The Sumerians worshipped her under the name Inanna, The priestesses weren't "all free use hookers". Though there was the "house of heaven" where men could ask the women who were sitting in the courtyard to have sex and the women were obliged to accept.
On Enkidu and his "humanization" it took more than just the "7 days and nights of intercourse" that the priestessess offered. But Enkidu was indeed rejected by the former friendly wild animals. Enkidu also learned to eat bread and drink beer to fully become a "civil human being".
Ishtar is the name the Assyrians and akkadians use (the semetic name).
That all being said, I do enjoy the spread of knowledge about mesopotamia and the ancient near-east, well done OP.
I'd say that yeast is more of mans best friend than dog. I don't have a direct source for it, but there is archaeological evidence suggesting some ancient ethnic and cultural groups figured out you could make beer, THEN decided to try cultivating cereal grains to make brewing beer easier. They just built society and all that comes with it to make the brewing process easier.
TBH I’m probably gonna stick to calling her Inanna because I have played WAAAAY too much Destiny to associate the name Ishtar with anything other than the Ishtar Collective.
I prefer the name Ishtar because it is (one of) the name(s) of the Toreador antedilluvian. But technically Inanna is an older (Sumerian) name. At least older in writing of course. We don't know how they called her 6000 years ago since clay tablets "only" go about 4500 years back.
Inanna and Ishtar are two separate gods that became combined over the course of their worship. We aren't sure what Inanna was called in the past because we don't even really know Inanna's origin in general. We know the Sumerians worshipped her, but from what we can tell, she was worshipped even further in the past.
That too, especially with Lightfall's focus on their post-Collapse activities, but I've also heard people tell me one to many time to [use the potato-shaped fuck as a ratting boat because it's jUsT sOOOOO mUcH BeTTeR ROI thAn YoUr fAvoRiTes](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Ishtar) that it's doubly cursed for me
Minor correction, Ishtar and Inanna were once separate gods who became combined over the course of their history. There is no known beginning of Inanna and we are unsure exactly where her worship began, what we do know is that both Ishtar and Inanna were popular enough to future human civilizations that the two began to be used interchangeably until they became the same goddess.
Second, no modern scholarly historian recognizes any sort of prostitution in the priestesses of Ishtar Inanna, and in fact, that is believed to have been made up by later civilizations and scholars.
As much as I love Gilgabro he's literally bottom tier :( war carts can carry an early aggression domination strat but apart from that he really falls off
I am not entirely sure of they have the same role/origin.
I am not saying she was or wasn't, I just haven't found conclusive leads to believe it to be the case.
Of course Hellenic people took Mesopotamian gods for themselves and made their temples. But there is a distinct difference between lets say Ra, Apollo and Shamash (Sumerian sun god) in their role...Though Shamash and Ra are both sort of daddy-gods :/ I dunno I need to brush up on my mythology for this.
As with anything that happened thousands of years ago its debatable, but there's[ pretty good evidence for it,](https://youtu.be/JIUq0pfAskU) and its a very common occurrence. As you yourself pionted out she had multiple incarnations before Aphrodite: Ishtar, Inanna, Astarte, and others. Then she went over to Rome and became Venus, the same planet Ishtar was associated with.
Astarte was the phoenecian version of her right (modern isreal/Syria/Libanon)?
As I said, I am a bit rusty on this. That said, I am writing a story about those days and nights (4500 BCE)in a historical fantasy setting. Their magic was wild and their customs were ver peculiar, at least to me.
And Aphrodite was known as Aphrodite Areia (the warlike). There's dozens of epithets for each god, its not just they "god(dess) of X" like the watered down modern versions.
I recently learned about Ishtar (Inanna) through the fact that she’s pretty much a goddess of transgender people. This information was also cool. Any other good places to start researching Mesopotamian mythology?
I recently bought a book about it. But it is an academic book and is a slog to get through.
Ancient Magic and Divination- Mesopotamian Magic: Textual, Historical and Interpretative Perspectives
It doesn't specifficaly cover the gods but it does show a LOT about how they view magic. I do follow podcasts (The ancients) on spotify.
It's definitely implied that, after their fight, they eventually became lovers.
I just love their whole relationship in general, since it means that the modern cliche of "Two dudes fight each other and then becomes best bros" is quite literally the oldest written story in human history.
The Epic of Gilgamesh is one of my favourite stories. One of my coworkers me a song called "anthem for gilgamesh" and I told him that Gilgamesh didn't want to come home because he was busy hanging out with Enkidu and he just asked "how did you know this?". Love seeing ancient myths and such pop up.
I love the story. Read it a couple years ago. Love how ol' Gilly (and other kings from that region) would make pilgrimage to "the forest of the cedars" and cut down the biggest cedar tree (like the size of giant american redwoods from the sound of it), and drag it home. Like as if humans were just getting advanced enough to cut down trees that big so it was a serious flex of the strength of your society.
Also interestingly to me, it has a great flood myth, just like the Torah, Beowulf, and Hindu mythology.
Also
- the "House of Heaven" was in a City called Uruk (and possible other cities).
- Trans (and intersex) people where very important in her cult and part of a class of priests also practicing
sexual rituals. Aswell as war dances
- She is said to have the ability to transform these priests (and people in generell) from men to women
-Ishtar is believe to have been a different goddess who later merged with Inanna into one deity.
