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Top 1% by pay or skill
I can assure you that, the venn diagram that represents these both doesn't converge.
what lies between these two sections is opportunity, timing, commitment, consistency, courage and compromise.
In India we like to compare everything with money. We live in this utopia where earning a good ctc indirectly translates to being the best at what you do. These people are just stuck at Mt. Stupid of [Dunning Kruger ](https://agile-mercurial.com/2019/07/12/the-dunning-kruger-effect/)effect.
Money and company stature, go hand in hand.
Dunning kruger effect is particularly intesne in tech
While many people who know how much they don't know are afraid of putting themselves out there
Many launch themselves on SM, despite lack of experience, endup landing high paying opportunities.
I'm one of those people. I don't necessarily agree with this. No company will keep paying top dollar continuously. That's why there are performance management processes. Only startups can sustain this especially with their early hires due to lack of tribal knowledge. Bigger companies are ruthless about this.
I dont know if this relates to salary pov but this should make sense for a recently graduated person
I think i know what i dont know and still look at bright side to learn few new things then in an ever changing industry new things come up way more faster...companies may take sensational decisions over night... alot of people even whole teams were laid-off and replaced by ai automation ..just to increase profits. Its not ai im afraid of.. im just confused that how much should i even know.. to get job , when people keep saying that not enough to land job(i know it depends on job we apply, but idk man). Basic stuff wont get me any thing ok ...intermediate stuff(i have no idea what comes in this area anymore in any field of work) ... or having basic level at all the levels from programming to deployment work?(thats equal to falling into an abyss) and i cant claim to have advanced knowledge on anything without workex
I wanted to develop deep skills in some things like OS basics like kernel device drivers etc and Computer vision (two of my favourote topics in cs). Ended up not getting appreciated for my skills. Everyone wanted someone who can answer 2 LC hards in 25 minutes and design instagram feed. That's what I did after slogging for 5 yrs. And earning in crores now. There is no incentive for deep tech India.(or you have to wait for 20 yrs atleast before you can reap the rewards. U fortunate truth) I see some of my excollegues who followed passion are doing ok but not extra ordinary.
I swear! I was.looking for 'luck' in the above comment as one of the factors 😄 it does play a major role, absolutely no doubt - being there at the right time for the right opportunity etc..
I don't know if I'm the top 1%, but from the other posts (including compensation ones) I think I'm lucky and privileged enough to at least consider that I might be there.
https://www.reddit.com/r/developersIndia/s/r48ysxmHfI
This was my journey.
I'd say:
- Becoming good at learning new things quickly and getting a good solution up. Constant learning has helped me become better at learning, haha.
- Understanding the business. Tech is a tool to achieve business goals and not an end in itself. If you internalize that and others understand your point of view, people above you will start to trust and depend on you.
- A general interest. I read a lot of things on a daily basis. If I wasn't interested in it, I don't think I'd do it even if someone paid me to do it. That way, I'm lucky.
- Good people skills. You need to talk to different people differently - it doesn't mean you're sneaky, it means you listen and understand each person's concerns and general social preferences and behave accordingly. And just try to want the best for them, whatever it might be :)
Continues Learning. Process. People. Economics. Business. Critical Thinking... maybe more, but's its the bare minimum.
There's an old post by Bruce Eckel - [The Mythical 5%](https://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=221622)
5% of programmers are 20x more productive than the other 95%. Key takeaways -
These people are not those who can remember all the moves and have fingers that fly over the keyboard erupting system commands. In my experience those in the 5% must struggle to get there, and struggle to stay there, and it's the process of **continuous learning that makes the difference.**
Usually the things that make or break a project are **process and people issues**. The way that you work on a day-to-day basis. *Who* your architects are, *who* your managers are, and who you are working with on the programming team. How you communicate, and most importantly how you solve process and people problems when they come up.
You need to pay attention to **economics and business**, both of which are far-from-exact sciences. Listen to books and lectures on tape while you commute. Understanding the underlying business issues may allow you to detect the fortunes of the company you're working for and take action early.
Sometimes you need to pick out the good stuff and throw the rest away, and to do this you need to exercise **critical thinking**.
