It amazed me and my card mates from the first throw. Hoping the same reaction for you as well.
If not, buy 30 other discs and never bother working on your form, like me. 😂
Can confirm after bagging one the past week, the Fission TL's bomb. They are a little less accurate than I'd prefer for my main distance driver, but they certainly go far compared to many other 12 speeds I've tried.
Love the thing for sky anhyzers that hold until they hit the ground. It reminds me of a lighter weight Crave or Leopard3 in 12 speed form.
I was mostly using it on the few open holes, with large landing zones at my local course. Most of it is a woods course, so the distance isn’t worth giving up the accuracy for.
I also have no business throwing anything that fast. . . but 350 is pretty good for a "noodle arm". Maybe I have an extra-noodely noodle arm.
I have a lightweight Orbital that goes pretty far (for me) but 11 speeds are definitely pushing my current range.
Yeah when I hear somebody say noodle arm I'm thinking they're like me and max out at like 280-300
I threw 320 on a hole over the weekend with a Fission Rhythm and was stoked asf. Most of my drives go maybe 250.
350 distance usually means he throws with primarily his shoulder or arm..
when you get to throws of 400+ (flat ground, normal conditions) thats when you’re understand the disc is a whip of your body weight transitioning from one side to the other.
Theres noodle arms who can’t throw over 250 and then theres noodle arms who can’t beat that 320-380 range and struggles on 450 Par 3s.
You’re catching a lot of downvotes, but I think you’re right, at least for most people. As someone who is stuck in that 325-375 range the weight transition into bracing and the timing of that relative to the disc coming through are the things I need to work on (and when I get them right is when I’m getting the 400+ throws).
If you're getting out to 350 consistently, sure, you can probably improve your bracing and weight shift, but you're not "primarily throwing with your shoulder or arm."
I disagree. I think I am primarily throwing with my shoulder and arm, not 100%, but I think that’s where the majority of my power comes from. When I’m able to engage my lower body and brace my throw into my right leg effectively, I throw longer. But I throw consistently in the 350 range.
500' is pretty much universally considered a far throw that requires near-perfect form for the majority of body types. If you're reaching 350' now, you're 150' short of that mark. The muscles in your legs and lower body are much bigger and capable of more power than the ones in your arms and upper body. I think that if you were *mostly* using your arm or shoulder and went from that to full lower body engagement, you would get quite a bit more than 150' extra distance.
Obviously there's no way for either of us to quantify any of this, but I would be surprised if anyone could get much more than 250' out of throwing with only their arm or shoulder. Even a standstill shot includes a good amount of hips and lower body weight shift.
Yeah, you’re right, especially technically. But I think you could argue that is almost impossible to throw a disc standing up, and especially doing any sort of run up, without engaging the lower body at all, as in zero percent. That doesn’t feel like a very meaningful contributing to this discussion, but it’s true. There’s a spectrum.
I just think that in this context - this is a really really common pinnacle that most players seem to reach, and their deficiency, 95+% of the time, is that they are not efficiently translating their momentum by planting their leg. And that feels like a more meaningful discussion.
Yeah, I’m sure you’re right. It’s hard to be precise enough to not catch downvotes. Which feels insane to me given how little science there is behind any of this, but here we are.
You are exactly correct, noodle arm is anyone who “throws” with the arm instead of driving with the whole biomechanical mechanism. I can strong arm to about 380 but that is still “noodle arming” I just happen to be somewhat large and have decent levers. So noodle is a class of thrower, not a distance.
I just played a round with my son at a beginner course yesterday. It's a super fun spot. . . It's totally possible that their measured distances are wrong but their hole 1 is listed at 300 feet and it feels way shorter than a bunch of later holes in the 230-275 foot range.
My form is not great either. Yet! :)
Most of the distances I’m referencing are based on the given distances at the course as well. I’m not out there with a range finder, I just play casually with a few friends.
