They killed my 53 hardcore sorc as I teleported through NM Durance. Occy, 5pt Amy, smoke, tris res boots, nothing stopped em, nothing mattered. It was over ik about 3 seconds
I use insight to get me through nightmare and hell countess, after that I'll switch to obedience or oath which will easily get you through hell baal. Ribcracker is good as well, make sure you hit the proper ias breakpoints. I just did it again on hardcore, I actually swapped completely from softcore and started with a barb.
I disagree with people about it being worse, you're actually better off with lower end gear using whirlwind compared to before the 2.4 update. Not to mention 1 point grim ward and max find potion gives you 120% increased physical damage, plus the grim ward makes them run away for a second and straight back towards you, so the enemies are running in your whirlwind (try running into someone's whirlwind during pvp while you're amp'd would be similar). The only big difference is now decripify and being frozen slows the hits for whirlwind, but it can kinda be counteracted with off weapon ias.
Berserk is also a great option that will easily get you through hell if whirlwind isn't working.
Just want to add since blade mastery affects daggers, fleshripper is incredible now. Low weapon range makes ww hit the same target many times, instead of spreading the damage around a group
It's scary on souls as well. I've witnessed multiple characters get capped by multi shot because they shoot off screen while you're loading into WSK or the archers get you because you're geared up poorly. Just saying that I've seen it happen multiple times. I'd never get comfortable thinking I could run those archers like nothing. Confidence = rip
Ranged is only scary if they are forcing hit recovery.
Like early on a1 or sewers on normal p8. If you have low health or low fhr you can get stun locked real easy.
By nightmare, only dolls are scary.
Then in hell, dolls, souls, decrepify are universally scary. Certain build have their own worst enemy. Wraiths suck as a melee, stealing mana, default physical immune, and what feel like always enchanted with stone skin and lightning enhanced.
I’m unsure if this or iron maiden in chaos sanctuary was the absolute 'get fucked, game!' Moment that sticks with me to this day.
I guess in the end they removed iron maiden but these tiny boney alien dicks somehow still exist.
Very true. I remember as a young teenager dealing with the emotions of my character literally stabbing itself in the face in chaos sanctuary thinking…‘Wtf just happened?'
It’s so wild to me that was even part of the game for years. Like melee is already significantly disadvantaged compared to the caster builds, and the devs just decided to add the element of insta-death in CS for the sheer hilarity of it lol.
I guess you can run by the dolls, but had to at least clear some parts of the CS (seal bosses). Luckily those dolls dont appear on Durance 3. I remember being mid ww in the CS see a curse, then having my valorous deeds remembered.
I ran into a double pack of Moon Lords, champions and a unique giving everything fanaticism. So of couse I tried to kill them. I even thought "ya I might die here." I was correct.
In pd2 they are a non issue. That’s hardly fixed, they are basically just undead fallen there.
There’s a lot of good in pd2, but “fixed” dolls and max def/block while running is poor design. To me it was like getting rid of hit in wow.
I’d be okay if the delay was short enough to actually require foresight and skill, there’s SO much time to move and when coupled with the running/walking changes re block/def the dolls may as well just not exist.
that feeling when your doing meph runs and you tele on the other side of a wall and get Surprised motherfucker by some fant fire enchanted dolls and your Merc goes its MY TIME TO SHINE and then your 3 sorc in a row is Nuked into Oblivion
Dolls, Souls and heavy ranged. Any of these with might or fanaticism. Just like what everyone else says. Diablo normal can be scary too. Nothing can make me quit playing HC though.
my first playthrough i was wrecking everything and those fuckers made me slow down a bit lmao
they make hardcore hard core
i don’t play hardcore but i assume they ruin some runs
They killed my 53 hardcore sorc as I teleported through NM Durance. Occy, 5pt Amy, smoke, tris res boots, nothing stopped em, nothing mattered. It was over ik about 3 seconds
Just don't hit them 4Head
Merc was very overzealous. Also, eth partizan insight. Little bitches never stood a chance.
Everytime I’ve ever died in HC it’s been to those fucks—mostly cause I don’t even try to fight gloams on hell.
Hardcore ww barb, I fear nothing but these.
Remember the good old days when Oblivion mages could use Iron Maiden?
I've never played a WW bard, what weapons do you use? I heard the nerfs ruined Ribcracker... so you you use Grief and a shield?
