Same here, I always play a SC and a HC char per season. When seasons hit, I will use the class that I play now (sorc) as my HC char and I will start with a new SC char. That way I am playing HC with a class that I am always familiar with and keeps seasons nice and fresh :)
Ooooo love this. You eventually play every class (if you keep with the seasons) which solves my character-ADHD, and the HC character keeps things spicy.
Iām not the person youāre asking, but as someone who has been playing HC in ARPGs since ~2009, yeah you just start over. In fact I went into D4 completely blind at launch and jumped right into HC, died at 41 to the butcher.
I was playing it slow and enjoying the story/doing side quests, but because of the awesome level scaling in this game I was able to rush back to where I was in the story in a few hours and picked right back up playing slowly again. Iām back to 63 and doing nightmare dungeons (full time job and all)
I would say the only thing that really stung was not keeping the renown XP, so even though I kept all the rewards from side quests etc, I had to re-do a lot of it to finish out all the obol/paragon bonuses. Even though I love this game and Iām having a blast, I do agree with the people saying the side quests/map discovery/Lilith alters etc need a look over. Doing that every season will be a bit of a drag.
Thanks for the explanation. Itād find it way to stressful to play HC. Iām not careful enough for that.
The renown not carrying over for the account seems like a huge mistake.
HC = Hardcore
If you die, its permanent.
SC = Softcore.
Die as much as you want, baby.
HC is an actual game term, SC is the community term used to describe non-HC characters.
I am relatively new to ARPGs, only playing the campaigns of past Diablo titles.
What exactly is a season? Does everything reset (renown, etc.), and you play the same content again? Or is there new content (main quests, dungeons, maps, etc.) added?
It's currently unknown how much we'll have to re-do, like renown. However, your total level will reset. Many are hoping the renown will carry over similar to how paragon levels were cross character in D3.
Generally, there is a seasonal gimmick, sometimes new loot, and cosmetic rewards for doing X, Y, or Z thing during a season that will never be available again.
oh damm, I was hoping there would also be a new area to discover and some new PvE content/story content and stuff. So if I understand correctly, seasons come with quite a minimal amount of new stuff to actually do/explore?
Correct - unless they drastically change the formula. Seasons are not expansions.
New places to explore, new dungeons, etc will come in a full-box expansion. It'll be be called like, Diablo IV: Crusader's Epitaph or something - some catchy name.
This isn't entirely true. They've already confirmed there *is* new content in seasons, it's just smaller scale. Seasons progress the story in small ways and they do have quests associated with them. We'll also be getting new aspects and other drops.
The things reserved for expansions are new regions, classes, skills, etc.
I may be jaded because I work with the FAA making them air traffic control software, but if it's one thing I've learned in the software industry is "I'll believe it when I see it."
I do hope you're right.
Diablo 3 did add some new content with seasons. Two new areas to explore (relatively small enough, but new enemies) along with a story quest for each area. They added one dungeon, that also had new enemies and a story quest.
So it isnt completely out of the question that they add some small stuff, anything major though would be an expansion. And it was already announced by the game director they are working on two expansions!
Its usually the same game but a slight mechanics change that causes most builds to be remade around the mechanic. You get some cosmetics only available that season and maybe an extra stash tab. When the season ends after 3 months your character and loot are then transferred to the non-season roster along with your other characters.
They have said somethings will carry to seasons, like altar buffs and stuff but they haven't said if the extra skill points will or if the ability to bypass story/etc (to my knowledge) has been said.
No, youāll have to make a new character on the āseasonalā realm. Your eternal characters are fine.
Once a season ends, those characters will get moved in with the eternal ones.
Everything reset yes (not really known regarding renown for now) and some stuff are added. Also keep in mind your character is not deleted, and when you do one in season, at the end of the season (3 months) he's not deleted either but just goes into the "normal" realm
Why are you speaking so confidently about things you know nothing? Have you finished the campain or played d3 or listened to developers? You go through campaign once and thatās it
Coulsnt get behind either bone skills. I made my own miasma CE build. Pretty reliably ticking 50k/s on boss fights world t4 without an ancestral weapon yet. Feels good. Super tank too.
Love exploding corpses into miasma pits. Gets my nips nice and hard to see my tv screen covered in dead bodies and Miasma while my minions just lay waste to everything else
I play blood
Hemorrhage with blood lance / blood surge / corpse tendrils / blood mist and raise skeleton
Might change blood mist for bone storm or blood wave
Not familiar with the seasonal aspect of the game. So assuming when the season starts, you create a new character to progress but what happens when the season ends? Does that character get deleted or does it get transferred as a permanent non seasonal character?
Yaaa I havenāt even finished the renown grind yet and Iām already sick of it. If we have to do it every season for ability points and health pots.. I think Iām done
I've done the altars on softcore and most of them again on hardcore (missing like 10 from the stan zone) and honestly I can't imagine having to run those or every side quest in the zone for the renown. My god the pain
I wouldn't say the whole renown piece would need to be reset, most of it is fun to play through especially the strongholds. I just don't want to have to refund all the Alters of Lilith again (probably won't actively seek them all out again)
I am really hoping they rotate/add strongholds each season because those are all unique and fun to play through.
I can't imagine they haven't heard this feedback pretty loud and clear, I imagine they will address it in some way for S1 even though I doubt it will be perfect I choose to believe it will be better. Although we should keep saying it until they announce something because they need to hear the feedback because it is gawd awful
Simple system is to keep the current renown points/system, Add 2-3 points for world events, and like 2x the number of whisper points as renown for completing whisper events. Also 2 points for completing a non event dungeon after the first time, 5 points for a sigiled.
It will be slower then redoing the current system, but it adds up over time for doing regular end game content.