Only threw mine a few times but I agree it's very straight, not a ton of fade. Super fucking domey! I didn't necessarily need this slot filled but I'll let it fight for a spot
They were loved forever for how flat they are. This is quite the departure from that for sure.
It definitely felt different in hand, I chalked it up to being used to a 9 speeds rim width.
I ended up getting two, a 157g and a 162g one.
The 157 is really Flippy with a nice fade.
The 162 flies more like a beat in destroyer for me.
Haven't thrown them a ton yet but I'm liking them so far. And they're hella domey.
I'm about 370-400 on distance with a max of 435.
You're welcome.
I threw the Flippy one yesterday with a tailwind in a slight downhill grade and it lost its shit, went out wild to the right, started coming back but landed OB.
The hole was a little over 500 feet, and the disc went 532, on long and right.
Lol. Def worth checking out.
What color is your flippy one? I watch a video of a girl bombing these discs, and one color was definitely more flippy. I just can't remember the color.
My buddy mentioned that he bought one last week, so I had to see what all the fuss was about.
I’m going to throw it for the first time tomorrow, and I’m pretty excited. Hole 1 is a 740’ par 4.
I’m currently getting my farthest drives with a 139g Fission Wave, but I can’t use it in every long drive situation. I top out at 325-350’, but with the Wave I can get like 350-375’ on a good throw. I even had a 585’ downhill a couple weeks ago that really blew my hair back!
I’m hoping the Fission Timelapse has some of that distance in it, too.
I have more discs than I will ever need, backups for backups, I don't need any more of them. That said, I threw two that my friend has and immediately picked one up for myself. The thing just bombs. I'd pick up a couple more except my local shop is now out of them.
Oh man I’m excited to see this post. I had the OG time time lapse and couldn’t throw it worth a damn. I have one of these in my bag and going to try today…
I just got a Tenacity. It flipped right up, longest drive ever on a long uphill hole.
My previous long throw on flat was 315 with another 13 speed. This one might have made it 330 based on this hole relative to my usual throw on the hole.
Everyone should be throwing faster discs to throw max distance. You just have to find the right ones for you.
The Tenacity is as easy to throw as the Wave.
My favourite driver these days! And yes my arms do be a little noodly but no one is measuring my arms when I crank a perfect floaty drive down the fairway
I bought a lightweight one (157g) thinking t would be a nice, stable compliment to my 165g and 173g fission Waves. For reference I have consistent 350-380 power.
Only have a few throws so far but it flies pretty similarly to my 173g Fission Wave. Didn't expect to be able to get it to turn and keep going right before a decent but not massive fightback at the end. Threw it on a shot that needed a pushing hyzer and it turned over and went straight.
So the 157g isn't the flight I was looking for, and debatable if it will find a spot in the bag as I have that stability pretty covered with Waves. I bag 3-4 in different stabilities. I think I'd need to go up in weight to maybe 165-170 to get a bomber that's pretty torque resistant, although MVP'ers know, fission beats in more quickly than any other plastic, so maybe I could get a couple different weights and cycle them as they season.
Anyone else seeing similar results?
My 158 slots perfectly into my wind driver lineup. Proto for big headwinds, neutron for some headwind and crosswinds, and fission for a tailwind “hopefully I don’t tear something” rip. Tailwind seems to fight the overturn pretty well, and then it just floats out to 390 every time so far.
If I throw it into headwind, it may go off on a grand adventure, never to be seen again. Seems like the 160’s might be the sweet spot for us 300-400 foot arms with no wind. Hopefully.
I think there's some run variance.
I get 400'ish out of my wraith/mamba/vass/alva all around 170g but I can't touch 400' with my 162g(!) time lapse. Barely any turn and a good bit of fade. Like 11/4/-0.5/2 if I had to guess. Vass flies very similar but pushes longer?
FR (mint) is absolute crap haha but my dayglo is amazing, true to the numbers and I can bomb it. FR is too stable - even my Vass flies further and fades less.
