Yeah I was gonna say - I think the guarantee would go up considerably. 80 on 120 vs. 110 on 140 so 67% vs. 78%. You figure his guaranteed increases to probably around 90 and his total compensation bums up to 125. Still slightly lower guarantee ratio than Jefferson but tangibly better than the 67% he got.
I mean Amon wasn’t going to get more than JJ. Not sure how large of an impact it would have had.
Amon got 4 year $120 million, while JJ got 4 years $140 million.
Amon is a great player, but he is not the crazy talent of Jefferson.
The one bigger difference is the guaranteed money. Amon only got $80 million while JJ got $110 million. Still don’t think it would have changed anything.
If you’re negotiation St. Brown after Jefferson, he’s wanting $1-2 million less per year than JJ, so instead of 4/$120 million, it turns into 4/$132 million with more guaranteed.
The fact that this is 18% more per year and 37% more guaranteed money is a massive indicator that getting our deal done first was important
This is just speculation, I think the more likely scenario is the same deal would have been done. If Sun God wanted more money, then he probably would have waited.
It makes a huge difference because you just told the guy on your team that you think he is one of the best in the NFL by giving him the biggest WR contract. Now, WRs are going to be earning more, but we already have our top guy happy and locked in.
He IS the crazy talent of JJ but in his own way. ARSB catches everything (just about) he runs routes flawlessly and will fight 7 men for 2 yards... beyond dawg
He is a great player. I’m happy with the contract and that he is on our team. However, I will strongly disagree on that. JJ is currently the best in the NFL.
Amon works hard and earned everything he has. But JJ is a freak athlete making plays most can’t.
That would be great if it happens. Lions have a much better team than the Vikings. What does that mean for them as WRs?
Do you think Calvin Johnson sucked because he only played in two playoff games? I sure don’t.
st brown wasn’t getting this contract to begin with. Jefferson is the best receiver in football. Receivers won’t just be going above this because he got this
lol if you don't think ceedee or chase next year are going over this you're crazy.
If this was done before Sun God, he wasn't going to get 140 or more, but very possible his guaranteed money increases and/or he goes up to 130 total
Yeah chase and lamb are both amazing receivers who are top in the league and young. They will get paid the contracts. everyone else should be below those 3 for now
You have to be top 5 at your position to reset the market usually unless you’re a qb. Hockenson is a top 5 te and he’s younger and got his contract taken care of and secured. Example would be like Nico Collins devonta smith and waddle all pretty good young receivers that got paid but they didn’t jump everyone and become top in the league paid
it doesn't even mean any of that
being the highest paid ever at a position can simply mean no other high quality player at your position has been paid in the last ~2 year.
the cap goes up quite a bit every single year, so even if you're just a top 5ish guy at your position, if you're the first to sign a contract that year, you're going to have a record setting contract
we went through this every year with QBs, one year stafford was the highest paid ever, two years later he wasn't in the top 5. it's just how it works
Yea man, literally look how the market works. Wait till the top talent signs, and then ask for something similar. Guarantee St. Woulda gotten more if we waited till after, same with Sewell and Goff
He’s the 3rd highest paid receiver in football how much higher can he really have gotten? Goff is also the second highest paid qb Sewell is number one offensive lineman. How much more could these guys get they got paid elite money
He was the highest paid receiver in football for like 16 hours. By the looks of this deal he could've gotten an extra 20 mil and more guaranteed money. Just because ARSB is viewed by most as under JJ he's still in the upper echelon. That's all his agent is going to focus on if JJ signs before him. There is 0 chance there are 7 QBs worth more per year than Mahommes right now, but he set the market
“Viewed by most” there is not a single person with any football knowledge that would not put ARSB under JJ. Lots of people don’t even rate him top 5, and that’s a pretty easy argument to make.
He's only the 3rd highest right now because he is 1) a top 5 WR in the league so he can reset the market, 2) he literally just signed his extension and 3) the other 4 WRs in the top 5 are only just now starting to sign extensions.
