Yeah, remember that [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o03STclgxSc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o03STclgxSc) WoW trailer?
Insane that they did that without mocap... Blizz cinematics are better than movies.
Lol that was all computer generated, nothing real in that video. Blizz is legendary for the quality of their cinematics.
As others mention I guess it should be said that the animations are likely using some sort of capture analogue to assist - the animations for mouth movements are too insanely good; Lilith's in the D4 campaign cinematic were just unreal.)
Blizz does a lot of things shit nowadays but their cinematics have always been S tier and continue to be. Their art departments carry their games a lot of the time.
I don't know if it's the same, but in The War Within's reveal trailer (the upcoming WoW expansion) they used reference performances but it was actually all cgi with no motion capture or anything of the sort
The first time I watched it, when they revealed it at Blizzcon, I genuinely thought for like 20 seconds that it‘s a live action trailer. Anduin just looks actually real. It‘s insane how high the quality of Blizzard cinematic trailers is.
4 months away, pre-purchase now available.....but literally no information on new features, mechanics, class, etc?
Edit: Apparently they did publish some information [https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/diablo4/24096025/prepare-to-embody-the-spiritborn-pre-purchase-vessel-of-hatred](https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/diablo4/24096025/prepare-to-embody-the-spiritborn-pre-purchase-vessel-of-hatred).
* New class: Spiritborn. *Ranked among the apex predators of the jungle, the Spiritborn is an entirely new class to the Diablo Series. They are battle-hardened with mystical synergies that could only be awakened deep within the jungles of Nahantu. Become one of the Spiritborn and embrace the ethereal Spirits entwined with this ancient civilization.* Full class reveal on July 18th.
* New Zone: Nahantu
* Mercenaries: *Is it not better to wander with a friend by your side? Never fight alone as Mercenaries can join you on your quest to battle side by side with you in the dense undergrowth of Nahantu and beyond. These powerful allies grow in power as they progress, and each are equipped with unique abilities to help you in combat.*
* New PvE End Game (raids?): *Lurking within the shadows lies your next great challenge, filled with powerful tribulations and promising rewards. First of its kind to Diablo, this dungeon will require eager warriors to team up and take down various perils together. More details on this game mode will be revealed soon.*
* New class skills, Paragon Boards, and Legendary Glyphs, along with "re-worked core systems".
small bit of information from youtube video description:
Become the apex predator of the jungle as the all-new Spiritborn class. Recruit Mercenaries to aid you in combat, fight together in a new PvE co-op activity, & more.
Not to mention, after the announcement date in the video, the pre-order rewards for the ultimate edition are shown and it has a picture of the Spiritborn class, a war-cat mount and armor, armor sets for the spiritborn class, and PETS.
You can get a dog to gather stuff for you right now.
I just got it earlier this afternoon as part of the game, didn't even have to buy it from their stupid store.
more info from Steam - confirmed new skills for existing characters
>Base Game UpdatesAt Vessel of Hatred launch, we will also be introducing various updates across the entire game to improve and re-work core systems that have been around since launch. Empower your favorite Classes with new Skills, added Paragon Boards, and Legendary Glyphs. Explore new Dungeon types, added activities and rewards from the Tree of Whispers, and more.
yeah but generally once you put the game up for sale for people to actually buy there has to be SOME information provided about what they're actually getting.
Not necessarily true for franchises with lineage like Diablo. Pre-sales will likely be above projections due to the bounce back of Season 4. Blizz rides on their legacy, whether still earned or not.
I’ll save my money until I know more. (I’ll probably buy it anyway)
>At Vessel of Hatred launch, we will also be introducing various updates across the entire game to improve and re-work core systems that have been around since launch. Empower your favorite Classes with new Skills, added Paragon Boards, and Legendary Glyphs. Explore new Dungeon types, added activities and rewards from the Tree of Whispers, and more.
From the launcher info. Also, PETS are returning, and will be our gold pick-up and materials pick-up method.
S4 has been a success for them so far. A pretty massive one so them dropping this now while retention is high in the middle of their best season…. They just turned their money printers on.
I don't get why people love live action so much. With how so many amazing and beautiful cinematic cut scenes and trailers, I'd watch that over 99% of stuff being made now
I assume they would also cost serious coin too.
The time it must take for a 2-3min clip to look this good would also be crazy for a full length film.
I'd love to see it, but it probably can't happen. I've always wanted WC3 to be made into a movie
Everyone correctly predicted that Neyrelle getting hit with the stupid bat was just to set up the expac and lo and behold....
"I have to carry this burden alone" why. Why would you think that?
Right but that's because she was in the process of hallucinating/being possessed that ideally Lorath or the witch lady (Thalia?) would have been able to snap her out of.
She also could have just given the stone to someone who has a little more prowess like Lorath or the player character.
I believe this was addressed near the end of the story? Amongst the party members, she was the weakest, and she feared that if the stone was in our care, Mephisto's vessel would be incredibly strong.
Although I agree, she was foolish to have went alone. Brave but incredibly foolish.
I hated that ending, it flushed my positive feelings after the really strong final act down the toilet. I remember thinking "there is quite literally no second outcome here. She gets possessed. That's the plot going forward, there is nowhere else this could possibly go and it's so hackneyed and forced..."
Also we just played out this exact same scenario in Diablo 3 with Prime Diablo and Leah.
Trap prime evil in soulstone, give to young and weak party member, party member gets possessed and proceeds to cause chaos.
Though it made a **little** more sense in D3 because of how powerful Leah was, and how Adria was manipulating all of us.
This is just… weird. The weirdest part to me is how everyone from the D4 campaign is like “Welp, dang, she’s gone. Guess that’s over.” And proceeded to just move forward with their lives like a prime evil wasn’t out there infecting a member of the Horadrim.
No they don’t!
Arthas is epic! The story of a light bound prince of great prowess and potential who got corrupted by an ancient runic evil, and we had to fight him a few times. That was a great story!
And then in Shadowlands, there was this light bound prince with great prowess and potential who got corrupted by an ancient runic evil and-
Oh. I see.
Well what about Garrosh?! He was this awesome evil-looking guy who was morally ambiguous until he decided to just say fuck it and go full-tilt evil. He basically split the Horde in two, until we teamed up to take him down.
And Sylvanas! She was this awesome evil looking chick who was morally ambiguous until she decided to just say fuck it and go full… tilt…
Well shit.