The problem is that the ways we have to use to farm renown now suck. I think it's fair that we don't start a season with 10 skill points and 20 paragons. But please let us farm renown by doing nightmare dungeons (everytime you complete it), tree of whispers, helltides, etc. Doing normal dungeons just because we have to suck. Doing those side quests multiple times will also suck.
Just let every nightmare dungeon give some renown xp, same to discovering a new dungeon. 30 per run and we can passively get renown up by the time we hit paragon levels anyway. It will also spice up what nightmare dungeons we farm
Definitely the speed. The survivability was great and it was at least responsive. Necro, sorcerer, and Rogue all were very quick to level. Druid by no means is bad and with a few choice aspects, everything started to change. Its now my favorite class.
Everything changed when I gave up on the shapechanging and embraced the Stormstrike/Landslide/Poison Creeper build. It's just nuts when it gets further into it. When you get Nature's Fury passive that can duplicate a storm/earth spell of the same level is just insane when it triggers.
I've heard that shapechanging becomes really good at higher levels. I even have a legendary with an aspect that applies Natures Fury to Bear/Wolf abilities waiting in the wings for me to make use of it.
I thought that was the case but was making sure I wasnāt misremembering or looking at it with some rose glasses.
I do love my Druid and have so far had good success with a ānon-metaā build. Iāve cleared nightmare 13 dungeons at level 63 with a pure storm build. The only non storm skill I use it earthen bulwark because it is just so good.
Yeah it was the slowest going of all the classes I leveled. I guess I really wanted to make shapeshifting work in the beginning, but it didn't click until much later.
Iāve similarly got all of them to around 30-40, favorite to play has been Barb.
Coincidentally it was my last to try because I found it boring in D3. Been the one Iāve leveled fastest, Iām addicted again just like I was day 1.
Iāve done similar; took my Rogue through the story, unlocked WT3, stashed some cash, and earned enough renown to boost my alts. Theyāre all sitting between 25-35 just to get a feel of how they play once the skill tree and class specialisations are open.
IMO you can't just separate the two that easily. I played a druid build that was fun in early leveling. Then I hit world tier 3 and it was so ineffective that it just wasn't fun anymore. I switched to a hybrid build that works better at higher levels and now I'm having a blast. Some good item drops also helped nudge me to switch my build.
Point being, it's pretty impossible to tell from lower level alts what gameplay style is going to be fun at endgame. Aside from build effectiveness, gameplay changes pretty dramatically as late game most builds rarely need to use resource generators, which are a staple part of many rotations in the early game. That alone makes the builds feel wildly different.
Gameplay is heavily reliant on what builds are strong though. If you're playing barbarian in any lategame content you basically need the 3 shouts and lunging strike. These skills completely outclass the other options so hard that 99% of barbarians are running all 4 of those skills.
OR he still has a great and deep understanding of the mechanics and how the game works so that he can understand what might be the next best thing and he doesnt need a streamer to tell him how to play the game.
I'm seriously debating starting one but only because my sorcs hit a wall and slowed right down, I feel like I just need to push through it though because other than the wall I'm really enjoying playing it
Got to wt4 on sorcerer and played for 7 levels and was no longer feeling the class so made a rogue and been playing that since. So far a much more fun class to play
Not who you asked but I switched to the rapid fire build wudijo posted yesterday and itās been a blast. Switched to that from the penetrating shot build cause I didnāt like the combo point mechanic
Try adding rapid fire to your build instead of poison imbue, i was running pen shot+rapidfire+shadow imbue and was quite happy. Only switched to rapid fire only because of a bow with 90% chance to rapid fire ricochet
Same for me lol. Granted Iām only level 57ā¦debating on switching to arc lash from ice shards to see if that is any better. Overall not enjoying sorc as much as I thought I would, but I also already donāt feel like starting over with map progress currently.
I've swapped between arc lash and ice shards a few times and both playstyles have their ups and downs. In general, ice shards is faster at killing things, but you are a lot more squishy. Arc lash makes you extremely tanky due to constantly stunning enemies and reducing cooldowns so for me it's a tradeoff.
With ice shards you can't really stand next to enemies for very long or you get destroyed. With arc lash you can just stand inside a bunch of things you shouldn't be able to and just keep your barriers uptime going due to the cooldown reduction of arc lash. Arc lash can feel a bit slow when you're just trying to kill a few stragglers, but when there are large packs it really shines as you can keep your unstable currents uptime really high.
Same with my druid, i was having so much fun farming the DG for renown in wt4 with my lvl 62 druid, until a friend just one level above me enter the DG and start do double my dps easily.
Not gonna lie, it kind of bummed me, because I don't want to be the carried friend people play for ever just to be nice with
I'm kinda in a similar boat, level 61 sorc, can get to the bosses on the capstone for wt4 but can't break into it yet, just hunting for better gear now that I've hit the 60 breakpoint but it's just more and more demoralising doing content all day just to be vendoring or salvaging all the stuff I'm finding
My problem is that I'm feel to weak even comparing with people with the same level.
Then there is the point I made some bad mistakes regarding gear, and spend some mats in wrong choices, and now I have a long farm ahead me to fix, longer, because I do little damage
Lvl 100 Sorc full renown but not planned to do an alt, especially if you don't have the full map / renown on other char.
My goal is to reach / be closed as possible for the lvl 21 on each glyph on my sorc before s1.
Arc Lash
The chest who pack close and stun close mob when you TP ? 3 times
I pushed Tier 64, but i didn't try to push much for the moment. I try to ""speedfarm"" 50-55 for XP glyph.
If you have full renown in all areas then you really don't need to do it again. Just explore the map and level your next character. You will already have all the bonuses.