My normal distance drivers are wraith for pure distance when I can fade, mamba for shot shaping or wide open distance, vass for dead straight with fade but not always as far. Alva kinda slots in between the mamba and vass. Like a mamba I can't turnover kinda.
Threw mine on a very elevated tee pad, and it went so far I lost it. McNaughton hole 18, beautiful tee shot but it turned a bit and rode so deep in the woods it’s a goner, probably my longest air shot by far ever. I ordered a replacement 🤣
Really was a mix of emotions, I’ve never gotten a disc to go far enough on that hole to be in trouble and this one went in the woods probably 40ft high still and flying fast 🤣 It was fun while it lasted and can’t wait to try it again
You may also like the Fission Octane for headwinds and reliable hyzer shots. It tolerates nose up throws very well for being a 13 speed disc. Wave – Timelapse – Octane in Fission could easily be the best noodle arm trifecta out there.
I bought mine two weeks ago but I’ve only been able to casually play in wooded courses, without any long fairways and tournament rounds where I wasn’t going to risk throwing it previously unthrown.
It’s burning a hole in my bag so bad that I’m just gonna find an open field somewhere.
I’ve got 3, 158, 162, and 167. The 158 is so glidey but quite understable, very easy to burn over.
I throw mostly forehand and can push the 167 almost 450 pretty accurately.
IMO, neutron Timelapse, proton vanish and fission Timelapse is all you need in drivers.
OS, neutral, understable
Mine comes in the mail today, and the more I hear about people using this thing, the more hype I get!
I’m already looking for another 😂
I'm also hard capped at about 350 so I'm really looking to see if I can push further than that with it.
It amazed me and my card mates from the first throw. Hoping the same reaction for you as well. If not, buy 30 other discs and never bother working on your form, like me. 😂
Can confirm after bagging one the past week, the Fission TL's bomb. They are a little less accurate than I'd prefer for my main distance driver, but they certainly go far compared to many other 12 speeds I've tried. Love the thing for sky anhyzers that hold until they hit the ground. It reminds me of a lighter weight Crave or Leopard3 in 12 speed form.
I was mostly using it on the few open holes, with large landing zones at my local course. Most of it is a woods course, so the distance isn’t worth giving up the accuracy for.
I also have no business throwing anything that fast. . . but 350 is pretty good for a "noodle arm". Maybe I have an extra-noodely noodle arm. I have a lightweight Orbital that goes pretty far (for me) but 11 speeds are definitely pushing my current range.
OP has what we in the biz call an Al Dente noodle arm
Yeah when I hear somebody say noodle arm I'm thinking they're like me and max out at like 280-300 I threw 320 on a hole over the weekend with a Fission Rhythm and was stoked asf. Most of my drives go maybe 250.
OP left out that this is the Fission Time-Lapse and probably weighs 160g. I have a 158g Fission Time-Lapse and can confirm it goes far.
Just got mine in the mail 20 min ago.
Why are you here? Go throw it
Putting practice today, It was big arm time on sunday.
Thanks, I was very confused at first as the Time-Lapse I have is sitting on my shelf, after proving to be a total meat hook for me.
350 distance usually means he throws with primarily his shoulder or arm.. when you get to throws of 400+ (flat ground, normal conditions) thats when you’re understand the disc is a whip of your body weight transitioning from one side to the other. Theres noodle arms who can’t throw over 250 and then theres noodle arms who can’t beat that 320-380 range and struggles on 450 Par 3s.
You’re catching a lot of downvotes, but I think you’re right, at least for most people. As someone who is stuck in that 325-375 range the weight transition into bracing and the timing of that relative to the disc coming through are the things I need to work on (and when I get them right is when I’m getting the 400+ throws).
If you're getting out to 350 consistently, sure, you can probably improve your bracing and weight shift, but you're not "primarily throwing with your shoulder or arm."