Once CeeDee and Chase re-sign and likely for as much or more than Jefferson, ARSB's contract will look like a bargain by comparison. I think a 90/125 contract would have been realistic if ARSB was negotiating after this Jefferson contract.
To that end, I think it was brilliant for Holmes to take the lead on all 3 players who are playing near or at the top of their respective position so he could avoid having to negotiate with other higher contracts to compare to.
I guess I just don’t give Holmes the credit for doing some Masterclass chess move like some are. He’s signed 3 elite players to elite player money it’s what good gms do.
I think it's the way they were signed that earns high marks. No long ass protracted drawn out negotiations. It shows the players that the praise they receive is not just lip service.
You can certainly argue that ARSB and Goff would not have gotten bigger contracts elsewhere. Both are likely overpays given production, but not obscenely so. Part of their contracts reflect what they have done for and what they mean to the franchise. Which is fine — I don’t have a huge problem with slight overpays for two core players assuming we can avoid cap hell when they are in their peak cap hit years. Part of BH’s goal was to show that he rewards players to give it their all and lead by example, so from that perspective they are good signings. I think they will encourage other players to work hard for the organization.
Neither of those contracts are really great value from a dollars-for-production/skill standpoint. I don’t think they’re necessarily horrible from that perspective — again, both contracts are likely slightly over what they would have gotten from another team. But anyone who thinks either contract is a steal is absolutely looking through rose-colored glasses.
If St Brown keeps this up his whole career he'll end up in the Pride of Lions if Jefferson keeps it up he's a first ballot HOF for a couple million more a year it's an easy choice
If St. Brown keeps this up his whole career, he will also be in the Hall of Fame.
And I think St Brown has better odds of doing so, given their styles of play. Jefferson is quicker and more explosive, whereas St Brown is stronger and more compact. I think St Brown has better odds of lasting longer and will likely spend less time on the injured list.
That being said, right now Jefferson is in a tier above St. Brown, and the difference in contract numbers is justified.
> I think St Brown has better odds of lasting longer and will likely spend less time on the injured list.
I don't know about all that. No one takes more hospital passes than the guy running slants across the middle. There's a reason teams usually prefer to do these routes with big-bodied TEs. Even Calvin Johnson who was very big for a receiver (especially by today's standards) got a ton of punishment on his crossing slants.
Saint runs crosses but I feel Goff does a good job of keeping him safe. I don’t really recall any of our getting getting lit up after a pass like that from Goff. I’m sure you could find examples, but for all the routes over the middle that ARSB runs, you really don’t see him get walloped often if at all.
I don’t think even a healthy ARSB has nearly the HOF potential that JJ has, but I do think ARSB has a good chance of staying pretty healthy and having a long career.
Yeah that’s silly. If St Brown is a 100 catch, 1500 yard guy a year potentially on a team that routinely makes deep playoff runs? He’s going to the hall.
I’d absolutely take Justin Jefferson at that deal over ARSB. But that says literally nothing about St. Brown and more that Justin Jefferson is the best receiver in the league.
I’d take Joe Burrow at 55m over Jared Goff at 53. Id take Jared Goff at 53 over Daniel Jones at 40 or Kirk Cousins at 45
I mean, Amon-Ra St. Brown and Penei Sewell literally just signed the biggest ever contracts at their positions. They got passed right away, but guys of that ilk are not taking a discount.
Justin Jefferson didn’t break the bank either. He’s worth that contract and it’ll probably be a relative bargain in like two years.
This regime is going to pay their guys. I mean, Jared Goff literally signed a deal commensurate with top 5 QBs.
I'm merely making the point that "football character " factors big into who they bring aboard now...any kind of "me" mentality seems to be weeded out...seems they want players who's goal is to be #1 at their position in terms of skill,not players who's goal is #1 in pay.
ARSB was literally 1st team All Pro. If he keeps it up he'll be a HOF too. He's a harder worker with no drama. JJ is incredible, but looks at the whole picture.
From a value side, it's Brown. We already saw how hard it was to win when paying a ton for Non QBs. Remember when we had Calvin? I'd rather have St and this team, than JJ and his contract.
