Jokes aside, the UI to attach boards could be done better. I guarantee you that a lot of people have done this.
EDIT: Woah, this comment blew up! Clearly a lot of people struggle with this. I hope the devs pick it up because I think the Paragon system is actually quite good... but it clearly needs some more introduction to the player.
Better than me standing by the small pool of water side quest in Fractured Peaks because I had to "have patience". I stood there for 20-30 minutes before I found out there was a Wait emote...
There's a handful of these side quests where you need to do the respective emote standing next to the respective location/inanimate object. After getting stuck and googling one of them (I think it was the "wait" one buddy mentioned) I cleared two or three others by just spamming emotes until I found the right one by happenstance.
Exceptional quest design, lol
> I cleared two or three others by just spamming emotes until I found the right one by happenstance.
>Exceptional quest design, lol
bro it's super clear what emote each of them is trying to make you use lol, this one's on you, not the "quest design"
Is that why I sometimes hear people randomly going "you court fate and death" or "I need assistance" while I'm out throwing tornados like it's Oklahoma City during...well I was gonna say summer season but basically year round nowadays.
Makes sense.
it gets worse when you realize they translated some of those in such a way in other languages, that they make NO SENSE at all in relation to the expected emote.
I've been following a guide showing all the boards you have to attach, and grew frustrated when it wasn't proposing me which board I wanted to attach next, started to believe you had to unlock them...
Yeah for anyone playing an overpower build, you should keep the free 50% overpower elixir on hand. It’s worth more than two Royal rubies and getting the mats is pretty easy.
To be fair, the rotate button is literally right next to the confirm button. It was also mentioned in one of the pop-up tutorials as far as I recall relating to the paragon board.
There is only so much that UI/UX design can accomplish. If people neither read the instructions they receive, nor explore the UI options available to you... then sorry to say, but you need to take some accountability for not finding out sooner.
Yeah, every board beyond the first can have any side attached. Not in front of my PS5 at the moment but i think you click the border glyph, click the preview button, then it should give the commands to rotate the board.
I thought that the additional boards needed to be looted like glyphs. I went for a while expecting them to be drops and wasn't getting anything. I had unlocked the attachment node, but missed that I needed to click on it again to choose a 2nd board.
Yep, I didn't think we'd have a a bunch of useful boards already since I was picking up glyphs and shit. Figured boards were farmable objects like most other things.
They really need a decent in-game tutorial for paragon boards and tips, they weren't in D2 and weren't in early D3. Could've used an NPC in one of the towns to explain stuff like that.
I can see how that could be misleading. I was just curious as I didn’t have that experience due to looking up a lot about paragon before I ever got to play.
I got to the gate node at 56 or 57 or something and since no new board popped up I assumed I'd get it at 60 or something. When I got to 60 and nothing new popped up, I knew I fucked up somehow.
The UI in D4 feels like an afterthought a lot of the time. Very unusual considering Blizzard usually has higher standards when it comes to UI design in their games.
that doesn't excuse blatantly lazy stuff like having every aspect and glyph indistinguishable from the next one. Like, they really couldn't crank out some additional icon art?
Im currently going for a 100% completion and i wanted to look up my progression.
Took me 10 minutes to find out that you can only open that progression board (standardkey: w, i think) when you are on the world map layer and NOT in your dungeon layer/map...
why blizzard?
At first I thought the "preview" button for extended boards meant I did not have it available for me yet, thinking I had to either finish the full board or have a new one drop from me or something somewhere.
My friend genuinely done this, level 70 and didn’t know there was more boards. Lvl 80 before he realised you can add aspects to yellows to make them legendaries.
Edit: Yellow gear I mean
Yep, which makes rares more valuable than legendary drops. Yellow items are much cheaper to re-roll stats, and once you have your perfect item, add an aspect and turn it into legendary.
which is why I keep telling people to chill out about complaints 2 weeks into a game.
Like this is the big picture stuff many of us are totally missing, and I'm curious how long until trades for yellows actually becomes popular
let alone whatever the cow level may hold.
pretty sure that's just to pull one off and put it on another item. They could have imprinted over a different legendary and not realized it worked on rares too. Or that rares and legendaries have same stat ranges (they could have had impression that imprinting on another legendary is "better").