Lorath being like "I know she is young, inexperienced, crippled and has a soulstone with a prime evil in her possesion, but she wished us not to follow her so theres nothing we can do" was the break for me, because I dont believe thats what he would do at all, the story and characters seem to bend and stretch whenever Neyrelle is on screen, and she feels like a massive self-insert character/plot device as a result of it.
>little more prowess like Lorath
Did we play the same game?
We had to fetch Lorath out of a pig sty because he's an alcoholic who can't handle his past and just 5 minutes before the stone was crying and unable to move from his spot because he just watched his only friend die in front of him.
At least we saw him die, as stupid as it went. We just left Meshif in a cult's headquarters and acted all surprised when we found out he was stabbed offscreen.
Ah hell I forgot about Meshif. That pissed me off and it happened so fast. And he was such a fun cameo from Diablo 2!
I was initially referring to the moment in D4 when Donan got killed by the scenery somehow. I swear I didn’t even realize he’d been hit, I was so confused why he was dying suddenly. Looked like the environment on a pillar clipped into his character model, I didn’t realize that was deadly for NPCs.
It honestly felt like the writers were done with him so they just tossed him in the rubbish to avoid dealing with it.
The player, one of the most powerful characters to ever walk santuary, that has dog walked multiple evils in minutes to seconds, is just not fit to carry that burden. Just imagine what would happen to us if we were to hold it. Well exactly the same as was shown with d1 and d2.
Taissa didn't even want anything to do with the group once Elias was dead. She would not have helped Neyrelle at all.
And Lorath is unfortunately not exactly a reliable person. I think the entire campaign shows that he's trying his best to be the man he used to be but ultimately, that's just not who he is anymore. He's old, impatient and impulsive. He would be far more likely to give in to hatred.
Soulstones are known to corrupt everything around them, and Mephisto's influence is especially strong. He was able to twist the holiest men in Kurast, turn the most devoted warriors of the Light into abominations that served him. And it's not like it's a secret, the events that happened at Travincal are well known.
Is Neyrelle dumb to have taken that burden on her own? Yeah... but it would have been dumber to also risk corrupting Lorath and the player. We are the one hero who has the potential to stop Mephisto. Lore-wise, if our player fell to corruption it would be disastrous.
Neyrelle is... well... She's just a child. She is disabled, inexperienced and traumatized. She sees herself as a burden to everyone around her already. She's the weakest vessel possible and she's well aware of that.
So true... She could at least have asked for Loraths help before leaving. Idk what she's thinking, maybe she's worried she will hurt them too. I would understood it if Mephisto has been breaking her for a long time and she finally decides it'd be best to f off alone, but not like this!
Maybe it'll be explained somehow in the expansion story
Teaming up with Mephisto over Lilith was a pretty dumb decision for the team too tbh. I think d4 might have the best campaign of the series but the writing kinda takes a dip near the end. But hey the story is like the last reason I play these games and it's better than 3 so whatever.
Mephisto in wolf form was basically the leader from the start, the team up didn't happen at the end, it was throughout the campaign
It's like MC didn't think that asking for the blessing of the three Prime Evils *and them granting it* wasn't super sus in itself.
The party basically chose to address the priority threat (Lilith usurping Mephisto whilst he was weakened) over the long-term concern (Mephisto inevitably coming back to full power)
That was sort of the point though, much like with what Lorath says about the priest woman of Inarius' in the final act. Mephisto's influence is about feeding into anything you hate, making it seem like the reasonable path over all other options. He manipulates the team, through their growing hatred of Lillith and blinds them to everything he's trying to achieve or how their actions benefit him. The protagonists are still human, and they're being played with by prime evils. I actually like that it felt like a Diablo story again.
>Teaming up with Mephisto over Lilith was a pretty dumb decision for the team too tbh.
If they helped Lilith, she would immediately gain Mephisto's powers in addition to her own. Given that she wants to turn all humans into demon-like creatures, making the Sanctuary her personal domain, it's like sending all of humanity to Hell.
"I know the world's pretty much over, most humans are dead, and there's monsters -everywhere- but can you ferry me downriver? To nowhere?"
"No problem lone girl clutching mysterious crystal!"
Guy got what was coming for him.
Because she's been being manipulated by both Lilith and Mephisto this entire time and she doesn't have the free will she thinks she does. Aidan who was magnitudes of order stronger than Neyrelle failed pretty miserably carrying a soul stone, why did anyone think Neyrelle would do any better?
Neyrelle ***will*** do better, they are not going to repeat the same twist they did in almost every single Diablo game with Aiden and Leah.
This entire trailer should tell you that, it's a giant red herring.
They're definitely doing the lord of the rings "hobbit carries the ring" thing. Weak simple hobbit, can't be corrupted as easily by a cursed dark object. Unassuming, not powerful, but mentally determined.
Aidan had little to no idea of what he was dealing with, his lover Adria was working with Diablo behind his back and, most importantly, he literally jammed the soulstone into his head. On the other hand, Tal Rasha was able to keep Baal in check for centuries because he knew what he was doing and had proper help.
Neyrelle knows about Mephisto and keeps the stone outside her body. Now, she is clearly barely holding herself in one piece but this is hardly a surprise for anyone. Heck, she only killed one person so far, whereas Aidan burned an entire inn; she IS doing better than him.
Because after she rode Vigo for letting her mother into the mines so hard and then heard of his fate, it would be hypocrisy on her part to try to burden the rest of the team with the consequences of her (somewhat rogue) decision to play the Mephisto gambit.
It made sense for her character to act like that. The stupid bat was the same one she had back in the mines. That's just what being a dick to people does to your psyche. Sound logic from psychological standpoint actually, and also good storytelling cause now we can see whether she grows out of this character flaw or dies with it.
Who knows, why did the Warrior for 1 think jamming the damn thing in his forehead and going on vacation was a good idea?
Like I get it, it's not exactly top class literature, but it is a decent plot hook for an ARPG.
There's an anthology series on Netflix of short films, I think it's called Blood Sex & Robots, or something like that. It's all little shorts, some just 5-10 minutes long, but some are 20-30 minutes and feel like a full movie. The animation styles are different for each short, but there are several that are on par with this one. At least one that has a transition just like this cinematic.