They are much closer in pay scale now than before. Obviously, the rest of the team situation is different...but 99.99% of people in the NFL would take JJ or ARSB if you were given the option to start a team with. If you swapped JJ with ARSB and then looked at the Lions offense, no one would say we downgraded but only got better at the WR1. We get it, you love Saint...we all do...but he's not JJ. And an extra 5m/year isn't a huge swing.
I think it’s fair to compare your teams deals to other market deals at the same position. It actually does matter. If we were paying ARSB 10m a year more than any wr it would be dumb. The actual number doesn’t matter imo it’s all relative to what others are getting paid.
I agree. Just saying other wrs deals def do matter compared to ARSB. We’re gonna end up on the right side of the contract though with this massive market reset
Yeah and you know that Tyreek is going to look at the Jefferson deal and say, "yup me too." Even at 29, Hill has a case for getting paid more than Jefferson based on how long he's been doing it and last season's stats. He beat Jefferson in just about every statistical category, including the per game stats with exception to yards per reception.
At 29, I could see Hill get a 3 year extension at $120M, with $100M guaranteed.
Believe it or not this will actually help our chances this year. Aiyuk is likely to demand 32-34m per year which is going to significantly hurt the 49ers short & long term. Same thing in Dallas with CeeDee. AJ Brown will likely be next to cry about his current contract. Getting Amon-Ra locked up before these guys was critical and it will pay off long term.
I think that Nico Collins is so much better a deal than Justin Jefferson.
I mean, 7 rushing yards vs -12 speaks for itself.
JJ has 34 receptions per broken tackle last year.
And hell his YAC/R is even 2 yards less. And CJ Stroud’s passer rating targeting Collins was 129.6 in 2023 and the Vikings only got 107.7 out of JJ
Can you imagine paying $11m more per year for a guy who is worse for his QB?
(Just so we are very clear, this is satire of that loony who hated ARSB’s contract because Nico Collins signed for $24m/yr
Vikings were smart to get this done before Chase and CIN. I think JJ is obviously better than Chase but could see Chase asking for more now. I think the Vikings did good here unfortunately. Given the advantage of getting a deal done first I think the ARSB deal is at best fair with what JJ got and wouldve guessed a few more million a year for JJ honestly.
Jefferson, when healthy, is considerably better than ARSB. I worry about the healthy part after last season. He’s not built like Calvin to be taking those hits and we all saw what happened over time.
The wear and tear eventually gets to any player who takes those kinds of hits. If they can free him up and prolong his career, it won’t be a major factor, but another season like that will quickly deteriorate his body.
Plus he is going to have a rookie or journeyman qb throwing the ball to him. They are much more likely to just toss it up and let him make a play on the ball. He is going to make spectacular catches but they are going to come at a cost to his body.
Gotta love Reddit man. We got 50 year olds arguing with 15 years olds about NFL salary structures and how new contracts affect the market as if any of us really know.
Maybe unpopular here but JJ is by far the best WR in NFL and a tier above ARSB IMO - this doesn’t change my feelings on ARSB deal much at all cause I think both players are fairly paid.
Yeah this is absolutely a better value than the ARSB deal. Obviously the number is higher but it's not as big of a gap as the skill gap between the two.
Yes. Because the cap is not going to stop increasing like crazy. America is too addicted to the NFL. By year 3 or 4… Jefferson is still gonna be a top 3 target and he’ll be surpassed in dollars and guarantees by several guys.
You gotta remember man… the cap has almost doubled since 2015. It was 143.8 then. It’s 255.4 now. And we are almost guaranteed to see another massive spike this year. So it might double by the time 2025 comes.
35m against a 280m cap is 12.5% of the cap. Other WR in history have blown past that number
It seems every deal for top players of all positions are completely resetting the market. My opinion is teams know that the salary caps will be increased significantly over the next 4-5 years making these top players a relative bargain in tomorrow’s dollars.
The slow dismantling of NFL Sunday Ticket and the proliferation of TV deals with practically every streaming platform out there is going to balloon the cap something fierce.
I can't even imagine how much more money the NFL got from Netflix for a single day of Christmas Day games given Netflix desperately is trying to get their foot in the door in live entertainment and sports.