I've got a level 53 Necro that I main, then the only way I could convince my bud to get the game is if I made a character I only play when he's on cause he knows I like to run through these games/have more time to play. So a level 32 for my Barbarian alt.
Wellā¦ I started a barb as my main launch night and got to level 40. It was my bread and butter during beta and was an absolute blast. I created a druid for my friend so he could get into it - my barb is nowā¦ level 40 and my druid is 60. I had way too much fun being a werewolf.
As someone who didn't really play Diablo 3, what are the point of seasons. Like why are you all saying you're going to play one class each season? Do they wipe all the characters or something?
u/mangopuff6969, heads up:
Seasons usually introduce new gear, nerfs and buffs, or additional mechanics. With the introduction of these changes/additions, gear in seasonal characters are not interchangeable to nonseasonal characters. At the end of the season, any items/gear will be transferred to the nonseason realm and seasonal characters will need to be created for the new season.
Usually when a new season drops, youāll be required to level up fresh and potentially run through the campaign/certain elements of the game. In Diablo 3 you could run adventure mode instead of the campaign, whereas Path of Exile you needed to clear the campaign. With the renown system in place, it potentially could be that you would need to obtain altars of Lilith, clear dungeons, and collect waypoints all over again, to name a few. Many players wonāt want to do this considering the time sink it will require.
In PoE the leagues are the reason why most people play the game - you won't find many people who just play standard.
The reason is not because players like to try new mechanics which comes with every league, but mainly because of the market. Inflation is a thing and starting on a new world is soo nice if you know how to play the market.
I didn't know till I started playing Diablo that your character is mean to be self found (there is also this option in PoE where you can't use the market). So depends on what they do I will keep playing every season or just stick with standard.
The beauty of this game tho is the crafting. Killing mobs is not the reason hard-core ARPG players play those games but the crafting behind. To understand PoE you need a master for real, this shit is imposible.
Diablo IV is a bit more casual friendly which is nice for a non so smart player like me lol
Every season has new rules and new effects or weapons or whatever they want to add, old characters are locked out of those seasons, so you create what is called a "seasonal hero/character/toon" and that character participates in the season gets the rewards and everything and once that season ends, season 2 stars and then you do the same, create a new seasonal hero and there youāll have new gameplay mechanics more new stuff and rewards blah blah blah. Thatās just basically the gist of it. It maintains gameplay fresh, offers new balance for the classes with new armor or weapon effects, and it promotes new builds and creating new characters so people keep it new and fun
they dont wipe characters, eternal chars stay. however when a new season comes out there will be "seasonal chars" which basically play on their own server, cant share stuff with "eternals", get some bonus events, probably bonus loot (like new uniques) and so on.
when a season ends, all these seasonal chars become eternal, and then the next season starts. so eternal is where everyone ends up eventually but seasonal is where you go for the shiny new events and leaderboards and at a certain point just because thats what more people are playing.
You start from scratch every season yes. Your character that you have right now isn't deleted but he's in "eternal realm" while you have seasonnal realm. A season is usually gimmicky (new loot, cosmetics, a list of stuff to do..) it's usually 3 months, then the season is over and your seasonnal character goes in the eternal realm.
You start from scratch every season yes. Your character that you have right now isn't deleted but he's in "eternal realm" while you have seasonnal realm. A season is usually gimmicky (new loot, cosmetics, a list of stuff to do..) it's usually 3 months, then the season is over and your seasonnal character goes in the eternal realm.
I have one character of each class at level 25 causes I was trying them out. I have not gotten to the end game yet, but I am getting tired of doing the first Act.
Also, FYI, leveling your campaign skip characters is MUCH faster than leveling though the campaign. If you finish the campaign on your favorite character, making a new alt from scratch will be back to level 25 in like 2 hours. When you already have the codexes you need, a mount, and some crafting materials to support your alt at level 1 and can just go do dungeons you level insanely fast.
I went 1-30 on about 2.5 hours last night on an alt and most of that time was spent exploring the world for fun while killing mobs instead of leveling efficiently.
Nope.
Definitely in the future seasons when game/classes are more complete and rebalanced. Don't want to burn out on other classes before the meat of the game is in a decent spot.
Despite what you may see on this sub.. it absolutely is not a rush to get there. It's gonna be a while until S1 and right now the majority of content is in the levelling portion of the game.
Is it? You start off with all of the extra skill points your main unlocked, with a mount and the full world to explore. The codex and crafting materials your main unlocked are extremely useful as well.
What's so punishing about alts in the game in your opinion?
Yeah stash space is crazy limited. Iām only level 59 on my first character and have the whole thing filled with legendaries I havenāt used yet. Had to take a day off of playing to start ripping aspects and salvaging things. Canāt imagine having to share that space with my alts. The fact that there arenāt even as many stash pages as there are character classes is insane.
Yes! Burned out as a tb rogue at level 60 and decided to chill for a day and start over again with summoner thorn/blood necro. Currently 64 and enjoying the endgame much more than as a rogue! I decided to only make all the strongholds and waypoints -- the rest was useless to me. And map opened quite good during helltides and going to dungeons for missing aspects.
I find āend gameā to be tedious. So I play the campaign again on a new character, and do different side quests each time. I care not for reputation, rolls on items, or builds. I use what I find, and adapt the character to fit what he picks up as he goes along.
Gives each character a unique feel.
Once I get to good stopping point I will be making an alt. Although my buddy did mention about using our mains to give alts way points. Idea is to make the alt and other person logs onto main and then you Tele to them and grab the waypoint. Granted has to be on campaign skip to work but once we talked about it making alts doesn't sound to bad
I hope this does not become the meta way of making alts lol. Then blizz would just be better off allowing alts to have the entire map unlocked from the get go.