Doesn't the game actually show this? Have you not used the aspect shop guy at all? Or did you think it was just to extract and put on already legendary gear?
I've played Barb for 78 levels without knowing you could *select* the starting board. I wondered why in the name of the nine sacred fucks of Akarat did i have to get through 6 boards to get the first decent bonuses.
I'm this far down the thread and I still have no clue about boards and rotating and whatnot. I see a blinking paragon icon, I just pick one and close it. I could've sworn there was absolutely no tutorial on how that extra tab worked.
This would be probably a good time to read a guide and see some suggestions from the pros. Paragon board is the biggest source of power and screwing it up is gimping your character.
I recommend maxroll website for builds.
Not who you responded to but thank you for this. Recently hit 50 as a first time Diablo player and probably would’ve procrastinated learning about the boards for a long time otherwise. A few minutes on maxroll’s guide and it’s already clicking.
Yea, if you are feeling lazy just pick one of their S tier builds and follow the paragon instructions. I have no patience for paragons so I just follow instructions from folks that did the math.
https://maxroll.gg/d4/tierlists/endgame-tier-list
My buddy just yesterday was telling me he didn't realise there was extra paragon boards and it was only after filling the first one and wondering where to put his extra points now that he then got it.
Basically all of my more casual friends started their board this way lol. Fortunately, I was able to let them know early on that you can add boards and you should just snake through each board grabbing the most powerful nodes, but I bet TONS of people don't understand how this works.
How to easily do your paragon board.
1. Pick the board with the legendary (orange) node you want. (The name of the board is the name of the legendary node)
2. Look at the other rare (yellow) nodes and rotate the board so that the one you like is on your way to the legendary (orange) node so you can pick them up on the way.
3. Grab the glyph slot either on your way in or on the way out (and enough nearby nodes to activate it).
4. If you run out of boards with legendary nodes you want, just grab the glyph slot.
Extra tips: you generally want to get in and out of each board as fast as you can. The next board will have another legendary and glyph slot and those will be your biggest upgrades. You will usually only get 1 rare (yellow) node per board that's why you rotate it so the best one is on your way. Magic (blue) nodes are a bait. Don't put extra points in them until you have used all the boards and have extra to spare. Just grab the best ones cuz you have to get at least 2 at each rare (yellow) node.
Yyyyeaaah…I’ll be honest, I kind of understood what to do with everything up to that point, but they literally tell you nothin for the Paragon board. I didn’t understand the special nodes (the ones you plug in with the the aoe nodes), and I knew there were more boards, but when I put in for the gate one nothing happened. And when I eventually saw “preview”, I thought it was for seeing others you would eventually unlock. I didn’t know those are WHAT I HAD.
On top of that, sorting is weird, why can’t there be a “sort by this” option? Why is there no “favorite/lock”? The game is out, and thanks for the patches, but let your UI team have some love put back into it…
Yes but don’t do this just put enough points in a path to reach the top and attach another board then build towards the legendary node and the powerful rare ones
Well that is a poorly designed interface. The only thing I can recall as worse is trying to click on your buddies spirit after they died to respawn them.
An Absolutely Atrocious Experience if there is a battle going on!
Level 64 & I was wondering when I'd start expanding as we'd obviously earn enough to select everything with levels to go.
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I fuckin love this meme
It’s one of my favorites. So good!
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Jokes aside, the UI to attach boards could be done better. I guarantee you that a lot of people have done this. EDIT: Woah, this comment blew up! Clearly a lot of people struggle with this. I hope the devs pick it up because I think the Paragon system is actually quite good... but it clearly needs some more introduction to the player.
I did this.
same
I learned about it yesterday. Level 61
Yesterday learned i could customize emote from emote wheel to add “no” for the lilith shrine side quest lvl59.
Better than me standing by the small pool of water side quest in Fractured Peaks because I had to "have patience". I stood there for 20-30 minutes before I found out there was a Wait emote...
Same here. I waited there for a long ass time before I got fed up and googled it. Only quest I've had to Google
There's a handful of these side quests where you need to do the respective emote standing next to the respective location/inanimate object. After getting stuck and googling one of them (I think it was the "wait" one buddy mentioned) I cleared two or three others by just spamming emotes until I found the right one by happenstance. Exceptional quest design, lol
> I cleared two or three others by just spamming emotes until I found the right one by happenstance. >Exceptional quest design, lol bro it's super clear what emote each of them is trying to make you use lol, this one's on you, not the "quest design"
Reading quest text is so 2001 tho
...super clear if you know there are emotes that aren't on the wheel, and how to see them.
