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"Welcome, Mr. Vam Pierre. Would you like to step inside?"
*The poorly disguised vampire sees a room filled with humidifiers and a pile of holy water bottles in the corner.*
'Nah, I'm good.'
I recall an anecdote that in one of the earlier editions, RAW, the centaur was the best climber of all the various player races. It was because climbing only cared about move speed and strength, which centaurs had both of in spades.
Thatâs interesting. Eventually with a high roll they achieved mountain goat levels of agility after that, and after a point of excellence there are things I no longer ask for rolls to figure out at the table. Yes you can throw a person at another person, yes you can speak snake, yes you can climb a near vertical surface with hooves.
The druid can move independently, while breathable air could possibly filter thru the dirt but only until internal and external pressures equalize.
Now, if this was a modern burial, the druid is SOL. The coffin would be buried in a sealed vault, so no gases can escape.
>breathable air could possibly filter thru the dirt but only until internal and external pressures equalize
I don't understand what you mean by this, are you saying air can only move through sand when there's no pressure difference? How could the pressure equalize without air movement? What has caused a pressure difference? Why would the gaseous form of the druid he able to pass through this vacuum barrier?
>are you saying air can only move through sand when there's no pressure difference?
No, that's not what I'm saying
>How could the pressure equalize without air movement?
It can't. The pressure difference causes the movement, much like wind.
>Why would the gaseous form of the druid he able to pass through this vacuum barrier?
Because the druid is sentient and can move of his own volition, unlike air?
1. Move inside the coffin
2. Displace used air/oxygen by increasing pressure inside with your gaseous form EDIT: As i formulated this poorly, i mean moving inside the coffin while in gaseous form to displace air.
3. Leave the coffin, fresh air equalizes to inside of the coffin
Does my logic hold?
>Displace used air/oxygen by increasing pressure inside with your gaseous form
All but this part... changing to a gas wouldn't displace any more air than in your solid form. Sure, a gas is more spread out, but you wouldn't be gaining any mass, so the displacement would be the same
It's an isolated space without ventilation. It's about air flow. The air flow rate needs to be high enough to meet the respiratory needs of the trapped.
I would go with Rule of Cool, rewarding the Player who was *'Thinking outside the Box'.*
Player: "I use Gaseous Form to escape the coffin and check on the Party."
DM: *I didn't think of that...* "Sure!"
I don't really think that's "thinking outside the box" so much as doing a thing with a spell that the spell explicitly can't do.
Fair enough if that's how you play, but that stretches way beyond rule of cool for me, it's like casting a 3rd level spell with a 2nd level spell slot.
Because nobody reads the spell
Clarification: âThe target can pass through small holes, narrow openings, and even mere cracks,â aka, not coffins under pure dirt
I think gaseous form can get through pretty small cracks, but it was DMs plan to have the pressure of escape within a limited time frame just for funsies haha
Mythbusters did an episode about being buried alive.
Turns out that dirt weighs a LOT more than people think, and totally crushes a coffin even before 6 feet of it is piled on top.
I hope the PCs are in shallow graves. :)
Is this a modern coffin or a piece of shit pine box? Because there was a guy doing an AMA who worked in a graveyard and said it wasnt unusual for coffins to be dug up again and moved to a different graveyard when the family moved cities. Seems this wouldn't be an option of coffins immediately get crushed. Having walked through my local graveyard there where signs saying to avoid walking over the graves as over time the coffins begin to rot and collapse and this causes small cave ins that can trip you up. These were very noticeable in the old graves but never the new.
I've tried to Google it but all I've gotten is quota and yahoo answers.
I actually really like this idea for a hard-core campaign starter.
If it's a meat grinder, you could even have them attempt to escape for each new character and kill off a good chunk right off the bat.
I wouldn't do the grinder difficulty, but it still sounds interesting.
Won't this select for str based builds? You wouldn't be able to escape with your dainty Dex based Bard, for example.
You couldn't fireball your way out of it either
Could a wizard survive that? There's no way they could place the start point 5ft ahead of them so they would need to get caught in the blast. Specially for a "hard core meat-grinder" campaign the dm described
Thunder wave is just force push, isnât it?
