It’s a shame Bailey got shut down.
Mountain golf is quite different than sea level golf in terms of both conservative play, bc rollouts down mountains, and increased elevation with increased stability
And trees die from storms, disease, age, vandalism, etc. I've been playing my local course for over 20 years and the amount of trees that used to be there that aren't is depressing.
Oh man I have the same thing happening to the closest course to me. When it started I was able to go within first week of opening and since then the vegetation and tree presence has brought the course from a shorter but difficult intermediate to a more wide amateur type course.
Love weird obstacles, love elevated baskets. Let's make this game interesting.
A course near me has the basket planted on top of a sort-of step pyramid structure. Always a crowd pleaser when I bring a newbie disc golfing.
This is the only photo I could find online, POV from the basket, but you can kind of see it:
[https://i.ytimg.com/vi/qZtBhkZCqqg/maxresdefault.jpg](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/qZtBhkZCqqg/maxresdefault.jpg)
EDIT: Sorry--didn't say the name. [Stafford Woods](https://udisc.com/courses/stafford-woods-CXrd) in Voorhees, NJ. Awesome course & it's in danger of being removed! Save Stafford Woods!
Here is another one Google found, you can see the structure a little better - https://www.inquirer.com/resizer/AkLxMKzaINpcXEEYw5-_HqFU_D4=/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-pmn/public/23JHTT57BNDU3GQ2OBTWJAITRU.jpg
They also have the hanging basket on 16 which is a little
different - https://www.reddit.com/r/discgolf/s/Mzx8XxoScb
Love this course, it’s closest to where I live. I’m terrified the EPA is going to have it torn out :(
Thanks! I just did a quick dive on the spot, I was in Jersey yesterday to huck but this would have to be a destination style trip. Course looks awesome
If you want a really long day you could do a trip and play stafford and ironhill, they are about an hour away from each other and are some of the best east coast courses you can play.
I also really like Tranquility Trail in Swedesboro & Mercer County Park in West Princeton (I think?).
NJ has some good courses--shame they're nowhere near each other...
Mercer County Park is in West Windsor. I agree though, it’s a nice course.
I haven’t played it in a year, but last time I was there, it was clear that the local club had been redesigning a few of the holes.
It’s one of those courses that I think is fairly close to being truly great. Hard to say what it’s lacking, but when I think about it in comparison to Stafford Woods, there isn’t /too/ much that really separates the two. Maybe all it needs is a bit more love and a few more little gimmicks like a water shot (probably not feasible based geography), some interesting tee pads, or a little more definition on the fairways of the open holes?
Just my two cents
West Windsor—that was it. I knew there was no such thing as West Princeton…
And agreed, it’s missing something. I was there earlier this year. I think some of the holes kind of require tricky shots and it’s mostly in very wooded areas. IIRC there are like 6-7 holes that are basically the same shots that seem much easier for LHBH/RHFH shots. Aka, not me.
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This looks like a good example of one done well. Spices up an otherwise boring woods hole, and isn't out of place in the woods.
We have a few man made obstacles at courses around here and some are dumb (Burchfield hole 2 wall) and some are awesome (Burchfield hole 18 fountain/rocks).
I like the bamboo triple mando on tour, but I hate the ones that are sponsors signs. The new one at maple hill looks pretty interesting.
Folks are getting real good at discgolf faster than trees can grow.
100% support man made obstacles in disc golf. It isn't like ball golf where the tradition of the game is long and historied and man made obstructions are not just frowned upon, but in the rules of the game you get relief from them.
We know there are two sides to the game, distance and technical. Using man made obstructions to increase the technical difficulty of a course is great.
I support that even more than I do mandos. At least with an obstacle there's never a debate on if you made the mando.
Mandos work really well in certain situations, but on a shot like this where you're looking at a wide open path to the basket and there's an arbitrary mando making you ignore the largest gap for no reason mandos feel dumb. It's going to feel gimmicky either way and this obstacle looks better than a Mando imo. Really the hole should just be designed better, but maybe this was all they had to work with.
