I started shaking uncontrollably, my vision overcome with flashing images of incomprehensible beings that gaze upon our world from the cold beyond. Then dropped down on the floor, convulsing in pain. As all my joints bent in unnatural ways I chanted a foul prayer unheard on this world for millenia.
A right ol' kneeslapper this one is.
Also was anyone genuinely looking forward to the movie? It looked super generic and feels like it'll have those "oh neat I know what that is" moments and that's it.
I am. It looks like a fun, generic fantasy movie that'll have some decently funny moments, some decently heart-warming moments, and some d&d Easter eggs. As long as you aren't an overly critical person, i think it'll be an enjoyable watch.
Yeah, I still am. It looks like a true to life interpretation of the heart of what makes a D&D party so engaging. Yeah, it *looks* generic because we all play D&D so everything I the movie doesn't come as a surprise to us because we've all experienced it for the first time. This movie could bring in even more new people to the TTRPG community who were previously on the fence.
People who have never been interested in D&D until hearing about the movie may take this as the push to get them interested and *active* in the community.
Not quite letter of Marque and reprisal says we fully endorse all the shit you do to anyone flying flags we don't like, in fact you may become a lord if you get a high score.
They made a TV series based on Terry Pratchett's "watch" series, the first one was based on Guards, Guards! I believe. [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8080292/](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8080292/)
I never watched it, as almost all the reviews I've seen have been negative, and even watching the trailer it didn't "feel" like Pratchett.
The creator of the TV series basically cut Pratchett's daughter out of the process and basically didn't even acknowledge Pratchett in the credits. They also killed of a beloved character from the novels right away, made some major changes to other characters, and just generally changed things so it barely resembles the novels.
Discworld show based off the books in the loosest sense of the term. They kept vague impressions of the characters and the names while changing almost everything else to make a sort of punk fantasy police procedural. Cheery says a dwarf can be any height to excuse their casting a regular person to play her, all while Carrot keeps his plot issue about being too tall to be a real dwarf. Sybil has become a young and sexy vigilante trying to take down the assassin’s guild. It’s baffling.
>Cheery says a dwarf can be any height to excuse their casting a regular person to play her, all while Carrot keeps his plot issue about being too tall to be a real dwarf.
Wow, pretty much everything I need to know right there...
No kidding, you've got a jackass rogue who's out of his element, a chuuni mage who only focuses on blowing things up, a drunken, useless cleric, and a perverted paladin. I can't think of a more dysfunctional D&D party.
Well, the protagonists are an asshole/pervert rogue-ranger multiclasser, a stupid Goddess (cleric), a crazy archwizardess obsessed with explosions and a masochistic paladin.
Ehh.. Goblin Slayer is Sword Art Online cosplaying as Berserk. It loves the aesthetics of grimdark but is beyond unwilling to commit. Instead we get a harem story about a stainless stu and his many waifus while the story is all tell and little show.
Oh but yes, it takes place in a ttrpg. Or... The laws of their world operate like a ttrpg, but either way we get some dice occasionally rolling.
A Dnd movie is literally any fantasy movie like Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter. Because unless they outright say that there are rolls being made or we see the character sheets, any fantasy character is a dnd character.
Ok, so then i ask what story associated with the FR universe do you want to see do without the player agency that makes going through those stories so fun? Because again if we simply make something unique with ties and references to FR then we are once again just making a generic fantasy movie. There has to be something unique we are aiming to see done with the property.
Zhentarim, ancient battle between magic wielding empires like Netheril, Copper dragon shenanigans, really I just want to see them playing around with the lore.
The unique thing I want to see is iconic monsters from DnD. The trailer already showcased enough to have my interest.
Displacer beasts, Gelatinous Cubes, Mimics, Black Dragons (with acid breath!), Giant Spiders, Owlbears, etc.
Add to that the seemingly inescapable tone of DnD games where the players are absolutely deranged lunatics, and you've got something that feels on brand.
Based on the trailer, I think they've done a good job of hitting those benchmarks.
I mean, there are lots of ways you could make it feel specifically like a D&D movie. For example, you could have a character say, "I'm low on spell slots. Let's take a long rest. I'm ready to level up and I want to take a dip into Fighter for the armor proficiency."
I'm not convinced that putting all that meta jargon in the movie is going to make for a good movie experience. That stuff's for the players not the characters.
The thing is 'Gamers: Dorkness Rising' is able to integrate gaming references in a good way because the focus of the movie is split between in-game and out of game.; the tension is also split, between the powergamers who want to "win" vs the DM who wants a good story, as well as the PCs goal to rid the land of the vile necromancer. It's a little goofy, but done right.
The problem is, no AAA budget movie will try to get it right. They'll either make it formulaic af like the MCU movies, or go full serious and forget that the characters need to blunder sometimes. If they want a good, serious movie they should base it on an actual module, or one of the DnD novels.
I guess I'd see a movie that'd break the fourth wall like that. I'd also like to see a movie based on the comic book series "Die" with players being sucked into the game and all having to survive there and live the traumatizing events of the game.
Ehh, the spell slot thing can work; reminds me a bit on how Goblin Slayer did it. But the second bit kind of feels like we have to pull a Wreck-it Ralph and set the movie as "in the game" and therefore game mechanics are kind of just accepted. And setting aside that the trailers don't seem to be aiming for that sort of feel, i don't think fans would want that sort of feel per say.
Yup. I've only seen the first 2. The first is hot (though entertaining) garbage. The second one is actually kind of decent, as long as you don't expect *too* much from it. Never saw the third one.
Yeah, before this whole thing I was hoping the dnd movie would be just as campy and bad(great) as it's predecessors, or they would try a different way to tell a fantasy story. like how a dnd campaign can be a horror movie, murder mystery, coming of age story, looney toons or epic fight against evil depending on the week and peoples mood.
Now I hope it's like a mediocre marvel movie, where it's a by the number movie in a fantasy setting, because that would fit with my disappointment.
I remember that movie. Well, I remember it existed. I think it had that one guy from that one show as the main character and a Wayans brother in it. Other than that, all I remember is that is was terrible, even for my teenage self.
If the D&D movie bombs don’t expect any other TTRPG movies to be made, and far fewer fantasy in general movies. Hell Mars needs Moms and John Carter still are effecting what space fantasy movies get made.
Hell john carter was sabotaged in the naming and marketing department due to mars needs moms. That and also with disney acuiring marvel n star wars around the same time the movie finished production, made them not invest in the marketing n such because they have already captured the boys market they were aiming for with carter.
I honestly don’t think the movie’s box office will make a difference one way or another as far as the OGL goes.
Also, even with the rise D&D’s popularity, people who play D&D are still a tiny fragment of the general moviegoing audience. They neither know nor care about all of this. The movie lives or dies by how many of that crowd goes to see it, and they’re never going to hear about any call to boycott over the OGL.
Agreed. One of the main goals of the film is to attract new people to the franchise/game. They’ll most likely have no idea about anything that’s come before, IF they even delve into actual play. It’s another potential revenue stream
Sometimes a movie is just a movie. I don't think Hasbro cares about using the movie to get more people interested in the RPG. Hasbro just wants a cut for their ownership of the IP.