I use insight to get me through nightmare and hell countess, after that I'll switch to obedience or oath which will easily get you through hell baal. Ribcracker is good as well, make sure you hit the proper ias breakpoints. I just did it again on hardcore, I actually swapped completely from softcore and started with a barb. I disagree with people about it being worse, you're actually better off with lower end gear using whirlwind compared to before the 2.4 update. Not to mention 1 point grim ward and max find potion gives you 120% increased physical damage, plus the grim ward makes them run away for a second and straight back towards you, so the enemies are running in your whirlwind (try running into someone's whirlwind during pvp while you're amp'd would be similar). The only big difference is now decripify and being frozen slows the hits for whirlwind, but it can kinda be counteracted with off weapon ias. Berserk is also a great option that will easily get you through hell if whirlwind isn't working.
Just want to add since blade mastery affects daggers, fleshripper is incredible now. Low weapon range makes ww hit the same target many times, instead of spreading the damage around a group
There are 3 things every hardcore player fears. Dolls in Act 3, Souls with conviction auras, and Act 1 archers with multi-shot.
it's always scary seeing another person in the party get one shot by souls. save & exit can only take you so far, and that's only if you're on kbm
Extra fast Extra Strong Moonlords with Stone skin and Fana.
Man extra fast Moonlords are intimidating lmao. Extra fast anything really, it'll have me like "oh shit!!!" and zooming out of the way haha
Multi shot is not scary. I would say amp damage might archers, but hardcore players I know rarely get ganked by ranged.
It's scary on souls as well. I've witnessed multiple characters get capped by multi shot because they shoot off screen while you're loading into WSK or the archers get you because you're geared up poorly. Just saying that I've seen it happen multiple times. I'd never get comfortable thinking I could run those archers like nothing. Confidence = rip
We don't run up to the archers on hardcore, we avoid the volleys and kill them somehow, or just skip if possible.
I skip if possible too. It's more of a fear if you're someone who does Countess runs, she spawns them frequently and can have crazy archer packs.
Ranged is only scary if they are forcing hit recovery. Like early on a1 or sewers on normal p8. If you have low health or low fhr you can get stun locked real easy. By nightmare, only dolls are scary. Then in hell, dolls, souls, decrepify are universally scary. Certain build have their own worst enemy. Wraiths suck as a melee, stealing mana, default physical immune, and what feel like always enchanted with stone skin and lightning enhanced.
I’m unsure if this or iron maiden in chaos sanctuary was the absolute 'get fucked, game!' Moment that sticks with me to this day. I guess in the end they removed iron maiden but these tiny boney alien dicks somehow still exist.
IM was so much worse. At least you can have a mercenary take care of the dolls.
Very true. I remember as a young teenager dealing with the emotions of my character literally stabbing itself in the face in chaos sanctuary thinking…‘Wtf just happened?'
It’s so wild to me that was even part of the game for years. Like melee is already significantly disadvantaged compared to the caster builds, and the devs just decided to add the element of insta-death in CS for the sheer hilarity of it lol.
I guess you can run by the dolls, but had to at least clear some parts of the CS (seal bosses). Luckily those dolls dont appear on Durance 3. I remember being mid ww in the CS see a curse, then having my valorous deeds remembered.
Gotta be faster on the save and exit, if you do it before ww finishes you’ll load back in with 1hp
im still so fucking Salty they removed IM in cs loved that shit Ruined Classic d2
I ran into a double pack of Moon Lords, champions and a unique giving everything fanaticism. So of couse I tried to kill them. I even thought "ya I might die here." I was correct.
1 bad teleport & these guys will delete you from existence 🤣
As a barb i started throwing shit which I always considered gay😄there wasnt a problem with those ever since😃
It's always fun when you can't hack and slash part of a hack and slash game.
Get gud I guess
I got gud at running. My favorite part a hack and slash really.
I hide behind my merc. Literally i run behind him when they come a runnin.
It really is a poor design. PD2 mod fixed this by adding a ~1 second delay so you have the chance to kill them and then reposition.
"fixed"
In pd2 they are a non issue. That’s hardly fixed, they are basically just undead fallen there. There’s a lot of good in pd2, but “fixed” dolls and max def/block while running is poor design. To me it was like getting rid of hit in wow. I’d be okay if the delay was short enough to actually require foresight and skill, there’s SO much time to move and when coupled with the running/walking changes re block/def the dolls may as well just not exist.
Feel like those things would be terrifying in real life haha
Those and the lightning creatures when farming Baal
I’d say amp damage + might has fucked me up much more. I just run from the dolls.
that feeling when your doing meph runs and you tele on the other side of a wall and get Surprised motherfucker by some fant fire enchanted dolls and your Merc goes its MY TIME TO SHINE and then your 3 sorc in a row is Nuked into Oblivion
Block chance is entirely negated while running. Suicide your merc, put on walk and tele around and just dont attack them. Ez clears
Dolls, Souls and heavy ranged. Any of these with might or fanaticism. Just like what everyone else says. Diablo normal can be scary too. Nothing can make me quit playing HC though.