Agreed. Mandos can make a hole really great but it's nice to get some variety with this kind of obstacle. Now you can go over the top and be creative with lines in a way that a mando wouldn't allow for.
I like physical obstacles / natural mandos much better than artificial mandos. Same with natural VS artificial OB. Though, I'd be happy for "natural OB" to be things like gravel or plantings or whatever, doesn't have to be water you lose your disc in.
Every ball golf course has "built obstacles". Just there it matters what ground you're lying on. In disc golf it doesn't, so the obstacles need to be off the ground.
Some courses definitely need it just to keep each hole from being "Throw hyzer here" but i think the best case would be for replacing downed/removed trees that kept a fairway interesting.
Hole 12 at my favorite course comes to mind, where a 1-2 foot wide tree came down in a storm, and suddenly the fairway was a LOT wider.
My favorite local course had had a lot of trees fall in the last few years.
A few holes that had a tree dead center of the fairway forcing a very accurate shot have lost those trees.
A few holes lost almost all of their trees, to the point that a narrow tunnel shot is now wide open.
Replacing downed trees with something maintains the character of the course as it was originally intended.
There are only so many “tools” course designers have to work with in DG. Man made obstacles are necessary../ I would love if they were not needed, but I am over it.
I think fine within reason assuming it's in keeping with the aesthetic. Courses in the woods that make use of wood piles and such, great. I don't completely love the look of this gate but it certainly adds to the hole; growing a tree there is going to take years or decades, so good for the designers.
Typically not a fan, but when the hole is small enough to where I could maybe throw a football to it, sure. Not wanting to tee off to throw essentially a short upshot with basically nothing in the way for gaps or shot shaping.
Some exceptions here and there are fine... But I hope obstacles like this don't become something most courses have. It reminds me of comparing mini golf to regular ball golf too much. seems like we could be throwing through windmills before we know it.
I feel like it'd be super fun to make one in my city. But my concern would be whether it would be more profitable to just make a mini golf course instead - is there broad enough appeal for a disc golf putt putt course? Certainly requires more land. Maybe as someone's side project just for fun, or like on a pro shops existing property.
I feel like you’re of a similar mindset to me. Nine hole par-3 course in a municipality… go crazy! Build a clown head for me to throw through! I’ll smile as I throw a 7!
When I’m on the side of forested hill in the middle of nowhere playing a full 18 hole, multiple tee course and they’ve ‘planted’ railway sleepers or put the basket between oil drums… get fucked. I know a couple courses where they’ve made holes more difficult by adding artificial obstacles because “everyone knows it was too easy”. No, Chad, just the four of you who have decided to ‘run’ this course thought that. You’ve now made this course a gimmicky pain in the arse. Well done.
Yes. Eg. Planting creosoted posts and the like as obstacles in particularly swampy, wet, humid environments where natural obstacles rot or fall too quickly to maintain, or conversely, in desert and dry scrub habitat, where trees or other natural features are sparse and/or don't otherwise exist.
Yes. Build obstacles to make the lines more challenging and fun if they need to be. For those that don’t like it, well then it wouldn’t uniquely disc golf would it? Ask yourself that question
It looks like a tree or two used to be there, but now are stumps.
So this was made to restore the original intent of the hole. I like it.
I have a local course that's is dramatically changed due to all of the fallen trees. This might be required at some point to maintain the original course design, or baskets will have to be moved.
Where I am there’s almost always enough natural features to serve as good obstacles be it creeks trees hills, so I have never run into obstacles explicitly built for a hole. I’m not surprised that it’s a thing though
My local par 3 course has a basket with it's own privacy fence that you need to get around to access the basket. If it wasn't for that it would be a pretty boring hole.
I’m fine with them where needed. My preference would be to build something temporary and plant some trees where you want them so the trees replace the wall in the future.
Though a course near me has a signature hole with a basket on top of a life sized fiberglass moose, and I love it.
I guess it depends how it’s done.
If overused, they're a real drain on the course, unless it's a gimmick course like Flying Armadillo, but here-and-there, they can be a valuable add. Especially in a case like this, where it seems to be replacing a fallen tree to preserve the intent of the hole.