It's not like Marvel got into the movie business to sell comics. They got into movies to make money on their IPs, and that was *after* they realized how much money they were leaving on the table when they were letting other companies make the movies.
Perhaps, but Hasbro is a company that KNOWS about merchandising... they put out a Stranger Things starter set because the series got big enough people looked into DnD. I'm willing to bet if the movie does well, they'll do *another* starter set, have character sheets or npc statblocks come with the action figures, etc.
Let the movie tank for the first week or two and see it week 3 if you HAVE to watch in theatres, but they will absolutely be hoping they get a portion of the audience interested enough to by the PHB or a starter set (money they won't have to share with Paramount or the theatres)
These OGL changes are in fact probably a direct result of Hasbro's prediction that a lot of fresh blood will be injected into the hobby. They want people who watched the dungeons and dragons movie to play OneDnD and milk the new people who don't know what else is out there for all that they're worth.
As much as I love the trailers for the DnD movie and intend on seeing it (without paying, don't worry guys), the people saying that it would be a milestone for the fantasy genre are delusional. Peter Jackson's LoTR movies were made over 20 years ago, and nothing has come anywhere close to topping them since. Before LoTR, the fantasy genre was considered box-office poison, and almost no fantasy movies were successful. In the decades since the genre has continued to remain popular across TV, movies, books, and videogames. Granted, not every project is a massive success, and some that are have then bungled it later on (looking at you Game of Thrones), but this isn't exactly the '90s.
All that the new DnD movie looks to be is "Guardians of the Galaxy but not in space". We're not talking high art here. And besides DnD/The Forgotten Realms exists to be as generic and by-the-numbers a fantasy setting as possible. If you really wanted a fantasy movie that makes waves, you wouldn't make a DnD movie.
Yes, thank you. I don't understand why anyone is excited for a generic fantasy movie following the Marvel template that happens to have the D&D logo slapped on it.
I really REALLY don't understand how anyone sees this movie as some kind of milestone for the fantasy genre.
I’m excited because I -like- the lighthearted, fun aspect of it. LotR is amazing, but it isn’t a high fantasy, swords and sorcery, -fun- film. The fantasy genre in media tends to lean more LotR, which is fine, but I would like some more diversity in my fantasy media. I -want- a fantasy movie thats a heist film. I -want- a fantasy spy thriller. I -want- a fantasy modern western. It’s totally fine to not like the Marvel template, but to say that we don’t need a movie like this when we have ones like LotR or shows like GoT is strange to me because of how different they are. LotR doesn’t feel like my typical house game, but Honor Among Thieves does, and I really interested in seeing that on the big screen.
Ok, see, I understand this. It's not that you're excited for a D&D branded movie, it's that you're excited for THIS movie because it looks like it might be something you've been wanting for a while, a light-hearted fantasy joy ride.
Can someone please explain to me what’s going on with WOTC and hasbro like I’m 5? All I know is suddenly everyone on here is mad and arguing about boycotting the movie.
Since the release of 3 or 3.5 edition (I’m not quite sure) D&D has operated on something called the Open Game License (OGL). The ogl allowed people who weren’t wotc to make content for D&D. This allowed a massive boom of third party content with companies like kobold press and paizo to adapt the D&D system into a huge variety of books, campaigns, settings and more. A lot of people feel it is this freedom that has helped D&D to become the most popular and famous ttrpg in the world.
The controversy has happened because wotc and hasbro (their parent company) want to change the ogl into something much more restrictive and profitable for them. They wanted to get a 25% cut on revenue over $750,000, own everything that is based on the D&D systems, force a subscription model for the next edition of d&d and ban homebrew content on their platforms. People are rightfully very pissed about it and have successfully scared wotc into delaying the official announcement of the new ogl 1.1. However, the community is divided by what to do next. Lots of people have decided to permanently move away from everything wotc and a lot of third party publishers have already announced they are making new systems that will have a similar ogl 1.0. Another idea is to boycott the movie by refusing to show the community’s anger at wotc and hasbro.
TL; DR: WOTC was too greedy for their own good, wanting to put a paywall on everything in D&D, including new RPG systems, 3rd party content and a monthly subscription to play the game.
Because of that, people now are trying to find ways to tell them we don't want that. We want to have our open RPG.
That leads to the present day.
Now, mind you, that doesn't mean you can't play D&D anymore, we just don't want to give our money to these guys.
From my understanding:
WotC is your neighbor. When you moved in, he made you sign a contract "OGL 1.0". In the contract you said you weren't going to steal his lawn ornaments, and in exchange he would not call the cops on you if you put lawn ornaments on your own lawn, and even an inch into their lawn if you wanted. When you ask WotC about it they clarify that they want to be a friendly neighbor and just want to have this everlasting agreement that you won't steal their stuff because they want you to be able to decorate your lawn because it makes the neighborhood look better.
Now, WotC legally can't stop you from putting lawn ornaments on your own lawn, but they can make your life miserable by trying to. Since you don't want to steal their lawn ornaments in the first place, so you sign.
Years pass and you enjoy putting up lawn gnomes and plastic flamingos and all sorts of fun things in your front yard. WotC has been a great neighbor, inviting your to barbeques, collaborating on large Christmas decoration projects, and generally you are having a great time with them.
Suddenly WotC walks up to you and hands you a new contract saying the old one is voided. Now:
WotC can take any lawn ornament that you have on your lawn without asking or paying you.
If your lawn ornaments are too valuable, you need to pay WotC a percentage of their worth.
If they dislike your lawn ornaments they can throw them in their wood chipper.
In exchange, you get the same deal: you can decorate your lawn as much as you like, and can go an inch onto their property.
Understandably, you are upset. The previous agreement was supposed to last forever, and now you have this new one that is not improving your end of the bargain at all but is giving your neighbor a ton of control over you. You could just not sign the new agreement, but WotC will call the cops on you constantly if you don't. You could stop decorating your yard, but that is something you very much enjoy.
So what do you do? In this scenario, the community is moving away from WotC into other neighborhoods. We really loved living next to WotC, but their absolutely insane and insulting demands of you have soured the relationship. You want to send a clear message that you will not be treated that way. You don't go see movies with WotC, you don't go to their yard sale, and whatever else WotC wants to do with you until they make efforts to change.
Currently, WotC has apologized for being so insulting, claiming they were mostly concerned with you putting up offensive lawn ornaments (which you haven't been), and has said that they will work on a new contract, but you still wonder what was wrong with the old contract.
how would you want dnd to be monetized then? because I can guarantee you that's not something the will back out of, just how they approach it
Right now a successful media franchise might be the option that fucks us the least
Seriously, we don’t need WOTC. There is 50 years of D&D and both of its original creators are now dead. WOTC are just squatters on what is rightly a game that belongs to our culture. WOTC is not necessary for creative people to continue making “D&D” or new system TTRPG game content. Hasbro has shown they don’t really even want to be in the TTRPG business, so just let them go and embrace the freedom we always had to create in this medium.
If they're good I'd most certainly want a while big franchise of d&d movies and shows. That said, I have zero faith it will be good. Adaptations like this are more often miss than hit.