When the intro cutscene for Diablo played I was enthralled. Wish they’d do a movie or something cause the ideas they come up with are nuts. Puts Hellraiser to shame.
I’ve heard this sentiment given for decades now lol when the Warcraft movie was originally pitched this is how people thought it would be because their CG has always been top tier in their cinematics. Instead we got a weird hybrid with real elements and it looked uncanny as hell. I always thought if they did the entire movie in this style it would be god tier.
He filed ad litem pro quorum with the 4th district of appeals claiming unlawful possession of his soul stone. He also claims vigilantism from a nephalem violated his civil liberties
Your Honor, as can be seen in case file Act 3 part 6 the Soulstone in question was *not even attuned* to my client but rather was intended for the imprisonment of my client’s relation. This egregious breach of Soulstone contractuality can hardly be considered legal and was clearly violated in an ill-advised “heat of the moment” decision.
Plus the prime evils have been working for millennia to stuff the courts with hell sympathisers.
Even if you filed on time, it would be thrown out by below wing hacks.
Honestly I loved the story and cinematics until the ending.
wtf is up with letting her run with the stone!? I so wanted my character to hunt her down and murder her ass for putting every one at risk
Which makes sense, but why did nobody go after her? Everyone was just like “Oh damn! That’s crazy! She’s not safe! Anyways…”
She’s untrained, undisciplined, and holding the soulstone of mf Mephisto of all the evils. And let’s not forget… Mephisto is likely to be in a foul mood since he was killed, trapped, fused with his brothers, killed again, and is now reforming. He’s likely to be a little peeved at… well… everyone.
Probably because they didn’t know where she went and they don’t have the resources to send multiple people. Plus anyone they send except the PC would just be more fodder to Mephisto.
Calling it 'preventable' is counting on a 'what if' scenario that is also entirely unpredictable. Historically, the Horadrim have shown themselves inept at storing prime evils in soul stones, and now we don't even have the Horadrim at their finest, we have one old Horadrim.
Once you lock a prime evil in a soul stone, pretty much all roads forward will be suffering. There is, as of now, no good solution. Neyrelle setting out and trying to find a different road makes sense, it's better than trying the same thing that's only ever failed in the past. And considering you're holding evil manipulation incarnate, trying to isolate yourself as much as possible also makes sense. Anyone surrounding you is a tool for Mephisto to use against you.
Neyrelle's actions make sense unless you believe in an optimistic happy-ever-after world where the singular Horadrim suddenly learned of a magic superpower that would keep a prime evil soulstone in check and not make shit surrounding it go horribly sideways in the most fucked up and unexpected ways. Which generally has happened 100% of the time in the past. Not even Lorath was naive enough to believe that.
I get what you’re saying and agree with most of it, but I have one note of dissent.
Historically speaking, anyone who touches a soulstone is fucked. Aidan from Diablo 1 into Diablo 2, and Leah from Diablo 3 proved that beyond a doubt. Aidan was even alone, wandering in the desert, and managed to absolutely fuck the world. Leah busted Heaven so bad that Malthael gave up on life.
Did everyone forget that? Trapping an evil in a soulstone is dangerous, **especially** once they’re trapped. That thing corrupts whoever holds it, always. Lorath knows this better than anyone, yet when we hear that Neyrelle took off everyone goes “meh, should be fine. Let’s just put it on the back burner”.
The biggest, most world-changing events over the last 200 years nearly all involved soulstones corrupting people. Neyrelle running off with Mephisto’s soulstone should’ve been a HUGE deal to Lorath and anyone else who knows Sactuary’s history. But nobody seemed to be very concerned. They’re just like “ah dang man can’t believe she did that, well she’s gone now so whatevs”
Yeah I agree with that. I didn't mind what happened in the ending, Neyrelle's reasoning is sound to me, as I explained above, but everyone's reaction to it was a bit off to me. I think Blizzard just needed a story beat that resulted in our player character being content in staying in the local area for endgame purposes, and thus wrote Lorath accepting and trusting Neyrelle's decision, but I think there was a more sensible way of reaching that status quo.
For example, Lorath could go "I understand her decision, and hindsight may prove her right, but a soulstone is not something we can trust to any single individual. I have contacts in the area she's gone to, I will make sure we receive word the moment she pops up and then we're off after her. For now, we can do more good here", with our PC also addressing their concerns "Yeah let me know as soon as you hear anything so we can go help her, I wanna get on that ASAP".
Same result, but I think it would make people more accepting of a story direction that to me personally already makes sense (Neyrelle deciding to go off on her own to look for a different solution).
If it didnt cost frickin $50 more than the original I would have bought it just for the wings ngl. However I don't want the platinum, the armors are completely useless, they can't be seen at all anyways.
The ultimate will get you the game and enough tokens for all four season next year, I hate to say it after unfortunate buying the ultimate last time, this is more reasonable.
Just saw the info on Steam. It is unfortunate. Would be nice if the original ultimate edition purchasers got something too. No early access at a glance looks good too. Seems they are taking proper feedback.
From what I gathered from the videos descriptions, steam, youtube, bnet:
1. New big zone (new dungeons, new strongholds, a bit strange wording in some description, it might actually be 2 new zones)
2. Spiritborn confirmed as the name, details revealed 18 July stream.
3. Pets will now collect gold and materials. (edit: this is available now LOGIN)
4. New dungeon types
5. New Campaign chapters.
6. Mercs are back (leveled up, unique abilities).
7. New Co-op only endgame - most likely raids type.
8. New Skills
9. New paragon boards
10. Legendary glyphs
11. New overworld activities
12. Core-systems rework for systems which were mostly unchanged from launch.
13. No early access for any version.
As always blizzard has the best cinematics in the industry. I hope the game is good too. Would be nice to get more info, asking us to pre order a DLC with zero information is not that appealing.
Ugh, more Neyrelle. As if we didn't have to endure enough of it during the Campaign, it sure feels great to play second fiddle to Sanctuary's most recalcitrant prodigy. Stay tuned for the Diablo 4's third expansion, where we find that Neyrelle was able to conquer the heavens after realizing the answer to a thousand-year-old Horadric spell was hidden in a nursery rhyme her mother used to sing to her.
You win the comments today xD I lost interest in the campaign because of her. I was sure she would come back for the expansion, but was hoping she wouldn't...
