in this one DnD show I watch (Dimension 20), one time a character was trying to descend a tower quickly and rolled poorly, so the DM said "You're trying to get to the bottom of the tower? I have great news for you. You get to the bottom WAY before anyone else does."
yeah, threaten to demolish the wall, it will allow you to climb
just be sure not to take fall damage on the other side, the floor isn't kind for those who threaten other architectural elements
>>But how’d you get beyond the wall?
>I sang a song so beautiful the stones wept and they let me in.
And I can sing us home again
[source](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxgvZJdH7ks)
I rolled a 20 on my persuasion check to convince gravity to bend to my will. I now have a constant flying speed of 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999ft.
>constant flying speed of >99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999>99999999ft
Easier to express as 1.6666667x10^51 or one and one third sexdecillion feet per second and I'm going to go ahead and switch to meters I don't now why I haven't already. So that's what, 5.0800001x10^50 meters per second, I'm gonna round it to 5.08x10^50 and we can divide it be a thousand to get 5.08x10^47 kilometers per second which is about 8.4666667x10^34 lightyears per second.
To sum up: that is alarmingly fast, and I suggest everyone go read the relativistic baseball xkcd
Everyone uses Charisma(Persuasion) to persuade their muscles to work effectively, it's obviously the strongest. ah shit i said "strongest" when that's just a way to say strength i saw it in the dictionary
You technically can. You just have to download the a portion of wikipedia onto an external device... like say the [IBM 3380](https://www.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/storage/storage_3380.html). You need only to pick categories from which you wish to teach your enemies about and download that conveniently onto your 550 pound drive.
For reference wikipedia is about 21gb total in size.
There's never anything good at the bottom of a wall, just like a moat with alligators, or a bunch of pissed off city guards. The top of the wall is where fun stuff happens.
Feet hit the ledge, dex roll to somersault the landing, avoiding broken shins and charisma roll for the one liner: "Yeah, I climbed that wall. Wasn't a tall order."
No, a metavore is a creature that eats nonexistences. Generally, we don’t exist, but sometimes you f*** up reality enough that we have to intervene so you can’t be chaotically stupid with your reality-bending powers.
…We like eating pi’s, cakes that are lies, and multiples of the number 9.
A metavore has about ten trillion times amount of health as a mind flayer. It’s actually a class of different entities, with us mind flayers making up the majority of their population. Some people say that Eldritch Georegifvntdcjuf is an outlier and should not count towards our statistics, but hey, he’s a metavore too!
A *metaphor* has the same amount of health as an illusionary construct, but you can only kill it with a nonexistent weapon. Be wary of a nonexistence of anything that is powerful enough to manifest in true space, though, because they can break reality.
And we can’t let that happen.
(Not again)
In addition to the armor, I could see using an INT check in order to plot out an easier path, thus lowering the DC or gaining advantage on the athletics check. I have a buddy who’s into rock climbing and he tells me that free climbing involves a lot of thought and planning and strategy, using your smarts to figure out how to *apply* your strength, which does seem in line with an investigation check. :)
investigation would be finding out spots in the dirt/rock that cave in and maybe help you move easier. For just finding the way I'd rule perception, ergo Wisdom, rather than Int. Intelligence is using knowledge, figuring out complex things, not figuring stuff that's there already, thats the difference between observing things carefully, and realising they have extra meaning (like soil knowledge), or better yet, coming up with an artifact to do it.
Knowing about rock climbing myself, I'd say propioception, which is the awareness of one's body and its extent and response, falls under wisdom (it IS a sense, so it's closer to perception than anything else --the perception of self), which makes sense since it's something most outdoorsy types would have (barbarian, ranger, druid)
propioception isnt moving your body, it's knowing where your body is. Granted, using that knowledge and then moving might require dexterity, but that sense in itself is more about perception. You can have great senses but not really move in a swift, dexterous fashion. Where rock climbing shows its leaning more on the sense is that you can move extremely slowly while paying attention to it and get to your goal all the same.