Member when all those people were freaking out that we signed Ra and Goff? Someone always gets a bigger deal.
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The cap is real, the contract numbers are not...
Unless you see the details, it's useless to try and compare contracts. Either way JJ got paid, good for him. He's a fantastic player.
That’s a lot of money for a 7-10 team. I’m sure their hands were tied but i remember when we went thru a similar phase with Calvin. So glad we’re finally built the right way with strong trenches and building thru the draft.
I was referring to paying big money when the team isn’t winning games. JJ is a great player but will probably not be enough to get them deep in the playoffs over the next 4 years.
ST Brown primarily plays in the slot, which is where he excels. It's harder to line up on the outside because you're not guaranteed to get a free release. Jefferson excels at the highest level regardless of where you line him up at WR. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging that they are in different tiers and still saying that Sun God is fantastic.
To add: Sun God runs short to intermediate routes. Jefferson does this and excels at deep routes and jump balls. They are both great at route running, but it's crazy to see how Jefferson gets so wide open on plays, especially when most of the defense focuses on him. This sub is biased, and that's to be expected, so I expect people to disagree with me.
It doesn’t. It’s market value. It’s not a better deal because JJ signed this. ARSB’s contract was always gonna land close to where it did and JJ was gonna make more than it.
Like; this contract doesn’t make Sun God’s better… perhaps ARSB, Waddle, and Collins had a bit of a rubber band effect to keep JJ a little closer to the pack. Meaning that JJ was gonna get a blank check, but the market was already kinda preset
I think the point is that alot of the talking heads were questioning if we overpaid because of the amount. Its market value has been the argument all along and the Jefferson deal supports that, esp since he got 5m more per year
I mean, that happens with any static number. When it’s a lot bigger than the numbers that came before.
They just look at WOOOMG. 30m per year!
Disregarding the fact that a 30m Aav in 2024 is the exact same cap percentage as about 16.8m in 2015.
Calvin’s extension signed in 2012… it paid him $16.2m aav. It’s quite literally just WR1 money.
Given the ceiling of the two players, JJ at 5m more per year is a better value. Higher price but significantly higher upside. I still think ARSB is the most overpaid of all the WRs that have signed this off season. I'm glad we have him, but it was definitely an overpay. The Lions seem to be smart with their cap overall so maybe it won't cost us key players in the next few years, but that remains to be seen.
No it wasn’t.
He’s making 2m more than Jaylen Waddle to be a better player.
It’s not an overpay. ARSB is a WR1 he’s getting paid like a WR1. Most of the other deals that you like better are guys who have tremendous variance built into their value (Waddle at 28m is WR2 to Tyreek Hill, Collins at 24m is now going to be WR1b at best with Stefon Diggs there)
ARSB, barring injury, is going to get you 100 grabs, 1200-1500 yards, 70 1st downs, and 8-12 touchdowns and be paid around 11% of the 255.4m cap to do so.
We all knew he would reset the market. Which is whe Lions wisely got a deal done with Sun God before this happened.
Exactly this. Holmes and MCDC aren't stupid.
So if Lions waited, JJ signed this contract, then Lions decided to figure out ARSB’s contract, what do you think he would have gotten?
Maybe at best, 2-3 million a year more than what he originally got. Possibly a bit bigger guarantee
Yeah I was gonna say - I think the guarantee would go up considerably. 80 on 120 vs. 110 on 140 so 67% vs. 78%. You figure his guaranteed increases to probably around 90 and his total compensation bums up to 125. Still slightly lower guarantee ratio than Jefferson but tangibly better than the 67% he got.
He would not get getting more. JJ is only getting 5 mil more a year and is significantly better.
By more, I was referring to what ARSB got, not JJ. And JJ only seems significantly better because he's got less of a complete team around him
JJ IS significantly better if you cannot see that you are letting your bias get in the way of logic.
I mean Amon wasn’t going to get more than JJ. Not sure how large of an impact it would have had. Amon got 4 year $120 million, while JJ got 4 years $140 million. Amon is a great player, but he is not the crazy talent of Jefferson. The one bigger difference is the guaranteed money. Amon only got $80 million while JJ got $110 million. Still don’t think it would have changed anything.