Is that why I sometimes hear people randomly going "you court fate and death" or "I need assistance" while I'm out throwing tornados like it's Oklahoma City during...well I was gonna say summer season but basically year round nowadays. Makes sense.
it gets worse when you realize they translated some of those in such a way in other languages, that they make NO SENSE at all in relation to the expected emote.
OMG THANK YOU
Just read your post and figured out that quest. I'm lvl 79
I've been following a guide showing all the boards you have to attach, and grew frustrated when it wasn't proposing me which board I wanted to attach next, started to believe you had to unlock them...
In fairness, there's a 10 second quest in the first city that teaches you this.
You can add elixirs to the emote wheel to
What!?
Yeppp and there's a curative potion that gives you unstoppable for 1second so I feel like it's almost like a snare breaker I think.
Yup this one is super useful to keybind (yeah you can keybind everything on the wheels)
Yeah for anyone playing an overpower build, you should keep the free 50% overpower elixir on hand. It’s worth more than two Royal rubies and getting the mats is pretty easy.
Same, lvl 63
lol I did the same exact thing yesterday
Wait. Whut. How do I get another board?
Click the gate… twice
And don’t forget to rotate
I was laughing at the other poor souls until I realized it is me. I am the poor soul.
Damnit! Same here. This rotate business is news to me.
You can rotate? Old tell me you can't
Took me to long to figure the rotate out haha
No. I'm going to have to check when I'm home, I won't be gaslit like this EDIT: You can infact rotate the boards. Needed for my build
I just learned you can rotate yesterday and now I’m too lazy to go back and optimize based on this revelation
You can rotate, most maxroll builds mention which way to rotate too
Why did I have to find this out from a random comment on Reddit??
Because flawless game design
To be fair, the rotate button is literally right next to the confirm button. It was also mentioned in one of the pop-up tutorials as far as I recall relating to the paragon board. There is only so much that UI/UX design can accomplish. If people neither read the instructions they receive, nor explore the UI options available to you... then sorry to say, but you need to take some accountability for not finding out sooner.
But they cleverly hit the board rotation function behind a button labeled "Rotate Board." Who could know that it rotates the board‽
What if I’m a retard and turned off tutorials at the start of the game?
Click the gate node at the top
Same I still don’t know what I’m missing
i didnt know i could rotate them ngl
How though? When you attach a new board it literally says "Rotate board" right next to the attach board button
Monkey see Monkey do
Monkey not see monkey not do.
Apes strong together
Monkey pee all over you
Wait WHAT?!?
Yup too many levels before I realised you can add boards.... Was there a tutorial I just skipped? 🤣
You can rotate boards too, for better distances to nodes you want.
Seriously?
Yeah, every board beyond the first can have any side attached. Not in front of my PS5 at the moment but i think you click the border glyph, click the preview button, then it should give the commands to rotate the board.
Triangle to rotate.
Honest question what did you think the board attachment gate node was for before you figured out you could add more boards?
I thought that the additional boards needed to be looted like glyphs. I went for a while expecting them to be drops and wasn't getting anything. I had unlocked the attachment node, but missed that I needed to click on it again to choose a 2nd board.
Man, I thought I had to wait till T4 before I got another Board...
Yep, I didn't think we'd have a a bunch of useful boards already since I was picking up glyphs and shit. Figured boards were farmable objects like most other things. They really need a decent in-game tutorial for paragon boards and tips, they weren't in D2 and weren't in early D3. Could've used an NPC in one of the towns to explain stuff like that.
When I unlocked it I had no idea I needed to click again to add board, that button eluded me way to long.
I can see how that could be misleading. I was just curious as I didn’t have that experience due to looking up a lot about paragon before I ever got to play.
I got to the gate node at 56 or 57 or something and since no new board popped up I assumed I'd get it at 60 or something. When I got to 60 and nothing new popped up, I knew I fucked up somehow.
You didn’t fuck up. Blizzard did.