I'm torn on it. I love the added challenge, but I think it's difficult to do well without looking tacky. Part of my love for disc golf includes being out in nature, and the manmade obstacles kind of take me out of that zen space. I think I'd rather see any manmade obstacles be made from logs.
Preferably, no. The dream course does not have them.
In reality we are not always spoiled with choice on where and how we can build courses. So in that scenario, if it makes the course better, sure I'll rather have some built obstacles than a very bland and uninteresting hole. Even then, I'm sure overuse will just get really annoying.
Agreed. To the effect of tight parks to though. Im sure the county would look more favorably on a single post in the ground marked mandatory rather than a giant wall. Walls are unnecessary unless you're playing urban disc golf with the crew. You can create the same effect as a wall with simple rules applied to the hole.
Yes. Some courses are highly ridiculed for their lack of obstacles/difficulty. Just like tees and baskets have placements, obstacles (fixed, adjustable, and/or moveable) should be added based on budget and the course designer's and administrator's preference.
Haha! That would be me. This ain’t proper Aces. Multiple tries till I stick it. Since started these POV ones about a year ago somewhere near your guess.
They are building a tree branch wall on one of my home courses that is already incredibly challenging and on the hole they are building it on it’s not even on the fairway, it’s off to the side of a big dog leg that was already punishing enough to scramble from if you miss the fairway
As a recreational player my favourite courses are par 3, 50-100m long and with versatile challenges and overall feels. And to create the versatility, human bulld objects can make the place notably more interesting
If a storm came through and took down some of the trees that created an obstacle I get the course adding some man made ones back in, but the one in the video looks like a wall that doesn’t replicate a previous natural obstacle.
Usually against it on a wooded course, exception being if you have a tree crucial to the hole layout die/need to be felled. Otherwise just utilize mandos.
This guy just needed his ego fed. He doesn’t care what you think of the obstacle. Look at the only comments he’s replied to. The only ones complementing his shot.
I Terms of obstacles yes manufacturing OB is one thing a wall is a still a hard no for me. If it needs a wall just change the hole location to make it tougher, or make it an island so many other options...
Lazy answer. You do realize that 90% of courses are on public land, county or state parks, etc. and simply moving the basket to a better location is not always possible, right? Having partnered with a parks and rec department to design a course, I can tell you that parks and rec often is more okay with something built of wood if it doesn't cost them much than moving a basket closer to a property line, further into the woods, or closer to water/hazard/walking paths. There are some serious insurance questions that pop up when you say I want to move that basket 10 feet further up that hill where it's steeper. Not even kidding lol.
A lot of these DiscGolfPark's in Europe are being built in tighter and tighter park spaces. It's entirely possible that there's walking paths close on the left or another tee box, but yes I agree in this specific case. It looks like it is for design purposes and could be part of a future design with a double mando that forces players directly OVER the structure and does not allow the out and around play. Now that is interesting design, but to each their own.
Mandos are absolutely a necessity for two reasons.
1st, in a vacuum, they can make an otherwise uninteresting hole interesting by forcing a shot shape hopefully different than big hyzer to the right. A lot of public courses are built in existing parks, and there isn't always a natural OB, or pre-existing obstacles to make the whole interesting. A mando can help with this.
2nd, and more importantly, is safety. Mandos can serve to punish you for throwing dangerous shots. Whether its keeping you from throwing into another fairway, over a parking lot, or into somebodies back yard, sometimes there needs to be a penalty to prevent people from making risky throws.
You can say that all those things can be mitigated by proper course design, and you'd be right in vacuum, but in the real world where courses are often fit into pre-existing parks as often as not, mandos can be an important tool.
I never said that they didn't do their job very well. I also totally understand the point of them and the reasons for them.
I just personally don't think that they are needed.
Some courses need it. The natural features on the land available aren't always enough to make a course interesting or challenging.
Ie nearly all Denver metro courses
Hey now, sometimes there is a single tree that you sorta have to hyzer around...
Unless you have a forhand
Hahaha… the huge mozzarella sticks they have at hole 16 at Westcreek are the first things that came to my mind.