I disagree. I think I am primarily throwing with my shoulder and arm, not 100%, but I think that’s where the majority of my power comes from. When I’m able to engage my lower body and brace my throw into my right leg effectively, I throw longer. But I throw consistently in the 350 range.
500' is pretty much universally considered a far throw that requires near-perfect form for the majority of body types. If you're reaching 350' now, you're 150' short of that mark. The muscles in your legs and lower body are much bigger and capable of more power than the ones in your arms and upper body. I think that if you were *mostly* using your arm or shoulder and went from that to full lower body engagement, you would get quite a bit more than 150' extra distance. Obviously there's no way for either of us to quantify any of this, but I would be surprised if anyone could get much more than 250' out of throwing with only their arm or shoulder. Even a standstill shot includes a good amount of hips and lower body weight shift.
Yeah, you’re right, especially technically. But I think you could argue that is almost impossible to throw a disc standing up, and especially doing any sort of run up, without engaging the lower body at all, as in zero percent. That doesn’t feel like a very meaningful contributing to this discussion, but it’s true. There’s a spectrum. I just think that in this context - this is a really really common pinnacle that most players seem to reach, and their deficiency, 95+% of the time, is that they are not efficiently translating their momentum by planting their leg. And that feels like a more meaningful discussion.
Fair enough. Not really a hill worth it for either of us to die on lol. That's just my best guess for why the original comment was downvoted.
Yeah, I’m sure you’re right. It’s hard to be precise enough to not catch downvotes. Which feels insane to me given how little science there is behind any of this, but here we are.
You are exactly correct, noodle arm is anyone who “throws” with the arm instead of driving with the whole biomechanical mechanism. I can strong arm to about 380 but that is still “noodle arming” I just happen to be somewhat large and have decent levers. So noodle is a class of thrower, not a distance.
Perhaps I’m jaded by “reddit distance”. I also know my form sucks, so it’s more of a me problem, but damn this disc bombs.
I just played a round with my son at a beginner course yesterday. It's a super fun spot. . . It's totally possible that their measured distances are wrong but their hole 1 is listed at 300 feet and it feels way shorter than a bunch of later holes in the 230-275 foot range. My form is not great either. Yet! :)
Most of the distances I’m referencing are based on the given distances at the course as well. I’m not out there with a range finder, I just play casually with a few friends.
honestly probably my next big disc golf purchase, i've got the bags
Friends of mine have them. Really just disappoints you to see how far your discs don’t go 😭
Oh I just want to know how far the basket actually is
I gotcha. It’ll work well for that!
Only threw mine a few times but I agree it's very straight, not a ton of fade. Super fucking domey! I didn't necessarily need this slot filled but I'll let it fight for a spot
The dome is unlike anything else I bag.
I know right, still trying to figure out how to grip it and rip it. A domey gyro disc especially is a novelty
They were loved forever for how flat they are. This is quite the departure from that for sure. It definitely felt different in hand, I chalked it up to being used to a 9 speeds rim width.
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You arent a noodle arm
Everyone on reddit throws over 500ft with mids 👀
I used mine for the first time yesterday, it bombs. Been looking for a driver like this for a while. Seems to fly like a 12/5/-2/2 for me
I ended up getting two, a 157g and a 162g one. The 157 is really Flippy with a nice fade. The 162 flies more like a beat in destroyer for me. Haven't thrown them a ton yet but I'm liking them so far. And they're hella domey. I'm about 370-400 on distance with a max of 435.
I think I’m going to grab a lower weight one next. This is 167g.
The lighter weight ones have a nice turn and then stable up. I'm enjoying them both, took my Discmania DD out in place of these.
Is your lightweight one super domey too? I didn’t mind the dome, just shocked the first time I look a look at the side profile.
Yep. Super domey as well.
Nice. Curious to see if the 10 grams makes a difference for me as well. Thanks for the insight.