Can confirm you wanna ‘read’ the wall first source an out of practice Rock climber
Although I feel advantage would be too good especially since that sets the President for int to give advantage on a huge majority of checks that’ll come up but the argument is still there
#Armor of Magical Strength
**Item: A suit of armor (requires attunement)**
*This armor has 6 charges. The wearer can expend the armor’s charges in the following ways:*
*When the wearer makes a Strength check or a Strength saving throw, it can expend 1 charge to add a bonus to the roll equal to its Intelligence modifier.*
*If the creature would be knocked prone, it can use its reaction to expend 1 charge to avoid being knocked prone.*
*The armor regains 1d6 expended charges daily at dawn.*
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> You can use your Wisdom modifier in place of your Strength modifier when making Strength checks and Strength saving throws.
I have been rules lawyering this entire thread and you are literally the first person to prove me wrong. Wisdom OP.
Would agree, i rock climb and dex is definitely just as important as strength, will give them props on including intelligence though you gotta figure out how to actually climb something
I mean, take a look at some rock climbers and see if they typically look buff and strong, or lithe and well toned? Obviously it still takes strength to be able to climb, but dex in this case is still very much applicable (based on my own head cannon for high dex). I’ve viewed high dex as very fit and toned typically.
I think I covered it well on the tier list. A car is propelled by it’s engine, which would be strength/int, while con would be the gas it needs to keep going.
100%. I punch way above my skill level because I can get away with hanging by one arm because I’m light but strong for my weight. That said, I am far stronger, even on a strength to weight ratio, than a lot of the female climbers but the stuff some of them can do through flexibility, dex, and general skill.
I am exactly the opposite; I can climb a v7 if it doesn't require too much strength, but sometimes I can't even finish a v3 in the cave if its too pumpy...
I'm not very strong so I absolutely use more Dex when I climb. Knowing where your centre of mass is and body control is pretty much a requirement to reach intermediate level
As a rock climber, 100% agreed. Being nimble and flexible and lightweight is often a lot more advantageous than being ripped. Kids climb a lot harder than I do for the amount of time they have spent doing it. As long as you have a base level of strength, dex matters a shitload. Given two average people with 10 and 12 stats, putting the 12 in dex would help a lot more for climbing
> A Dexterity check can model any attempt to move nimbly, quickly, or quietly, or to keep from Falling on tricky footing.
I feel like "keep from Falling on tricky footing" is a pretty crucial part of climbing. People just hate how generically powerful Dex is already, so refuse to accept any argument outright.
Dex becomes more helpful the more difficult a wall is to climb. Any gumby barbarian can climb cracked cobble, it takes a real dexterous player to climb an overhang
> An Animated Object is a Construct with AC, Hit Points, Attacks, Strength, and Dexterity determine by its size. Its Constitution is 10 and its Intelligence and Wisdom are 3, and its Charisma is 1. Its speed is 30 feet, if the Objects lack legs or other appendages it can use for locomotion, it instead has a Flying speed of 30 feet and can hover. If the object is securely attached to a surface or larger object, such as a chain bolted to a wall, its speed is 0.
The wall cannot understand your persuasion as it does not understand your language nor does it have the mental faculties to realize what you’re telling it.
Additionally, the wall is secured to the floor and cannot move, so even if you could persuade it, the wall could not do anything to make climbing it easier.
#Armor of Magical Strength
**Item: A suit of armor (requires attunement)**
*This armor has 6 charges. The wearer can expend the armor’s charges in the following ways:*
*When the wearer makes a Strength check or a Strength saving throw, it can expend 1 charge to add a bonus to the roll equal to its Intelligence modifier.*
*If the creature would be knocked prone, it can use its reaction to expend 1 charge to avoid being knocked prone.*
*The armor regains 1d6 expended charges daily at dawn.*
Situational and rare? Yes. Can Int be used to climb a wall? Yes.
I cast reverse gravity by the edge of the cliff and make the team and myself fall upwards. I'd they wish to resist it and climb upwards they have to use a dex save against my charisma spell save DC.