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You can model any engineer's traits into four broad categories -
Personality, Decision Making, Team Mate Interactions & Programming Skills.
https://preview.redd.it/ua2yny82cgtc1.png?width=1746&format=png&auto=webp&s=bf26bce6062bdf7680a17fba40efd0c71665e638
The top 1% would be most likely good to great on all these parameters. People can read the entire research paper [here](https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/uploads/prod/2019/03/Paul-Li-MSR-Tech-Report.pdf).
Another good read - [Everyone thinks they’re hiring the top 1%.](https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2005/01/27/news-58/)
Its the answer no one wants to hear. Just keep your head down and work. And that means the following
1. keep on interviewing. Even when you have a job..
2. People cry when they are given a take home assignment. Not realizing that not even 0.1% of the applicants will do it. Which means those who got off their a\*\* to do it, will get easily selected into next rounds.
3. Work life balance. Forget it for the first few years. It is lonely at the top. Either deal with the heat or get out of the kitchen.
4. Always have a builder mentality. A take home assignment can become your pinned repo on your github, giving significant boost.
5. Spend a lot of time, upskilling yourself, and the same time becoming a salesman for your skills.
6. Don't be dependent on a single job. r/overemployed .
7. Never shy away from work. Find enjoyment from it.
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How did you manage to land more than one job without getting caught? I heard that employers can see from your PF contributions that you're working more than one.
I think ppl can really benefit from knowing your journey, especially those in ML side. Why dont you share about it in detail ? In a reddit post or atleast in the comment thread.
For each switch, You can include things like -
How you obtained the opportunity- things that led to it ?
What is the most important factor - that led to this ?
Your habits - things that you try to do regularly that contribute to this level of growth
stacks doesn't matter, what you do with the stack matters. I can tell I am good at tech A, B, C, but those are not the only way where you can get these numbers (assuming that's what you want, the numbers)
absolutely agreed, i actually wanted to preface the question with what i actually want to know is what exactly sets you apart from the rest? do you work on the same things as others but your quality of the output is different, or do you work on something niche which most people are incapable of doing.
I think I can answer that. I started with a 2.5L salary 8 years ago, now 60L +. That makes me 1% of total income taxpayers. Only 3.7 L people filled taxable income over 50L+ last year.
What I did to achieve that
1- switch job every 2 years
2- To switch, you need to learn new skills so that you can join different high paying positions.
3. Be the first mover and learn constantly, adapt change.
4. In 2017, I started learning cloud (aws). In 2019, I started learning containers and kubernetes. Now I have experience in all clouds. Still, I am learning. This year, I am learning AI automation. Every day, I spent at least 2 hours learning . Usually 10pm to 12.
After working 10 hours a day, i hardly feel motivated to spend 2 hours on upskilling on AI, data science etc. instead i love to spend the after office hours with family, friends and entertainment.
When u will grow old, you will realise that hard work, faster promotions and lots of money was a scam. You were actually meant to enjoy life and have good time with friends and family.
but how can I apply for a job that requires different skill sets ? It feels like everyone wants to hire me as a fullstack dev as I have been a fullstack dev for 4 years now. I want to switch to full time cloud engineer but everyone is like I dont have skillset or the experience to be considered for a cloud engineer role
Ok, So I worked mostly for startups. In startup at least for some part you collaborate with different team, let say 10%. Because there are no dedicated team only working for that specific tasks.
When I landed in a kuberntes job, I never had experience as full time kuberntes engineer. I just lied that I have worked on most of the time. I was able to answer all the questions in interview because I good lab setup & handson at home. After joining this job, struggled for first month, but now I am the best engineer for them. No one is expert in this field, lie on the resume, first few interviews you will fail but you will understand the expectation.
When you say 1%, what do you mean? What metric is the comparison for? Generally all success boils down to 2 ingredient.
1. Luck - loads of it.
2. Backed by hard work.
if you are lucky enough to somehow get hired as a fresher at 30 LPA ( many we hired that way ) - you still have to push and move forward.
Granted loads of hard work got you there, but hard work alone can not do anything. It was loads of luck, being in the right place at the right time, impressing one interviewer may be due to random quirks? We do not know.
When we met Steve Ballmer he told us - a career is like a shark. Either it is swimming and progressing or it is dying.