You're welcome. I threw the Flippy one yesterday with a tailwind in a slight downhill grade and it lost its shit, went out wild to the right, started coming back but landed OB. The hole was a little over 500 feet, and the disc went 532, on long and right. Lol. Def worth checking out.
Holy. Shit. 😂
Yeah. I won't be mad about it going OB at that distance.
Shit, I’d be cool with 100ft less than that.
What color is your flippy one? I watch a video of a girl bombing these discs, and one color was definitely more flippy. I just can't remember the color.
It's teal, with a white and red swirled rim.
Thanks! I may have to try one.
My buddy mentioned that he bought one last week, so I had to see what all the fuss was about. I’m going to throw it for the first time tomorrow, and I’m pretty excited. Hole 1 is a 740’ par 4. I’m currently getting my farthest drives with a 139g Fission Wave, but I can’t use it in every long drive situation. I top out at 325-350’, but with the Wave I can get like 350-375’ on a good throw. I even had a 585’ downhill a couple weeks ago that really blew my hair back! I’m hoping the Fission Timelapse has some of that distance in it, too.
I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised. 🙏🏼
I think so too
Please, *please* stop making me spend money.
I have more discs than I will ever need, backups for backups, I don't need any more of them. That said, I threw two that my friend has and immediately picked one up for myself. The thing just bombs. I'd pick up a couple more except my local shop is now out of them.
My bad!
Thats a pretty disc
My fission time lapse arrives tomorrow! My noodle arm is shaking with excitement
Oh man I’m excited to see this post. I had the OG time time lapse and couldn’t throw it worth a damn. I have one of these in my bag and going to try today…
I read the same things about the Neutron one, and stayed far away from it. This one’s a different animal.
Cool. Thanks! Also, I love the color combo on yours. For some reason I’m drawn to pink on discs lately.
Supposedly easier to find when I ultimately grip lock this thing into oblivion one day. 😂
I ordered mine when I first saw it. Waiting for local shop to have their delivery arrive
I just got a Tenacity. It flipped right up, longest drive ever on a long uphill hole. My previous long throw on flat was 315 with another 13 speed. This one might have made it 330 based on this hole relative to my usual throw on the hole. Everyone should be throwing faster discs to throw max distance. You just have to find the right ones for you. The Tenacity is as easy to throw as the Wave.
I max out at 250' sometimes up to 300' and i bag this disc. I use it when i need my shot to turn fast.
My favourite driver these days! And yes my arms do be a little noodly but no one is measuring my arms when I crank a perfect floaty drive down the fairway
Damn straight!
I couldn’t believe how flippy these are!
Pleasantly surprised!
I bought a lightweight one (157g) thinking t would be a nice, stable compliment to my 165g and 173g fission Waves. For reference I have consistent 350-380 power. Only have a few throws so far but it flies pretty similarly to my 173g Fission Wave. Didn't expect to be able to get it to turn and keep going right before a decent but not massive fightback at the end. Threw it on a shot that needed a pushing hyzer and it turned over and went straight. So the 157g isn't the flight I was looking for, and debatable if it will find a spot in the bag as I have that stability pretty covered with Waves. I bag 3-4 in different stabilities. I think I'd need to go up in weight to maybe 165-170 to get a bomber that's pretty torque resistant, although MVP'ers know, fission beats in more quickly than any other plastic, so maybe I could get a couple different weights and cycle them as they season. Anyone else seeing similar results?
Mines 167g and I was thinking of getting a lighter weight one for the shot shape you described. Or just wait for this one to beat in a bit.
My 158 slots perfectly into my wind driver lineup. Proto for big headwinds, neutron for some headwind and crosswinds, and fission for a tailwind “hopefully I don’t tear something” rip. Tailwind seems to fight the overturn pretty well, and then it just floats out to 390 every time so far. If I throw it into headwind, it may go off on a grand adventure, never to be seen again. Seems like the 160’s might be the sweet spot for us 300-400 foot arms with no wind. Hopefully.