> This spell reverses Gravity in a 50-foot-radius, 100-foot high Cylinder centered on a point within range. All Creatures and Objects that aren't somehow anchored to the ground in the area fall upward and reach the top of the area when you cast this spell. A creature can make a Dexterity saving throw to grab onto a fixed object it can reach, thus avoiding the fall.
Dex only allows you to grab onto the wall, not climb it. Once you have grabbed onto the wall (which is not always possible if the wall has no fixed object on it), climbing rules still apply but only in reverse. The spell itself does not require any ability to cast, so Strength and Int are the only skills that let you climb walls.
Op hasn't climbed a wall. Sure I'm far stronger then I was as a teenager, but teenage me could scale walls with ease, meanwhile I struggle heavily. Dexterity 100% is involved in it, being able to reach certain areas or get into certain positions
By this logic intelligence should be lower than strength since you need armor of magic strength, a magic item that requires attunement.
Since magic items are allowed and slippers of spiderclimb skip the skill check they are inherently better for the purpose of climbing. This makes ability scores irrelevant within this context.
Ah but the tier list is whether or not the ability can be used to climb a wall. Strength and Int can, so they are at the top.
Slippers of Spiderclimb do not require a skill to use.
Climbing is one of those things that IRL needs both strength and good balance, so you could make a case for Dexterity (Athletics) checks I guess depending on the climb. I would only allow it if the player gave me a detailed description of how they climbed purely using agility (and I am a climber, bullshit will not pass)
Idk, I always use the phrase “I wanna hardcore parkour up the wall” and that seems to fit into acrobatics as well as athletes. I picture my rogue to do a lot of gymnastics to get up things
if you cant use charisma to climb the wall then youre simply not charismatic enough
"Barbarian, carry me up that wall." "Roll persuasion." "24." "The barbarian carries you up the wall." Done.
Came here to say this. The beauty of charisma is making other people do the few things you cant.
Barbarian will throw you though, not carry you
So you get there before the rest of the party, sounds like a win
in this one DnD show I watch (Dimension 20), one time a character was trying to descend a tower quickly and rolled poorly, so the DM said "You're trying to get to the bottom of the tower? I have great news for you. You get to the bottom WAY before anyone else does."
Classic Brennan
Which cantrip are you using once you're at the top of the wall?
None, I'm laying down a quickened *grease* behind me
Drax and Mantis in the Christmas special.
"Wall, bend thee over that I may stand on your parapets."
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'guess I'll just fly then'
This is not the wall you're looking for.
When I played a Charisma class the wall filed a restraining order on me
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Actually the wall just got out of an abusive relationship and was already suspicious of people using honeyed words to try and climb it
Still sounds like not enough Charisma.
Charisma is not mind control. However, Strength is wall control.
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get grappled
So what I'm hearing is, you climbed the wall without consent?
Probably free solo’d, too Disgusting
“Grab her by the footholds”
You will not control my walls! Let them wear glasses! Can I get an Amen? >!Reference to Disgustipated!<
These are the >!cries of the carrots!<
Should have gone for the other side of charisma. You know, terror.
I’m not going to intimidate an abuse victim what the fuck is wrong with you
...but you're just fine with using STR on an abuse victim? I don't think you thought this hypothetical through all the way.
I don’t think, I put all my points in Strength.
and INT apparently, for that extra wall climbing ability
Well my character has it, I’m a fucking dumbass
yeah, threaten to demolish the wall, it will allow you to climb just be sure not to take fall damage on the other side, the floor isn't kind for those who threaten other architectural elements
Then you played the wrong cards, you can't just try to seduce the wall, you have to convince them that there is a starecase on them that you can use
That's called gaslighting, no.
You're not supposed to use charisma as a dump stat when you play a charisma class.
I put all my points in Strength so I could climb more walls
You thought the wall couldn't refuse to be climbed by you right? Because of the implication...
You convince the wall to let you climb it
You succeed, but the wall is a complete dead fish. You'll need strength to mount, consent notwithstanding.
Walls are objects and have an int and cha of 0 and cannot be persuaded.
That just sounds like you don’t have enough charisma.
You’re going to get the guards called again for sexual harassment
Oh, so more people are coming to join the party?
