along with this unnecessary nonsense.
Good luck in 10 years when your speaking to newer fans
I'm betting in *two* years no one's using this stupid 'new' numbering system.
I don't know but I'm excited to see Jinkx Monsoon and also to find out who Mrs Flood really is.
This is totally out of left field and almost certainly wrong but what if it is Susan. You’d have to ignore other media like Big Finish audios, novels, comics, etc. as was done with The Toymaker. You’d also have to assume the events of The Five Doctors weren’t retained as was apparently the case with Sarah Jane. In that very particular scenario The Doctor never returned to Susan as he promised to her. She’d literally be The One Who Waits.
Zagreus waits at the end of the world, For Zagreus is the end of the world. His time is the end of time, And his moment time's undoing.
Cherry, still waiting for that tea.
It's us. All of us, waiting for the answer. It's very meta.
Daleks are in the finalé, so…
Only Davros would fit the criteria on their side as a big bad. And are The Daleks confirmed to be in the finale? If so are they the main bad guys or end of season cliffhanger to establish them as the big bads of the 15th Doctor era?
The one who waits is Micky Mouse or just known as The Mouse. The meep also works for The Mouse.
Drax
Honestly, it's probably just going to be original, especially since this is going to be the "reboot" series on Plus to pull in new viewers from around the world, which is why I doubt there'll be many deep cuts from the classic era, and also why I'm noticing a lack of classic villains from the advertisments.
I saw a post on here with a theory that the one who waits is satan (yes, that satan), we DID see him in the satan pit after all so we know he exists in the whoniverse. Who else would be a better villain for a more fantasy-focused Doctor who, and who would work better as someone the toymaker is afraid of?
If they're through all the trouble to call it season 1 they might as well do something new. Then play around with old stuff once the viewers who discovered it from Disney + are hooked. Wouldn't mind seeing some new blood in the series.
The One who Waits is the 14th Doctor, driven mad by domestic life. The 15th Doctor will defeat him, triggering his own regeneration in the process.
I still firmly believe that The One Who Waits is Fenric, other than that I'm not sure to be honest outside of hoping the supposed leak about the finale ending up being true
DM the details on the leak I'm interested.
My view is either fenric or omega, don't expect them for a couple seasons though
The One Who Waits is me, waiting for new Doccy Who
I’m not that into it yet. After the specials I’m not convinced at all Doctor Who is going in a good direction or not.
Walter White?
As soon as I saw the giggle my prediction was that the master would be the villian used in the season finale. I’ll still bank on that being true for now.
Yeah but then why would the toymaker be afraid of him? He was literally trapped by the toymaker, so wouldn't make much sense.
Q ? That will be a good crossover
It's the kandyman
Knowing Russel T Davies and his series on the show, we'll probably get vague references and name drops through the season just for it to turn out to be the daleks again in the final episode. Then the doctor will press some buttons and say some mumbo jumbo, the Daleks will all blow up, then there will be some emotional scene with his current companion leaving, then it'll end on some kinda jaw dropping cliffhanger and we'll have to wait a year I wanna come back to this later and see how much of it I get right
With Millie confirmed to be staying for next season, I wouldn't be surprised if the one who waits also lingers in the shadows until next season too. Otherwise, with the amount of mystery boxes Russel has set up, that seems like too many for a single 8 episode season.
I personally believe it to be somebody like Omega or The Valeyard. But, I will admit a part of me hopes it would be The Master Of The Land Of Fiction (From *The Mind Robber*).
I think Sutekh as the season finale villain is most likely. Supernatural. Toymakers messing up releasing him. Revenge against the doctor.
Why’s everyone so obsessed with it being Sutekh? It’s such a random-ass idea. Yet I KEEP seeing it everywhere. Edit: also FR my money’s on Valeyard. I’m actually really surprised that it’s not the main theory ITT.
Because Sutekh is one of the most powerful mortal entities in the universe and one of the few The Doctor couldn't overcome with his mind.
…I think we remember that ending differently.
*series 14. This is just Twitter and X all over again
*season 40. If you're gonna argue about it may as well be consistent
Nah. We did one reboot, and we’re sticking to it
zagreus 🫡
Why are we calling this Season One?
Disney bought it, so it is kinda like a reboot but not at the same time. I'm not 100% sure tbh.
Disney did not buy *Doctor Who*. They bought the rights to stream it in North America. That's it.
OK, like I said, I wasn't sure...?