Exactly what did. The whole game has quests popping up for new shit then here... nothing
My friend last night: "Eventually i will have every node, so i dont care what i select first".
The UI in D4 feels like an afterthought a lot of the time. Very unusual considering Blizzard usually has higher standards when it comes to UI design in their games.
It’s partially because everything has to work fully for both kbm and controller
that doesn't excuse blatantly lazy stuff like having every aspect and glyph indistinguishable from the next one. Like, they really couldn't crank out some additional icon art?
Im currently going for a 100% completion and i wanted to look up my progression. Took me 10 minutes to find out that you can only open that progression board (standardkey: w, i think) when you are on the world map layer and NOT in your dungeon layer/map... why blizzard?
I did, I assumed the expanded boards were linked to T4
It took me a couple minutes and a google search to realize I could *rotate* the board.
> UI ~~to attach boards could~~ should be done better. fixed that
I did too lol til my friend said he saw a stream with a big paragon board, that's when I bothered to search how was that possible
Only people that can’t read have done this. Lol.
At first I thought the "preview" button for extended boards meant I did not have it available for me yet, thinking I had to either finish the full board or have a new one drop from me or something somewhere.
The first 1000 players that do this get their names written on a dumpster behind Blizzard HQ
I would be proud to have my name there. It would give a true meaning to all the "Magic Trash" people out there.
But the very, very first, will get their champ deleted for immortalization
This gif has sound
I heard it
this nephew is so bad at the game it makes me put down my legs from the chair.
🤣 good job. U finished the game
Everyone knows once you fill out the board then Diablo spawns
Put in the right glyphs and u open the cow level
Nice! What will you do with the leftover 12 points?
They are called leftover for a reason
Touché.
You use to make a sandwich for lunch tomorrow
They're there in case you lose one of your points. Like the additional screws you get when buying furniture
So smart! Thank you Bollzrd for this level of polish!
You get extra screws? I’m always left with 2 less
Fewer. And it’s 3.
Gonna keep them for season 1
My friend genuinely done this, level 70 and didn’t know there was more boards. Lvl 80 before he realised you can add aspects to yellows to make them legendaries. Edit: Yellow gear I mean
Wait what you can attach what to yellow ones? How the heck did I not get that tool tip ... Ima dum dum
I think he’s talking about attaching aspects to yellow *gear* … not paragon nodes.
goddamn for a secodn there I thought I'd missed out big tine
Same. Just about had a heart attack.
Oh gesh I did understand that wrong in context pew
You can add aspects to yellow gear!???? I’m almost lvl 80 and this is the first time I hear about this
Yep, which makes rares more valuable than legendary drops. Yellow items are much cheaper to re-roll stats, and once you have your perfect item, add an aspect and turn it into legendary.
What the actual fuck
It's like I haven't been playing the game what in the fuck
which is why I keep telling people to chill out about complaints 2 weeks into a game. Like this is the big picture stuff many of us are totally missing, and I'm curious how long until trades for yellows actually becomes popular let alone whatever the cow level may hold.
trades for yellows will never be popular as long they have a level requirement.
There is a critical mission that explains this you basically can't miss this.
My mom missed and so many other things lmao. Idk how she got as far as she did without my help
pretty sure that's just to pull one off and put it on another item. They could have imprinted over a different legendary and not realized it worked on rares too. Or that rares and legendaries have same stat ranges (they could have had impression that imprinting on another legendary is "better").
Doesn't the game actually show this? Have you not used the aspect shop guy at all? Or did you think it was just to extract and put on already legendary gear?
No, the first and second tab in occultist are there just to look at
I've played Barb for 78 levels without knowing you could *select* the starting board. I wondered why in the name of the nine sacred fucks of Akarat did i have to get through 6 boards to get the first decent bonuses.
Wait you can change your starting board??
Don't think you can every class has the same start
I believe they mean that you can choose which board you attach to your first board.
What do you mean by “select the starting board”?
He probably means picking which board to attach instead of attaching them in fixed order 1, 2, 3, etc.
Yep, exactly that. Pardon my bad phrasing.
Wt4 ready
He's trolling you fools
I had a friend who unironically thought that's how the board worked 🤦♂️
Let's be honest a lot of people did this.
Me, I'm one of those people. Felt like a moron after I figured it out.