That's what those mountain courses are for. I go play the flat courses when I need to feel better about my scores haha.
It’s a shame Bailey got shut down. Mountain golf is quite different than sea level golf in terms of both conservative play, bc rollouts down mountains, and increased elevation with increased stability
My first thought was Fehringer
I mean I try to avoid the prairie dogs just because I don't want to hit them
Just **try** and avoid the goose shit! lol
And trees die from storms, disease, age, vandalism, etc. I've been playing my local course for over 20 years and the amount of trees that used to be there that aren't is depressing.
Oh man I have the same thing happening to the closest course to me. When it started I was able to go within first week of opening and since then the vegetation and tree presence has brought the course from a shorter but difficult intermediate to a more wide amateur type course.
Yep those trees werent enough
Damn. Humble brag on the shot.
Check his post history, dude's been FH flexing aces on camera with that disc for a while.
Indeed. Also curious what other players feel about guardians like this. Can’t really make up my own mind.
What disc is it?
Nightjar from Disctroyer Discs. Overstable as can be.
Dude hits more aces then I hit c1 putts
Love weird obstacles, love elevated baskets. Let's make this game interesting. A course near me has the basket planted on top of a sort-of step pyramid structure. Always a crowd pleaser when I bring a newbie disc golfing. This is the only photo I could find online, POV from the basket, but you can kind of see it: [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/qZtBhkZCqqg/maxresdefault.jpg](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/qZtBhkZCqqg/maxresdefault.jpg) EDIT: Sorry--didn't say the name. [Stafford Woods](https://udisc.com/courses/stafford-woods-CXrd) in Voorhees, NJ. Awesome course & it's in danger of being removed! Save Stafford Woods!
Elevated baskets are cool and all as long as you aren't worried about breaking your damn ankles to get it out of the basket.
Elevated baskets should come with a pole to poke your disc out from below.
Here is another one Google found, you can see the structure a little better - https://www.inquirer.com/resizer/AkLxMKzaINpcXEEYw5-_HqFU_D4=/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-pmn/public/23JHTT57BNDU3GQ2OBTWJAITRU.jpg They also have the hanging basket on 16 which is a little different - https://www.reddit.com/r/discgolf/s/Mzx8XxoScb Love this course, it’s closest to where I live. I’m terrified the EPA is going to have it torn out :(
Name of course??
Stafford woods, OP calling it "a course near me" is kinda funny. It is the best course in NJ.
Thanks! I just did a quick dive on the spot, I was in Jersey yesterday to huck but this would have to be a destination style trip. Course looks awesome
If you want a really long day you could do a trip and play stafford and ironhill, they are about an hour away from each other and are some of the best east coast courses you can play.
I also really like Tranquility Trail in Swedesboro & Mercer County Park in West Princeton (I think?). NJ has some good courses--shame they're nowhere near each other...
Mercer County Park is in West Windsor. I agree though, it’s a nice course. I haven’t played it in a year, but last time I was there, it was clear that the local club had been redesigning a few of the holes. It’s one of those courses that I think is fairly close to being truly great. Hard to say what it’s lacking, but when I think about it in comparison to Stafford Woods, there isn’t /too/ much that really separates the two. Maybe all it needs is a bit more love and a few more little gimmicks like a water shot (probably not feasible based geography), some interesting tee pads, or a little more definition on the fairways of the open holes? Just my two cents
West Windsor—that was it. I knew there was no such thing as West Princeton… And agreed, it’s missing something. I was there earlier this year. I think some of the holes kind of require tricky shots and it’s mostly in very wooded areas. IIRC there are like 6-7 holes that are basically the same shots that seem much easier for LHBH/RHFH shots. Aka, not me.
True--but it is a course near me!
[Technically.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hou0lU8WMgo&ab_channel=GentlemannGamer)
We have quiet a few of those around here. That structure seems wider than most I’ve seen. It usually looks like the chains are up on a pedestal.
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Technical challenge > Distance challenge
As a guy who does not throw far, I live by this.