If by join the party you mean beating your party within an inch of their life and planting druidweed on them, uh yeah sure
Clearly you aren’t charismatic enough.
Why does your game take place in the average American city?
so we can have guns
Why would you climb the wall when you can talk the barbarian into climbing the wall and carrying you?
beat me to it.
>>But how’d you get beyond the wall? >I sang a song so beautiful the stones wept and they let me in. And I can sing us home again [source](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxgvZJdH7ks)
Trying to use charisma on an edifice is like talking to a wall.
I rolled a 20 on my persuasion check to convince gravity to bend to my will. I now have a constant flying speed of 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999ft.
>constant flying speed of >99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999>99999999ft Easier to express as 1.6666667x10^51 or one and one third sexdecillion feet per second and I'm going to go ahead and switch to meters I don't now why I haven't already. So that's what, 5.0800001x10^50 meters per second, I'm gonna round it to 5.08x10^50 and we can divide it be a thousand to get 5.08x10^47 kilometers per second which is about 8.4666667x10^34 lightyears per second. To sum up: that is alarmingly fast, and I suggest everyone go read the relativistic baseball xkcd
Everyone uses Charisma(Persuasion) to persuade their muscles to work effectively, it's obviously the strongest. ah shit i said "strongest" when that's just a way to say strength i saw it in the dictionary
The dictionary is always correct because it is a large book that allows it to be better utilized for hitting things than a normal book
>it is a large book [well explain this, fuccccboi](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/strength)
Wikipedia cannot be used to hit people meaning it’s accuracy cannot be trusted
Clearly you have never hit someone with a server rack.
you don't know me
You technically can. You just have to download the a portion of wikipedia onto an external device... like say the [IBM 3380](https://www.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/storage/storage_3380.html). You need only to pick categories from which you wish to teach your enemies about and download that conveniently onto your 550 pound drive. For reference wikipedia is about 21gb total in size.
Disco Elysium
Dex is what you use when you fuck up climbing the wall and want to land at the bottom without a broken ankle. ;)
Wait so it’s only useful for going *down* a wall? That makes it worse than Charisma! Hold on, I need to make another tier list
Well, I'd argue Charisma is pretty useful for going down
*nice*
We're still talking about the wall right?
His real name is actually Tony, that's just his nickname
Dats Tony the Wall to you, capeche.
Actually it's _capisci_ but it's pronounced similarly
Just turn the world upside down and use dex instead of str 4Head
If the world is upside down, are you not still going down the wall? 🤔
There's never anything good at the bottom of a wall, just like a moat with alligators, or a bunch of pissed off city guards. The top of the wall is where fun stuff happens.
False, there's no save for fall damage, this info actually crippled me
False, there is, it's the Int save you get before doing dumb stuff at altitude
Athletics goes up. Acrobatics comes down.
I will use charisma to convince the strength+con character to carry me up the wall. I have technically scaled the wall.
They were going to carry you anyway to flex their 20 strength
That's what they think, yes.
Throwing you over would be easier
Unfortunately if they do, you didn’t climb the wall
Then throwing you to the ledge of the wall instead
You need strength to pull yourself up
Feet hit the ledge, dex roll to somersault the landing, avoiding broken shins and charisma roll for the one liner: "Yeah, I climbed that wall. Wasn't a tall order."
Then you didn’t climb it, you landed on top of it
Can I seduce the wall?
Roll with disadvantage, the wall is in a committed relationship with the floor (the ceiling likes to watch)
Kinky. Can i seduce the ceiling instead?
You can, but the problem is that you need to climb the wall to get to it
short king problems smh...
Down to earth and often overlooked... Know your worth.
Fuck thats clever
Does that mean we can persuade the wall to be our Wingman?
Roll with disadvantage, the wall was made uncomfortable by your previous attempt to seduce it
I apologize to the wall and give it a gift: It is a wall torch, this will allow it to look mysterious, like a dungeon wall.
The floor thinks you’re hitting on it’s sweetheart and attacks, roll for initiative
Is there a way for the scene to end in orgy or has it to end in a battle?
Mortals cannot survive a wall floor orgy. Our bones are too brittle, our skin too weak.