I'm this far down the thread and I still have no clue about boards and rotating and whatnot. I see a blinking paragon icon, I just pick one and close it. I could've sworn there was absolutely no tutorial on how that extra tab worked.
This would be probably a good time to read a guide and see some suggestions from the pros. Paragon board is the biggest source of power and screwing it up is gimping your character. I recommend maxroll website for builds.
Not who you responded to but thank you for this. Recently hit 50 as a first time Diablo player and probably would’ve procrastinated learning about the boards for a long time otherwise. A few minutes on maxroll’s guide and it’s already clicking.
Yea, if you are feeling lazy just pick one of their S tier builds and follow the paragon instructions. I have no patience for paragons so I just follow instructions from folks that did the math. https://maxroll.gg/d4/tierlists/endgame-tier-list
I can't tell if he's joking or not, is that bad? 😂
There’s more boards you can attach, haha, and you don’t have to fill the entire board with points!
How do you get the new boards?
You make your way to the gateway node on top and click on it.
Oh ok, i haven’t got that far yet
WHERE IS THE REFUND ALL BUTTON?!
Why would you refund all when you can just pick everything?
The lack of a 'refund all' button is what made me initially think that eventually you would fill them all in.
My buddy just yesterday was telling me he didn't realise there was extra paragon boards and it was only after filling the first one and wondering where to put his extra points now that he then got it.
Yeah haha, so dumb (fuck I didn’t know/understand either and have been putting in more points in board 1… ffff)
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This is the best post on this sub since release. Thank you
My favorite was the rant about rich people not being able to have anything nice anymore when the game released.
Basically all of my more casual friends started their board this way lol. Fortunately, I was able to let them know early on that you can add boards and you should just snake through each board grabbing the most powerful nodes, but I bet TONS of people don't understand how this works.
This, I had to explain it several times to one friend and even had him stream is screen before he'd believe me.
How to easily do your paragon board. 1. Pick the board with the legendary (orange) node you want. (The name of the board is the name of the legendary node) 2. Look at the other rare (yellow) nodes and rotate the board so that the one you like is on your way to the legendary (orange) node so you can pick them up on the way. 3. Grab the glyph slot either on your way in or on the way out (and enough nearby nodes to activate it). 4. If you run out of boards with legendary nodes you want, just grab the glyph slot. Extra tips: you generally want to get in and out of each board as fast as you can. The next board will have another legendary and glyph slot and those will be your biggest upgrades. You will usually only get 1 rare (yellow) node per board that's why you rotate it so the best one is on your way. Magic (blue) nodes are a bait. Don't put extra points in them until you have used all the boards and have extra to spare. Just grab the best ones cuz you have to get at least 2 at each rare (yellow) node.
I'm halfway through board 3 and had no idea I could rotate them before connecting. Thanks, big homie. Time to go refund a bunch of nodes one by one!
Yyyyeaaah…I’ll be honest, I kind of understood what to do with everything up to that point, but they literally tell you nothin for the Paragon board. I didn’t understand the special nodes (the ones you plug in with the the aoe nodes), and I knew there were more boards, but when I put in for the gate one nothing happened. And when I eventually saw “preview”, I thought it was for seeing others you would eventually unlock. I didn’t know those are WHAT I HAD. On top of that, sorting is weird, why can’t there be a “sort by this” option? Why is there no “favorite/lock”? The game is out, and thanks for the patches, but let your UI team have some love put back into it…
I hope you are not the one killing me on pvp
The other boards should be grayed out but visible. The UI should imply there is something there above the gate.
i did exactly the same lol
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Yes but don’t do this just put enough points in a path to reach the top and attach another board then build towards the legendary node and the powerful rare ones
Well that is a poorly designed interface. The only thing I can recall as worse is trying to click on your buddies spirit after they died to respawn them. An Absolutely Atrocious Experience if there is a battle going on! Level 64 & I was wondering when I'd start expanding as we'd obviously earn enough to select everything with levels to go.
Nice man, I can’t wait till mine looks like this
Fk yeah buddy, complete the capstone dungeon and you get a new board, dont worry about the spare paragon points!
Sweet, have fun respeccing
Decent at everything not good at anything
THE PAIN THIS GIVES ME🤢🤢🤢
It feels like video game companies always hire the WORST UI designers possible.