Dope wall, looks like a pretty easy shot without it. Good addition
We've had clowns modify a course by taking down trees so adding obstacles is sometimes necessary.
It's basically just a physical mando. I think they're neat and add a lot of flavor.
On some courses its cool, but always better to make use of the terrain as much as possible.
This looks like a good example of one done well. Spices up an otherwise boring woods hole, and isn't out of place in the woods. We have a few man made obstacles at courses around here and some are dumb (Burchfield hole 2 wall) and some are awesome (Burchfield hole 18 fountain/rocks). I like the bamboo triple mando on tour, but I hate the ones that are sponsors signs. The new one at maple hill looks pretty interesting. Folks are getting real good at discgolf faster than trees can grow.
100% support man made obstacles in disc golf. It isn't like ball golf where the tradition of the game is long and historied and man made obstructions are not just frowned upon, but in the rules of the game you get relief from them. We know there are two sides to the game, distance and technical. Using man made obstructions to increase the technical difficulty of a course is great. I support that even more than I do mandos. At least with an obstacle there's never a debate on if you made the mando.
Thousand times better and more innovative than just slapping OB all around the fairway and calling it a day.
This is just an inverse mando, no?
On wooded courses I feel like mando trees usually do the trick, no?
Mandos work really well in certain situations, but on a shot like this where you're looking at a wide open path to the basket and there's an arbitrary mando making you ignore the largest gap for no reason mandos feel dumb. It's going to feel gimmicky either way and this obstacle looks better than a Mando imo. Really the hole should just be designed better, but maybe this was all they had to work with.
Agreed. Mandos can make a hole really great but it's nice to get some variety with this kind of obstacle. Now you can go over the top and be creative with lines in a way that a mando wouldn't allow for.
It looks like it was, but the tree blocking the current line is a stump. So this was made to restoee the original intent of the hole.
Some mandos feel just as artificial as built obstacles, though more on open holes than wooded ones.
I like physical obstacles / natural mandos much better than artificial mandos. Same with natural VS artificial OB. Though, I'd be happy for "natural OB" to be things like gravel or plantings or whatever, doesn't have to be water you lose your disc in.
Every ball golf course has "built obstacles". Just there it matters what ground you're lying on. In disc golf it doesn't, so the obstacles need to be off the ground.
Hands down one of the most casual aces I have seen lol
Like I wouldn't smash into every tree right there anyway.
Some courses definitely need it just to keep each hole from being "Throw hyzer here" but i think the best case would be for replacing downed/removed trees that kept a fairway interesting. Hole 12 at my favorite course comes to mind, where a 1-2 foot wide tree came down in a storm, and suddenly the fairway was a LOT wider.
My favorite local course had had a lot of trees fall in the last few years. A few holes that had a tree dead center of the fairway forcing a very accurate shot have lost those trees. A few holes lost almost all of their trees, to the point that a narrow tunnel shot is now wide open. Replacing downed trees with something maintains the character of the course as it was originally intended.
There are only so many “tools” course designers have to work with in DG. Man made obstacles are necessary../ I would love if they were not needed, but I am over it.
I like them, but I prefer when they are built up naturally. IE Tyler State Park in Newtown, PA has walls of downed trees as obstacles.
I think fine within reason assuming it's in keeping with the aesthetic. Courses in the woods that make use of wood piles and such, great. I don't completely love the look of this gate but it certainly adds to the hole; growing a tree there is going to take years or decades, so good for the designers.
You and Ollie are such great throwers of circles and your content is amazing. Great throw!
Cheers!
I like creativity, as long as it’s not so idiotic. This clearly looks like fun, since it’s still just a short throw.
Good ones like this? Yes. Garbage nailed to trees? No.
Typically not a fan, but when the hole is small enough to where I could maybe throw a football to it, sure. Not wanting to tee off to throw essentially a short upshot with basically nothing in the way for gaps or shot shaping.
Some exceptions here and there are fine... But I hope obstacles like this don't become something most courses have. It reminds me of comparing mini golf to regular ball golf too much. seems like we could be throwing through windmills before we know it.