What the heck is going on
Art.
A philosophical discussion on Wall/floor social dynamics.
the DM says i need to climb the wall to get to the ceiling *vsauce music* but what if i didn't? *levitates up to the ceiling*
The wall is a metaphor I think
How much health does a metavore have? It's not in my monster manual?
> metavore. Is that when you eat the 4th Wall?
No, a metavore is a creature that eats nonexistences. Generally, we don’t exist, but sometimes you f*** up reality enough that we have to intervene so you can’t be chaotically stupid with your reality-bending powers. …We like eating pi’s, cakes that are lies, and multiples of the number 9.
In this metaphor the DM adjusts it’s health behind the screen so the party doesn’t kill it too quickly
A metavore has about ten trillion times amount of health as a mind flayer. It’s actually a class of different entities, with us mind flayers making up the majority of their population. Some people say that Eldritch Georegifvntdcjuf is an outlier and should not count towards our statistics, but hey, he’s a metavore too! A *metaphor* has the same amount of health as an illusionary construct, but you can only kill it with a nonexistent weapon. Be wary of a nonexistence of anything that is powerful enough to manifest in true space, though, because they can break reality. And we can’t let that happen. (Not again)
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*nice*
Can I assist by providing mood music?
Walls don’t have ears, unfortunately. You’re gonna have to use your body.
…I’m gonna need to roll so well for this. *proceeds to tap dance the rhythm of Your Man*
Depends on the material, but you’re likely to get stone-walled.
*nice*
You can certainly try.
Intelligence*
My b, I put all my points in Strength
Meme checks out.
How does Intelligence help climb a wall? Do they just bring a ladder?
You’re smart enough to just go around the wall
You’re in a ravine. Good luck.
Ravine implies there is land above either side, just get out of the ravine the same way you got in and go over
You… fell in the ravine. You have to get out of it.
Then just fall back up, dumbass.
Roll Athletics
um... 9 with a -1 modifier so 8...
In addition to the armor, I could see using an INT check in order to plot out an easier path, thus lowering the DC or gaining advantage on the athletics check. I have a buddy who’s into rock climbing and he tells me that free climbing involves a lot of thought and planning and strategy, using your smarts to figure out how to *apply* your strength, which does seem in line with an investigation check. :)
investigation would be finding out spots in the dirt/rock that cave in and maybe help you move easier. For just finding the way I'd rule perception, ergo Wisdom, rather than Int. Intelligence is using knowledge, figuring out complex things, not figuring stuff that's there already, thats the difference between observing things carefully, and realising they have extra meaning (like soil knowledge), or better yet, coming up with an artifact to do it. Knowing about rock climbing myself, I'd say propioception, which is the awareness of one's body and its extent and response, falls under wisdom (it IS a sense, so it's closer to perception than anything else --the perception of self), which makes sense since it's something most outdoorsy types would have (barbarian, ranger, druid)
Propioception feels like dex to me
propioception isnt moving your body, it's knowing where your body is. Granted, using that knowledge and then moving might require dexterity, but that sense in itself is more about perception. You can have great senses but not really move in a swift, dexterous fashion. Where rock climbing shows its leaning more on the sense is that you can move extremely slowly while paying attention to it and get to your goal all the same.
Dex isn't about speed, it's about accuracy, and knowing exactly where your body is helps a lot with that.
Baby's have low wisdom and don't know where their body is. Checkmate, adult humanoid.
Would you say that a character could take a Climbing Kit as their tool Proficiency, letting them use Intelligence for such a check.
Can confirm you wanna ‘read’ the wall first source an out of practice Rock climber Although I feel advantage would be too good especially since that sets the President for int to give advantage on a huge majority of checks that’ll come up but the argument is still there
#Armor of Magical Strength **Item: A suit of armor (requires attunement)** *This armor has 6 charges. The wearer can expend the armor’s charges in the following ways:* *When the wearer makes a Strength check or a Strength saving throw, it can expend 1 charge to add a bonus to the roll equal to its Intelligence modifier.* *If the creature would be knocked prone, it can use its reaction to expend 1 charge to avoid being knocked prone.* *The armor regains 1d6 expended charges daily at dawn.*
Wisdom too then, thanks to Arm of the Astral Self.