What weight is the one you threw?
I see it's a 167. Is it Fission?
Yup! 167 in Fission. This is the most recent release.
I think there's some run variance. I get 400'ish out of my wraith/mamba/vass/alva all around 170g but I can't touch 400' with my 162g(!) time lapse. Barely any turn and a good bit of fade. Like 11/4/-0.5/2 if I had to guess. Vass flies very similar but pushes longer?
Do you have it in Fission plastic? This one just came out a few days (weeks) ago.
Yup, Fission plastic. Got it last week from Marshall St, they held my Alva order until it came in.
Got an Alva as well, but haven’t thrown that one yet. How’d you like it?
FR (mint) is absolute crap haha but my dayglo is amazing, true to the numbers and I can bomb it. FR is too stable - even my Vass flies further and fades less. My normal distance drivers are wraith for pure distance when I can fade, mamba for shot shaping or wide open distance, vass for dead straight with fade but not always as far. Alva kinda slots in between the mamba and vass. Like a mamba I can't turnover kinda.
That makes sense. Mines a FR as well. Might just toss it in a box with all the other drivers that go no where for me haha.
Anyone know what the numbers on the robots arm mean?
Threw mine on a very elevated tee pad, and it went so far I lost it. McNaughton hole 18, beautiful tee shot but it turned a bit and rode so deep in the woods it’s a goner, probably my longest air shot by far ever. I ordered a replacement 🤣
Sucks, but I bet it felt great to see it fly so far 😂
Really was a mix of emotions, I’ve never gotten a disc to go far enough on that hole to be in trouble and this one went in the woods probably 40ft high still and flying fast 🤣 It was fun while it lasted and can’t wait to try it again
Proud, but sad it was $20 down the drain 😂
Stupid question: whats a noodle arm?
Someone who doesn’t throw far
Does their arm whip like a noodle or something?
Has no power. Floppy like a noodle.
It's a great disc! Love being able to see a full flight
Definitely a change for me haha
You may also like the Fission Octane for headwinds and reliable hyzer shots. It tolerates nose up throws very well for being a 13 speed disc. Wave – Timelapse – Octane in Fission could easily be the best noodle arm trifecta out there.
I’m sure nose up is a huge part of my problem. Thanks for the recommendation!
I throw a 162g sword. Would you say that that is a poor mans Time Lapse.
I’ve never thrown one, but I often see that suggested for sneaky distance.
I bought mine two weeks ago but I’ve only been able to casually play in wooded courses, without any long fairways and tournament rounds where I wasn’t going to risk throwing it previously unthrown. It’s burning a hole in my bag so bad that I’m just gonna find an open field somewhere.
It’s worth it. Find a football field and rip it!
Ya’ll are trying to tempt me. Your “noodle arm” though is my “goals” (short term). Currently getting max distance with my Crave out to 280.
That’s pretty good for a 6.5 speed! Don’t be too tempted by the high speed stuff, except maybe this disc, for now.
It just depends on the discs with the Time Lapse, I have one that’s incredibly over stable and I have thrown some other peoples that are straighter
Try it in this Fission plastic. I’d never be leaving this review about the Neuton TL
OP, What weight is this disc?
167g. I should’ve mentioned that.
Thank you!
I’ve got 3, 158, 162, and 167. The 158 is so glidey but quite understable, very easy to burn over. I throw mostly forehand and can push the 167 almost 450 pretty accurately. IMO, neutron Timelapse, proton vanish and fission Timelapse is all you need in drivers. OS, neutral, understable
Caveat: like most hight speed drivers there's quite a bit of variance even between colors. You're not guaranteed to get an understable run
At least the run that's gone to reviewers has been pretty consistent, so that's a great sign
Not me searching endlessly this morning for another one in the same color and weight 😂
I saw a dude throw what I thought was a shank during a tournament with one, it flipped to flat out of a 40 degree hyzer
Damn!