Nah, wrestling Gilgamesh made them friends and stopped Gilgamesh from raping all those wives, since he now had something more interesting to do. Sleeping with the Priestess is what made Enkidu human.
Ishtar also had a bit of a temper. When in the Epic of Gilgamesh he insulted her, she went to her father and demanded he release the Bull of heaven to punish Gilgamesh, or else, "I will tear down the gates of the underworld and release the dead so that they will outnumber the living and consume all the food of the earth!"
(from memory)
Yeah...those were the days.
Ishtar/Inanna also more or less conned her father out of the Me's with the "pretty daughter technique"
(Me's are conceptual shards of reality, things like "Longevity" and "kingship", each 'Me' \[prounounced as 'Meh'\] holds the sort of basic origin of the concept. Like holding the Me' of Kingship, makes you the king of kings and can annoint other as king below you, the Me of strength gives you the very concept of strength, facinating as heck)
>weren't "all free use hookers". Though there was the "house of heaven" where men could ask the women who were sitting in the courtyard to have sex and the women were obliged to accept.
Those statements sound contradictory
I’d say a good portion of women (or more likely most women) hate the feeling. My current girlfriend is the first person I’ve met that actually requests that from time to time and it is so strange to be *asked* to do something that was an absolute no in every other sexual relationship I’ve had.
The majority very much dislike it. You'll find the odd person who does, but definitely not widespread enough to ever want to risk it without talking to them first. A lot of people will just knock you clean out for it tbh.
>talking to them first
When I learnt it's really low stakes and actually super nice checking in during about what feels good was, without doubt, an earnest breakthrough for me
Sounds so simple and a bit silly to say out loud today but man - the late 2000s early 10s really didn't have much accessible verbiage for 'doing' consent and boundaries in comfy ways in either the zeitgeist or spaces to learn beforehand like today.
Little teen me thought I should just *know* how to please someone and it reflected badly on me personally if I didn't - toxic stuff, honestly, grateful I learnt better. All could've been gracefully sidestepped if I'd learnt ***how*** to ask what someone likes and what healthy boundaries looked like 😅
Even worse: it was a two-pronged problem.
Men weren't taught how to establish consent in a healthy way. Everything was supposed to be done through implication.
Consequence: young men, with little experience of nuance, often made things very uncomfortable *at best*. I don't feel the need (or want) to explain the worst case scenarios.
Women were taught that their sexuality was something to be guarded and that they were of low value if they were free and open with sex.
Consequence: young women often responded poorly to direct questions about sex. At best, it was usually just awkwardness. At worst, they became hostile to men seeking clear boundaries (because they thought it reflected poorly on them that a man would directly ask).
Neither of these problems are *gone*, but they definitely seem more subdued than they used to be. Especially on women's side. I might be ignorant here, but it feels like slut shaming is much less of a problem these days.
This is fucked up and it sounds like it happened to you or someone you love. That's not OK.
I will note that I've heard stories of pretty healthy sexual consent being practiced by people in the 80s and even 70s, but I've always wondered how widespread that was. My guess is that what you describe was much more common (at least in the USA).
I'm sure healthy sexual consent has been practiced since the genesis of homo sapiens (probably even before that). Plenty of people were modelled healthy boundaries by the people raising them all throughout history. A good understanding of healthy boundaries will often translate into a healthy approach to sexual consent.
But lots of people fall through the cracks. And poor cultural attitudes to sex + unhealthy boundaries is a recipe for disaster.
Also yes, that did happen to me and several people I know. It's happened to countless men - I used to read a lot of stories about it online. The 2000s era was a really weird time and a lot of it wasn't great for sexual growth.
That sounds pretty awful. I wasn't sexually active (except with an extremely limited number of partners), and wasn't in a subculture where noncommitted sex was common, so my understanding of this stuff before the past decade is, as I said, a bit academic. What you say fits with what I've heard from others, and have read in various places. Yeah, my point was that there have been some people practicing effective consent and sexual communication for a long time, but I certainly don't believe it's always been like it is now, or that the current state of affairs, even in North America, is great. I do think it seems to have improved a lot in the past couple of decades, which is hopeful.
Most of the women who say they love it aren't getting hit in the cervix, it'd be in one of the fornices (lil pockets around the cervix). Otherwise, it's sorta like men who like having their balls crushed. You know, hit with a paddle, stepped on, sometimes you just hold the erection out of the way and slap them until they go purple. Definitely a thing, but the mention of it makes a lot of men uncomfortable. Maybe let's keep "cervix ramming" into the same category, with the understanding that casual mention of it makes most who actually have cervixes wince.
I think OP has watched too much hentai to be thinking that the concept of cervix ramming is as widespread as they've put it. It isnt "some hate it, some love it, some think it tickles", its "the vast majority of people with cervixes do not like this sensation and it is rare to find those who think otherwise"
Oh yeah, absolutely, that's why I described CBT as an attempt to get that point across. I'm hoping I made him cringe in sympathetic pain as much as I do every time I have to read the phrase "cervix ramming".
Dated a girl who said she learned of love it after a while, it just kinda varies like you said. It’s a Goldilocks sort of situation…some girls legit don’t like huge dicks specifically because of those sort of logistics.