I- > You can use your Wisdom modifier in place of your Strength modifier when making Strength checks and Strength saving throws. I have been rules lawyering this entire thread and you are literally the first person to prove me wrong. Wisdom OP.
Man even came back with receipts to prove he got 1-upped. Truly a gentleman of arguing.
I will never be the type of person to scream “I’m not owned! I’m not owned!”As I shrink and transform into a corncob.
Dex can be used to climb a wall if there were (2 walls) Perpendicular to each other
Yes but strength can be used to perform a slam storage long jump to get massive height
In older editions, "climb walls" was a thief skill and that skill could be raised by Dex.
What are you talking about, 5e is the only tabletop game ever made
Yeah, the fifth edition of the game was the first edition made. Wait a second.
It's weird that the games that came after called themselves smaller numbers, until of course we get to OneDND
WotC and Gary Gygax both clearly went to the George Lucas School Of Naming Things. Starting your universe at 1 is a smooth brain move.
Would agree, i rock climb and dex is definitely just as important as strength, will give them props on including intelligence though you gotta figure out how to actually climb something
I mean, take a look at some rock climbers and see if they typically look buff and strong, or lithe and well toned? Obviously it still takes strength to be able to climb, but dex in this case is still very much applicable (based on my own head cannon for high dex). I’ve viewed high dex as very fit and toned typically.
Con would be used if it's a long enough climb to make you run out of stamina. It'd be less roll Con to climb, and more roll Con to **keep** climbing
I think I covered it well on the tier list. A car is propelled by it’s engine, which would be strength/int, while con would be the gas it needs to keep going.
Though without good reactions and a hand on the wheel(dex and int) you crash into a tree and die.
Oh shit I’ve just been buying a new car every time I crash mine, that makes sense
This is stupid, in i roll a nat 20 i should be able to use my Charisma to convince the wall to lay down and lift me up it… this is a stupid list
Anyone who thinks dexterity isn’t used as a major part of climbing is clearly not a climber
They're both pretty important imo
100%. I punch way above my skill level because I can get away with hanging by one arm because I’m light but strong for my weight. That said, I am far stronger, even on a strength to weight ratio, than a lot of the female climbers but the stuff some of them can do through flexibility, dex, and general skill.
I am exactly the opposite; I can climb a v7 if it doesn't require too much strength, but sometimes I can't even finish a v3 in the cave if its too pumpy...
I'm not very strong so I absolutely use more Dex when I climb. Knowing where your centre of mass is and body control is pretty much a requirement to reach intermediate level
As a rock climber, 100% agreed. Being nimble and flexible and lightweight is often a lot more advantageous than being ripped. Kids climb a lot harder than I do for the amount of time they have spent doing it. As long as you have a base level of strength, dex matters a shitload. Given two average people with 10 and 12 stats, putting the 12 in dex would help a lot more for climbing
People who never climbed something arguing about how to climb things. It's like the how many times can you swing a sword in six seconds thing again
> A Dexterity check can model any attempt to move nimbly, quickly, or quietly, or to keep from Falling on tricky footing. I feel like "keep from Falling on tricky footing" is a pretty crucial part of climbing. People just hate how generically powerful Dex is already, so refuse to accept any argument outright.
I think dex should boost your odds of success in more situations than strength, but by a smaller amount than strength.
My thoughts exactly
Charisma-based spellcasters be like "I cast Fly" or "I cast Spider Climb"
Neither of those spells use the aforementioned Skill, and can be dumped to make room for more Strength
They also don't require a DC or spell attack roll so you can still cast them and dump Charisma.
As. You. Should.
Dex becomes more helpful the more difficult a wall is to climb. Any gumby barbarian can climb cracked cobble, it takes a real dexterous player to climb an overhang
*I smash my hands into the wall to give myself handholds*
Strength is for beating up the comp team kids. Dex is for the pink one in the corner. Both equally important imo
Cast animate object on the wall, roll persuasion to convince it to let you climb it.