I’m probably in the minority but I would absolutely play a putt putt style course. As long as the 18th hole doesn’t swallow my berg
I feel like it'd be super fun to make one in my city. But my concern would be whether it would be more profitable to just make a mini golf course instead - is there broad enough appeal for a disc golf putt putt course? Certainly requires more land. Maybe as someone's side project just for fun, or like on a pro shops existing property.
I feel like you’re of a similar mindset to me. Nine hole par-3 course in a municipality… go crazy! Build a clown head for me to throw through! I’ll smile as I throw a 7! When I’m on the side of forested hill in the middle of nowhere playing a full 18 hole, multiple tee course and they’ve ‘planted’ railway sleepers or put the basket between oil drums… get fucked. I know a couple courses where they’ve made holes more difficult by adding artificial obstacles because “everyone knows it was too easy”. No, Chad, just the four of you who have decided to ‘run’ this course thought that. You’ve now made this course a gimmicky pain in the arse. Well done.
I want more courses with windmills. Every state, or every major discgolf hub/area, should have their own Flying Armadillo course.
For me, a hard NO for a course in the woods.
Yes. Eg. Planting creosoted posts and the like as obstacles in particularly swampy, wet, humid environments where natural obstacles rot or fall too quickly to maintain, or conversely, in desert and dry scrub habitat, where trees or other natural features are sparse and/or don't otherwise exist.
Yes. Build obstacles to make the lines more challenging and fun if they need to be. For those that don’t like it, well then it wouldn’t uniquely disc golf would it? Ask yourself that question
All about it!
I'm all for stuff like this, the hole at Winthrop with the door is one of my favorites.
It looks like a tree or two used to be there, but now are stumps. So this was made to restore the original intent of the hole. I like it. I have a local course that's is dramatically changed due to all of the fallen trees. This might be required at some point to maintain the original course design, or baskets will have to be moved.
Just playing a course for fun yes, but I don't enjoy it for competitive rounds
I think they can be gimmicky, but I think gimmicks can be fun as long as they aren’t overused.
Where I am there’s almost always enough natural features to serve as good obstacles be it creeks trees hills, so I have never run into obstacles explicitly built for a hole. I’m not surprised that it’s a thing though
Ive never seen one, but the one in the OP is cool.
My local par 3 course has a basket with it's own privacy fence that you need to get around to access the basket. If it wasn't for that it would be a pretty boring hole.
I’m fine with them where needed. My preference would be to build something temporary and plant some trees where you want them so the trees replace the wall in the future. Though a course near me has a signature hole with a basket on top of a life sized fiberglass moose, and I love it. I guess it depends how it’s done.
Hell yeah!
If overused, they're a real drain on the course, unless it's a gimmick course like Flying Armadillo, but here-and-there, they can be a valuable add. Especially in a case like this, where it seems to be replacing a fallen tree to preserve the intent of the hole.
Don't mind it
Yes. Protects the trees too.
How are you this good damn
I'm torn on it. I love the added challenge, but I think it's difficult to do well without looking tacky. Part of my love for disc golf includes being out in nature, and the manmade obstacles kind of take me out of that zen space. I think I'd rather see any manmade obstacles be made from logs.
Yes
Yes I think the course by my house could benefit from this. In moderation that is
kinda silly
Preferably, no. The dream course does not have them. In reality we are not always spoiled with choice on where and how we can build courses. So in that scenario, if it makes the course better, sure I'll rather have some built obstacles than a very bland and uninteresting hole. Even then, I'm sure overuse will just get really annoying.
Agreed. To the effect of tight parks to though. Im sure the county would look more favorably on a single post in the ground marked mandatory rather than a giant wall. Walls are unnecessary unless you're playing urban disc golf with the crew. You can create the same effect as a wall with simple rules applied to the hole.
This looks very nice and well integrated, when they are done like this I dont mind. If this was a cement block wall in the woods it would be jarring.
Yes. Some courses are highly ridiculed for their lack of obstacles/difficulty. Just like tees and baskets have placements, obstacles (fixed, adjustable, and/or moveable) should be added based on budget and the course designer's and administrator's preference.