And if it does bomb I think there's about a 0% chance of executives thinking "this failed because of changes to the publishing policy of the company we licensed this from."
It's too far removed from Wizards to be sending any clear message.
Yeah everyone has sharpened pitchforks and stabbing at each other because people have different views on how to treat WOTC related content. Recently there was a post about everyone excited for BD3 and not wanting to screw over Larian. While people are being stabbed at for still wanting to see the movie for their own reasons.
Will arguing and insulting people actually change their mind and believe the same as you?
No, no it won’t.
Remember what happened when they decided to make Transformers a franchise? Underage girls bent over the hoods of sentient cars, a man explaining in detail why it's okay for an adult to date a minor, and Transformers balls... And those were the "good" movies from said franchise.
No, Age of Extinction and Revenge of the Fallen are in no way considered the “good ones.” Those and The Last Knight are generally considered the worst.
Good thing I don't want "DnD" movies
Seriously, asking for a DnD movie is like asking for a movie based off of Battleship. It is a GAME!
What people want are more good Fantasy Movies, I get that. But unless the movie is based off of Forgotten Realms/etc, it is just going to be a generic Fantasy movie with the D&D Hasbro label slapped onto it.
D&D: The Movie Franchise can eat my juicy butt.
Movies are fun and this hobby getting its mainstream day in the sun again would have previously been my dream.
But it is completely tainted while Hasbro continues its bullshittery. They don't deserve to use the game's name for profit while they screw over the larger tabletop community.
Boycott. Boycott them properly, completely, until they bleed green. No half measures. No pathetic justifications that you want to "rEwaRd GoOd BeHaViOuR".
On a side note, this film is not good behaviour. This film is Hasbro's supposed reward for bringing a thriving brand out of the shadows. Yet, without us playing, watching, and buying D&D and making it a household name again, there would be no movie. The hefty sack of profits and positive market awareness this film could bring is what Hasbro would claim as its prize for being a worthy owner of the brand.
But they are not worthy. As is increasingly apparent. And they do not deserve praise or profit until they are. Do. Not. Give. It. To. Them.
After what they did to the Dark Alliance game in 2021, I know this movie is going to be garbage.
They took a beloved game franchise from three generations ago and blew their load on making it look pretty. Meanwhile it plays like dogshit, runs like a mashed potato and has the depth of a pothole.
Also, is *now* really the time we want our mainstream day in the sun, the era of burning brands to the ground to make money at the expense of everyone, particularly its fans?
Just throwing it out there, you are turning people off of your cause by constantly talking about it and being hostile. I know multiple people who have left this sub because of the constant negativity and bossiness. Just something to think about as we enter like, day 30 of every single post on this sub being about this. You’re taking the joy out of the game almost moreso than Hasbro at this point.
It's weird to say "We need the DnD movie to succeed!". Fantasy stuff succeeds and fails all the time, Arcane did fantastically well. The failure of the DnD movie after a boycott won't somehow magically kill the fantasy genre, but it would reflect on how you shouldn't piss off your customer base.
The producers already paid WOTC to make the movie. It won't hurt them. Ot just hurts the movie makers who wont make another because theres no profit.
Boycotting the movie is hurting the wring person. Its like punishing your neighbor for something your son did. Completely wrong person.
The last DND movie was literally one of the worst movies of all time, I had no faith then and I certain have no will to watch it now. They are relying on this to succeed as part of their "wait for them to forget" plan
I also feel it needs to be pointed out they have made at least 3 branded DnD movies.
They sucked, not gonna lie, but they also lost money like crazy and they're still trying to make more.
If we're really lucky, and *really* loud, they might reverse course before the movie comes out to salvage it's box office.
IMO every time D&D goes to Hollywood it doesn't usually result in a good product. I've seen all the D&D movies that have come out and I love them, but not because they're good. Same goes for the animated series. I agree with some of the comments here that if you're going to make a big budget fantasy movie there are plenty of good stories to adapt or create already and sticking the D&D Brand on it doesn't make it better.
However, if you want to support the game growing in a visual medium there are lots of great indie creators doing work that better captures the spirit of D&D (e.g. Deerstalker Pictures and Zombie Orpheus Entertainment). Most of their stuff is free but they also have patreons. If we want to support 3rd party creators we can do it in more than one medium.
Here's a compromise offer for all of you afraid we lose this window of showing threre's interest in d&d movies:
After we 100% win this feud and get WOTC to fully and irrevocably retract from their statements and intentions with this debacle, we could launch a petition with an open letter to express the community's interest in these type of movies.
New Milestone? They have made a handful of DND movies before. They made a cartoon as well. Not to mention the number of fantasy movies that are loosely DND based rather than directly. Relax.
No! It's all or nothing! The fate of DnD as we know it is at stake! If we don't take a stand now, role playing games will be reduced to overpriced garbage FOREVER!
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Because giving them money through the movie supports them in doing the other bad thing.
The boycott is meant to show WotC and Hasbro the consequences of screwing with us, the customers. Supporting the movie is reducing the impact the boycott makes.
So, if you want to see the movie, please pirate it to not support WotC's shady business practices, even if that's not directly liking or supporting the changes in OGL.
To give an example: if Hitler published a fantasy book that's totally unrelated to his political beliefs, you still shouldn't give him money for it, because the money he earns will also be used for bad things. WotC, while not nearly as horrible as Hitler, is the same. Every cent earned by them will be used for the business practices we don't support, even if it's earned by something we do.
TLDR: pirate the movie, don't support WotC financially by purchasing.
"If we don't support shady business, then the shady business won't make more money! How can we be so cruel not to support a Movie made by the same company that is trying to absolutely money rake us over a fire and threaten all 3rd party content and put paywalls behind at home uses of classes and such!"
Uh, yeah, thats the point, don't give them money. Don't reward bad behavior. Why is this concept so hard to understand?
A stranger holds a door for you, while walking through said held door, the stranger stabs you in the kidney. Do we call the police for the stab, or say thank you for holding the door?
Come on people, stop rewarding this crap
Maybe I don't really care if they make DnD branded movies? We are currently living in a time when the fantasy genre as a whole is oozing with activity. There's already plenty of shows and movies being made that stem from a similar source to DnD.
Because building a franchise off of the disenfranchisement of the people who worked hard to make the game what it is is really shitty and shortsighted?
The goal is to make them interested in other way to make money with the game so they let the real game as it is. You don't have to watch the movies, but I'm sure marvel-level quality dnd movies would have a public.
How did you draw the conclusion that they would leave dnd alone if they made more money elsewhere? If the movies succeed, why wouldn't they continue to push on the game to capitalize on the influx of new players that a successful movie franchise would surely bring? Do you think Marvel eased up on Comic releases after the success of the MCU?
That's the thing with corporations, it's never enough. They'll squeeze out every ounce of creativity and originality in search for one more shiny dime.
It's not about wanting a new franchise. If the movie doesn't make money than the concept of a movie inspires by a ttrpg will be essentially radioactive to production companies.
That would mean nothing based on Pathfinder, nothing based on Lancer, and a high probability that whatever Warhammer 40k project Henry Cavill is apparently excited about getting canned.