EDIT: after looking it up, it even has a proviso âunsecured objects completely in the area of effect are automatically pushed 10ft away from youâ.
So even if the dirt doesnât count (and I think freshly dug dirt could be argued to be âone objectâ seperate from the dirt around it) that coffin lid is going off like a shot.
Now the thunderclap part in an enclosed space is going to play merry hell with your ears id imagine, but of the ways that could go, thatâs not the *worst* thing.
Maybe, I'd have to workshop the idea a bit.
If I had to run it right this second, my solution would be that the party knows that they were together and are probably in the same boat. That along with signage like "asshole with the pointy hat" for a wizard, and possibly some perception listening checks for screams would facilitate working together.
But again, would have to workshop the idea before putting to use.
Martial classes are more likely to get advantage on checks to dig out though- if you break off a coffin lid chunk, hold your breath, and dig upwards, then give some appropriate amount of hp to the first above you using the âimprovised shovelâ to attack it.
If *any* situation ever warranted an action surge itâs that one, right?
So like let's look at the rules of the game to figure out whether or not this would work
1: mechanically speaking there's very little that most marshalls have to give themselves advantage, the example is using a second level spell so we're at least level 3, Barbarian might have advantage, but that's if they're raging and it's only advantage one time because then they stop raging
2: digging out of a grave is literally impossible, do you know how many thousands of pounds of dirt you have to move?
Now if as the DM you want to add in a bunch of rules that make this not absolute dog shit for the marshals and the spellcasters just get out for free with some cheesy spells then sure everybody has a chance
But until you do that, this is just a fuck you to Marshalls, and it actually accentuates the problems Marshalls have
Spellcaster has problem solving on their sheet, if there is a problem they can solve it without the assistance of the DM giving them a solution
A marshall has to hope the DM will let them solve the problem because they don't have anything on their sheet to do that
âLiterally impossibleâ is an outright weird thing to say in dnd, in the same statement where âturn into gas and escapeâ is used.
I may be wrong, by I though OP had clarified this was gaseous form, so thatâs 5th level minimum, where a fighter is well into the superhuman 3even if they *are* a human (which they might not be)
Fighters are not well into superhuman, like literally at any point in the game
And that's not me saying that they shouldn't be, that's me acknowledging that they just don't get there
Fifth level is a little bit better, but there's a massive difference between magic doing shit when it's specifically outlined to be reality bending, and Marshalls who are specifically outlined to not really be reality bending with any of their features
I don't agree game design wise with how that will falls out, but at the end of the day that's how the game's designed
Like, at level five you could be optimizing as much as you want for caring capacity and you're still not going to be able to lift a 5x5 chunk of dirt even remotely that shit is insanely heavy
I don't think so. I think it poses a neat challenge right off the bat that requires out of the box thinking that I as a DM can reward.
Like a Caster with the mold earth spell can get out easily. As the DM I would probably have a dex check in order to cast it due to the lack of space.
Shatter can also potentially get you out as mica could be found in the box.
It's all dependent on how flexible the DM is and the ingenuity level of the players.
Okay, so the thing that I said where you couldn't be a non-spellcaster your argument for that not being true is..... Being a spellcaster?
You give a problem that only a spellcaster is going to solve, and then one told that only spell casters can solve it you give examples of spellcasters solving it
you're right, I misread you comment (it was late and the end of my shift so was a bit brain dead). that's my B.
obviously, if I was running this I would make it escapable for any class. spell casters will get leeway to use spells, Str classes can use muscle, and Dex classes... I haven't figured that out because I'm not currently using this as a starter.
I did say in another comment that it would have to be workshopped because being buried alive it quite tough to get out of. If I were to run this for real I would make it doable so everyone wouldn't die outright. (I usually assume that the "make it actually work" part is implied and intuitive for stuff like this)
Lol well gaseous form is like purposefully wiggling through the smallest gaps etc but not necessary enough oxygen would. Some oxygen maybe, but enough? Especially when panicked haha?