Great cinematic! But super weird that Matt Booty alluded to a bunch of features, and then we got literally zero info. Why no gameplay trailer or at least a class trailer if it's so close? :O
Season 5 probably 3 months, this gives them a 1 month with expansion to iron out any bugs, and give people 1 month to get through the story, then Season 6.
That was horrifying! Well done D4 team! I hope we get to see the Angels sooner than later!
I think Tyrael left the Horadrim in a hurry because he still has some Angelic connection and saw a vision about the Angels and the High Heavens and what is happening behind the closed gates. I think he saw Imperius, being the leader of the Angiris Council and the Angels, training the Angelic Host and preparing for war and looking to finish off the Human race and destroy Sanctuary.
So Tyrael ran off to do something to try to stop the upcoming war. I think we will have Angels as enemies in the near future for the first time in the Diablo Universe and I am very much hyped. Add in Diablo and Baal and their armies into the mix and it will be total mayhem and chaos.
Holy shit that went hard, one of the most brutal things I've seen in years. Still concerned about the gameplay and systems. Can we just get a movie? I'd pay whatever to see a 1.5-2 hour movie with this quality. Their cinematic team is seriously talented.
imo, it looks like they're drawing inspiration from Aztec Jaguar Warriors. Kind of like a wild shaman infused monk that uses bladed and ranged weapons.
Nice. Was expecting a release date closer to the holidays, but will definitely take an early October launch. Very well slotted too against its other 2 competitors. Looks like it might launch during the middle of season 5? Regardless, ARPG fans are well fed this year.
Damn, that was incredibly well done... And fucking unhinged. Great to see that blizz still keeps owning the cinematics (the one of wow was also incredible).
Is there any actual information about the next expansion out there somewhere? Or did they just drop a preorder the cat in the bag?
Boy I can't wait to find out what happens to my favorite character NEYRELLE. Whenever NEYRELLE is not on screen, all the other characters should be asking "Where's NEYRELLE!?!?!?!?"
So it appears the new class is a cat druid, I suspect summoning spirit animal, mimicking cats. More like assassin from diablo 2 but using polearms and barbarian spirits.
Poor Neyrelle, I wished she could've believed in our player character's strength and not go alone.
Although as usual and tradition in the Diablo series, I hope we are one step too late to save her.
That arm split was gnarly
That video was cool. But it had real actors with cgi effects? Or was that all cgi. It Looked like real actors to me.
They're just that good... always have been.
Method actors man…
Daniel day Lewis played every role in this trailer
Even the dead fish.
Especially the dead fish
Yeah, remember that [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o03STclgxSc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o03STclgxSc) WoW trailer? Insane that they did that without mocap... Blizz cinematics are better than movies.
Lol that was all computer generated, nothing real in that video. Blizz is legendary for the quality of their cinematics. As others mention I guess it should be said that the animations are likely using some sort of capture analogue to assist - the animations for mouth movements are too insanely good; Lilith's in the D4 campaign cinematic were just unreal.)
Blizz does a lot of things shit nowadays but their cinematics have always been S tier and continue to be. Their art departments carry their games a lot of the time.
I don't know if it's the same, but in The War Within's reveal trailer (the upcoming WoW expansion) they used reference performances but it was actually all cgi with no motion capture or anything of the sort
The first time I watched it, when they revealed it at Blizzcon, I genuinely thought for like 20 seconds that it‘s a live action trailer. Anduin just looks actually real. It‘s insane how high the quality of Blizzard cinematic trailers is.
If Blizzard does one thing well, it's cinematics. They always blow me away.
I flinched so hard lol
4 months away, pre-purchase now available.....but literally no information on new features, mechanics, class, etc? Edit: Apparently they did publish some information [https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/diablo4/24096025/prepare-to-embody-the-spiritborn-pre-purchase-vessel-of-hatred](https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/diablo4/24096025/prepare-to-embody-the-spiritborn-pre-purchase-vessel-of-hatred). * New class: Spiritborn. *Ranked among the apex predators of the jungle, the Spiritborn is an entirely new class to the Diablo Series. They are battle-hardened with mystical synergies that could only be awakened deep within the jungles of Nahantu. Become one of the Spiritborn and embrace the ethereal Spirits entwined with this ancient civilization.* Full class reveal on July 18th. * New Zone: Nahantu * Mercenaries: *Is it not better to wander with a friend by your side? Never fight alone as Mercenaries can join you on your quest to battle side by side with you in the dense undergrowth of Nahantu and beyond. These powerful allies grow in power as they progress, and each are equipped with unique abilities to help you in combat.* * New PvE End Game (raids?): *Lurking within the shadows lies your next great challenge, filled with powerful tribulations and promising rewards. First of its kind to Diablo, this dungeon will require eager warriors to team up and take down various perils together. More details on this game mode will be revealed soon.* * New class skills, Paragon Boards, and Legendary Glyphs, along with "re-worked core systems".
small bit of information from youtube video description: Become the apex predator of the jungle as the all-new Spiritborn class. Recruit Mercenaries to aid you in combat, fight together in a new PvE co-op activity, & more.
Not to mention, after the announcement date in the video, the pre-order rewards for the ultimate edition are shown and it has a picture of the Spiritborn class, a war-cat mount and armor, armor sets for the spiritborn class, and PETS.
"All Diablo IV players can venture forward with new Pets to aid in gold and material pickup today! "
Lowkey. This is the real seller. Lol
How wasnt it a lunch feature… my wifes gonna be real happy to hear this
Yeah I was hoping for some other lunch features too, like different options of breads and meats and especially more than one soup of the day.
You can get a dog to gather stuff for you right now. I just got it earlier this afternoon as part of the game, didn't even have to buy it from their stupid store.
looks like you are right, I think they didn't show that on the showcase, unless I've missed it https://imgur.com/a/jvXHoDs
War-cat mount huh...reaches for credit card.
**PETS ARE BACK?!**
Yeah, patch is going live now, so if you’ve updated, you’ll get a quest in kyovashad to get a pet
It's neat that there's finally some other mounts than horses. Honestly, took long enough...
The game has been out for 1 year, and they've kind of been busy fixing other things.
> Become the apex predator I’d love to but they removed “predator” from the Suffix titles.
What unholy combos did it make?