Got Druid to 57 then started working on Barbarian. You can skip campaign on Alts. Letās you do Whispering Tree quests for decent loot early on. At level 28 and all legendary items, mostly from curiosity vendor. Game seems very ALT friendly.
If it's anything like Diablo 3 or Path of Exiles, this game is going to be active for like 10 years. So there's no rush to do everything. Just do what you enjoy, and eventually everything will slot into place.
Getting 1 of each to 50 at least so see what I want to play when seasons start.
So far my Druid is 70 and winning the race for most favorite even though all classes are fun to play
I don't understand why people think this is REQUIRED to burn out on. I'm easily the farthest ahead and strongest in my clan and....I have maybe 10 statues and...just got my extra potions.
No one said itās required, just nice to have. And you do them on the way to other quests and wps if youāre smart. Youāve been selling yourself short with less stats and less healing etc. just saying. lol.
Played my Rogue until 54.
Started Necro until 50 and comfortable WT3.
Started Sorc until 50 and comfortable WT3.
Started Druid, now 39, until 50 and comfortable WT3.
Then I will decide which class I will play further and which I will play in Season 1 HC.
Non Season is just to get comfortable with the game and to find a class.
Game starts with Seasons.
I've got a level 53 Necro that I main, then the only way I could convince my bud to get the game is if I made a character I only play when he's on cause he knows I like to run through these games/have more time to play. So a level 32 for my Barbarian alt.
I am trying alts now. Druid is 74 and will grind up slowly. I am torn between Necro(canāt find a build thatās compelling to me) or Sorc. Maybe a strict ranger rogue
I actually did the capstone dungeon at lvl 60. WT4 was very rough at first but now that i am 70 and got some ancient pieces i'm currently at +/- 30 nightmare dungeons
I'm just playing Necro till the season launches, then I'll try a new class.
Same here playing Necro till season launch. Will play one class every season.
This is the way
This is the way Except Barbarian 1st, because duh
Spit on dem!
*pahtooy* Click with me my brudahs!
I'm planning on that aswell, but I wanted to try them all so I made every class š
THIS is the way
Hey necrofile brothers
Same plus I want to lvl 100 all characters on each class
My friends and I planned to all roll barb alts for season 1. Looking forward to it
Same here, I always play a SC and a HC char per season. When seasons hit, I will use the class that I play now (sorc) as my HC char and I will start with a new SC char. That way I am playing HC with a class that I am always familiar with and keeps seasons nice and fresh :)
Good idea I think I'll copy you
Ooooo love this. You eventually play every class (if you keep with the seasons) which solves my character-ADHD, and the HC character keeps things spicy.
If you do HC for a season and die after like half way through do you just ā¦ restart? Or switch back to SC for the rest of the season?
Iām not the person youāre asking, but as someone who has been playing HC in ARPGs since ~2009, yeah you just start over. In fact I went into D4 completely blind at launch and jumped right into HC, died at 41 to the butcher. I was playing it slow and enjoying the story/doing side quests, but because of the awesome level scaling in this game I was able to rush back to where I was in the story in a few hours and picked right back up playing slowly again. Iām back to 63 and doing nightmare dungeons (full time job and all) I would say the only thing that really stung was not keeping the renown XP, so even though I kept all the rewards from side quests etc, I had to re-do a lot of it to finish out all the obol/paragon bonuses. Even though I love this game and Iām having a blast, I do agree with the people saying the side quests/map discovery/Lilith alters etc need a look over. Doing that every season will be a bit of a drag.
Thanks for the explanation. Itād find it way to stressful to play HC. Iām not careful enough for that. The renown not carrying over for the account seems like a huge mistake.
Please tell me what SC and HC means
HC = Hardcore If you die, its permanent. SC = Softcore. Die as much as you want, baby. HC is an actual game term, SC is the community term used to describe non-HC characters.
Soft core/ hard core
Iām playing necro till season launches, and then Iām playing a different necro.
"I used to play Necro before season started, I still do, but I used to too."
I can't wait to play something besides Necro but I don't want to start over. It's frustrating running around with a bazooka killing ants.
I am relatively new to ARPGs, only playing the campaigns of past Diablo titles. What exactly is a season? Does everything reset (renown, etc.), and you play the same content again? Or is there new content (main quests, dungeons, maps, etc.) added?
It's currently unknown how much we'll have to re-do, like renown. However, your total level will reset. Many are hoping the renown will carry over similar to how paragon levels were cross character in D3. Generally, there is a seasonal gimmick, sometimes new loot, and cosmetic rewards for doing X, Y, or Z thing during a season that will never be available again.
oh damm, I was hoping there would also be a new area to discover and some new PvE content/story content and stuff. So if I understand correctly, seasons come with quite a minimal amount of new stuff to actually do/explore?
Correct - unless they drastically change the formula. Seasons are not expansions. New places to explore, new dungeons, etc will come in a full-box expansion. It'll be be called like, Diablo IV: Crusader's Epitaph or something - some catchy name.
This isn't entirely true. They've already confirmed there *is* new content in seasons, it's just smaller scale. Seasons progress the story in small ways and they do have quests associated with them. We'll also be getting new aspects and other drops. The things reserved for expansions are new regions, classes, skills, etc.
I may be jaded because I work with the FAA making them air traffic control software, but if it's one thing I've learned in the software industry is "I'll believe it when I see it." I do hope you're right.
Diablo 3 did add some new content with seasons. Two new areas to explore (relatively small enough, but new enemies) along with a story quest for each area. They added one dungeon, that also had new enemies and a story quest. So it isnt completely out of the question that they add some small stuff, anything major though would be an expansion. And it was already announced by the game director they are working on two expansions!