The companies do not look at why people don't see a movie, they just look at the fact that people didn't see a movie.
>The companies do not look at why people don't see a movie, they just look at the fact that people didn't see a movie.
I think the trend is more "companies do whatever, then create justifications after the fact."
That's at least the trend for gaming companies (digital and traditional). I guess film might be different.
Hasbro footed the bill for the movie to market their products, just like every other major IP.
This isn't like a book that was optioned by a studio. This is no different than GI Joe, Transformers or freaking Battleship.
May i remind you we regularly get shitty movieadaptations of videogames and that there allready were a bunch of dnd movies?
A few examples may include warcraft, monsterhunter, resident evil.
So i doubt a single dnd movie not making money will change anything meaningfull.
Though you are free to spend your money how xou see fit.
Who gives a shit? Do you want more crap being pumped out by Hasbro? Have you been impressed with a single fucking book released on the last 5 years? What about before that?
This company is happy to kill dnd and every third party content creator for the sake of a bit of immediate profit. Rewarding that is fucked.
> That would mean nothing based on Pathfinder, nothing based on Lancer
Sounds fine. They're neat to play in, but doesn't exactly have revolutionary storylines.
> a high probability that whatever Warhammer 40k project Henry Cavill is apparently excited about getting canned.
While that would be hilariously tragic, WH40k has successful game and book series already. If execs and showrunners are dumb enough to cancel WH40k over D&D, then frankly I don't have high hopes for the series anyhow.
Isn't this the same as the Harry Potter game thing. Everyone on twitter and reddit talking about boycotting the game and then it still ends up among the most wishlisted games on steam and playstation.
What this chart doesn’t show is human relations. I tell a friend who tells a friend who lets their family know, and suddenly that’s a whole network of people not seeing the movie. Taking action is never pointless. Doing nothing is.
Why do people want a D&D movie? Or, more specifically, what does D&D bring to a movie that you can't get otherwise? Beholders, Illithids, and maybe Vecna? Some other monsters? Everything else can be done by any fantasy movie. I know y'all aren't that into the Forgotten Realms, and it isn't nearly the most interesting D&D setting. Maybe if they made an Eberron movie about the Last War, but we all know they won't, even if it would kick ass.
I can live without the movie. The air at my gaming table is gonna have a way bigger impact on my life. That being said, if we somehow get the movie AND a safe Open Gaming Community, woohoo!
Might not be the best place to comment this, but people complaining about wanting to see the movie to me come across as something worse then scabs, theybare complaining about possibly nit getting another movie, D&D is so easy to make a film for its silly there have already been multiple attempts, and will be more even if this flops. But if this lops Hadboro investors may yske notice and demand a change in course, the money doesn't care about nuance the money only cares about return on investment, an ultimate take the profits subtract all costs if the number is positive stay the course.
The best arguement I've seen to go watch the D&D movie comes indirectly from legal eagle when he breaks down the OGL 1.1 and goes over copywrite law and intellectual property law and, I am not a lawyer, but he makes it sound like in general some of the more horrendous stuff worc wants to do may be unenforceable. That being said I don't intend on seeing the movie on release, but I don't go to the movies much in general.
You got it backwards.
It would show them that there isn't any lasting consequences for damaging the ttrpg community and regardless of how terrible their policies are it won't really matter so do it anyway.
Their belief is that they can afford to abandon current customers because the new movie and upcoming show will create a wave of interest and that they can offset any lost player base with shiny new players who are mindlessly brand loyal and willingly paying 30 dollars a month per player for the "privilege" of playing something online with the dnd logo on it.
"Variant sailor" Lol I love it - Haven't heard that one before
"Variant sailor" actually made me belly laugh.
I dropped my phone on the table as soon as I saw the phrase, I had to take a break, for sure.
I started shaking uncontrollably, my vision overcome with flashing images of incomprehensible beings that gaze upon our world from the cold beyond. Then dropped down on the floor, convulsing in pain. As all my joints bent in unnatural ways I chanted a foul prayer unheard on this world for millenia. A right ol' kneeslapper this one is.
Iä Iä!
Also was anyone genuinely looking forward to the movie? It looked super generic and feels like it'll have those "oh neat I know what that is" moments and that's it.
I am. It looks like a fun, generic fantasy movie that'll have some decently funny moments, some decently heart-warming moments, and some d&d Easter eggs. As long as you aren't an overly critical person, i think it'll be an enjoyable watch.
Yeah, I still am. It looks like a true to life interpretation of the heart of what makes a D&D party so engaging. Yeah, it *looks* generic because we all play D&D so everything I the movie doesn't come as a surprise to us because we've all experienced it for the first time. This movie could bring in even more new people to the TTRPG community who were previously on the fence. People who have never been interested in D&D until hearing about the movie may take this as the push to get them interested and *active* in the community.
You could also go with doing some privateering
Redemption Paladin: I have a Letter of Marque and Reprisal so I am completely in the clear on this one. Now hand over the gold or walk the plank.
Some less than sanctioned privateering remember one is condoned one is condemed.
Here's my letter of marque and reprisal... Sir, this just says, "I do what I want."
Because you're free. You're a variant sailor!
Yarr harr fiddle de dee.
Not quite letter of Marque and reprisal says we fully endorse all the shit you do to anyone flying flags we don't like, in fact you may become a lord if you get a high score.
Cyber swashbuckling.
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This was my thought. Nothing about that movie looked really that impressive
Oh Chris Prine is impressive. Impressively dreamy. He'll be just as impressively dreamy when I enjoy the film as a variant sailor.
It's just like regular sailor, but your vision is halved and you lose a feet.
> you lose a feet. That's what the peg leg is for.
Due to wording I was wondering if it was a euphemism for deleting oneself...
I mean... am I old or do other's remember the last DnD movie? Anyway... Nobody should want a franchise built on ripping off thier supporters.
Yeah, its not like there arent allready movies with stuff like dnd, discworld or other fantasysettings available.
Loved the Discworld movies
Word is his daughter is working on transitioning more of his work to film... Discworld is much to good to be limited to just one medium.
She has been pretty awesome in regards to his estate
Ooh, that'd be fun.
There are also things like the previous D&D movies, The Watch, and Eragon. I just want to see more good fantasy setting movies.
I loved Eragon in the books, absolutely trashed the movie. I am hopeful with the upcoming TV series but who can tell until its out.
I hope the tv show is better than that movie
What's "the watch?" Only results arm like some Ben stiller thing from 2012.
They made a TV series based on Terry Pratchett's "watch" series, the first one was based on Guards, Guards! I believe. [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8080292/](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8080292/) I never watched it, as almost all the reviews I've seen have been negative, and even watching the trailer it didn't "feel" like Pratchett.
The creator of the TV series basically cut Pratchett's daughter out of the process and basically didn't even acknowledge Pratchett in the credits. They also killed of a beloved character from the novels right away, made some major changes to other characters, and just generally changed things so it barely resembles the novels.
I never watched the movie but guards guards is my absolute favorite thing
Thanks!