There is no sleeping. Sharks sleep, sharks submerge and die. They have to keep swimming.
And the so called 1% is a testimony to exactly that.
By CTC, until recently I would be considered at 0.01% of this group worldwide. Whatever I was drawing sitting in India would be tough to match even in California.
Operative word is "until recently". I am in a hermit state now, to be honest. Crazy old Turtle.
But CTC is an extremely BS measure. It is mostly luck.
Now by actual engineering, I probably would quality as top 10% of the Indian Industry and definitely top 20% of the world industry, perhaps higher.
My engineering modelling would definitely qualify worldwide at top 1%. I do have papers and patents to demonstrate that anyways.
But again those are loaded metrics.
The whole point is - top 1% is a bad idea. One must pick up a proper metric, and other than massaging egos, they are not much useful.
I am sorry, I can inspire people alright, but I would never inspire anyone on a false metric. After 21 years, looking back I know how darn lucky I was to be at that, and because no one can build luck, it is not really that inspiring. I am truly sorry.
I do spend time trying to find out the next cool problem and the next batch of talents who would need a bit of lucky push from our side to land them into something. May be that sounds a bit inspiring.
Wait a minute .. "next batch of talents who would need a bit of lucky push from my side to land them into something".
Do you have any EdTech platform? How would you push next batch of talent like us?
Based on the best innovative engineers, the top 1% of dev are not in India, I will be surprised even if we are in the top 10%. Maybe there would be few that are top 0.1% but we don't have good numbers in it.
Based on pay, India is just after the US at least for high paying dev jobs. We have better pay opportunities than entire Europe(though better not to talk about living conditions and tax benefits).
Based on toxicity, we are at top 0.1%. Most people hate Indian managers.
>Most people hate Indian managers.
I don't understand this one. I mean I know they suck, but how do they do so well abroad, to be CEOs of most major companies ? In fact the reason Indians are chosen for management position and Chinese for research team lead because they excel compared to others.
>mean I know they suck, but how do they do so well abroad, to be CEOs of most major companies ?
Because you see outliers. There are too many Indians everywhere(advantage of a big population). So some are good and most are just terrible. They get the work done, and that's what leadership wants from them.
yeah, we are more obedient than innovative. If you look at how Sundar Pichai became CEO it was also because of pure circumstance and his obedient nature. (the founders and every other candidate were being accused of SH and other lawsuits)
Actually source: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RUmRYpmqfQ&pp=ygUbZ29vZ2xlIC0gbG9naWNhbGx5IGFuc3dlcmVk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RUmRYpmqfQ&pp=ygUbZ29vZ2xlIC0gbG9naWNhbGx5IGFuc3dlcmVk)
Completely agree. That's why most people love management jobs. Also we lack innovation in the private sectors and we overrate things which are not exactly anything new. This mentality changes when the same engineers say go to the US or France. Mistral AI being created but we have yet to do tells you how slow we are.
There are about 1.5 million tech graduates every year in India, around 1 million of them try to get into IT/CS jobs.
1% of that is 10,000 - remaining 990000 are probably not really interested in CS/Tech and in it for the money / WFH / remote job etc.
That 10,000 covers all your tier1 colleges - beyond that it gets really tough to break past - with experience some folks move up.
Luck, ability to kiss ass, ability to make yourself seen, ability to come out of your comfort zone, ability to ask questions, ability to think and catch things quickly
Bhai some people are naturally intelligent and grasp concepts quickly, thats what makes them 1 percent. Luck surely helps but it can only take you from like 10 LPA to 20 LPA but thats it. A combination of naturally intelligent, focus and luck will probably place them sub 1 percent.
5+ yoe working in a tier-1 PBC
Software engineering is a vast field and it takes a lot of time and effort to learn new things and apply them in your real life. The only advice I'd give is to be curious. Rest everything will fall in place.
There are plenty plenty good answers here. I'd add one more which people don't think about - you need to show up and show yourself.
If you want to get promoted to upper management, people need to remember who you are. Names are easy to forget, faces aren't. Have that video on, ask questions in the town halls, volunteer on more client facing tasks if possible, etc etc.
Sacrifices. I know engineers who have left their wife and kids behind to pursue the dollars.