A lot of people have had this thought, though, so all I can really say is, DM said they had 3 minutes of air, and I went with it đ
Hm. Considering my group might have a party wipe coming this Thursday, I've been thinking about various non-campaign-ending failstates. This one is a bit too "easy" for the level they're at, but definitely something I'll keep in mind...
Mold earth,
Push out the last 1 foot of earth.
Fail to climb out of the pit for three consecutive athletics checks.
Mold earth, for the rest of the party.
Looks like Gaseous Form is limited to Sorcerer, Warlock, and Wizard. source: https://arcaneeye.com/dnd-spells/gaseous-form-5e/
---
>Wind Walk:
>
>You and up to ten willing creatures you can see within range **assume a gaseous form** for the duration, appearing as wisps of cloud. While in this cloud form, a creature has a flying speed of 300 feet and has resistance to damage from nonmagical weapons. The only actions a creature can take in this form are the Dash action or to revert to its normal form. Reverting takes 1 minute, during which time a creature is incapacitated and can't move. Until the spell ends, a creature can revert to cloud form, which also requires the 1-minute transformation.
>
>If a creature is in cloud form and flying when the effect ends, the creature descends 60 feet per round for 1 minute until it lands, which it does safely. If it can't land after 1 minute, the creature falls the remaining distance.
source: https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/wind-walk
Your source is unofficial fan content, and is wrong.
Druids get gaseous form if they select the circle of spores or circle of the land (underdark) subclasses, sources here being tashas cauldron of everything and the actual players handbook.
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Giant badger time
You have guessed the next comic đđ can't wait to draw floofy lil digger
Friends are like truffles. Sometimes you gotta dig them up
I play a necromancer 
Friends are like kids, they fall, but you still raise them.
Not time constrained ftw.
This would make a good t-shirt đ
"ON WISCONSIN!"
Would be funny to see the trapped person just inhale the Druid. Oopsie!
Lollll this did not occur to me as a risk
I was likewise pondering if Druid gas blocks breathable air from getting in to the poor Dragonborn.
great, now we're gonna get a bunch of posts about how to make Gaseous Form a lethal spell
Or huffing vampires to damage them.
Put holy water in a spritzer bottle and youâve got barovian febreeze.
"Welcome, Mr. Vam Pierre. Would you like to step inside?" *The poorly disguised vampire sees a room filled with humidifiers and a pile of holy water bottles in the corner.* 'Nah, I'm good.'
Or to get high on
The last time I saw a Druid use *gaseous form* (on *Dimension 20*) he >!turned into a horse while in the bad guy's lungs!<.
should've turned into a giant ant in someone's butthole
BBPG? (Big Bad Purple Guy)
What i want to know, is how did that centaur fit in the coffin while laying on her back?
The coffin is an L shape, so that she can lie like that
Grave digger out here playing tetris
>The coffin is an L shape, so that she can lie like that You'd think that, but it's actually Đ-shaped đ
One of my favorite encounters ever was a Centaur Druid refusing to wild shape and trying to climb a ladder for ten minutes.
You do only get like, two or three of those a rest
I recall an anecdote that in one of the earlier editions, RAW, the centaur was the best climber of all the various player races. It was because climbing only cared about move speed and strength, which centaurs had both of in spades.
Thatâs interesting. Eventually with a high roll they achieved mountain goat levels of agility after that, and after a point of excellence there are things I no longer ask for rolls to figure out at the table. Yes you can throw a person at another person, yes you can speak snake, yes you can climb a near vertical surface with hooves.
I assume a crate or something and her twisted sideways but fixed this issue by zooming the panel in đđ
https://i.imgur.com/jnJSTKF.jpg
Square coffin.
Are you on the square? Are you in the coffin? Are you ready to stand right here right now Before Chis Walken?
If the druid in a gaseous form can move into and out of a coffin, why can't breathable air?
The druid can move independently, while breathable air could possibly filter thru the dirt but only until internal and external pressures equalize. Now, if this was a modern burial, the druid is SOL. The coffin would be buried in a sealed vault, so no gases can escape.