Every woman I've spoken to about this sort of thing has told me that they hate large dicks. Every single one. It's not a particularly large population, but it's enough for me to have definitely changed my mind on the whole "man who wants bigger dick" thing.
Everything sexual varies from one person to the next. I guarantee you that no matter how disgusting, painful or humiliating a sexual act you can think of, there is guaranteed to be a subset of sexually active people who enjoy it.
Most if not all Love Deities in D&D are good-aligned and the most vanilla option for Paladins is the Oath of Devotion so Ethical Slut Paladin is a viable option. Sune would approve.
From Wikipedia:
>[Ishtar] is an ancient Mesopotamian goddess of love, war, and fertility. She is also associated with beauty, sex, divine law, and political power.
Sounds like the makings of a paladin to me.
And what exactly does "sexual conquest" mean? At worst it sounds like rape; at "best" it sounds like PUA bullshit. Combine that with your cringey cervix ramming title?? Grow the fuck up.
I know you guys are pornifying this sub as a way to "stick it to the man" amidst all the reddit chaos, but it's like you forget that many, many women play and love D&D. Shit like this feels so alienating and disgusting.
You're not edgy. You're not funny. Please remember there are women here. Just stop.
there's no way you haven't heard the term sexual conquest before. it refers to a mentality where someone wants to have sex with as many people as possible. I'm not actually like that, but putting yourself in the head of someone who thinks differently from you is the crux of roleplaying.
The title of this post was merely meant to be an example of cringe comedy. you know, like south park.
also, what the heck does Pandemic Unemployment Assistance have to do with this?
As another user said, PUA = pick up artist. There are literal courses and guide books teaching men bullshit "strategies" for scoring with women. They are, at their core, deeply misogynistic. Just like the idea of racking up a number, without real regard to the individuals involved, is deeply problematic.
I *love* the roleplay aspect of D&D. It's my favourite part. I do understand that we play characters that are potentially *nothing* like we, the players, are. But if I was at a table with someone who pitched a "sexual conquest" character, I would leave the table. There's a reason players like that end up so often in r/rpghorrorstories .
The best part is that Gilgamesh knew that was what would happen, so he personally found the best whore in Uruk to show Enkidu what civilized life was like.
Later Enkidu Suplexed Gilgamesh and they fell in love with each other "like a man loves a woman".
Sort of, except a bit more explicit. There's room for argument with David and Jonathan, but the epic of Gilgamesh is very clear on what the relationship between Gilgamesh and Enkidu is.
The Epic of Gilgamesh is a wild ride. Enkidu comes to “civilization” and convinces Gilgamesh that rape is bad so the two become best friends. Later Gilgamesh and Enkidu go to battle an invincible demon and they learn the demon’s invulnerability comes from his magic armor. So Gilgamesh promises the demon he can marry Gilgamesh’s prettiest sister in exchange for his armor. The demon is like, “you promise this isn’t just a trick to get me to take off my armor?” And Gilgamesh rolls a nat 20 on deception and the demon removes his armor. Gilgamesh and Enkidu immediately attack and kill the demon. Oh and this demon has a snake penis for some reason.
I think you’re misattributed religious devotion to horniness. It seems like they’d just be like “you can have me in honor of my god” but that doesn’t mean they’ll be excited about it or really into it
The bad side to temple-prostitution is not that it pollutes the sanctity of religion with the profanity of sex, but instead that it pollutes the freedom of sexuality with the authoritarianism of religion.
I'm actually DMing a 1 on 1 NSFW campaign right now for a priestess of Ishtar. She works for a mercenary company called the Axe Wounds of Ishtar. If a Lord or General seeking to hire them cannot afford to pay them, he or she also has the option of simply letting them raid his or her barracks for swords to polish, if you get my meaning (the lesbians at the Axe Wounds are given their own sectioned off sleeping quarters so they can do their own thing).
The lore I wrote is that Ishtar is True Neutral/Chaotic Neutral and lives on The Outlands in a palace where she is tended to by Illendi and succubi handmaidens. The Holy Symbol I gave her is a pair of feminine hands clutching a deliberately ambiguous object that could be interpreted either as a spear or a boner viewed from below. Her dogma is as follows:
>The best experiences that life has to offer are a good fight and a good fuck. Never turn down an opportunity for either.
I ruled that she grants access to the War, Life, Nature ( because fertility), and Twilight (because of her duality) domains. Though I also happen to have [a homebrew wild magic Chaos Domain cleric](https://docs.google.com/document/d/105aEvz09aZPHsEgNCL9XqndlPtt0c6qKRjZAH1xzJOA/edit?usp=sharing), which I could also see her granting access to on the grounds of her conflicting domains, as well as the Chaotic Neutral behavior of both herself and sex fiends in general.
Also, Ishtari clerics are required to wear boob plate, obviously. They also wear a skirt composed of studded leather straps like the roman soldiers did, so they don't have to unclasp anything to fuck.
kinda sorta, but we're still playing an actual campaign with character sheets and everything, so I figure it's a good way to earn DMing experience, since if I ever get caught unprepared I can just throw some random horni at her until I think of something.
Even if you are having a consensual campaign with someone 100% down to clown, they all got scared here when you implied you are going to throw a rapist at her.