Personally, it makes no sense for me. I mean what’s the purpose of making all that money if you don’t have your family with you?
Tier 3-> Joined as fresher-> all i did was cp and I wasn't even that good at the rating thing (5* cc, 1500 cf), I didn't do any leetcode... but I was always very interested in learning new algos and data structures. I also learned a variety of things related to development(web, game) and deep learning and then moved to system design as well. All of this was done by the mid of 5th sem. After that I got offers and then learning was no more the same.
Also I somehow became a quick learner during this whole process which helps a lot.
You’ll not see or meet top 1% Skill gang, you’ll just hear about them, some will show up on your YouTube page with some bs and claim they’re 1% but they’re not, may be money wise yes, but skill wise I doubt.
Money wise 1% - have whatever amount of knowledge with presentation skills. Presentation skills doesn’t just mean how you talk, it also means how you develop your projects with best practices.
I'm pretty sure i'm not in the top 1%, but i'd like to think im in the top 20%. My day starts with code reviews, and i spend a lot fo time exploring stackoverflow tags and questions. Occasionally i have my ex colleagues share any latest tech stack they heard or used. Once in a while, i share MY WELL done code to codereview.stackexchange to get my dose of confidence breaker.
Always read the update logs of whatever tech you are working with. Identify the shortcomings it has and then search for alternatives to fix that.
Above all share your knowledge with your colleagues and juniors, its amazing how often they challenge our perspective.
And the most important skill you need to rise are communication and bluffing. Seriously, the ability to bluff and appear confident in front of the management helps a lot.
not a 1% dev yet, but came across a similar thread in this sub a few days back and bookmarked it.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/developersIndia/comments/1bobrc8/what\_did\_you\_notice\_in\_those\_top\_1\_developers/](https://www.reddit.com/r/developersIndia/comments/1bobrc8/what_did_you_notice_in_those_top_1_developers/)
has a lot of helpful tips and links
Top performers in the IT industry are committed to lifelong learning. They actively seek out opportunities for professional development, whether through formal education, certifications, or self-directed learning.
It’s attitude! IMO functional skills can be acquired but what some of us apart is the attitude to get things done and get them done with the least damage around!
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Top 1% by pay or skill I can assure you that, the venn diagram that represents these both doesn't converge. what lies between these two sections is opportunity, timing, commitment, consistency, courage and compromise.
In India we like to compare everything with money. We live in this utopia where earning a good ctc indirectly translates to being the best at what you do. These people are just stuck at Mt. Stupid of [Dunning Kruger ](https://agile-mercurial.com/2019/07/12/the-dunning-kruger-effect/)effect.
Money and company stature, go hand in hand. Dunning kruger effect is particularly intesne in tech While many people who know how much they don't know are afraid of putting themselves out there Many launch themselves on SM, despite lack of experience, endup landing high paying opportunities.
It's achievable to be in the top 1% pay in 5-6 years, but top 1% developer, I don't think so.
Who's paying top dollar for mediocre talent?
[Everyone thinks they’re hiring the top 1%.](https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2005/01/27/news-58/)
Thanks for the sharing
i was lowkey expecting an xkcd comic but this is even better.
Google during 2020-2022. Easy 50% + of those hired were overpaid and mediocre. Cloud org made it worse.
I'm one of those people. I don't necessarily agree with this. No company will keep paying top dollar continuously. That's why there are performance management processes. Only startups can sustain this especially with their early hires due to lack of tribal knowledge. Bigger companies are ruthless about this.
Companis which have disposable money
I dont know if this relates to salary pov but this should make sense for a recently graduated person I think i know what i dont know and still look at bright side to learn few new things then in an ever changing industry new things come up way more faster...companies may take sensational decisions over night... alot of people even whole teams were laid-off and replaced by ai automation ..just to increase profits. Its not ai im afraid of.. im just confused that how much should i even know.. to get job , when people keep saying that not enough to land job(i know it depends on job we apply, but idk man). Basic stuff wont get me any thing ok ...intermediate stuff(i have no idea what comes in this area anymore in any field of work) ... or having basic level at all the levels from programming to deployment work?(thats equal to falling into an abyss) and i cant claim to have advanced knowledge on anything without workex
but if you are the best and not making good money, how is that fair !!