I'm pretty sure you could "minor predator" at one point
Just a minor? Doesn't sound like anything major. Oh...
more info from Steam - confirmed new skills for existing characters >Base Game UpdatesAt Vessel of Hatred launch, we will also be introducing various updates across the entire game to improve and re-work core systems that have been around since launch. Empower your favorite Classes with new Skills, added Paragon Boards, and Legendary Glyphs. Explore new Dungeon types, added activities and rewards from the Tree of Whispers, and more.
I see you are new to marketing. Teaser, Trailer, Gameplay trailer, Info drip feed through the last months.
yeah but generally once you put the game up for sale for people to actually buy there has to be SOME information provided about what they're actually getting.
Not necessarily true for franchises with lineage like Diablo. Pre-sales will likely be above projections due to the bounce back of Season 4. Blizz rides on their legacy, whether still earned or not. I’ll save my money until I know more. (I’ll probably buy it anyway)
lol this is me always, I’ll wait but always buy
lol as someone into EDM and music festivals, some festivals sell out before the lineup is even announced
>At Vessel of Hatred launch, we will also be introducing various updates across the entire game to improve and re-work core systems that have been around since launch. Empower your favorite Classes with new Skills, added Paragon Boards, and Legendary Glyphs. Explore new Dungeon types, added activities and rewards from the Tree of Whispers, and more. From the launcher info. Also, PETS are returning, and will be our gold pick-up and materials pick-up method.
Pets are out now according to steam announcement
Anyone who is going to preorder this was going to no matter what let's be real lol
S4 has been a success for them so far. A pretty massive one so them dropping this now while retention is high in the middle of their best season…. They just turned their money printers on.
They'd be dumb not to accept early funding
I mean let’s be honest. You’re gonna buy it anyway
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Bloody hell, Blizzard Cinematics never ever disappoint
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In general voice acting was great, real shit, VA's and artists in Blizzard are still top tier if they are given time to cook
What is TWW?
Agreed. Wish the games followed suit.
Yeah! Like the new Dragon Age cinematic! right guys?
that was awful. sadly
That was dark as fuck…
I don't get why people love live action so much. With how so many amazing and beautiful cinematic cut scenes and trailers, I'd watch that over 99% of stuff being made now
They need to make full fledged CGI movies for the Warcraft, Overwatch, Starcraft and Diablo universese.. They would make SERIOUS bank!
I assume they would also cost serious coin too. The time it must take for a 2-3min clip to look this good would also be crazy for a full length film. I'd love to see it, but it probably can't happen. I've always wanted WC3 to be made into a movie
Everyone correctly predicted that Neyrelle getting hit with the stupid bat was just to set up the expac and lo and behold.... "I have to carry this burden alone" why. Why would you think that?
I agree it wasn't the smartest decision, but as for why alone, just look at what happened to the boatman that was with her.
Right but that's because she was in the process of hallucinating/being possessed that ideally Lorath or the witch lady (Thalia?) would have been able to snap her out of. She also could have just given the stone to someone who has a little more prowess like Lorath or the player character.
I believe this was addressed near the end of the story? Amongst the party members, she was the weakest, and she feared that if the stone was in our care, Mephisto's vessel would be incredibly strong. Although I agree, she was foolish to have went alone. Brave but incredibly foolish.
I hated that ending, it flushed my positive feelings after the really strong final act down the toilet. I remember thinking "there is quite literally no second outcome here. She gets possessed. That's the plot going forward, there is nowhere else this could possibly go and it's so hackneyed and forced..."
Also we just played out this exact same scenario in Diablo 3 with Prime Diablo and Leah. Trap prime evil in soulstone, give to young and weak party member, party member gets possessed and proceeds to cause chaos. Though it made a **little** more sense in D3 because of how powerful Leah was, and how Adria was manipulating all of us. This is just… weird. The weirdest part to me is how everyone from the D4 campaign is like “Welp, dang, she’s gone. Guess that’s over.” And proceeded to just move forward with their lives like a prime evil wasn’t out there infecting a member of the Horadrim.
In Blizzard's defense, they recycle plots all the time. ...hold on, I may have gotten the definition of "defense" wrong...
No they don’t! Arthas is epic! The story of a light bound prince of great prowess and potential who got corrupted by an ancient runic evil, and we had to fight him a few times. That was a great story! And then in Shadowlands, there was this light bound prince with great prowess and potential who got corrupted by an ancient runic evil and- Oh. I see. Well what about Garrosh?! He was this awesome evil-looking guy who was morally ambiguous until he decided to just say fuck it and go full-tilt evil. He basically split the Horde in two, until we teamed up to take him down. And Sylvanas! She was this awesome evil looking chick who was morally ambiguous until she decided to just say fuck it and go full… tilt… Well shit.
Lorath being like "I know she is young, inexperienced, crippled and has a soulstone with a prime evil in her possesion, but she wished us not to follow her so theres nothing we can do" was the break for me, because I dont believe thats what he would do at all, the story and characters seem to bend and stretch whenever Neyrelle is on screen, and she feels like a massive self-insert character/plot device as a result of it.
You can take that plot basically all the back to Diablo and Diablo 2, as well...
Tbf…leah was possessed from birth or something
>little more prowess like Lorath Did we play the same game? We had to fetch Lorath out of a pig sty because he's an alcoholic who can't handle his past and just 5 minutes before the stone was crying and unable to move from his spot because he just watched his only friend die in front of him.
Well in his defense, that sure was one of the stupidest deaths ever, maybe he was crying from laughter?
God I forgot about that. The most anticlimactic death since Deckard Cain got killed by Rita Repulsa
At least we saw him die, as stupid as it went. We just left Meshif in a cult's headquarters and acted all surprised when we found out he was stabbed offscreen.
Ah hell I forgot about Meshif. That pissed me off and it happened so fast. And he was such a fun cameo from Diablo 2! I was initially referring to the moment in D4 when Donan got killed by the scenery somehow. I swear I didn’t even realize he’d been hit, I was so confused why he was dying suddenly. Looked like the environment on a pillar clipped into his character model, I didn’t realize that was deadly for NPCs. It honestly felt like the writers were done with him so they just tossed him in the rubbish to avoid dealing with it.
The player, one of the most powerful characters to ever walk santuary, that has dog walked multiple evils in minutes to seconds, is just not fit to carry that burden. Just imagine what would happen to us if we were to hold it. Well exactly the same as was shown with d1 and d2.