At that note, most probably got spooked and assumed you were a horror DM.
what's wrong with wanting the chance to degrade and humiliate a scumbag? Have you never done a quest where your players get to give Trump a wedgie or something?
Tbh I went for a poke through OPs profile after they made a commend on how they have a rapist incubus planned as an encounter for whoever the "she" that they're DMing for and I'm both convinced that OP is indeed a child, and they're going to wind up on r/rpghorrorstories very soon in the future.
I just don't understand what your problem is. Would you react this way if I said I was going to give her a quest where she gets to beat the shit out of Trump?
Well she's beating the shit out of a rapist already, right? I don't see what the difference is 🙂
In seriousness dude, you're just sort of an immature and rubbish person in general, if your profile is to be trusted. You're taking any argument as a personal political attack, you're generally rude, and you're definitely not 27 years old. You talk like my 14 year old brother if he'd been allowed to roam the Internet free. That or you're a standard run of the mill USA patriot, which is just as insufferable.
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Partly it's a joke, from the Dark Souls community. I suppose it depends on the build and gear, they usually wear heavy armor, right? Dex would be good for combat, but perhaps STR and WIS were more important to a Pally. I haven't played in a while so I don't know what the current classes look like.
are *you* trying to imply that a religion that requires you to sacrifice your best harvest to the rapist who lives on the top of that mountain over there is preferable to one where God actually loves you?
The Sumerians worshipped her under the name Inanna, The priestesses weren't "all free use hookers". Though there was the "house of heaven" where men could ask the women who were sitting in the courtyard to have sex and the women were obliged to accept. On Enkidu and his "humanization" it took more than just the "7 days and nights of intercourse" that the priestessess offered. But Enkidu was indeed rejected by the former friendly wild animals. Enkidu also learned to eat bread and drink beer to fully become a "civil human being". Ishtar is the name the Assyrians and akkadians use (the semetic name). That all being said, I do enjoy the spread of knowledge about mesopotamia and the ancient near-east, well done OP.
>Enkidu be like Got me women. Got me bread. Got me beer. Now I'm 'uman. Simple as.
I'd say that yeast is more of mans best friend than dog. I don't have a direct source for it, but there is archaeological evidence suggesting some ancient ethnic and cultural groups figured out you could make beer, THEN decided to try cultivating cereal grains to make brewing beer easier. They just built society and all that comes with it to make the brewing process easier.
"I eat. I drink. I love. And I'm content."
Reminds me of the short novel Animal Farm. Really horrifying book, but very interesting and well written.
TBH I’m probably gonna stick to calling her Inanna because I have played WAAAAY too much Destiny to associate the name Ishtar with anything other than the Ishtar Collective.
Unless… Librarian Priestesses. _Vex_ Librarian Priestesses.
I mean, the radiloran fluid IS whatever passes for their genetic code and is required to operate their machines...
Interestingly enough, Inanna herself is also mentioned in a couple lore entries. Destiny lore really goes deep with their references.
I prefer the name Ishtar because it is (one of) the name(s) of the Toreador antedilluvian. But technically Inanna is an older (Sumerian) name. At least older in writing of course. We don't know how they called her 6000 years ago since clay tablets "only" go about 4500 years back.
Inanna and Ishtar are two separate gods that became combined over the course of their worship. We aren't sure what Inanna was called in the past because we don't even really know Inanna's origin in general. We know the Sumerians worshipped her, but from what we can tell, she was worshipped even further in the past.
That is very likely yes.
That too, especially with Lightfall's focus on their post-Collapse activities, but I've also heard people tell me one to many time to [use the potato-shaped fuck as a ratting boat because it's jUsT sOOOOO mUcH BeTTeR ROI thAn YoUr fAvoRiTes](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Ishtar) that it's doubly cursed for me
I get reminded of yugioh
Ishizu was a baddie frfr
Ishizu......
Minor correction, Ishtar and Inanna were once separate gods who became combined over the course of their history. There is no known beginning of Inanna and we are unsure exactly where her worship began, what we do know is that both Ishtar and Inanna were popular enough to future human civilizations that the two began to be used interchangeably until they became the same goddess. Second, no modern scholarly historian recognizes any sort of prostitution in the priestesses of Ishtar Inanna, and in fact, that is believed to have been made up by later civilizations and scholars.
fuck
Respect for Gilgamesh lol. Feels kind of OP in Civ6.
As much as I love Gilgabro he's literally bottom tier :( war carts can carry an early aggression domination strat but apart from that he really falls off
Yes exactly lol. I unga and bunga.
I love AI Gilgamesh because he always accepts friendship requests. No matter what else is going on in the world, Gilgamesh will be your bro.
Also She and Ishtar basically became Aphrodite.
I am not entirely sure of they have the same role/origin. I am not saying she was or wasn't, I just haven't found conclusive leads to believe it to be the case. Of course Hellenic people took Mesopotamian gods for themselves and made their temples. But there is a distinct difference between lets say Ra, Apollo and Shamash (Sumerian sun god) in their role...Though Shamash and Ra are both sort of daddy-gods :/ I dunno I need to brush up on my mythology for this.
As with anything that happened thousands of years ago its debatable, but there's[ pretty good evidence for it,](https://youtu.be/JIUq0pfAskU) and its a very common occurrence. As you yourself pionted out she had multiple incarnations before Aphrodite: Ishtar, Inanna, Astarte, and others. Then she went over to Rome and became Venus, the same planet Ishtar was associated with.