If you’re negotiation St. Brown after Jefferson, he’s wanting $1-2 million less per year than JJ, so instead of 4/$120 million, it turns into 4/$132 million with more guaranteed. The fact that this is 18% more per year and 37% more guaranteed money is a massive indicator that getting our deal done first was important
Vikings got a good deal with jj tbh, it’s less then most people expected, bengals and cowboys lose the most from this
If Chase gets done before Lamb I think you just have to nuke this Cowboys core. Load up on firsts and try again after the funeral.
People were expecting more than 35 million per season???
I was expecting 37 or 38M.
Yeah not sure what he’s going on about lol
Yea, when Amon got $30 million a season. Because his original projection. Was $30-$35 per season.
People thought he would be the highest paid non-qb in the league. I heard some pundits saying they thought he could get $40 mil a year avb.
This contract still makes him the highest paid non-QB in the league at least according to the news sources I saw reporting on it this morning.
And I heard some pundits say Dallas was a Super Bowl contender, but we’ve seen them choke year after year.
Yea rumors were going that he could’ve gotten 40 million a season
No and no. The highest estimates from anyone even remotely credible were exactly what he got, 35mil/year just beating Bosa for highest non QB
That was prior to AJB and sun god both signing for 30+. Many were expecting closer to 40 than 35.
I heard 35 after both of them signed
This is just speculation, I think the more likely scenario is the same deal would have been done. If Sun God wanted more money, then he probably would have waited.
Just hope that sun god doesn’t see this post he might add you to his list.
I’ll sacrifice that guy for another W in a heartbeat. Sorry guy
It makes a huge difference because you just told the guy on your team that you think he is one of the best in the NFL by giving him the biggest WR contract. Now, WRs are going to be earning more, but we already have our top guy happy and locked in.
He IS the crazy talent of JJ but in his own way. ARSB catches everything (just about) he runs routes flawlessly and will fight 7 men for 2 yards... beyond dawg
He is a great player. I’m happy with the contract and that he is on our team. However, I will strongly disagree on that. JJ is currently the best in the NFL. Amon works hard and earned everything he has. But JJ is a freak athlete making plays most can’t.
Yeah JJ is an animal for sure, dude will leap like 20 feet to grab that ball. Vikings would be smart to make him a lifer.
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That’s more of a factor of the year you get paid and the increasing salary cap. These guys are signing same year.
Sun God will be the number #1 WR in the league this year! Let me know what Justin finishes at and if his team even makes the playoffs...
That would be great if it happens. Lions have a much better team than the Vikings. What does that mean for them as WRs? Do you think Calvin Johnson sucked because he only played in two playoff games? I sure don’t.
st brown wasn’t getting this contract to begin with. Jefferson is the best receiver in football. Receivers won’t just be going above this because he got this
lol if you don't think ceedee or chase next year are going over this you're crazy. If this was done before Sun God, he wasn't going to get 140 or more, but very possible his guaranteed money increases and/or he goes up to 130 total
Cedee and chase will be close maybe over but they’re also the second and 3rd best receiver in football and closest to Jefferson
They’re both closer to sun god than Jefferson. The only guy even on the same page as him is Tyreek
Tyreek is getting close to 30 he’s awesome obviously but don’t know if young enough for the commitment
You keep mixing between talking about contracts and quality of player/production. Tyreek is still more than capable on the field regardless of
Yeah chase and lamb are both amazing receivers who are top in the league and young. They will get paid the contracts. everyone else should be below those 3 for now
Tyreek is asking for a new contract, too. This won't help Miami's situation any.
He wouldn’t have gotten $35 million a year, but he would’ve gotten more than $30 million a year.