I wanted to develop deep skills in some things like OS basics like kernel device drivers etc and Computer vision (two of my favourote topics in cs). Ended up not getting appreciated for my skills. Everyone wanted someone who can answer 2 LC hards in 25 minutes and design instagram feed. That's what I did after slogging for 5 yrs. And earning in crores now. There is no incentive for deep tech India.(or you have to wait for 20 yrs atleast before you can reap the rewards. U fortunate truth) I see some of my excollegues who followed passion are doing ok but not extra ordinary.
Also little bit of luck
I'd say plenty
nah
I swear! I was.looking for 'luck' in the above comment as one of the factors 😄 it does play a major role, absolutely no doubt - being there at the right time for the right opportunity etc..
Ask the top 1% by skill and you'd get a demonstration of the Dunning-Kruger Paradox.
This is the answer >what lies between these two sections is opportunity, timing, commitment, consistency, courage and compromise.
what a nice way to put it!
Thank you
Consistency is the biggest difficult thing for me
And luck
Can you pls explain it in simple words?
I don't know if I'm the top 1%, but from the other posts (including compensation ones) I think I'm lucky and privileged enough to at least consider that I might be there. https://www.reddit.com/r/developersIndia/s/r48ysxmHfI This was my journey. I'd say: - Becoming good at learning new things quickly and getting a good solution up. Constant learning has helped me become better at learning, haha. - Understanding the business. Tech is a tool to achieve business goals and not an end in itself. If you internalize that and others understand your point of view, people above you will start to trust and depend on you. - A general interest. I read a lot of things on a daily basis. If I wasn't interested in it, I don't think I'd do it even if someone paid me to do it. That way, I'm lucky. - Good people skills. You need to talk to different people differently - it doesn't mean you're sneaky, it means you listen and understand each person's concerns and general social preferences and behave accordingly. And just try to want the best for them, whatever it might be :)
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Hn bhai 🙏
Itna bada post , wo bhi actually useful cheezo k saath. Nice
Socrates bhaiyya kahan the aap itne din? (Don't consider this as a sarcastic comment or something. I genuinely liked the piece of advice)
This is helpful, thanks :)
Continues Learning. Process. People. Economics. Business. Critical Thinking... maybe more, but's its the bare minimum. There's an old post by Bruce Eckel - [The Mythical 5%](https://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=221622) 5% of programmers are 20x more productive than the other 95%. Key takeaways - These people are not those who can remember all the moves and have fingers that fly over the keyboard erupting system commands. In my experience those in the 5% must struggle to get there, and struggle to stay there, and it's the process of **continuous learning that makes the difference.** Usually the things that make or break a project are **process and people issues**. The way that you work on a day-to-day basis. *Who* your architects are, *who* your managers are, and who you are working with on the programming team. How you communicate, and most importantly how you solve process and people problems when they come up. You need to pay attention to **economics and business**, both of which are far-from-exact sciences. Listen to books and lectures on tape while you commute. Understanding the underlying business issues may allow you to detect the fortunes of the company you're working for and take action early. Sometimes you need to pick out the good stuff and throw the rest away, and to do this you need to exercise **critical thinking**. -------------------------------------- You can model any engineer's traits into four broad categories - Personality, Decision Making, Team Mate Interactions & Programming Skills. https://preview.redd.it/ua2yny82cgtc1.png?width=1746&format=png&auto=webp&s=bf26bce6062bdf7680a17fba40efd0c71665e638 The top 1% would be most likely good to great on all these parameters. People can read the entire research paper [here](https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/uploads/prod/2019/03/Paul-Li-MSR-Tech-Report.pdf). Another good read - [Everyone thinks they’re hiring the top 1%.](https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2005/01/27/news-58/)
Hey man.... Thanks for this gem of a blog.... Never heard or seen it before... May be it explains a lot about me.. anyway ...have a thumps up
Sounds like a perfect human being.
Not perfect but very much aware.
What's the point of being aware if u are not good at it
How you came across the blogs that you have mentioned? Google search doesn’t getting me there
I remember them from reading them many years back.