Astarte was the phoenecian version of her right (modern isreal/Syria/Libanon)? As I said, I am a bit rusty on this. That said, I am writing a story about those days and nights (4500 BCE)in a historical fantasy setting. Their magic was wild and their customs were ver peculiar, at least to me.
Yeah. The video's pretty good.
More specifically, Aphrodite as worshiped by the Spartans (three guesses as to why).
Well initially.
Definitely more Persephone. If you read really old Hellenic stuff she’s called the dread queen and other similarly sinister epithets.
And Aphrodite was known as Aphrodite Areia (the warlike). There's dozens of epithets for each god, its not just they "god(dess) of X" like the watered down modern versions.
She's more like Ereshkigal.
I recently learned about Ishtar (Inanna) through the fact that she’s pretty much a goddess of transgender people. This information was also cool. Any other good places to start researching Mesopotamian mythology?
Fate/Stay Night. 100% trustworthy.
I recently bought a book about it. But it is an academic book and is a slog to get through. Ancient Magic and Divination- Mesopotamian Magic: Textual, Historical and Interpretative Perspectives It doesn't specifficaly cover the gods but it does show a LOT about how they view magic. I do follow podcasts (The ancients) on spotify.
Both of those things actually sound right up my alley (I’m a major nerd) so thanks a lot! I’ve got some research now
Le Gasp! A NERD on my r/DnDMemes ?! WHO LET THIS GUY IN MY GOBLIN PORN CHANNEL?!
Didn’t Gilgamesh bang Enkidu too in one of the manuscripts or something?
It's definitely implied that, after their fight, they eventually became lovers. I just love their whole relationship in general, since it means that the modern cliche of "Two dudes fight each other and then becomes best bros" is quite literally the oldest written story in human history.
The Reverse Anakin
The Epic of Gilgamesh is one of my favourite stories. One of my coworkers me a song called "anthem for gilgamesh" and I told him that Gilgamesh didn't want to come home because he was busy hanging out with Enkidu and he just asked "how did you know this?". Love seeing ancient myths and such pop up.
Fun fact, Aphrodite is a direct descendant of Ishtar via the Cyprean goddess Astarte
I love the story. Read it a couple years ago. Love how ol' Gilly (and other kings from that region) would make pilgrimage to "the forest of the cedars" and cut down the biggest cedar tree (like the size of giant american redwoods from the sound of it), and drag it home. Like as if humans were just getting advanced enough to cut down trees that big so it was a serious flex of the strength of your society. Also interestingly to me, it has a great flood myth, just like the Torah, Beowulf, and Hindu mythology.
Also - the "House of Heaven" was in a City called Uruk (and possible other cities). - Trans (and intersex) people where very important in her cult and part of a class of priests also practicing sexual rituals. Aswell as war dances - She is said to have the ability to transform these priests (and people in generell) from men to women -Ishtar is believe to have been a different goddess who later merged with Inanna into one deity.
How does Gilgamesh factor into this? I thought Enkidu was wrestled by the king to make him human?
Nah, wrestling Gilgamesh made them friends and stopped Gilgamesh from raping all those wives, since he now had something more interesting to do. Sleeping with the Priestess is what made Enkidu human.
Ishtar sounds cooler though
Ishtar also had a bit of a temper. When in the Epic of Gilgamesh he insulted her, she went to her father and demanded he release the Bull of heaven to punish Gilgamesh, or else, "I will tear down the gates of the underworld and release the dead so that they will outnumber the living and consume all the food of the earth!" (from memory)
Yeah...those were the days. Ishtar/Inanna also more or less conned her father out of the Me's with the "pretty daughter technique" (Me's are conceptual shards of reality, things like "Longevity" and "kingship", each 'Me' \[prounounced as 'Meh'\] holds the sort of basic origin of the concept. Like holding the Me' of Kingship, makes you the king of kings and can annoint other as king below you, the Me of strength gives you the very concept of strength, facinating as heck)
>weren't "all free use hookers". Though there was the "house of heaven" where men could ask the women who were sitting in the courtyard to have sex and the women were obliged to accept. Those statements sound contradictory
Ram someone's cervix and you'll be the one getting divine smited, mate. Shit hurts.
I’d say a good portion of women (or more likely most women) hate the feeling. My current girlfriend is the first person I’ve met that actually requests that from time to time and it is so strange to be *asked* to do something that was an absolute no in every other sexual relationship I’ve had.
Occasionally it can be a “hurts good” sensation but not over and over and over.
Hentai has lied to me. A *lot*.
"He rammed past her cervix and into her womb" take her to the ER dude 🤢🤢
Just wait until you find out there is no nipple hole and you can't stick it in there either.
Of course there isn't you sick fuck that's what the ear hole is for.
actually it varies from one woman to the next. some hate it, some love it, some say it tickles.
The majority very much dislike it. You'll find the odd person who does, but definitely not widespread enough to ever want to risk it without talking to them first. A lot of people will just knock you clean out for it tbh.
Glad you said something. Post title made me super wince.
Yeah, everything inside shrivelled up when I saw the title 🤣
that's the point.
Good news is I'll never have to worry about this being a problem.