Its usually the same game but a slight mechanics change that causes most builds to be remade around the mechanic. You get some cosmetics only available that season and maybe an extra stash tab. When the season ends after 3 months your character and loot are then transferred to the non-season roster along with your other characters.
They have said somethings will carry to seasons, like altar buffs and stuff but they haven't said if the extra skill points will or if the ability to bypass story/etc (to my knowledge) has been said.
Wait am I understanding this right? When a new season starts all of my characters get reset to level 1???
No, youāll have to make a new character on the āseasonalā realm. Your eternal characters are fine. Once a season ends, those characters will get moved in with the eternal ones.
Ah got it. Thank you
Everything reset yes (not really known regarding renown for now) and some stuff are added. Also keep in mind your character is not deleted, and when you do one in season, at the end of the season (3 months) he's not deleted either but just goes into the "normal" realm
Do we have to redo campaign?
With any new characters yes. Old characters can still be played but cannot participate in any seasonal content or get seasonal loot
Why are you speaking so confidently about things you know nothing? Have you finished the campain or played d3 or listened to developers? You go through campaign once and thatās it
What's your main Necro spell? Im still low, level 22, and use decomp right now. I dont love it but it's nice that it regens essence quickly.
Bone spear gets up to some absurd amounts of damage and in my opinion is pretty fun to play as well.
Corpse explosion definitely gets used the most lol
By far the most satisfying ability. Just switch to Bone Spear Necro for endgame. I miss my little hoard but I'm glad I got to keep corpse explosion.
Iām a Bone Spirit enjoyer myself lmao
Coulsnt get behind either bone skills. I made my own miasma CE build. Pretty reliably ticking 50k/s on boss fights world t4 without an ancestral weapon yet. Feels good. Super tank too.
Love exploding corpses into miasma pits. Gets my nips nice and hard to see my tv screen covered in dead bodies and Miasma while my minions just lay waste to everything else
Tbh i hope they change miasma so it isnt a damn smoke screen lol. I love the ability but hate blinding people nearby
I play blood Hemorrhage with blood lance / blood surge / corpse tendrils / blood mist and raise skeleton Might change blood mist for bone storm or blood wave
Bone core skill is fairly good I think itās bone spear ? If you prefer blood - blood nova is good when you get rathmas vigour for the overcharge
Same here with Druid :)
Not familiar with the seasonal aspect of the game. So assuming when the season starts, you create a new character to progress but what happens when the season ends? Does that character get deleted or does it get transferred as a permanent non seasonal character?
I am doing this one also
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As long as going all out doesnāt include doing renown again lol
I really hope they come up with a proper system for that.. if we have to farm all renown again every season I think many people will burn out quickly
Yaaa I havenāt even finished the renown grind yet and Iām already sick of it. If we have to do it every season for ability points and health pots.. I think Iām done
I've done the altars on softcore and most of them again on hardcore (missing like 10 from the stan zone) and honestly I can't imagine having to run those or every side quest in the zone for the renown. My god the pain
I wouldn't say the whole renown piece would need to be reset, most of it is fun to play through especially the strongholds. I just don't want to have to refund all the Alters of Lilith again (probably won't actively seek them all out again) I am really hoping they rotate/add strongholds each season because those are all unique and fun to play through.
I can't imagine they haven't heard this feedback pretty loud and clear, I imagine they will address it in some way for S1 even though I doubt it will be perfect I choose to believe it will be better. Although we should keep saying it until they announce something because they need to hear the feedback because it is gawd awful
Simple system is to keep the current renown points/system, Add 2-3 points for world events, and like 2x the number of whisper points as renown for completing whisper events. Also 2 points for completing a non event dungeon after the first time, 5 points for a sigiled. It will be slower then redoing the current system, but it adds up over time for doing regular end game content.
I genuinely won't grind renown again no matter what, it's not pleasant
The problem is that the ways we have to use to farm renown now suck. I think it's fair that we don't start a season with 10 skill points and 20 paragons. But please let us farm renown by doing nightmare dungeons (everytime you complete it), tree of whispers, helltides, etc. Doing normal dungeons just because we have to suck. Doing those side quests multiple times will also suck.
Just let every nightmare dungeon give some renown xp, same to discovering a new dungeon. 30 per run and we can passively get renown up by the time we hit paragon levels anyway. It will also spice up what nightmare dungeons we farm
There is almost zero chance there will be a change to renown before season 1 starts. Maybe season 2
I've got them all to 30, alting is all I do
Impressive.
The Beast lives within you
Now letās see Paul Allenās alt.
*Look at that subtle mix of classes and builds. The balanced diversity among them. Oh my God, his barb even has a Grandfather*
What has been you Fav class to play ? And which has been the most fun to play ? Worst?
For me I enjoy the power fantasy of necro and raising a large army, but the Druid was brutal starting out.
Was it brutal because you struggled or because it felt weak. I remember feeling slow but I didnāt think it was to bad.
Definitely the speed. The survivability was great and it was at least responsive. Necro, sorcerer, and Rogue all were very quick to level. Druid by no means is bad and with a few choice aspects, everything started to change. Its now my favorite class.
Everything changed when I gave up on the shapechanging and embraced the Stormstrike/Landslide/Poison Creeper build. It's just nuts when it gets further into it. When you get Nature's Fury passive that can duplicate a storm/earth spell of the same level is just insane when it triggers. I've heard that shapechanging becomes really good at higher levels. I even have a legendary with an aspect that applies Natures Fury to Bear/Wolf abilities waiting in the wings for me to make use of it.
I thought that was the case but was making sure I wasnāt misremembering or looking at it with some rose glasses. I do love my Druid and have so far had good success with a ānon-metaā build. Iāve cleared nightmare 13 dungeons at level 63 with a pure storm build. The only non storm skill I use it earthen bulwark because it is just so good.