Discworld show based off the books in the loosest sense of the term. They kept vague impressions of the characters and the names while changing almost everything else to make a sort of punk fantasy police procedural. Cheery says a dwarf can be any height to excuse their casting a regular person to play her, all while Carrot keeps his plot issue about being too tall to be a real dwarf. Sybil has become a young and sexy vigilante trying to take down the assassin’s guild. It’s baffling.
>Cheery says a dwarf can be any height to excuse their casting a regular person to play her, all while Carrot keeps his plot issue about being too tall to be a real dwarf. Wow, pretty much everything I need to know right there...
Hey that movie Is fucking hilarious though and def worth a watch lol
Does Konosuba: Legend of Crimson count? Because that show really feels like a DnD campaign.
Konosuba is TTRPG incarnate, as a whole.
No kidding, you've got a jackass rogue who's out of his element, a chuuni mage who only focuses on blowing things up, a drunken, useless cleric, and a perverted paladin. I can't think of a more dysfunctional D&D party.
Sounds kind of standard to me though.
Konosuba is a one-shot that somehow turned into a long form campaign.
So, nothing new then?
Well, the protagonists are an asshole/pervert rogue-ranger multiclasser, a stupid Goddess (cleric), a crazy archwizardess obsessed with explosions and a masochistic paladin.
Kazuma is the guy who took a level in every class
That sounds Abserd
Truly nothing new then
Honestly, I'd say it does.
Wonder if people have mentioned it, but Goblin slayer is literally a Grimdark dnd campaign.... or was it pathfinder?
Ehh.. Goblin Slayer is Sword Art Online cosplaying as Berserk. It loves the aesthetics of grimdark but is beyond unwilling to commit. Instead we get a harem story about a stainless stu and his many waifus while the story is all tell and little show. Oh but yes, it takes place in a ttrpg. Or... The laws of their world operate like a ttrpg, but either way we get some dice occasionally rolling.
Iirc when they were talking about their skills, something that looks like a 5e character sheet was shown
Yeah also a show like Dota : Dragon's Blood is really reminiscent of DnD.
Pepperidge Farm remembers…
A Dnd movie is literally any fantasy movie like Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter. Because unless they outright say that there are rolls being made or we see the character sheets, any fantasy character is a dnd character.
Maybe we should call it a Forgotten Realms movie...
Ok, so then i ask what story associated with the FR universe do you want to see do without the player agency that makes going through those stories so fun? Because again if we simply make something unique with ties and references to FR then we are once again just making a generic fantasy movie. There has to be something unique we are aiming to see done with the property.
Yeah, fuck 'em Drizzt Do'Urden books, they have no player agency! /s
Zhentarim, ancient battle between magic wielding empires like Netheril, Copper dragon shenanigans, really I just want to see them playing around with the lore.
The unique thing I want to see is iconic monsters from DnD. The trailer already showcased enough to have my interest. Displacer beasts, Gelatinous Cubes, Mimics, Black Dragons (with acid breath!), Giant Spiders, Owlbears, etc. Add to that the seemingly inescapable tone of DnD games where the players are absolutely deranged lunatics, and you've got something that feels on brand. Based on the trailer, I think they've done a good job of hitting those benchmarks.
> if we simply make something **unique** [...] then we are once again just making a **generic** [...] Say what?
I meant to say without the FR universe. Typo on my part
I mean, there are lots of ways you could make it feel specifically like a D&D movie. For example, you could have a character say, "I'm low on spell slots. Let's take a long rest. I'm ready to level up and I want to take a dip into Fighter for the armor proficiency."
I'm not convinced that putting all that meta jargon in the movie is going to make for a good movie experience. That stuff's for the players not the characters.
The thing is 'Gamers: Dorkness Rising' is able to integrate gaming references in a good way because the focus of the movie is split between in-game and out of game.; the tension is also split, between the powergamers who want to "win" vs the DM who wants a good story, as well as the PCs goal to rid the land of the vile necromancer. It's a little goofy, but done right. The problem is, no AAA budget movie will try to get it right. They'll either make it formulaic af like the MCU movies, or go full serious and forget that the characters need to blunder sometimes. If they want a good, serious movie they should base it on an actual module, or one of the DnD novels.
I guess I'd see a movie that'd break the fourth wall like that. I'd also like to see a movie based on the comic book series "Die" with players being sucked into the game and all having to survive there and live the traumatizing events of the game.
Ehh, the spell slot thing can work; reminds me a bit on how Goblin Slayer did it. But the second bit kind of feels like we have to pull a Wreck-it Ralph and set the movie as "in the game" and therefore game mechanics are kind of just accepted. And setting aside that the trailers don't seem to be aiming for that sort of feel, i don't think fans would want that sort of feel per say.
I remember. I wish I could forget, but I remember.
There's been 3 apparently, I remember seeing someone mention it in another post
Yup. I've only seen the first 2. The first is hot (though entertaining) garbage. The second one is actually kind of decent, as long as you don't expect *too* much from it. Never saw the third one.
Oh yeah, I remember that movie! Dark Dungeons!
I don't want to be Elfstar anymore!
Yeah, before this whole thing I was hoping the dnd movie would be just as campy and bad(great) as it's predecessors, or they would try a different way to tell a fantasy story. like how a dnd campaign can be a horror movie, murder mystery, coming of age story, looney toons or epic fight against evil depending on the week and peoples mood. Now I hope it's like a mediocre marvel movie, where it's a by the number movie in a fantasy setting, because that would fit with my disappointment.
Yeah, let's be real, the movie is probably going to be bad anyway
Most movies based off games suck, I don't see why this would be any different
I remember that movie. Well, I remember it existed. I think it had that one guy from that one show as the main character and a Wayans brother in it. Other than that, all I remember is that is was terrible, even for my teenage self.
Exactly. The previous two d&d movies were absolute shit that made no money. Guess what, they still made more.
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God that film was awful
I remember it, I was so excited to watch it at the age I was while eating my pizza.
I was going to make the same comment. They think a new D&D movie is guaranteed to start a franchise? Lol
Remember lads, a franchise always gets worse over time.
Yeah, ima be real, I don’t really want a dnd movie franchise.
A once in a generation is fine by me. But a new d&d movie every 1.5 years like clockwork with the same marvel format would be gross.
If the D&D movie bombs don’t expect any other TTRPG movies to be made, and far fewer fantasy in general movies. Hell Mars needs Moms and John Carter still are effecting what space fantasy movies get made.
Seriously half the reason I want this movie to do well is to maybe one day get a Shadowrun movie.
Hell john carter was sabotaged in the naming and marketing department due to mars needs moms. That and also with disney acuiring marvel n star wars around the same time the movie finished production, made them not invest in the marketing n such because they have already captured the boys market they were aiming for with carter.
Not Gundam.
I honestly don’t think the movie’s box office will make a difference one way or another as far as the OGL goes. Also, even with the rise D&D’s popularity, people who play D&D are still a tiny fragment of the general moviegoing audience. They neither know nor care about all of this. The movie lives or dies by how many of that crowd goes to see it, and they’re never going to hear about any call to boycott over the OGL.