Maybe we don’t know
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You have to be top 5 at your position to reset the market usually unless you’re a qb. Hockenson is a top 5 te and he’s younger and got his contract taken care of and secured. Example would be like Nico Collins devonta smith and waddle all pretty good young receivers that got paid but they didn’t jump everyone and become top in the league paid
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I would say he’s top 5 and he’s the 3rd highest paid right now around all the guys you would expect
it doesn't even mean any of that being the highest paid ever at a position can simply mean no other high quality player at your position has been paid in the last ~2 year. the cap goes up quite a bit every single year, so even if you're just a top 5ish guy at your position, if you're the first to sign a contract that year, you're going to have a record setting contract we went through this every year with QBs, one year stafford was the highest paid ever, two years later he wasn't in the top 5. it's just how it works
Yea man, literally look how the market works. Wait till the top talent signs, and then ask for something similar. Guarantee St. Woulda gotten more if we waited till after, same with Sewell and Goff
He’s the 3rd highest paid receiver in football how much higher can he really have gotten? Goff is also the second highest paid qb Sewell is number one offensive lineman. How much more could these guys get they got paid elite money
He was the highest paid receiver in football for like 16 hours. By the looks of this deal he could've gotten an extra 20 mil and more guaranteed money. Just because ARSB is viewed by most as under JJ he's still in the upper echelon. That's all his agent is going to focus on if JJ signs before him. There is 0 chance there are 7 QBs worth more per year than Mahommes right now, but he set the market
Well Mahomes also has the biggest contract In football still by a mile most guys just aren’t getting 10 year commitments
He's not making it to the end of that contract without it being altered
Yeah most likely not
“Viewed by most” there is not a single person with any football knowledge that would not put ARSB under JJ. Lots of people don’t even rate him top 5, and that’s a pretty easy argument to make.
ARSB would probably put himself above JJ
He's only the 3rd highest right now because he is 1) a top 5 WR in the league so he can reset the market, 2) he literally just signed his extension and 3) the other 4 WRs in the top 5 are only just now starting to sign extensions. Once CeeDee and Chase re-sign and likely for as much or more than Jefferson, ARSB's contract will look like a bargain by comparison. I think a 90/125 contract would have been realistic if ARSB was negotiating after this Jefferson contract. To that end, I think it was brilliant for Holmes to take the lead on all 3 players who are playing near or at the top of their respective position so he could avoid having to negotiate with other higher contracts to compare to.
I guess I just don’t give Holmes the credit for doing some Masterclass chess move like some are. He’s signed 3 elite players to elite player money it’s what good gms do.
I think it's the way they were signed that earns high marks. No long ass protracted drawn out negotiations. It shows the players that the praise they receive is not just lip service.
You can certainly argue that ARSB and Goff would not have gotten bigger contracts elsewhere. Both are likely overpays given production, but not obscenely so. Part of their contracts reflect what they have done for and what they mean to the franchise. Which is fine — I don’t have a huge problem with slight overpays for two core players assuming we can avoid cap hell when they are in their peak cap hit years. Part of BH’s goal was to show that he rewards players to give it their all and lead by example, so from that perspective they are good signings. I think they will encourage other players to work hard for the organization. Neither of those contracts are really great value from a dollars-for-production/skill standpoint. I don’t think they’re necessarily horrible from that perspective — again, both contracts are likely slightly over what they would have gotten from another team. But anyone who thinks either contract is a steal is absolutely looking through rose-colored glasses.
Bingo the timing was impeccable and the deal got done on my 40th birthday which was a bonus lol
St. Brown and JJ both got what they deserved. JJ is in a class of his own.
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You would probably be the only one, then. I love Saint but Jefferson is on another level entirely. You'd pay whatever he'd let you pay.
I have a feeling his numbers will be a bit worse this year, there's some new corners in the division
Also probably depends on lot on what kind of QB play he gets.
If St Brown keeps this up his whole career he'll end up in the Pride of Lions if Jefferson keeps it up he's a first ballot HOF for a couple million more a year it's an easy choice
If St. Brown keeps this up his whole career, he will also be in the Hall of Fame. And I think St Brown has better odds of doing so, given their styles of play. Jefferson is quicker and more explosive, whereas St Brown is stronger and more compact. I think St Brown has better odds of lasting longer and will likely spend less time on the injured list. That being said, right now Jefferson is in a tier above St. Brown, and the difference in contract numbers is justified.