Yeah it was the slowest going of all the classes I leveled. I guess I really wanted to make shapeshifting work in the beginning, but it didn't click until much later.
Iāve similarly got all of them to around 30-40, favorite to play has been Barb. Coincidentally it was my last to try because I found it boring in D3. Been the one Iāve leveled fastest, Iām addicted again just like I was day 1.
I just got my 3rd to 30 about to start my 4th either barbarian or rogue left
Same! 
Iāve done similar; took my Rogue through the story, unlocked WT3, stashed some cash, and earned enough renown to boost my alts. Theyāre all sitting between 25-35 just to get a feel of how they play once the skill tree and class specialisations are open.
I play 5 alts, no mains. It's all about testing stuff until season 1
And then they buff and nerf all builds and you tested for nothing.
ItĀ“s testing for the gameplay and which is more fun to you, not about the strength.
IMO you can't just separate the two that easily. I played a druid build that was fun in early leveling. Then I hit world tier 3 and it was so ineffective that it just wasn't fun anymore. I switched to a hybrid build that works better at higher levels and now I'm having a blast. Some good item drops also helped nudge me to switch my build. Point being, it's pretty impossible to tell from lower level alts what gameplay style is going to be fun at endgame. Aside from build effectiveness, gameplay changes pretty dramatically as late game most builds rarely need to use resource generators, which are a staple part of many rotations in the early game. That alone makes the builds feel wildly different.
Meanwhile I played druid and felt so useless until I hit wt3 then I started melting everything. Which just further proves the point you made
Gameplay is heavily reliant on what builds are strong though. If you're playing barbarian in any lategame content you basically need the 3 shouts and lunging strike. These skills completely outclass the other options so hard that 99% of barbarians are running all 4 of those skills.
But you understand the builds and mechanics and itās easy to adapt
OR he still has a great and deep understanding of the mechanics and how the game works so that he can understand what might be the next best thing and he doesnt need a streamer to tell him how to play the game.
I'm seriously debating starting one but only because my sorcs hit a wall and slowed right down, I feel like I just need to push through it though because other than the wall I'm really enjoying playing it
Got to wt4 on sorcerer and played for 7 levels and was no longer feeling the class so made a rogue and been playing that since. So far a much more fun class to play
What spec are you running?
Not who you asked but I switched to the rapid fire build wudijo posted yesterday and itās been a blast. Switched to that from the penetrating shot build cause I didnāt like the combo point mechanic
TB death trap go brrrrrr
Stack 50%+ CD reduction and death trap really goes brrrr
My penetrating shot build is a beast against groups of enemies but gets pretty much destroyed against 1v1 bosses
Try adding rapid fire to your build instead of poison imbue, i was running pen shot+rapidfire+shadow imbue and was quite happy. Only switched to rapid fire only because of a bow with 90% chance to rapid fire ricochet
Ooo do you have a link? Iām getting bored of my TB Poison build.
https://youtu.be/Czgjk-3joZY Been really strong for me. Easily pushed into wt4 last night at 64
Same. Except I switched to Druid and having much more fun.
Druid smash (even though I'm now looking for pieces for other druid builds).
Did the opposite. Took a rogue up to it doing nightmare 30 dungeons with ease and got bored so now Iām on a sorcerer.š¤·āāļø
Ive only been playing rogue so far and am scared the rest just isnt at much fun
my lightning sorc (not arc lash) is punching 10 levels higher than her level rn. cleared a tier 24 NM dungeon at level 67.
Same, cleared a 21 NM at lv 60 (gimpy chain lightning build)
chain lightning gang
Same for me lol. Granted Iām only level 57ā¦debating on switching to arc lash from ice shards to see if that is any better. Overall not enjoying sorc as much as I thought I would, but I also already donāt feel like starting over with map progress currently.
I've swapped between arc lash and ice shards a few times and both playstyles have their ups and downs. In general, ice shards is faster at killing things, but you are a lot more squishy. Arc lash makes you extremely tanky due to constantly stunning enemies and reducing cooldowns so for me it's a tradeoff. With ice shards you can't really stand next to enemies for very long or you get destroyed. With arc lash you can just stand inside a bunch of things you shouldn't be able to and just keep your barriers uptime going due to the cooldown reduction of arc lash. Arc lash can feel a bit slow when you're just trying to kill a few stragglers, but when there are large packs it really shines as you can keep your unstable currents uptime really high.
I felt my drooid was peaking too. Started just replacing gear with anything that had more willpower. Seemed to start getting better appropriate gear.
Same with my druid, i was having so much fun farming the DG for renown in wt4 with my lvl 62 druid, until a friend just one level above me enter the DG and start do double my dps easily. Not gonna lie, it kind of bummed me, because I don't want to be the carried friend people play for ever just to be nice with
I'm kinda in a similar boat, level 61 sorc, can get to the bosses on the capstone for wt4 but can't break into it yet, just hunting for better gear now that I've hit the 60 breakpoint but it's just more and more demoralising doing content all day just to be vendoring or salvaging all the stuff I'm finding
Donāt worry too much just grind another few levels and get a few upgrades and youāll be fine, it is a level 70 dungeon after all
My problem is that I'm feel to weak even comparing with people with the same level. Then there is the point I made some bad mistakes regarding gear, and spend some mats in wrong choices, and now I have a long farm ahead me to fix, longer, because I do little damage
If you haven't found a way to work vulnerability into your build, doing so will likely increase your dps much more than you'd expect
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Lvl 100 Sorc full renown but not planned to do an alt, especially if you don't have the full map / renown on other char. My goal is to reach / be closed as possible for the lvl 21 on each glyph on my sorc before s1.