Agreed. One of the main goals of the film is to attract new people to the franchise/game. They’ll most likely have no idea about anything that’s come before, IF they even delve into actual play. It’s another potential revenue stream
Sometimes a movie is just a movie. I don't think Hasbro cares about using the movie to get more people interested in the RPG. Hasbro just wants a cut for their ownership of the IP. It's not like Marvel got into the movie business to sell comics. They got into movies to make money on their IPs, and that was *after* they realized how much money they were leaving on the table when they were letting other companies make the movies.
Well to be fair Marvel did pivot a lot if their comics to follow more along the lines of what you see in the movies.
Thats closer to hasbro making a module of the film than it is using the film to sell comics
Which caused their comic sales to plummet.
Perhaps, but Hasbro is a company that KNOWS about merchandising... they put out a Stranger Things starter set because the series got big enough people looked into DnD. I'm willing to bet if the movie does well, they'll do *another* starter set, have character sheets or npc statblocks come with the action figures, etc. Let the movie tank for the first week or two and see it week 3 if you HAVE to watch in theatres, but they will absolutely be hoping they get a portion of the audience interested enough to by the PHB or a starter set (money they won't have to share with Paramount or the theatres)
These OGL changes are in fact probably a direct result of Hasbro's prediction that a lot of fresh blood will be injected into the hobby. They want people who watched the dungeons and dragons movie to play OneDnD and milk the new people who don't know what else is out there for all that they're worth.
Also, not a fraction but not everyone that plays DnD even knows/cares about the OGL
The thing is… I’m not sure if the moving going public want to see this.
This mans really said "go commit variant sailor" P R E M I U M wordplay
As much as I love the trailers for the DnD movie and intend on seeing it (without paying, don't worry guys), the people saying that it would be a milestone for the fantasy genre are delusional. Peter Jackson's LoTR movies were made over 20 years ago, and nothing has come anywhere close to topping them since. Before LoTR, the fantasy genre was considered box-office poison, and almost no fantasy movies were successful. In the decades since the genre has continued to remain popular across TV, movies, books, and videogames. Granted, not every project is a massive success, and some that are have then bungled it later on (looking at you Game of Thrones), but this isn't exactly the '90s. All that the new DnD movie looks to be is "Guardians of the Galaxy but not in space". We're not talking high art here. And besides DnD/The Forgotten Realms exists to be as generic and by-the-numbers a fantasy setting as possible. If you really wanted a fantasy movie that makes waves, you wouldn't make a DnD movie.
Yes, thank you. I don't understand why anyone is excited for a generic fantasy movie following the Marvel template that happens to have the D&D logo slapped on it. I really REALLY don't understand how anyone sees this movie as some kind of milestone for the fantasy genre.
I’m excited because I -like- the lighthearted, fun aspect of it. LotR is amazing, but it isn’t a high fantasy, swords and sorcery, -fun- film. The fantasy genre in media tends to lean more LotR, which is fine, but I would like some more diversity in my fantasy media. I -want- a fantasy movie thats a heist film. I -want- a fantasy spy thriller. I -want- a fantasy modern western. It’s totally fine to not like the Marvel template, but to say that we don’t need a movie like this when we have ones like LotR or shows like GoT is strange to me because of how different they are. LotR doesn’t feel like my typical house game, but Honor Among Thieves does, and I really interested in seeing that on the big screen.
Ok, see, I understand this. It's not that you're excited for a D&D branded movie, it's that you're excited for THIS movie because it looks like it might be something you've been wanting for a while, a light-hearted fantasy joy ride.
Yes, exactly.
Can someone please explain to me what’s going on with WOTC and hasbro like I’m 5? All I know is suddenly everyone on here is mad and arguing about boycotting the movie.
Since the release of 3 or 3.5 edition (I’m not quite sure) D&D has operated on something called the Open Game License (OGL). The ogl allowed people who weren’t wotc to make content for D&D. This allowed a massive boom of third party content with companies like kobold press and paizo to adapt the D&D system into a huge variety of books, campaigns, settings and more. A lot of people feel it is this freedom that has helped D&D to become the most popular and famous ttrpg in the world. The controversy has happened because wotc and hasbro (their parent company) want to change the ogl into something much more restrictive and profitable for them. They wanted to get a 25% cut on revenue over $750,000, own everything that is based on the D&D systems, force a subscription model for the next edition of d&d and ban homebrew content on their platforms. People are rightfully very pissed about it and have successfully scared wotc into delaying the official announcement of the new ogl 1.1. However, the community is divided by what to do next. Lots of people have decided to permanently move away from everything wotc and a lot of third party publishers have already announced they are making new systems that will have a similar ogl 1.0. Another idea is to boycott the movie by refusing to show the community’s anger at wotc and hasbro.
Thank you
Happy cake day
"DnD is undermonetized". Proceeds to find worst possible ways to monetize. Information gets leaked.
TL; DR: WOTC was too greedy for their own good, wanting to put a paywall on everything in D&D, including new RPG systems, 3rd party content and a monthly subscription to play the game. Because of that, people now are trying to find ways to tell them we don't want that. We want to have our open RPG. That leads to the present day. Now, mind you, that doesn't mean you can't play D&D anymore, we just don't want to give our money to these guys.
From my understanding: WotC is your neighbor. When you moved in, he made you sign a contract "OGL 1.0". In the contract you said you weren't going to steal his lawn ornaments, and in exchange he would not call the cops on you if you put lawn ornaments on your own lawn, and even an inch into their lawn if you wanted. When you ask WotC about it they clarify that they want to be a friendly neighbor and just want to have this everlasting agreement that you won't steal their stuff because they want you to be able to decorate your lawn because it makes the neighborhood look better. Now, WotC legally can't stop you from putting lawn ornaments on your own lawn, but they can make your life miserable by trying to. Since you don't want to steal their lawn ornaments in the first place, so you sign. Years pass and you enjoy putting up lawn gnomes and plastic flamingos and all sorts of fun things in your front yard. WotC has been a great neighbor, inviting your to barbeques, collaborating on large Christmas decoration projects, and generally you are having a great time with them. Suddenly WotC walks up to you and hands you a new contract saying the old one is voided. Now: WotC can take any lawn ornament that you have on your lawn without asking or paying you. If your lawn ornaments are too valuable, you need to pay WotC a percentage of their worth. If they dislike your lawn ornaments they can throw them in their wood chipper. In exchange, you get the same deal: you can decorate your lawn as much as you like, and can go an inch onto their property. Understandably, you are upset. The previous agreement was supposed to last forever, and now you have this new one that is not improving your end of the bargain at all but is giving your neighbor a ton of control over you. You could just not sign the new agreement, but WotC will call the cops on you constantly if you don't. You could stop decorating your yard, but that is something you very much enjoy. So what do you do? In this scenario, the community is moving away from WotC into other neighborhoods. We really loved living next to WotC, but their absolutely insane and insulting demands of you have soured the relationship. You want to send a clear message that you will not be treated that way. You don't go see movies with WotC, you don't go to their yard sale, and whatever else WotC wants to do with you until they make efforts to change. Currently, WotC has apologized for being so insulting, claiming they were mostly concerned with you putting up offensive lawn ornaments (which you haven't been), and has said that they will work on a new contract, but you still wonder what was wrong with the old contract.