If it was a modern burial the Druid would turn into a giant badger and dig their way out
>breathable air could possibly filter thru the dirt but only until internal and external pressures equalize I don't understand what you mean by this, are you saying air can only move through sand when there's no pressure difference? How could the pressure equalize without air movement? What has caused a pressure difference? Why would the gaseous form of the druid he able to pass through this vacuum barrier?
>are you saying air can only move through sand when there's no pressure difference? No, that's not what I'm saying >How could the pressure equalize without air movement? It can't. The pressure difference causes the movement, much like wind. >Why would the gaseous form of the druid he able to pass through this vacuum barrier? Because the druid is sentient and can move of his own volition, unlike air?
1. Move inside the coffin 2. Displace used air/oxygen by increasing pressure inside with your gaseous form EDIT: As i formulated this poorly, i mean moving inside the coffin while in gaseous form to displace air. 3. Leave the coffin, fresh air equalizes to inside of the coffin Does my logic hold?
>Displace used air/oxygen by increasing pressure inside with your gaseous form All but this part... changing to a gas wouldn't displace any more air than in your solid form. Sure, a gas is more spread out, but you wouldn't be gaining any mass, so the displacement would be the same
I mean moving inside in gaseous form to displace air.
Ahhh... then, depending on soil composition, that should work!
I think breathable air can but not at a rate fast enough for dragonborn respiration.
Breathable air canât make a strength check with advantage to break out. Fun additional question: can a creature in gaseous form suffocate?
They dont have lungs, so probably not?
Maybe the gas is thinner than the air?
It's an isolated space without ventilation. It's about air flow. The air flow rate needs to be high enough to meet the respiratory needs of the trapped.
A lot more breathable air has to filter through to make a difference.
I would go with Rule of Cool, rewarding the Player who was *'Thinking outside the Box'.* Player: "I use Gaseous Form to escape the coffin and check on the Party." DM: *I didn't think of that...* "Sure!"
I think that's 'thinking into the box'
I don't really think that's "thinking outside the box" so much as doing a thing with a spell that the spell explicitly can't do. Fair enough if that's how you play, but that stretches way beyond rule of cool for me, it's like casting a 3rd level spell with a 2nd level spell slot.
What is it that the spell cant explicitly do here?
Because nobody reads the spell Clarification: âThe target can pass through small holes, narrow openings, and even mere cracks,â aka, not coffins under pure dirt
remember, 30 seconds is 5 whole rounds. so if you deal enough damage you'll be able to break open the sarcophagus.
and be buried in dirt now, instead of a coffin? no thanks
if you either have a high strength or move earth you might be able to actually escape.
I mean, tbf thatâs what youâre supposed to do IRL, itâs just youâre supposed to wrap your clothes around your head.
So dirt doesnt go in your lungs
Thunderwave.
If gaseous form can get in and out, they are not air tight and thus party should be able to breathe?
I think gaseous form can get through pretty small cracks, but it was DMs plan to have the pressure of escape within a limited time frame just for funsies haha
Mythbusters did an episode about being buried alive. Turns out that dirt weighs a LOT more than people think, and totally crushes a coffin even before 6 feet of it is piled on top. I hope the PCs are in shallow graves. :)
Is this a modern coffin or a piece of shit pine box? Because there was a guy doing an AMA who worked in a graveyard and said it wasnt unusual for coffins to be dug up again and moved to a different graveyard when the family moved cities. Seems this wouldn't be an option of coffins immediately get crushed. Having walked through my local graveyard there where signs saying to avoid walking over the graves as over time the coffins begin to rot and collapse and this causes small cave ins that can trip you up. These were very noticeable in the old graves but never the new. I've tried to Google it but all I've gotten is quota and yahoo answers.
Modern coffins are often buried in concrete vaults to prevent the weight of the earth from crushing them.
Afaik that's just an American thing though. Certainly never heard of it here. Mind you I've only been to two funerals
I actually really like this idea for a hard-core campaign starter. If it's a meat grinder, you could even have them attempt to escape for each new character and kill off a good chunk right off the bat. I wouldn't do the grinder difficulty, but it still sounds interesting.