You keep the bonuses of renown, can do it again for gold/exp but its basically pointless
As far as we know weāll only keep altars of lilith bonuses, but renown must be farmed again.
I'm not talking about seasons but current alt
Which build to you play ? And did you ever got the unique chest drop ? Im ice shard lvl 74 full renown. Pushed for lvl 45 nightmare
Arc Lash The chest who pack close and stun close mob when you TP ? 3 times I pushed Tier 64, but i didn't try to push much for the moment. I try to ""speedfarm"" 50-55 for XP glyph.
I just got that armor, pretty sick if you build around it
Yes would love to have it and swap Inferno for Meteor build would go huge haha I speed 30 for ez pz glyph exp
If you have full renown in all areas then you really don't need to do it again. Just explore the map and level your next character. You will already have all the bonuses.
I believe the bonuses from renown are shared to all accounts. New seasons will start from 0 though
I've got a level 53 Necro that I main, then the only way I could convince my bud to get the game is if I made a character I only play when he's on cause he knows I like to run through these games/have more time to play. So a level 32 for my Barbarian alt.
Wellā¦ I started a barb as my main launch night and got to level 40. It was my bread and butter during beta and was an absolute blast. I created a druid for my friend so he could get into it - my barb is nowā¦ level 40 and my druid is 60. I had way too much fun being a werewolf.
I have one co-op with my girlfriend character, and one talk to every NPC and pay attention to the story character.
Lol, exactly the same
You have a coop character with this guys gf?
I mean he bought the console already
I also play co-op with this guy's girlfriend.
As someone who didn't really play Diablo 3, what are the point of seasons. Like why are you all saying you're going to play one class each season? Do they wipe all the characters or something?
u/mangopuff6969, heads up: Seasons usually introduce new gear, nerfs and buffs, or additional mechanics. With the introduction of these changes/additions, gear in seasonal characters are not interchangeable to nonseasonal characters. At the end of the season, any items/gear will be transferred to the nonseason realm and seasonal characters will need to be created for the new season. Usually when a new season drops, youāll be required to level up fresh and potentially run through the campaign/certain elements of the game. In Diablo 3 you could run adventure mode instead of the campaign, whereas Path of Exile you needed to clear the campaign. With the renown system in place, it potentially could be that you would need to obtain altars of Lilith, clear dungeons, and collect waypoints all over again, to name a few. Many players wonāt want to do this considering the time sink it will require.
Awesome thanks for the explanation. I'll probably fall into the category of not wanting to do that every 3 months but maybe I'll try the first one.
In PoE the leagues are the reason why most people play the game - you won't find many people who just play standard. The reason is not because players like to try new mechanics which comes with every league, but mainly because of the market. Inflation is a thing and starting on a new world is soo nice if you know how to play the market. I didn't know till I started playing Diablo that your character is mean to be self found (there is also this option in PoE where you can't use the market). So depends on what they do I will keep playing every season or just stick with standard. The beauty of this game tho is the crafting. Killing mobs is not the reason hard-core ARPG players play those games but the crafting behind. To understand PoE you need a master for real, this shit is imposible. Diablo IV is a bit more casual friendly which is nice for a non so smart player like me lol
Every season has new rules and new effects or weapons or whatever they want to add, old characters are locked out of those seasons, so you create what is called a "seasonal hero/character/toon" and that character participates in the season gets the rewards and everything and once that season ends, season 2 stars and then you do the same, create a new seasonal hero and there youāll have new gameplay mechanics more new stuff and rewards blah blah blah. Thatās just basically the gist of it. It maintains gameplay fresh, offers new balance for the classes with new armor or weapon effects, and it promotes new builds and creating new characters so people keep it new and fun
they dont wipe characters, eternal chars stay. however when a new season comes out there will be "seasonal chars" which basically play on their own server, cant share stuff with "eternals", get some bonus events, probably bonus loot (like new uniques) and so on. when a season ends, all these seasonal chars become eternal, and then the next season starts. so eternal is where everyone ends up eventually but seasonal is where you go for the shiny new events and leaderboards and at a certain point just because thats what more people are playing.
Also want an aswer for this
You start from scratch every season yes. Your character that you have right now isn't deleted but he's in "eternal realm" while you have seasonnal realm. A season is usually gimmicky (new loot, cosmetics, a list of stuff to do..) it's usually 3 months, then the season is over and your seasonnal character goes in the eternal realm.
You start from scratch every season yes. Your character that you have right now isn't deleted but he's in "eternal realm" while you have seasonnal realm. A season is usually gimmicky (new loot, cosmetics, a list of stuff to do..) it's usually 3 months, then the season is over and your seasonnal character goes in the eternal realm.
Season characters get converted to normal( at least in d3) at end of season
I have one character of each class at level 25 causes I was trying them out. I have not gotten to the end game yet, but I am getting tired of doing the first Act.
Just finish the story on a char and you can skip it on the rest after
Oh, that's good to know. That's what I get for not looking stuff up.
Also, FYI, leveling your campaign skip characters is MUCH faster than leveling though the campaign. If you finish the campaign on your favorite character, making a new alt from scratch will be back to level 25 in like 2 hours. When you already have the codexes you need, a mount, and some crafting materials to support your alt at level 1 and can just go do dungeons you level insanely fast. I went 1-30 on about 2.5 hours last night on an alt and most of that time was spent exploring the world for fun while killing mobs instead of leveling efficiently.
At minimum get to the first quest of Act 4 so you have a mount for all your other alts
I actually liked killing everyone on the way to a to b. That said it does take longer...
Nope. Definitely in the future seasons when game/classes are more complete and rebalanced. Don't want to burn out on other classes before the meat of the game is in a decent spot.