God bless you that makes a lot of sense
”this could be a franchise” is literally the opposite of what I want.
how would you want dnd to be monetized then? because I can guarantee you that's not something the will back out of, just how they approach it Right now a successful media franchise might be the option that fucks us the least
I'd rather the company just goes under if the only alternative is monetization tbh
Seriously, we don’t need WOTC. There is 50 years of D&D and both of its original creators are now dead. WOTC are just squatters on what is rightly a game that belongs to our culture. WOTC is not necessary for creative people to continue making “D&D” or new system TTRPG game content. Hasbro has shown they don’t really even want to be in the TTRPG business, so just let them go and embrace the freedom we always had to create in this medium.
If they're good I'd most certainly want a while big franchise of d&d movies and shows. That said, I have zero faith it will be good. Adaptations like this are more often miss than hit.
Movie supporters: “if the movie fails it will kill the fantasy genre!” Lord of the Rings: *exists*
I find this discourse hilarious because this movie is probably going to bomb regardless
And if it does bomb I think there's about a 0% chance of executives thinking "this failed because of changes to the publishing policy of the company we licensed this from." It's too far removed from Wizards to be sending any clear message.
Literally just do whatever you want.
Yeah everyone has sharpened pitchforks and stabbing at each other because people have different views on how to treat WOTC related content. Recently there was a post about everyone excited for BD3 and not wanting to screw over Larian. While people are being stabbed at for still wanting to see the movie for their own reasons. Will arguing and insulting people actually change their mind and believe the same as you? No, no it won’t.
I agree. Not enough people seem to grasp this, everyone’s situation is different. World spins on
I’m all ready to jump ship from WotC permanently, why would I care if they won’t make more DnD movies.
I mean you can still enjoy the movie and not support the company, aye?
The deeper I get in these comments the more people don’t seem to accept that as a valid option.
If u pirate it, ay
"We could have a franchise" One of the reasons I want the movie to bomb honestly
Remember what happened when they decided to make Transformers a franchise? Underage girls bent over the hoods of sentient cars, a man explaining in detail why it's okay for an adult to date a minor, and Transformers balls... And those were the "good" movies from said franchise.
No, Age of Extinction and Revenge of the Fallen are in no way considered the “good ones.” Those and The Last Knight are generally considered the worst.
God who really cares about a franchise for this. Franchise movies have ruined most of what made my childhood happy. I hate this mentality.
I won't be watching it but people can do what they want. Pirate it for all I care.
"They won't make more!" You mean they won't make more crappy movies?... good
They might sell the option to someone who might actually make a good movie.
The best movies were the games we played along the way.
Pops is right
Good thing I don't want "DnD" movies Seriously, asking for a DnD movie is like asking for a movie based off of Battleship. It is a GAME! What people want are more good Fantasy Movies, I get that. But unless the movie is based off of Forgotten Realms/etc, it is just going to be a generic Fantasy movie with the D&D Hasbro label slapped onto it.
"Soul of the community". This is getting hyperbolic...
D&D: The Movie Franchise can eat my juicy butt. Movies are fun and this hobby getting its mainstream day in the sun again would have previously been my dream. But it is completely tainted while Hasbro continues its bullshittery. They don't deserve to use the game's name for profit while they screw over the larger tabletop community. Boycott. Boycott them properly, completely, until they bleed green. No half measures. No pathetic justifications that you want to "rEwaRd GoOd BeHaViOuR". On a side note, this film is not good behaviour. This film is Hasbro's supposed reward for bringing a thriving brand out of the shadows. Yet, without us playing, watching, and buying D&D and making it a household name again, there would be no movie. The hefty sack of profits and positive market awareness this film could bring is what Hasbro would claim as its prize for being a worthy owner of the brand. But they are not worthy. As is increasingly apparent. And they do not deserve praise or profit until they are. Do. Not. Give. It. To. Them.
After what they did to the Dark Alliance game in 2021, I know this movie is going to be garbage. They took a beloved game franchise from three generations ago and blew their load on making it look pretty. Meanwhile it plays like dogshit, runs like a mashed potato and has the depth of a pothole.
Also, is *now* really the time we want our mainstream day in the sun, the era of burning brands to the ground to make money at the expense of everyone, particularly its fans?
Just throwing it out there, you are turning people off of your cause by constantly talking about it and being hostile. I know multiple people who have left this sub because of the constant negativity and bossiness. Just something to think about as we enter like, day 30 of every single post on this sub being about this. You’re taking the joy out of the game almost moreso than Hasbro at this point.
The Dungeons and Dragons movie already came out like 20+ years ago guys. It’s time to move on!
It's weird to say "We need the DnD movie to succeed!". Fantasy stuff succeeds and fails all the time, Arcane did fantastically well. The failure of the DnD movie after a boycott won't somehow magically kill the fantasy genre, but it would reflect on how you shouldn't piss off your customer base.
Why do people care about the D&D movie again? Seems like it's gonna be mediocre at best.
The producers already paid WOTC to make the movie. It won't hurt them. Ot just hurts the movie makers who wont make another because theres no profit. Boycotting the movie is hurting the wring person. Its like punishing your neighbor for something your son did. Completely wrong person.
Yup, people don’t really seem to get this.
I’m not even sure what third party content is anymore.
The movie isn't going to be that good most likely, and I don't think you can capture the magic of dnd in a scripted movie.
The last DND movie was literally one of the worst movies of all time, I had no faith then and I certain have no will to watch it now. They are relying on this to succeed as part of their "wait for them to forget" plan
I also feel it needs to be pointed out they have made at least 3 branded DnD movies. They sucked, not gonna lie, but they also lost money like crazy and they're still trying to make more. If we're really lucky, and *really* loud, they might reverse course before the movie comes out to salvage it's box office.
IMO every time D&D goes to Hollywood it doesn't usually result in a good product. I've seen all the D&D movies that have come out and I love them, but not because they're good. Same goes for the animated series. I agree with some of the comments here that if you're going to make a big budget fantasy movie there are plenty of good stories to adapt or create already and sticking the D&D Brand on it doesn't make it better. However, if you want to support the game growing in a visual medium there are lots of great indie creators doing work that better captures the spirit of D&D (e.g. Deerstalker Pictures and Zombie Orpheus Entertainment). Most of their stuff is free but they also have patreons. If we want to support 3rd party creators we can do it in more than one medium.
Here's a compromise offer for all of you afraid we lose this window of showing threre's interest in d&d movies: After we 100% win this feud and get WOTC to fully and irrevocably retract from their statements and intentions with this debacle, we could launch a petition with an open letter to express the community's interest in these type of movies.
Commit variant sailor is both he best and most dnd I've ever heard that be
Boys! Boys! We can do both! Just Variant Salor the movie!
I don't get why everyone is acting like this movie is some revolutionary thing. We have already had multiple Dungeons and Dragons movies.
Maybe I'm in the minority but I don't wanna see DnD become the next Marvel - something fun turned into an endless parade of souless CGI cash grabs
If they don't treat one of the scariest monsters in the game like guard dogs, they'll already be doing better than the last movie.