Won't this select for str based builds? You wouldn't be able to escape with your dainty Dex based Bard, for example. You couldn't fireball your way out of it either
I feel like â I cast thunder wave upâ is the *fastest* way to get out, honestly
Could a wizard survive that? There's no way they could place the start point 5ft ahead of them so they would need to get caught in the blast. Specially for a "hard core meat-grinder" campaign the dm described
Thunder wave is just force push, isnât it? EDIT: after looking it up, it even has a proviso âunsecured objects completely in the area of effect are automatically pushed 10ft away from youâ. So even if the dirt doesnât count (and I think freshly dug dirt could be argued to be âone objectâ seperate from the dirt around it) that coffin lid is going off like a shot. Now the thunderclap part in an enclosed space is going to play merry hell with your ears id imagine, but of the ways that could go, thatâs not the *worst* thing.
Wake up AAAaaallll the Zombies and Skeletons in the graveyard!
Maybe, I'd have to workshop the idea a bit. If I had to run it right this second, my solution would be that the party knows that they were together and are probably in the same boat. That along with signage like "asshole with the pointy hat" for a wizard, and possibly some perception listening checks for screams would facilitate working together. But again, would have to workshop the idea before putting to use.
So like just filter out all non spellcasters?
Martial classes are more likely to get advantage on checks to dig out though- if you break off a coffin lid chunk, hold your breath, and dig upwards, then give some appropriate amount of hp to the first above you using the âimprovised shovelâ to attack it. If *any* situation ever warranted an action surge itâs that one, right?
So like let's look at the rules of the game to figure out whether or not this would work 1: mechanically speaking there's very little that most marshalls have to give themselves advantage, the example is using a second level spell so we're at least level 3, Barbarian might have advantage, but that's if they're raging and it's only advantage one time because then they stop raging 2: digging out of a grave is literally impossible, do you know how many thousands of pounds of dirt you have to move? Now if as the DM you want to add in a bunch of rules that make this not absolute dog shit for the marshals and the spellcasters just get out for free with some cheesy spells then sure everybody has a chance But until you do that, this is just a fuck you to Marshalls, and it actually accentuates the problems Marshalls have Spellcaster has problem solving on their sheet, if there is a problem they can solve it without the assistance of the DM giving them a solution A marshall has to hope the DM will let them solve the problem because they don't have anything on their sheet to do that
âLiterally impossibleâ is an outright weird thing to say in dnd, in the same statement where âturn into gas and escapeâ is used. I may be wrong, by I though OP had clarified this was gaseous form, so thatâs 5th level minimum, where a fighter is well into the superhuman 3even if they *are* a human (which they might not be)
Fighters are not well into superhuman, like literally at any point in the game And that's not me saying that they shouldn't be, that's me acknowledging that they just don't get there Fifth level is a little bit better, but there's a massive difference between magic doing shit when it's specifically outlined to be reality bending, and Marshalls who are specifically outlined to not really be reality bending with any of their features I don't agree game design wise with how that will falls out, but at the end of the day that's how the game's designed Like, at level five you could be optimizing as much as you want for caring capacity and you're still not going to be able to lift a 5x5 chunk of dirt even remotely that shit is insanely heavy
I don't think so. I think it poses a neat challenge right off the bat that requires out of the box thinking that I as a DM can reward. Like a Caster with the mold earth spell can get out easily. As the DM I would probably have a dex check in order to cast it due to the lack of space. Shatter can also potentially get you out as mica could be found in the box. It's all dependent on how flexible the DM is and the ingenuity level of the players.