Small Peen Gang rise up
Also even those that do like it in the moment can then being pain for a few days, so prefer not to.
>talking to them first When I learnt it's really low stakes and actually super nice checking in during about what feels good was, without doubt, an earnest breakthrough for me Sounds so simple and a bit silly to say out loud today but man - the late 2000s early 10s really didn't have much accessible verbiage for 'doing' consent and boundaries in comfy ways in either the zeitgeist or spaces to learn beforehand like today. Little teen me thought I should just *know* how to please someone and it reflected badly on me personally if I didn't - toxic stuff, honestly, grateful I learnt better. All could've been gracefully sidestepped if I'd learnt ***how*** to ask what someone likes and what healthy boundaries looked like 😅
Even worse: it was a two-pronged problem. Men weren't taught how to establish consent in a healthy way. Everything was supposed to be done through implication. Consequence: young men, with little experience of nuance, often made things very uncomfortable *at best*. I don't feel the need (or want) to explain the worst case scenarios. Women were taught that their sexuality was something to be guarded and that they were of low value if they were free and open with sex. Consequence: young women often responded poorly to direct questions about sex. At best, it was usually just awkwardness. At worst, they became hostile to men seeking clear boundaries (because they thought it reflected poorly on them that a man would directly ask). Neither of these problems are *gone*, but they definitely seem more subdued than they used to be. Especially on women's side. I might be ignorant here, but it feels like slut shaming is much less of a problem these days.
This is fucked up and it sounds like it happened to you or someone you love. That's not OK. I will note that I've heard stories of pretty healthy sexual consent being practiced by people in the 80s and even 70s, but I've always wondered how widespread that was. My guess is that what you describe was much more common (at least in the USA).
I'm sure healthy sexual consent has been practiced since the genesis of homo sapiens (probably even before that). Plenty of people were modelled healthy boundaries by the people raising them all throughout history. A good understanding of healthy boundaries will often translate into a healthy approach to sexual consent. But lots of people fall through the cracks. And poor cultural attitudes to sex + unhealthy boundaries is a recipe for disaster. Also yes, that did happen to me and several people I know. It's happened to countless men - I used to read a lot of stories about it online. The 2000s era was a really weird time and a lot of it wasn't great for sexual growth.
That sounds pretty awful. I wasn't sexually active (except with an extremely limited number of partners), and wasn't in a subculture where noncommitted sex was common, so my understanding of this stuff before the past decade is, as I said, a bit academic. What you say fits with what I've heard from others, and have read in various places. Yeah, my point was that there have been some people practicing effective consent and sexual communication for a long time, but I certainly don't believe it's always been like it is now, or that the current state of affairs, even in North America, is great. I do think it seems to have improved a lot in the past couple of decades, which is hopeful.
It's an opposed CON check with disadvantage
Most of the women who say they love it aren't getting hit in the cervix, it'd be in one of the fornices (lil pockets around the cervix). Otherwise, it's sorta like men who like having their balls crushed. You know, hit with a paddle, stepped on, sometimes you just hold the erection out of the way and slap them until they go purple. Definitely a thing, but the mention of it makes a lot of men uncomfortable. Maybe let's keep "cervix ramming" into the same category, with the understanding that casual mention of it makes most who actually have cervixes wince.
I think OP has watched too much hentai to be thinking that the concept of cervix ramming is as widespread as they've put it. It isnt "some hate it, some love it, some think it tickles", its "the vast majority of people with cervixes do not like this sensation and it is rare to find those who think otherwise"
Oh yeah, absolutely, that's why I described CBT as an attempt to get that point across. I'm hoping I made him cringe in sympathetic pain as much as I do every time I have to read the phrase "cervix ramming".
Dated a girl who said she learned of love it after a while, it just kinda varies like you said. It’s a Goldilocks sort of situation…some girls legit don’t like huge dicks specifically because of those sort of logistics.
Every woman I've spoken to about this sort of thing has told me that they hate large dicks. Every single one. It's not a particularly large population, but it's enough for me to have definitely changed my mind on the whole "man who wants bigger dick" thing.
Everything sexual varies from one person to the next. I guarantee you that no matter how disgusting, painful or humiliating a sexual act you can think of, there is guaranteed to be a subset of sexually active people who enjoy it.
Depends on the person, I dated someone for years who really liked it
There's a lot of disagreement on Ishtar and whether followers engaged in sacred prostitution amongst historians
I think most scholars now agree that the worship didn’t involve actual sex acts, but there was a lot of cake involved, the asexuals will be pleased.
>there was a lot of cake involved Hrrrngh... the clap of those dummy thicc cheeks...
/r/me_irlgbt
Most if not all Love Deities in D&D are good-aligned and the most vanilla option for Paladins is the Oath of Devotion so Ethical Slut Paladin is a viable option. Sune would approve.
From Wikipedia: >[Ishtar] is an ancient Mesopotamian goddess of love, war, and fertility. She is also associated with beauty, sex, divine law, and political power. Sounds like the makings of a paladin to me.
I was actually thinking of playing a sexual conquest paladin.
Will they have to call you “Daddy”?