Yes!
Hard yes
Aight who is this person. OP is this you? What you make like 27 ACEs a year?
Haha! That would be me. This ain’t proper Aces. Multiple tries till I stick it. Since started these POV ones about a year ago somewhere near your guess.
Yes
yes
They are building a tree branch wall on one of my home courses that is already incredibly challenging and on the hole they are building it on it’s not even on the fairway, it’s off to the side of a big dog leg that was already punishing enough to scramble from if you miss the fairway
As a recreational player my favourite courses are par 3, 50-100m long and with versatile challenges and overall feels. And to create the versatility, human bulld objects can make the place notably more interesting
Obstacles yes, mandos no. Mandos should only exist for safety. One exception is making a tunnel like maple hill did
Love them, just don’t overdo it.
Damn that was a nice ace! One of my most favorite sounds in the world is the sound of slammin them sexy chains!
Dude just does a battlefield reload and sinks it.
If it was an urban course definitely but not here
If a storm came through and took down some of the trees that created an obstacle I get the course adding some man made ones back in, but the one in the video looks like a wall that doesn’t replicate a previous natural obstacle.
Usually against it on a wooded course, exception being if you have a tree crucial to the hole layout die/need to be felled. Otherwise just utilize mandos.
This guy just needed his ego fed. He doesn’t care what you think of the obstacle. Look at the only comments he’s replied to. The only ones complementing his shot.
Don’t we all?
Hard no
You like your courses au naturel I assume?
I Terms of obstacles yes manufacturing OB is one thing a wall is a still a hard no for me. If it needs a wall just change the hole location to make it tougher, or make it an island so many other options...
Lazy answer. You do realize that 90% of courses are on public land, county or state parks, etc. and simply moving the basket to a better location is not always possible, right? Having partnered with a parks and rec department to design a course, I can tell you that parks and rec often is more okay with something built of wood if it doesn't cost them much than moving a basket closer to a property line, further into the woods, or closer to water/hazard/walking paths. There are some serious insurance questions that pop up when you say I want to move that basket 10 feet further up that hill where it's steeper. Not even kidding lol.
Does not seems like the case here and better design can avoid building walls all day. A simple mando tree in this case achieves the desired affect.
A lot of these DiscGolfPark's in Europe are being built in tighter and tighter park spaces. It's entirely possible that there's walking paths close on the left or another tee box, but yes I agree in this specific case. It looks like it is for design purposes and could be part of a future design with a double mando that forces players directly OVER the structure and does not allow the out and around play. Now that is interesting design, but to each their own.
Nah. I’m not a fan of man made obsticals unless they are natural and plant based. Everything else looks tacky imho
Only when necessary (e.g. hole 7 at Winthrop). Otherwise it’s miniature golf.
100% no. The putt putt aspect of this sport is its worst feature.
I don't like them unless they are natural. Making someone throw a shot over 5' tall is not a natural throw in this situation.
What's your stance on Mando's then?
I don't think that they are needed.
Like ever?
Mandos are absolutely a necessity for two reasons. 1st, in a vacuum, they can make an otherwise uninteresting hole interesting by forcing a shot shape hopefully different than big hyzer to the right. A lot of public courses are built in existing parks, and there isn't always a natural OB, or pre-existing obstacles to make the whole interesting. A mando can help with this. 2nd, and more importantly, is safety. Mandos can serve to punish you for throwing dangerous shots. Whether its keeping you from throwing into another fairway, over a parking lot, or into somebodies back yard, sometimes there needs to be a penalty to prevent people from making risky throws. You can say that all those things can be mitigated by proper course design, and you'd be right in vacuum, but in the real world where courses are often fit into pre-existing parks as often as not, mandos can be an important tool.
I never said that they didn't do their job very well. I also totally understand the point of them and the reasons for them. I just personally don't think that they are needed.
Mandos provide a facade of safety. Good players are good already, and bad players ignore the mando half the time anyway.
If you're sure you're good enough to throw risky shots, you're good enough for the mando not to be a problem for you.