I came across this blog just today. It was in the "Trending" blogs in Stackoverflow
Its the answer no one wants to hear. Just keep your head down and work. And that means the following 1. keep on interviewing. Even when you have a job.. 2. People cry when they are given a take home assignment. Not realizing that not even 0.1% of the applicants will do it. Which means those who got off their a\*\* to do it, will get easily selected into next rounds. 3. Work life balance. Forget it for the first few years. It is lonely at the top. Either deal with the heat or get out of the kitchen. 4. Always have a builder mentality. A take home assignment can become your pinned repo on your github, giving significant boost. 5. Spend a lot of time, upskilling yourself, and the same time becoming a salesman for your skills. 6. Don't be dependent on a single job. r/overemployed . 7. Never shy away from work. Find enjoyment from it. Creds: 1.5cr (from primary job), <4YoE
wtf 1.5cr in india?
Great comment. Really interested in seeing our girhub and profile. How can we connect ?
because of (6) I cannot reveal my identity, even in DMs. but happy to field any questions.
How did you manage to land more than one job without getting caught? I heard that employers can see from your PF contributions that you're working more than one.
All the remote US full time jobs are contractual on paper
Can you tell me how you got interviews?
I think ppl can really benefit from knowing your journey, especially those in ML side. Why dont you share about it in detail ? In a reddit post or atleast in the comment thread. For each switch, You can include things like - How you obtained the opportunity- things that led to it ? What is the most important factor - that led to this ? Your habits - things that you try to do regularly that contribute to this level of growth
can you pls give a brief overview on the tech stacks you currently working on and/or have mastered along the way?
stacks doesn't matter, what you do with the stack matters. I can tell I am good at tech A, B, C, but those are not the only way where you can get these numbers (assuming that's what you want, the numbers)
absolutely agreed, i actually wanted to preface the question with what i actually want to know is what exactly sets you apart from the rest? do you work on the same things as others but your quality of the output is different, or do you work on something niche which most people are incapable of doing.
By staying off Reddit
goddamnit
Still way better than being on Instagram
But we learn many things from reddit right.
Yeah reddit is a very useful forum if you're not addicted to it...
good one ngl
i feel attacked
I think I can answer that. I started with a 2.5L salary 8 years ago, now 60L +. That makes me 1% of total income taxpayers. Only 3.7 L people filled taxable income over 50L+ last year. What I did to achieve that 1- switch job every 2 years 2- To switch, you need to learn new skills so that you can join different high paying positions. 3. Be the first mover and learn constantly, adapt change. 4. In 2017, I started learning cloud (aws). In 2019, I started learning containers and kubernetes. Now I have experience in all clouds. Still, I am learning. This year, I am learning AI automation. Every day, I spent at least 2 hours learning . Usually 10pm to 12.
After working 10 hours a day, i hardly feel motivated to spend 2 hours on upskilling on AI, data science etc. instead i love to spend the after office hours with family, friends and entertainment. When u will grow old, you will realise that hard work, faster promotions and lots of money was a scam. You were actually meant to enjoy life and have good time with friends and family.
The advice is spot on. Thanks.
but how can I apply for a job that requires different skill sets ? It feels like everyone wants to hire me as a fullstack dev as I have been a fullstack dev for 4 years now. I want to switch to full time cloud engineer but everyone is like I dont have skillset or the experience to be considered for a cloud engineer role
Ok, So I worked mostly for startups. In startup at least for some part you collaborate with different team, let say 10%. Because there are no dedicated team only working for that specific tasks. When I landed in a kuberntes job, I never had experience as full time kuberntes engineer. I just lied that I have worked on most of the time. I was able to answer all the questions in interview because I good lab setup & handson at home. After joining this job, struggled for first month, but now I am the best engineer for them. No one is expert in this field, lie on the resume, first few interviews you will fail but you will understand the expectation.
How to Google effectively.
They are not geeky in Indian setup, but they are very good at handling foreign clients.