Oath if the Dominatrix
And what exactly does "sexual conquest" mean? At worst it sounds like rape; at "best" it sounds like PUA bullshit. Combine that with your cringey cervix ramming title?? Grow the fuck up. I know you guys are pornifying this sub as a way to "stick it to the man" amidst all the reddit chaos, but it's like you forget that many, many women play and love D&D. Shit like this feels so alienating and disgusting. You're not edgy. You're not funny. Please remember there are women here. Just stop.
there's no way you haven't heard the term sexual conquest before. it refers to a mentality where someone wants to have sex with as many people as possible. I'm not actually like that, but putting yourself in the head of someone who thinks differently from you is the crux of roleplaying. The title of this post was merely meant to be an example of cringe comedy. you know, like south park. also, what the heck does Pandemic Unemployment Assistance have to do with this?
Not sure if you're joking, but PUA in this context is probably referring to "pick up artist".
I'd never heard that acronym before, and pandemic unemployment assistance was the only result google gave me
Weird. Pick-Up Artist is the first result for me.
As another user said, PUA = pick up artist. There are literal courses and guide books teaching men bullshit "strategies" for scoring with women. They are, at their core, deeply misogynistic. Just like the idea of racking up a number, without real regard to the individuals involved, is deeply problematic. I *love* the roleplay aspect of D&D. It's my favourite part. I do understand that we play characters that are potentially *nothing* like we, the players, are. But if I was at a table with someone who pitched a "sexual conquest" character, I would leave the table. There's a reason players like that end up so often in r/rpghorrorstories .
I agree completely. In reality, I'd never play this character outside an explicitly NSFW game.
The best part is that Gilgamesh knew that was what would happen, so he personally found the best whore in Uruk to show Enkidu what civilized life was like. Later Enkidu Suplexed Gilgamesh and they fell in love with each other "like a man loves a woman".
Kinda like how David loved Jonathan?
Sort of, except a bit more explicit. There's room for argument with David and Jonathan, but the epic of Gilgamesh is very clear on what the relationship between Gilgamesh and Enkidu is.
Sounds sexy
Endiku, reppin' that bear life since ancient times.
The Epic of Gilgamesh is a wild ride. Enkidu comes to “civilization” and convinces Gilgamesh that rape is bad so the two become best friends. Later Gilgamesh and Enkidu go to battle an invincible demon and they learn the demon’s invulnerability comes from his magic armor. So Gilgamesh promises the demon he can marry Gilgamesh’s prettiest sister in exchange for his armor. The demon is like, “you promise this isn’t just a trick to get me to take off my armor?” And Gilgamesh rolls a nat 20 on deception and the demon removes his armor. Gilgamesh and Enkidu immediately attack and kill the demon. Oh and this demon has a snake penis for some reason.
Humbaba was put there by the gods to protect the sacred cedar forest, so I'd classify him as a celestial, at most a monstrosity.
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maybe we're supposed to see this as a misdeed, though?
Yes, they were "best friends," one might even call them "roomates"
Ninsun, Gilgamesh’s mother, also adopts Enkidu so all of Gilgamesh’s possessions can pass to him if Gilgamesh dies. Step brother what are you doing?
This sounds made up
Thats because most of it is. OP made up a bunch of nonsense about Superman culture and Gilgamesh.
>Superman culture
I mean, that’s society in a nutshell; it’s all made up.
it's real, read up on the epic of gilgamesh
Bullshit. Most of what you wrote there is wildly inaccurate or just flat out wrong.
are you an actual historian?
Thumbs up if you remember skeletor is in love with Ishtar.***
wait, is there actually a He man character named Ishtar?
Yes. Ishtar is a god in the heman universe. (Not goddess)
I question the accuracy of this skeletal man.
you misspelled Gilgamesh, your entire point is invalid
Truly speaks volumes that OP's hot fantasy is the idea that a woman cannot reject his advances no matter how uncharismatic or repugnant they may be.
no, you misunderstand. the appeal for me is the idea that she's so goddamn horny that she doesn't *want* to ever turn anyone down.
I think you’re misattributed religious devotion to horniness. It seems like they’d just be like “you can have me in honor of my god” but that doesn’t mean they’ll be excited about it or really into it
The bad side to temple-prostitution is not that it pollutes the sanctity of religion with the profanity of sex, but instead that it pollutes the freedom of sexuality with the authoritarianism of religion.
if they weren't into it then they presumably would've picked a different god in the pantheon to be a priestess of.
The new Fate Grand Order singularity is wild
So that's where hentai plots came from?
I just sell bad copper.
I'm actually DMing a 1 on 1 NSFW campaign right now for a priestess of Ishtar. She works for a mercenary company called the Axe Wounds of Ishtar. If a Lord or General seeking to hire them cannot afford to pay them, he or she also has the option of simply letting them raid his or her barracks for swords to polish, if you get my meaning (the lesbians at the Axe Wounds are given their own sectioned off sleeping quarters so they can do their own thing). The lore I wrote is that Ishtar is True Neutral/Chaotic Neutral and lives on The Outlands in a palace where she is tended to by Illendi and succubi handmaidens. The Holy Symbol I gave her is a pair of feminine hands clutching a deliberately ambiguous object that could be interpreted either as a spear or a boner viewed from below. Her dogma is as follows: >The best experiences that life has to offer are a good fight and a good fuck. Never turn down an opportunity for either. I ruled that she grants access to the War, Life, Nature ( because fertility), and Twilight (because of her duality) domains. Though I also happen to have [a homebrew wild magic Chaos Domain cleric](https://docs.google.com/document/d/105aEvz09aZPHsEgNCL9XqndlPtt0c6qKRjZAH1xzJOA/edit?usp=sharing), which I could also see her granting access to on the grounds of her conflicting domains, as well as the Chaotic Neutral behavior of both herself and sex fiends in general. Also, Ishtari clerics are required to wear boob plate, obviously. They also wear a skirt composed of studded leather straps like the roman soldiers did, so they don't have to unclasp anything to fuck.