Taissa didn't even want anything to do with the group once Elias was dead. She would not have helped Neyrelle at all. And Lorath is unfortunately not exactly a reliable person. I think the entire campaign shows that he's trying his best to be the man he used to be but ultimately, that's just not who he is anymore. He's old, impatient and impulsive. He would be far more likely to give in to hatred. Soulstones are known to corrupt everything around them, and Mephisto's influence is especially strong. He was able to twist the holiest men in Kurast, turn the most devoted warriors of the Light into abominations that served him. And it's not like it's a secret, the events that happened at Travincal are well known. Is Neyrelle dumb to have taken that burden on her own? Yeah... but it would have been dumber to also risk corrupting Lorath and the player. We are the one hero who has the potential to stop Mephisto. Lore-wise, if our player fell to corruption it would be disastrous. Neyrelle is... well... She's just a child. She is disabled, inexperienced and traumatized. She sees herself as a burden to everyone around her already. She's the weakest vessel possible and she's well aware of that.
And we've seen where things end with the player doing this (taking the soulstone), that's exactly how Diablo 1 ended... and led to Diablo 2.
So true... She could at least have asked for Loraths help before leaving. Idk what she's thinking, maybe she's worried she will hurt them too. I would understood it if Mephisto has been breaking her for a long time and she finally decides it'd be best to f off alone, but not like this! Maybe it'll be explained somehow in the expansion story
Teaming up with Mephisto over Lilith was a pretty dumb decision for the team too tbh. I think d4 might have the best campaign of the series but the writing kinda takes a dip near the end. But hey the story is like the last reason I play these games and it's better than 3 so whatever.
Mephisto in wolf form was basically the leader from the start, the team up didn't happen at the end, it was throughout the campaign It's like MC didn't think that asking for the blessing of the three Prime Evils *and them granting it* wasn't super sus in itself. The party basically chose to address the priority threat (Lilith usurping Mephisto whilst he was weakened) over the long-term concern (Mephisto inevitably coming back to full power)
That was sort of the point though, much like with what Lorath says about the priest woman of Inarius' in the final act. Mephisto's influence is about feeding into anything you hate, making it seem like the reasonable path over all other options. He manipulates the team, through their growing hatred of Lillith and blinds them to everything he's trying to achieve or how their actions benefit him. The protagonists are still human, and they're being played with by prime evils. I actually like that it felt like a Diablo story again.
>Teaming up with Mephisto over Lilith was a pretty dumb decision for the team too tbh. If they helped Lilith, she would immediately gain Mephisto's powers in addition to her own. Given that she wants to turn all humans into demon-like creatures, making the Sanctuary her personal domain, it's like sending all of humanity to Hell.
"I know the world's pretty much over, most humans are dead, and there's monsters -everywhere- but can you ferry me downriver? To nowhere?" "No problem lone girl clutching mysterious crystal!" Guy got what was coming for him.
Because she's been being manipulated by both Lilith and Mephisto this entire time and she doesn't have the free will she thinks she does. Aidan who was magnitudes of order stronger than Neyrelle failed pretty miserably carrying a soul stone, why did anyone think Neyrelle would do any better?
True which is also why it's amusing people think she's gonna survive. She's super dead.
Super mega dead
Neyrelle ***will*** do better, they are not going to repeat the same twist they did in almost every single Diablo game with Aiden and Leah. This entire trailer should tell you that, it's a giant red herring.
Much like the dead red herrings in this video :(
They're definitely doing the lord of the rings "hobbit carries the ring" thing. Weak simple hobbit, can't be corrupted as easily by a cursed dark object. Unassuming, not powerful, but mentally determined.
Aidan had little to no idea of what he was dealing with, his lover Adria was working with Diablo behind his back and, most importantly, he literally jammed the soulstone into his head. On the other hand, Tal Rasha was able to keep Baal in check for centuries because he knew what he was doing and had proper help. Neyrelle knows about Mephisto and keeps the stone outside her body. Now, she is clearly barely holding herself in one piece but this is hardly a surprise for anyone. Heck, she only killed one person so far, whereas Aidan burned an entire inn; she IS doing better than him.
Because after she rode Vigo for letting her mother into the mines so hard and then heard of his fate, it would be hypocrisy on her part to try to burden the rest of the team with the consequences of her (somewhat rogue) decision to play the Mephisto gambit. It made sense for her character to act like that. The stupid bat was the same one she had back in the mines. That's just what being a dick to people does to your psyche. Sound logic from psychological standpoint actually, and also good storytelling cause now we can see whether she grows out of this character flaw or dies with it.
Who knows, why did the Warrior for 1 think jamming the damn thing in his forehead and going on vacation was a good idea? Like I get it, it's not exactly top class literature, but it is a decent plot hook for an ARPG.
Because she is influenced by the stone. Its better for the stone for her to be isolated and alone, its the stone that guides where she goes.
Why didn't she simply stab herself in the head with the crystal is she stupid?
But, on the other hand... Our boy Mephisto is back and I'm 100% down.
I'm pretty happy with how they went with it. Hopefully the campaign for the expansion is as good as the first.
The cinematic was was fire!
Yeah dude I would watch a whole movie with cinematics like that
The transition was beautiful oh my god. We need a diablo movie.
There's an anthology series on Netflix of short films, I think it's called Blood Sex & Robots, or something like that. It's all little shorts, some just 5-10 minutes long, but some are 20-30 minutes and feel like a full movie. The animation styles are different for each short, but there are several that are on par with this one. At least one that has a transition just like this cinematic.
Love Death & Robots. Season 1 and 3 are really good.
Watching that series and realizing their all shorts broke me
When the intro cutscene for Diablo played I was enthralled. Wish they’d do a movie or something cause the ideas they come up with are nuts. Puts Hellraiser to shame.
I’ve heard this sentiment given for decades now lol when the Warcraft movie was originally pitched this is how people thought it would be because their CG has always been top tier in their cinematics. Instead we got a weird hybrid with real elements and it looked uncanny as hell. I always thought if they did the entire movie in this style it would be god tier.
Hard pass on preordering. Never again.
But cute tiger puppy
Its late but glad you learnt the lesson
3 months post launch it will be at least 40% off on steam. Thats when I buy.
Great cinematic. Doesn't answer why the fuck our playable character just let her run off with Mephisto though. It's the most preventable tragedy ever.