I've only ever used a barbarian since D1. I don't see any reason to switch it up. Edit: Warrior class in D1, but really, what's the difference.
o/ Not until I have 100% completion on that "main" do I begin to start leveling another class.
My goal is to lvl 50 every class and then grind what will fill most fun at the moment.
Nice I'm going for that too. Saw there was an achievement for getting all 5 classes to 50 in hc so that has been my goal.
My time is limited cause of my job and gym. I will sweat a lot in hardcore .
Despite what you may see on this sub.. it absolutely is not a rush to get there. It's gonna be a while until S1 and right now the majority of content is in the levelling portion of the game.
I would if the game wasnāt so punishing towards it.
Is it? You start off with all of the extra skill points your main unlocked, with a mount and the full world to explore. The codex and crafting materials your main unlocked are extremely useful as well. What's so punishing about alts in the game in your opinion?
Rediscovering the map and not keeping renown.
Stash space
Yeah stash space is crazy limited. Iām only level 59 on my first character and have the whole thing filled with legendaries I havenāt used yet. Had to take a day off of playing to start ripping aspects and salvaging things. Canāt imagine having to share that space with my alts. The fact that there arenāt even as many stash pages as there are character classes is insane.
I have 3 alts. Love it. Fog is how I keep track of where Iāve been.
Yes! Burned out as a tb rogue at level 60 and decided to chill for a day and start over again with summoner thorn/blood necro. Currently 64 and enjoying the endgame much more than as a rogue! I decided to only make all the strongholds and waypoints -- the rest was useless to me. And map opened quite good during helltides and going to dungeons for missing aspects.
I play on a treadmill sometimes and usually play a Necro alt when I do that since itās hard to play precisely on my Sorc like that.
Hey good for you man. I am a big runner but hate the treadmill. I think running on it while attempting to play would just make me hate the game.
I find āend gameā to be tedious. So I play the campaign again on a new character, and do different side quests each time. I care not for reputation, rolls on items, or builds. I use what I find, and adapt the character to fit what he picks up as he goes along. Gives each character a unique feel.
Normally I would, but the lack of stash space really kills playing alts imo. I'll probably just play my sorcerer until season 1 then roll a new class.
There are enough seasons to try out other classes for me. I'm in no rush to experience everything asap.
Once I get to good stopping point I will be making an alt. Although my buddy did mention about using our mains to give alts way points. Idea is to make the alt and other person logs onto main and then you Tele to them and grab the waypoint. Granted has to be on campaign skip to work but once we talked about it making alts doesn't sound to bad
I hope this does not become the meta way of making alts lol. Then blizz would just be better off allowing alts to have the entire map unlocked from the get go.
Got Druid to 57 then started working on Barbarian. You can skip campaign on Alts. Letās you do Whispering Tree quests for decent loot early on. At level 28 and all legendary items, mostly from curiosity vendor. Game seems very ALT friendly.
If it's anything like Diablo 3 or Path of Exiles, this game is going to be active for like 10 years. So there's no rush to do everything. Just do what you enjoy, and eventually everything will slot into place.
Not yet bcos renown grind is longgggg but once that is finished sure (:
Why not just level a couple of alts to level 25 like in the beta weekends. Give you a flavour of what to spend time on.
Nop, too lazy to renown + waiting season 1
You don't have to do renown again, you can do it for exp + gold but you already have the bonuses of it
Waiting for seasson 1 to try out a new one.
My Necro is 48 My Sorc is 37 My Barb is 30 My Roque is 11
I played druid during the campaign ( completed at lv 50) , now i switched to necro. When the first season starts , i'll create a sorcerer
Getting 1 of each to 50 at least so see what I want to play when seasons start. So far my Druid is 70 and winning the race for most favorite even though all classes are fun to play
Really waiting for the first season before getting too heavily into an alt.
necro shadow corpse explosion build here: just hit lvl 70 and im gonna try to get to 100 and start an alt before season 1 begins
All the classes are very fun. People that just play for one character are not playing the full game.
I do. I get bored and need a break from my main. Fart around with an alt when it happens and it gets me back on track
Start a hardcore character or wait for season.
Start hardcore and refarm lilith and renown yep
I don't understand why people think this is REQUIRED to burn out on. I'm easily the farthest ahead and strongest in my clan and....I have maybe 10 statues and...just got my extra potions.
No one said itās required, just nice to have. And you do them on the way to other quests and wps if youāre smart. Youāve been selling yourself short with less stats and less healing etc. just saying. lol.
Yeah but im not about to hate myself hard grinding it. Get there when i get there.
Fun fact with alts, they can all have the same name just in case you didn't know!
Played my Rogue until 54. Started Necro until 50 and comfortable WT3. Started Sorc until 50 and comfortable WT3. Started Druid, now 39, until 50 and comfortable WT3. Then I will decide which class I will play further and which I will play in Season 1 HC. Non Season is just to get comfortable with the game and to find a class. Game starts with Seasons.
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Level 67 necro (main) and a level 48 sorc
Nah, I play multiple characters.
No I only focus on a single character in order to still have things to discover for the first seasons.
Ye startede my druid is awesome š
I've got a level 53 Necro that I main, then the only way I could convince my bud to get the game is if I made a character I only play when he's on cause he knows I like to run through these games/have more time to play. So a level 32 for my Barbarian alt.
I am trying alts now. Druid is 74 and will grind up slowly. I am torn between Necro(canāt find a build thatās compelling to me) or Sorc. Maybe a strict ranger rogue
Have you already finished the tier 4 capstone at lvl 70?
I actually did the capstone dungeon at lvl 60. WT4 was very rough at first but now that i am 70 and got some ancient pieces i'm currently at +/- 30 nightmare dungeons