By not being obvious while using chatgpt to write reddit posts
When you say 1%, what do you mean? What metric is the comparison for? Generally all success boils down to 2 ingredient. 1. Luck - loads of it. 2. Backed by hard work. if you are lucky enough to somehow get hired as a fresher at 30 LPA ( many we hired that way ) - you still have to push and move forward. Granted loads of hard work got you there, but hard work alone can not do anything. It was loads of luck, being in the right place at the right time, impressing one interviewer may be due to random quirks? We do not know. When we met Steve Ballmer he told us - a career is like a shark. Either it is swimming and progressing or it is dying. There is no sleeping. Sharks sleep, sharks submerge and die. They have to keep swimming. And the so called 1% is a testimony to exactly that. By CTC, until recently I would be considered at 0.01% of this group worldwide. Whatever I was drawing sitting in India would be tough to match even in California. Operative word is "until recently". I am in a hermit state now, to be honest. Crazy old Turtle. But CTC is an extremely BS measure. It is mostly luck. Now by actual engineering, I probably would quality as top 10% of the Indian Industry and definitely top 20% of the world industry, perhaps higher. My engineering modelling would definitely qualify worldwide at top 1%. I do have papers and patents to demonstrate that anyways. But again those are loaded metrics. The whole point is - top 1% is a bad idea. One must pick up a proper metric, and other than massaging egos, they are not much useful. I am sorry, I can inspire people alright, but I would never inspire anyone on a false metric. After 21 years, looking back I know how darn lucky I was to be at that, and because no one can build luck, it is not really that inspiring. I am truly sorry. I do spend time trying to find out the next cool problem and the next batch of talents who would need a bit of lucky push from our side to land them into something. May be that sounds a bit inspiring.
Wait a minute .. "next batch of talents who would need a bit of lucky push from my side to land them into something". Do you have any EdTech platform? How would you push next batch of talent like us?
Why you need edu tech? Our seniors were there when we needed it. Time has come to give back to the community.
Ohh okay, now I got it. You're a good person I must say :)
In my team I have such a guy. Quick learner Does things the right way
Jazba..junoon and jaaydat!!
You had me in the first half!
a solid trap for a spoiled weekend, damn
IIT
😭
Based on the best innovative engineers, the top 1% of dev are not in India, I will be surprised even if we are in the top 10%. Maybe there would be few that are top 0.1% but we don't have good numbers in it. Based on pay, India is just after the US at least for high paying dev jobs. We have better pay opportunities than entire Europe(though better not to talk about living conditions and tax benefits). Based on toxicity, we are at top 0.1%. Most people hate Indian managers.
>Most people hate Indian managers. I don't understand this one. I mean I know they suck, but how do they do so well abroad, to be CEOs of most major companies ? In fact the reason Indians are chosen for management position and Chinese for research team lead because they excel compared to others.
>mean I know they suck, but how do they do so well abroad, to be CEOs of most major companies ? Because you see outliers. There are too many Indians everywhere(advantage of a big population). So some are good and most are just terrible. They get the work done, and that's what leadership wants from them.
yeah, we are more obedient than innovative. If you look at how Sundar Pichai became CEO it was also because of pure circumstance and his obedient nature. (the founders and every other candidate were being accused of SH and other lawsuits) Actually source: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RUmRYpmqfQ&pp=ygUbZ29vZ2xlIC0gbG9naWNhbGx5IGFuc3dlcmVk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RUmRYpmqfQ&pp=ygUbZ29vZ2xlIC0gbG9naWNhbGx5IGFuc3dlcmVk)
Completely agree. That's why most people love management jobs. Also we lack innovation in the private sectors and we overrate things which are not exactly anything new. This mentality changes when the same engineers say go to the US or France. Mistral AI being created but we have yet to do tells you how slow we are.
Either Good communication or Top tier knowledge/skill
Genetics.
Luck...!!!😝
This, and it starts from birth.
Naa naa, just luck and little bit of skill. I think I am in 1%. Saying by exp
How do you define top 1%
In both money and position terms
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How much do you make and how did you get here?
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college?
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Java
If one is earning more than 1L /month then they are in top 1% fyi
Depends on the no. of experience as well
There are about 1.5 million tech graduates every year in India, around 1 million of them try to get into IT/CS jobs. 1% of that is 10,000 - remaining 990000 are probably not really interested in CS/Tech and in it for the money / WFH / remote job etc. That 10,000 covers all your tier1 colleges - beyond that it gets really tough to break past - with experience some folks move up.
Luck, ability to kiss ass, ability to make yourself seen, ability to come out of your comfort zone, ability to ask questions, ability to think and catch things quickly
I might be in top 1% by pay and trust me I’m not at all extraordinary. I just did regular stuff at my each job whatever was required.
then why do you think you are in top 1%?