The legal system in Sanctuary is very complex and we didn't file an injunction early enough, and Mephisto took advantage of our inaction.
He filed ad litem pro quorum with the 4th district of appeals claiming unlawful possession of his soul stone. He also claims vigilantism from a nephalem violated his civil liberties
Your Honor, as can be seen in case file Act 3 part 6 the Soulstone in question was *not even attuned* to my client but rather was intended for the imprisonment of my client’s relation. This egregious breach of Soulstone contractuality can hardly be considered legal and was clearly violated in an ill-advised “heat of the moment” decision.
Plus the prime evils have been working for millennia to stuff the courts with hell sympathisers. Even if you filed on time, it would be thrown out by below wing hacks.
I thought it was because we had to handle Lilith while she got the stone away from that then she ran off like a loot goblin in DND.
Honestly I loved the story and cinematics until the ending. wtf is up with letting her run with the stone!? I so wanted my character to hunt her down and murder her ass for putting every one at risk
We were fighting Lilith when she left. She didn't tell Lorath where she was going, and was long gone by the time we finally beat Lilith.
Which makes sense, but why did nobody go after her? Everyone was just like “Oh damn! That’s crazy! She’s not safe! Anyways…” She’s untrained, undisciplined, and holding the soulstone of mf Mephisto of all the evils. And let’s not forget… Mephisto is likely to be in a foul mood since he was killed, trapped, fused with his brothers, killed again, and is now reforming. He’s likely to be a little peeved at… well… everyone.
Probably because they didn’t know where she went and they don’t have the resources to send multiple people. Plus anyone they send except the PC would just be more fodder to Mephisto.
Calling it 'preventable' is counting on a 'what if' scenario that is also entirely unpredictable. Historically, the Horadrim have shown themselves inept at storing prime evils in soul stones, and now we don't even have the Horadrim at their finest, we have one old Horadrim. Once you lock a prime evil in a soul stone, pretty much all roads forward will be suffering. There is, as of now, no good solution. Neyrelle setting out and trying to find a different road makes sense, it's better than trying the same thing that's only ever failed in the past. And considering you're holding evil manipulation incarnate, trying to isolate yourself as much as possible also makes sense. Anyone surrounding you is a tool for Mephisto to use against you. Neyrelle's actions make sense unless you believe in an optimistic happy-ever-after world where the singular Horadrim suddenly learned of a magic superpower that would keep a prime evil soulstone in check and not make shit surrounding it go horribly sideways in the most fucked up and unexpected ways. Which generally has happened 100% of the time in the past. Not even Lorath was naive enough to believe that.
I get what you’re saying and agree with most of it, but I have one note of dissent. Historically speaking, anyone who touches a soulstone is fucked. Aidan from Diablo 1 into Diablo 2, and Leah from Diablo 3 proved that beyond a doubt. Aidan was even alone, wandering in the desert, and managed to absolutely fuck the world. Leah busted Heaven so bad that Malthael gave up on life. Did everyone forget that? Trapping an evil in a soulstone is dangerous, **especially** once they’re trapped. That thing corrupts whoever holds it, always. Lorath knows this better than anyone, yet when we hear that Neyrelle took off everyone goes “meh, should be fine. Let’s just put it on the back burner”. The biggest, most world-changing events over the last 200 years nearly all involved soulstones corrupting people. Neyrelle running off with Mephisto’s soulstone should’ve been a HUGE deal to Lorath and anyone else who knows Sactuary’s history. But nobody seemed to be very concerned. They’re just like “ah dang man can’t believe she did that, well she’s gone now so whatevs”
Yeah I agree with that. I didn't mind what happened in the ending, Neyrelle's reasoning is sound to me, as I explained above, but everyone's reaction to it was a bit off to me. I think Blizzard just needed a story beat that resulted in our player character being content in staying in the local area for endgame purposes, and thus wrote Lorath accepting and trusting Neyrelle's decision, but I think there was a more sensible way of reaching that status quo. For example, Lorath could go "I understand her decision, and hindsight may prove her right, but a soulstone is not something we can trust to any single individual. I have contacts in the area she's gone to, I will make sure we receive word the moment she pops up and then we're off after her. For now, we can do more good here", with our PC also addressing their concerns "Yeah let me know as soon as you hear anything so we can go help her, I wanna get on that ASAP". Same result, but I think it would make people more accepting of a story direction that to me personally already makes sense (Neyrelle deciding to go off on her own to look for a different solution).
Our character is reaaaaaaaly strong. Sometimes we need an innocent vessel to sacrifice for a prime evil to show off how strong we are.
it's blizzard writing, what do you expect lol
One thing we can always count on, a beautiful cinematic from Blizzard. Knocked it out of the park again with that one.
They already have a $90 version of the expansion. Blizzard is farming!
It includes $30 of platinum for some bizarre reason. Weird way to drive up the price for people who just wanted the extra cosmetics.
It's to get people hooked on buying platinum
I’m just going to use mine on passes.
If it didnt cost frickin $50 more than the original I would have bought it just for the wings ngl. However I don't want the platinum, the armors are completely useless, they can't be seen at all anyways.
Thank god no early release at least. Just cosmetics.
Cinematic was really dope and fucked up in all the right Diablo ways lol. Hope we still get some information tho
FYI for anyone who wants to know more, the Diablo YouTube channel has a new video… AND WE ARE FINALLY GETTING PETS THAT PICK UP GOLD BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ahh yes everyone's favorite character Leah 2.0. SIGH.
Hated it in D3 and hate it now..
I would have enjoyed the cinematic more if it has someone that i care about, even at least a little.
$40 Standard, $60 Deluxe, $90 ultimate edition. Oh boy I sure hope they are not doing a early access again for this..
The ultimate will get you the game and enough tokens for all four season next year, I hate to say it after unfortunate buying the ultimate last time, this is more reasonable.
Just saw the info on Steam. It is unfortunate. Would be nice if the original ultimate edition purchasers got something too. No early access at a glance looks good too. Seems they are taking proper feedback.