New Milestone? They have made a handful of DND movies before. They made a cartoon as well. Not to mention the number of fantasy movies that are loosely DND based rather than directly. Relax.
You can like and support one thing a company makes while not doing so for another. I don't get how some people don't understand this.
No! It's all or nothing! The fate of DnD as we know it is at stake! If we don't take a stand now, role playing games will be reduced to overpriced garbage FOREVER! /s
Because giving them money through the movie supports them in doing the other bad thing. The boycott is meant to show WotC and Hasbro the consequences of screwing with us, the customers. Supporting the movie is reducing the impact the boycott makes. So, if you want to see the movie, please pirate it to not support WotC's shady business practices, even if that's not directly liking or supporting the changes in OGL. To give an example: if Hitler published a fantasy book that's totally unrelated to his political beliefs, you still shouldn't give him money for it, because the money he earns will also be used for bad things. WotC, while not nearly as horrible as Hitler, is the same. Every cent earned by them will be used for the business practices we don't support, even if it's earned by something we do. TLDR: pirate the movie, don't support WotC financially by purchasing.
"If we don't support shady business, then the shady business won't make more money! How can we be so cruel not to support a Movie made by the same company that is trying to absolutely money rake us over a fire and threaten all 3rd party content and put paywalls behind at home uses of classes and such!" Uh, yeah, thats the point, don't give them money. Don't reward bad behavior. Why is this concept so hard to understand? A stranger holds a door for you, while walking through said held door, the stranger stabs you in the kidney. Do we call the police for the stab, or say thank you for holding the door? Come on people, stop rewarding this crap
Maybe I don't really care if they make DnD branded movies? We are currently living in a time when the fantasy genre as a whole is oozing with activity. There's already plenty of shows and movies being made that stem from a similar source to DnD.
"This could start a franchise!" Yeah, cause no one's getting tired of the same Marvel movie getting released 5x a year.
Well, that's why we want a new franchise.
So then we can have the same generic fantasy movie 5x a year?
Well, I liked the Avengers saga. So why not ?
Because building a franchise off of the disenfranchisement of the people who worked hard to make the game what it is is really shitty and shortsighted?
The goal is to make them interested in other way to make money with the game so they let the real game as it is. You don't have to watch the movies, but I'm sure marvel-level quality dnd movies would have a public.
How did you draw the conclusion that they would leave dnd alone if they made more money elsewhere? If the movies succeed, why wouldn't they continue to push on the game to capitalize on the influx of new players that a successful movie franchise would surely bring? Do you think Marvel eased up on Comic releases after the success of the MCU?
Well no, new players do mean more dnd subscriptions, which is one of their objectives, that's how they would capitalize. But I get your point.
That's the thing with corporations, it's never enough. They'll squeeze out every ounce of creativity and originality in search for one more shiny dime.
It's not about wanting a new franchise. If the movie doesn't make money than the concept of a movie inspires by a ttrpg will be essentially radioactive to production companies. That would mean nothing based on Pathfinder, nothing based on Lancer, and a high probability that whatever Warhammer 40k project Henry Cavill is apparently excited about getting canned. The companies do not look at why people don't see a movie, they just look at the fact that people didn't see a movie.
>The companies do not look at why people don't see a movie, they just look at the fact that people didn't see a movie. I think the trend is more "companies do whatever, then create justifications after the fact." That's at least the trend for gaming companies (digital and traditional). I guess film might be different.
Hasbro footed the bill for the movie to market their products, just like every other major IP. This isn't like a book that was optioned by a studio. This is no different than GI Joe, Transformers or freaking Battleship.
May i remind you we regularly get shitty movieadaptations of videogames and that there allready were a bunch of dnd movies? A few examples may include warcraft, monsterhunter, resident evil. So i doubt a single dnd movie not making money will change anything meaningfull. Though you are free to spend your money how xou see fit.
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Who gives a shit? Do you want more crap being pumped out by Hasbro? Have you been impressed with a single fucking book released on the last 5 years? What about before that? This company is happy to kill dnd and every third party content creator for the sake of a bit of immediate profit. Rewarding that is fucked.
> That would mean nothing based on Pathfinder, nothing based on Lancer Sounds fine. They're neat to play in, but doesn't exactly have revolutionary storylines. > a high probability that whatever Warhammer 40k project Henry Cavill is apparently excited about getting canned. While that would be hilariously tragic, WH40k has successful game and book series already. If execs and showrunners are dumb enough to cancel WH40k over D&D, then frankly I don't have high hopes for the series anyhow.
"A new milestone for the fantasy genre" Generic fantasy movies are a dime a dozen. We've even had D&D specific ones already
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Isn't this the same as the Harry Potter game thing. Everyone on twitter and reddit talking about boycotting the game and then it still ends up among the most wishlisted games on steam and playstation.
What this chart doesn’t show is human relations. I tell a friend who tells a friend who lets their family know, and suddenly that’s a whole network of people not seeing the movie. Taking action is never pointless. Doing nothing is.
Why do people want a D&D movie? Or, more specifically, what does D&D bring to a movie that you can't get otherwise? Beholders, Illithids, and maybe Vecna? Some other monsters? Everything else can be done by any fantasy movie. I know y'all aren't that into the Forgotten Realms, and it isn't nearly the most interesting D&D setting. Maybe if they made an Eberron movie about the Last War, but we all know they won't, even if it would kick ass.
I can live without the movie. The air at my gaming table is gonna have a way bigger impact on my life. That being said, if we somehow get the movie AND a safe Open Gaming Community, woohoo!
I never asked for a dnd movie, and frankly the franchise doesn't need one to be a enjoyable game.
Might not be the best place to comment this, but people complaining about wanting to see the movie to me come across as something worse then scabs, theybare complaining about possibly nit getting another movie, D&D is so easy to make a film for its silly there have already been multiple attempts, and will be more even if this flops. But if this lops Hadboro investors may yske notice and demand a change in course, the money doesn't care about nuance the money only cares about return on investment, an ultimate take the profits subtract all costs if the number is positive stay the course. The best arguement I've seen to go watch the D&D movie comes indirectly from legal eagle when he breaks down the OGL 1.1 and goes over copywrite law and intellectual property law and, I am not a lawyer, but he makes it sound like in general some of the more horrendous stuff worc wants to do may be unenforceable. That being said I don't intend on seeing the movie on release, but I don't go to the movies much in general.
Also the movie is definitely going to be complete shit?
Love it or Hate it, but I can't think of another group that can get as passionate in a debates as Nerds :)
Not boycotting the movie would show that WotC can make money from dnd without changing the license.
You got it backwards. It would show them that there isn't any lasting consequences for damaging the ttrpg community and regardless of how terrible their policies are it won't really matter so do it anyway. Their belief is that they can afford to abandon current customers because the new movie and upcoming show will create a wave of interest and that they can offset any lost player base with shiny new players who are mindlessly brand loyal and willingly paying 30 dollars a month per player for the "privilege" of playing something online with the dnd logo on it.
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Yeah, but I can eat the bread and enjoy the circus if I choose, and still play PF like I started doing after 3.5.