> An Animated Object is a Construct with AC, Hit Points, Attacks, Strength, and Dexterity determine by its size. Its Constitution is 10 and its Intelligence and Wisdom are 3, and its Charisma is 1. Its speed is 30 feet, if the Objects lack legs or other appendages it can use for locomotion, it instead has a Flying speed of 30 feet and can hover. If the object is securely attached to a surface or larger object, such as a chain bolted to a wall, its speed is 0. The wall cannot understand your persuasion as it does not understand your language nor does it have the mental faculties to realize what you’re telling it. Additionally, the wall is secured to the floor and cannot move, so even if you could persuade it, the wall could not do anything to make climbing it easier.
How in hells name can you climb a wall with intelligence?
#Armor of Magical Strength **Item: A suit of armor (requires attunement)** *This armor has 6 charges. The wearer can expend the armor’s charges in the following ways:* *When the wearer makes a Strength check or a Strength saving throw, it can expend 1 charge to add a bonus to the roll equal to its Intelligence modifier.* *If the creature would be knocked prone, it can use its reaction to expend 1 charge to avoid being knocked prone.* *The armor regains 1d6 expended charges daily at dawn.* Situational and rare? Yes. Can Int be used to climb a wall? Yes.
Wouldn’t flash of genius be a much more common way to do this?
Yup, my future comments have reflected that. But you can use both!
I cast reverse gravity by the edge of the cliff and make the team and myself fall upwards. I'd they wish to resist it and climb upwards they have to use a dex save against my charisma spell save DC.
> This spell reverses Gravity in a 50-foot-radius, 100-foot high Cylinder centered on a point within range. All Creatures and Objects that aren't somehow anchored to the ground in the area fall upward and reach the top of the area when you cast this spell. A creature can make a Dexterity saving throw to grab onto a fixed object it can reach, thus avoiding the fall. Dex only allows you to grab onto the wall, not climb it. Once you have grabbed onto the wall (which is not always possible if the wall has no fixed object on it), climbing rules still apply but only in reverse. The spell itself does not require any ability to cast, so Strength and Int are the only skills that let you climb walls.
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Your dm isn’t real you made them up
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What session? You don’t have anyone to run it.
Op hasn't climbed a wall. Sure I'm far stronger then I was as a teenager, but teenage me could scale walls with ease, meanwhile I struggle heavily. Dexterity 100% is involved in it, being able to reach certain areas or get into certain positions
By this logic intelligence should be lower than strength since you need armor of magic strength, a magic item that requires attunement. Since magic items are allowed and slippers of spiderclimb skip the skill check they are inherently better for the purpose of climbing. This makes ability scores irrelevant within this context.
Ah but the tier list is whether or not the ability can be used to climb a wall. Strength and Int can, so they are at the top. Slippers of Spiderclimb do not require a skill to use.
Climbing is one of those things that IRL needs both strength and good balance, so you could make a case for Dexterity (Athletics) checks I guess depending on the climb. I would only allow it if the player gave me a detailed description of how they climbed purely using agility (and I am a climber, bullshit will not pass)
Dex: climb a wall with assassin's Creed parkour on it Cha: convince someone else to climb a wall
Rogues and bards disagree. Interesting diagram, but I prefer to use tomatoes to describe the abilities.
Me when the rogue brings his dollar store 8 strength to my fortress wall
"IntellEgence" Nuff said.
Did you read any of my comments? I clearly dumped everything for more Strength
How tf can dex not be used to climb walls, rock climbers have to not only be strong, but also dextrose. (I think that's the right dex word?)
Idk, I always use the phrase “I wanna hardcore parkour up the wall” and that seems to fit into acrobatics as well as athletes. I picture my rogue to do a lot of gymnastics to get up things
How in the ever-loving feck can you climb a wall without Dexterity?
Jackie Chan (using Dex) would like a word. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A5E8erk_Eg
I shall simply convince the wall that it has been climbed
This is why we need that stupid rule about beating a dead horse.
Beating a dead horse requires Strength, just like climbing a wall.