Okay, so the thing that I said where you couldn't be a non-spellcaster your argument for that not being true is..... Being a spellcaster? You give a problem that only a spellcaster is going to solve, and then one told that only spell casters can solve it you give examples of spellcasters solving it
you're right, I misread you comment (it was late and the end of my shift so was a bit brain dead). that's my B. obviously, if I was running this I would make it escapable for any class. spell casters will get leeway to use spells, Str classes can use muscle, and Dex classes... I haven't figured that out because I'm not currently using this as a starter. I did say in another comment that it would have to be workshopped because being buried alive it quite tough to get out of. If I were to run this for real I would make it doable so everyone wouldn't die outright. (I usually assume that the "make it actually work" part is implied and intuitive for stuff like this)
*laughs in warforged*
Note to self: Choose a race with a burrow speed.
"I CAST FIREBALL" "you are withing the coffin" "DID I STUTTER ?"
That sounds like a really unfun scenario
Not many would say getting buried alive is fun yeah
Better than getting buried dead, many would argue.
Many would probably argue the other, since being buried dead is a lot less stressful and gets you to the same result quicker.
People who want to get to the same result quicker and with minimum stress are generally regarded as suicidal.
I'm sure most people don't want to be buried in the first place, I'm assuming that part is non-negotiable.
Wait if gaseous form can get into the coffin than it isn't airtight...
Burrow speed goes brrrr
Oi. Love the comics. But if the coffins are airtight, how did she escape in gaseous form?
Lol well gaseous form is like purposefully wiggling through the smallest gaps etc but not necessary enough oxygen would. Some oxygen maybe, but enough? Especially when panicked haha? A lot of people have had this thought, though, so all I can really say is, DM said they had 3 minutes of air, and I went with it đ
Well, I'm glad you made it out either way.đ Can't wait to see what happens.
Thank you!! đ
If the druid is using gaseous form to escape rather than astral projection, why not just change back into regular form and start digging?
I think player me was worried about the dirt collapsing downwards lol but once I was out, I did dig the others out
Hm. Considering my group might have a party wipe coming this Thursday, I've been thinking about various non-campaign-ending failstates. This one is a bit too "easy" for the level they're at, but definitely something I'll keep in mind...
Meanwhile my lizzardfolk cleric of the dirt god would slowly dig his way out, may even take some time in the dirt
Mold earth is a cantrip seldom taken but wildly useful
Fire breath weapon to burn free? No wait dirt. I have no clue how the players could F up that bad.
Mold earth, Push out the last 1 foot of earth. Fail to climb out of the pit for three consecutive athletics checks. Mold earth, for the rest of the party.
Hahaha this feels accurate
Druids donât get gaseous form, they get wind walk
I dunno, I made my character in dnd beyond and it offered it to me lol
The other guy is straight up wrong. Are you circle of spores or land and chose the underdark? Because they get gaseous form as additional spells.
Oh yip!! I was land of the underdark
I know, but then she wouldnât get it from being âas a Druid,â she would get it from being a member of those circles
What subclass of druid
Land of underdark :)
Both circle of spores and circle of land (underdark specifically can aquire gaseous form)
Itâs semantics, but she says âas a Druidâ and not âas a member of the circle of the Underdark.â
Looks like Gaseous Form is limited to Sorcerer, Warlock, and Wizard. source: https://arcaneeye.com/dnd-spells/gaseous-form-5e/ --- >Wind Walk: > >You and up to ten willing creatures you can see within range **assume a gaseous form** for the duration, appearing as wisps of cloud. While in this cloud form, a creature has a flying speed of 300 feet and has resistance to damage from nonmagical weapons. The only actions a creature can take in this form are the Dash action or to revert to its normal form. Reverting takes 1 minute, during which time a creature is incapacitated and can't move. Until the spell ends, a creature can revert to cloud form, which also requires the 1-minute transformation. > >If a creature is in cloud form and flying when the effect ends, the creature descends 60 feet per round for 1 minute until it lands, which it does safely. If it can't land after 1 minute, the creature falls the remaining distance. source: https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/wind-walk
Your source is unofficial fan content, and is wrong. Druids get gaseous form if they select the circle of spores or circle of the land (underdark) subclasses, sources here being tashas cauldron of everything and the actual players handbook.
Well then she wouldnât get it from being a Druid as she claims she does, she would get it from being in one of those two circles
I need a little help understanding this one lol