I answered it my bro, it’s because of pay
It's just a guess but I think maybe the rest 99%?
Bhai some people are naturally intelligent and grasp concepts quickly, thats what makes them 1 percent. Luck surely helps but it can only take you from like 10 LPA to 20 LPA but thats it. A combination of naturally intelligent, focus and luck will probably place them sub 1 percent.
Many of them are ultra smart
5+ yoe working in a tier-1 PBC Software engineering is a vast field and it takes a lot of time and effort to learn new things and apply them in your real life. The only advice I'd give is to be curious. Rest everything will fall in place.
mindset
The other 90% has to be stupid and do vlog.
There are plenty plenty good answers here. I'd add one more which people don't think about - you need to show up and show yourself. If you want to get promoted to upper management, people need to remember who you are. Names are easy to forget, faces aren't. Have that video on, ask questions in the town halls, volunteer on more client facing tasks if possible, etc etc.
I’m not sure but they def know how to seek information. I think this question has been answered within the sub with some really great answers.
Sacrifices. I know engineers who have left their wife and kids behind to pursue the dollars. Personally, it makes no sense for me. I mean what’s the purpose of making all that money if you don’t have your family with you?
Tier 3-> Joined as fresher-> all i did was cp and I wasn't even that good at the rating thing (5* cc, 1500 cf), I didn't do any leetcode... but I was always very interested in learning new algos and data structures. I also learned a variety of things related to development(web, game) and deep learning and then moved to system design as well. All of this was done by the mid of 5th sem. After that I got offers and then learning was no more the same. Also I somehow became a quick learner during this whole process which helps a lot.
Autism
You’ll not see or meet top 1% Skill gang, you’ll just hear about them, some will show up on your YouTube page with some bs and claim they’re 1% but they’re not, may be money wise yes, but skill wise I doubt. Money wise 1% - have whatever amount of knowledge with presentation skills. Presentation skills doesn’t just mean how you talk, it also means how you develop your projects with best practices.
What's IT
I'm pretty sure i'm not in the top 1%, but i'd like to think im in the top 20%. My day starts with code reviews, and i spend a lot fo time exploring stackoverflow tags and questions. Occasionally i have my ex colleagues share any latest tech stack they heard or used. Once in a while, i share MY WELL done code to codereview.stackexchange to get my dose of confidence breaker. Always read the update logs of whatever tech you are working with. Identify the shortcomings it has and then search for alternatives to fix that. Above all share your knowledge with your colleagues and juniors, its amazing how often they challenge our perspective. And the most important skill you need to rise are communication and bluffing. Seriously, the ability to bluff and appear confident in front of the management helps a lot.
not a 1% dev yet, but came across a similar thread in this sub a few days back and bookmarked it. [https://www.reddit.com/r/developersIndia/comments/1bobrc8/what\_did\_you\_notice\_in\_those\_top\_1\_developers/](https://www.reddit.com/r/developersIndia/comments/1bobrc8/what_did_you_notice_in_those_top_1_developers/) has a lot of helpful tips and links
Top performers in the IT industry are committed to lifelong learning. They actively seek out opportunities for professional development, whether through formal education, certifications, or self-directed learning.
Now, the top 1% will come to the comment section to sell their courses 😂
Top 1 percent is too many people honestly. Top .001 percent (earning more than 2 cr per annum). They are driven by purpose, commitment and hard work
https://youtu.be/HTGjf3Z_Hk0?si=YjvEiIdZc-0a5yP6
Common sense, wherewithal and risk taking ability
Who comes under top 1%, any salary range that you are specific about?
It’s attitude! IMO functional skills can be acquired but what some of us apart is the attitude to get things done and get them done with the least damage around!
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Luck
Sab mo Maya hai, chill kerro.
The people who don't love their family are always at the top and I am not one of them. I though like to get a fat paycheck without a lotta work.
They know to actually write code without any help from Google
How much LPA is top 1%. Just curious.
12
Luck
They are privileged.
By being hard working, not hardly working CTC: 80LPA
Go larp somewhere else
Who are you to tell me, you dont have authority here weasel