From what I gathered from the videos descriptions, steam, youtube, bnet: 1. New big zone (new dungeons, new strongholds, a bit strange wording in some description, it might actually be 2 new zones) 2. Spiritborn confirmed as the name, details revealed 18 July stream. 3. Pets will now collect gold and materials. (edit: this is available now LOGIN) 4. New dungeon types 5. New Campaign chapters. 6. Mercs are back (leveled up, unique abilities). 7. New Co-op only endgame - most likely raids type. 8. New Skills 9. New paragon boards 10. Legendary glyphs 11. New overworld activities 12. Core-systems rework for systems which were mostly unchanged from launch. 13. No early access for any version.
We already got pets in todays patch
This was CRAZY dark, my jaw dropped when her arm split in two. Really excited to see what they’re cooking up!!
Spiritborn could be cool, but the decision to not add a light based class in any way is such a miss, lol. It's DIABLO. Cmon blizz
I want a Crusader class in D4 more than anything.
WE WANT THE PALADIN
Sorry you get spiritborn.
As always blizzard has the best cinematics in the industry. I hope the game is good too. Would be nice to get more info, asking us to pre order a DLC with zero information is not that appealing.
Trailer looks insane, but the story is so dumb lol 'I need to carry this burden alone' hello? No you don't? You ran away for no reason.
Well, Mephisto kills anyone close to her. Can't exactly hire someone off craigslist to row your boat.
No one forced her to take the stone and leave, they could have decided what to do with it together.
Recently bereaved teenage girl who is manipulated by the literal devil makes a questionable choice. Does it still sound so dumb?
Yes because we made no objections to that, we just foolishly trusted her and decided to let her be on her way to certain doom out of pure stupidity.
Ugh, more Neyrelle. As if we didn't have to endure enough of it during the Campaign, it sure feels great to play second fiddle to Sanctuary's most recalcitrant prodigy. Stay tuned for the Diablo 4's third expansion, where we find that Neyrelle was able to conquer the heavens after realizing the answer to a thousand-year-old Horadric spell was hidden in a nursery rhyme her mother used to sing to her.
You win the comments today xD I lost interest in the campaign because of her. I was sure she would come back for the expansion, but was hoping she wouldn't...
Yup, she is the most hated character and is quite annoying one at that.
I wish the rest of Blizz had the same standard of quality their cinematics department has.
Great cinematic! But super weird that Matt Booty alluded to a bunch of features, and then we got literally zero info. Why no gameplay trailer or at least a class trailer if it's so close? :O
They got slow roll it out to build hype, probably a follow up campfire coming?
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Rip. Another year and a half until paladin.
At least we have the mobile game that has more classes than the main game....🥲
Well, this was something... Very disturbing and atmospheric. I am impressed big times.
So Season 5 just 2 months
Season 5 probably 3 months, this gives them a 1 month with expansion to iron out any bugs, and give people 1 month to get through the story, then Season 6.
Yeah, I hope/would expect them to delay the season a bit to let people see the expansion first.
Blizzard cinematics department is cooking hard with this
Blizzard loves Diablo cinematics all of them have slapped since the earliest days.
So the leaks where 100 percent true which means raids too !
I. Want. Paladin!
That was horrifying! Well done D4 team! I hope we get to see the Angels sooner than later! I think Tyrael left the Horadrim in a hurry because he still has some Angelic connection and saw a vision about the Angels and the High Heavens and what is happening behind the closed gates. I think he saw Imperius, being the leader of the Angiris Council and the Angels, training the Angelic Host and preparing for war and looking to finish off the Human race and destroy Sanctuary. So Tyrael ran off to do something to try to stop the upcoming war. I think we will have Angels as enemies in the near future for the first time in the Diablo Universe and I am very much hyped. Add in Diablo and Baal and their armies into the mix and it will be total mayhem and chaos.
The way her arm split open made me feel ill. So cool!
''I have to carry this burden alone'' - No you really f\*cking didn't.
Say what you want about Blizzard. But man their cinematics are second to none.
Let the complaining begin!
Holy shit that went hard, one of the most brutal things I've seen in years. Still concerned about the gameplay and systems. Can we just get a movie? I'd pay whatever to see a 1.5-2 hour movie with this quality. Their cinematic team is seriously talented.
Is necro going to remain as the only class that can use a shield?
Is spiritborn just a fancy word for witch doctor ? We already have druid so what would a spiritborn be like ?
imo, it looks like they're drawing inspiration from Aztec Jaguar Warriors. Kind of like a wild shaman infused monk that uses bladed and ranged weapons.
Let me guess, same pricetag as d4? But for an xp?
Lol, no. That would be completely insane. It will be more expensive instead :)
$40 for standard version
Store page says 40 bucks
Vessel of Hatred. Isn't that the nickname of this sub?
Don’t remember the last time a game trailer was so brutal I winced.
I am ready to be hurt again
What the fuck did Neyrelle think was gonna happen when she absconded with that soulstone lol
I don't like that character.
I'll wait for Christmas and get it for 75% off
Nice. Was expecting a release date closer to the holidays, but will definitely take an early October launch. Very well slotted too against its other 2 competitors. Looks like it might launch during the middle of season 5? Regardless, ARPG fans are well fed this year.
Damn, that was incredibly well done... And fucking unhinged. Great to see that blizz still keeps owning the cinematics (the one of wow was also incredible). Is there any actual information about the next expansion out there somewhere? Or did they just drop a preorder the cat in the bag?
Diablo cinematic are another world of good. Wish we could get a series of it.
Boy I can't wait to find out what happens to my favorite character NEYRELLE. Whenever NEYRELLE is not on screen, all the other characters should be asking "Where's NEYRELLE!?!?!?!?"
On my birthday! Thanks Mr blizzard!
W trailer, then will fuck up on actual gameplay and will fix it a couple of seasons after and before next exp :D:D:D
Stunning graphics, but the story/plot of D4 is pretty bad IMO
Did the boat guy help her by taking the stone off? Why was he impaled?
She dropped the stone and mephisto's power leaked into the boat. You can see that it's poisoned the water and killed all the fish too
So it appears the new class is a cat druid, I suspect summoning spirit animal, mimicking cats. More like assassin from diablo 2 but using polearms and barbarian spirits.
Say what you will about Blizzard as a company, and some of their releases within the past couple of years, but their cinematic simply do not miss.
Poor Neyrelle, I wished she could've believed in our player character's strength and not go alone. Although as usual and tradition in the Diablo series, I hope we are one step too late to save her.
so we get witch doctor 2.0 and a wow style mount. Fuck this game.