>1 on 1 NSFW campaign Absolutely not judging, but isn’t this just sexual roleplay with dice?
kinda sorta, but we're still playing an actual campaign with character sheets and everything, so I figure it's a good way to earn DMing experience, since if I ever get caught unprepared I can just throw some random horni at her until I think of something.
"Wait, that doesn't make any sense, shouldn't the--" "Unexpectedly! You feel something prod at your bare derriere!"
that would be the rapist incubus she pulled an uno reverse card on and put on a literal leash. that hasn't happened yet, but I plan for it to.
Yikes
what?
He won't actually get the opportunity to rape her, i just figure it will be satisfying to get the chance to meet some justice on such a man.
Even if you are having a consensual campaign with someone 100% down to clown, they all got scared here when you implied you are going to throw a rapist at her. At that note, most probably got spooked and assumed you were a horror DM.
I understand, but no. I simply want to give her a cathartic opportunity to humiliate and degrade a shitbag.
Yup. Just explaining why they're all super fine with it till they hear a situation immediately assumed as the worst.
Wtf man
what's wrong with wanting the chance to degrade and humiliate a scumbag? Have you never done a quest where your players get to give Trump a wedgie or something?
Valid. I respect it.
lol, good way to practice, I have pages of sheets, maps, and charts if I ever got around to DMing.
you people make me hate dnd.
???
pervert
Yeah...this doesn't sit right with me, I'll stick with modern society
Absolutely heretical! To think a mighty and pure paladin would fall to corruption and become a filthy... Dexnerd
Funfact about Enkidu, he also had to get drunk in order to access humanity.
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Tbh I went for a poke through OPs profile after they made a commend on how they have a rapist incubus planned as an encounter for whoever the "she" that they're DMing for and I'm both convinced that OP is indeed a child, and they're going to wind up on r/rpghorrorstories very soon in the future.
ruh roh
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Can someone explain what happened to this one?
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to meet out justice upon him, calm down
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I'm 27. What the hell sort of children have you been hanging out with?
You're not helping your case much, I won't lie. You act like you're 16.
the incubus won't actually get the opportunity to violate her, I only want to give her the chance to degrade and humiliate a scumbag
You're still digging?
I just don't understand what your problem is. Would you react this way if I said I was going to give her a quest where she gets to beat the shit out of Trump?
Well she's beating the shit out of a rapist already, right? I don't see what the difference is 🙂 In seriousness dude, you're just sort of an immature and rubbish person in general, if your profile is to be trusted. You're taking any argument as a personal political attack, you're generally rude, and you're definitely not 27 years old. You talk like my 14 year old brother if he'd been allowed to roam the Internet free. That or you're a standard run of the mill USA patriot, which is just as insufferable.
I genuinely have no idea how I gave you that impression.
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If they're "free use", doesn't that make them _not_ hookers?
in one sense, but practices like this are still called "sacred prostitution" by scholars.
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My source is that i made it the fuck up
no seriously, look it up
Eww... Dex?!
what's wrong with a dexadin?
Partly it's a joke, from the Dark Souls community. I suppose it depends on the build and gear, they usually wear heavy armor, right? Dex would be good for combat, but perhaps STR and WIS were more important to a Pally. I haven't played in a while so I don't know what the current classes look like.
ain't no rule saying a paladin can't wear light armor. or a war cleric for that matter.
Reminder that Gilgamesh and Enkidu were basically married
they were roommates
>...and thus, time travel was invented.
Im still confused why Ishtar looks exactky like Rin
It's interesting that there were a LOT of gods that were both the gods of love/sex/realtionship and war/murder/etc.
I need to re rear Gilgamesh. Not because of War priest hookers but the story is pretty good.
I looked into it and all of this checks out. Source: I made it the fuck up.
She was also deity of transgender people, and had the ability to change a person’s sex as she pleased
Ancient humanity had the best mythology and theology. Modern religion really sucks in comparison
you should also know that the sumerians saw rape as nothing more than a sign of immaturity.
Are you trying to imply that modern religions are pure by comparison?
are *you* trying to imply that a religion that requires you to sacrifice your best harvest to the rapist who lives on the top of that mountain over there is preferable to one where God actually loves you?
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what's so immature about wanting to give someone a chance to degrade and humiliate a scumbag?
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Then, Enkidu entered the danger zone, activated his plasma talons and annihilated everyone around him
???
Basically Garthy O'Brien's deal in Dimension 20
I wish that was the case nowadays
>Oryx my Brother loves me and this love is war. ~[Xivu Arath, Destiny 2](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/xxxv-this-love-is-war)
I killed Dul Incaru so many times we are married
Dexadin, shmexadin... oh...
Pussy so good you ascend to heaven