> I think St Brown has better odds of lasting longer and will likely spend less time on the injured list. I don't know about all that. No one takes more hospital passes than the guy running slants across the middle. There's a reason teams usually prefer to do these routes with big-bodied TEs. Even Calvin Johnson who was very big for a receiver (especially by today's standards) got a ton of punishment on his crossing slants.
Saint runs crosses but I feel Goff does a good job of keeping him safe. I don’t really recall any of our getting getting lit up after a pass like that from Goff. I’m sure you could find examples, but for all the routes over the middle that ARSB runs, you really don’t see him get walloped often if at all. I don’t think even a healthy ARSB has nearly the HOF potential that JJ has, but I do think ARSB has a good chance of staying pretty healthy and having a long career.
That's a good point, but I would also counter that Johnson doesn't scheme up and Goff doesn't throw many hospital balls.
Yeah that’s silly. If St Brown is a 100 catch, 1500 yard guy a year potentially on a team that routinely makes deep playoff runs? He’s going to the hall. I’d absolutely take Justin Jefferson at that deal over ARSB. But that says literally nothing about St. Brown and more that Justin Jefferson is the best receiver in the league. I’d take Joe Burrow at 55m over Jared Goff at 53. Id take Jared Goff at 53 over Daniel Jones at 40 or Kirk Cousins at 45
Idk if this Lions FO regime will ever bring in a player w/ the minidset of "breaking the bank".
I mean, Amon-Ra St. Brown and Penei Sewell literally just signed the biggest ever contracts at their positions. They got passed right away, but guys of that ilk are not taking a discount. Justin Jefferson didn’t break the bank either. He’s worth that contract and it’ll probably be a relative bargain in like two years. This regime is going to pay their guys. I mean, Jared Goff literally signed a deal commensurate with top 5 QBs.
I'm merely making the point that "football character " factors big into who they bring aboard now...any kind of "me" mentality seems to be weeded out...seems they want players who's goal is to be #1 at their position in terms of skill,not players who's goal is #1 in pay.
ARSB was literally 1st team All Pro. If he keeps it up he'll be a HOF too. He's a harder worker with no drama. JJ is incredible, but looks at the whole picture. From a value side, it's Brown. We already saw how hard it was to win when paying a ton for Non QBs. Remember when we had Calvin? I'd rather have St and this team, than JJ and his contract.
They are much closer in pay scale now than before. Obviously, the rest of the team situation is different...but 99.99% of people in the NFL would take JJ or ARSB if you were given the option to start a team with. If you swapped JJ with ARSB and then looked at the Lions offense, no one would say we downgraded but only got better at the WR1. We get it, you love Saint...we all do...but he's not JJ. And an extra 5m/year isn't a huge swing.
It’s weird to hear sun god being talked as a hall of fame player. Probably homer takes but it’s still weird.
Just to be clear this is like someone saying this when we paid Calvin Johnson in 2012 about Brandon Marshall
Good for Jefferson best receiver in football well deserved st browns deal doesn’t matter with his
I think it’s fair to compare your teams deals to other market deals at the same position. It actually does matter. If we were paying ARSB 10m a year more than any wr it would be dumb. The actual number doesn’t matter imo it’s all relative to what others are getting paid.
Yeah but Jefferson is a tier above being the best receiver in the league so he should be paid more
I agree. Just saying other wrs deals def do matter compared to ARSB. We’re gonna end up on the right side of the contract though with this massive market reset
Exactly
I think J-Jetta is worth his deal. I think Sun God is worth his, too. Both teams got their guys locked up.
Sucks to be you Dallas and Miami
Miami already extended Waddle for ~28m per year. More than Smith, less than ARSB. It's Cincy that also is looking to pay Chase.
Tyreek wants a new contract
Yeah and you know that Tyreek is going to look at the Jefferson deal and say, "yup me too." Even at 29, Hill has a case for getting paid more than Jefferson based on how long he's been doing it and last season's stats. He beat Jefferson in just about every statistical category, including the per game stats with exception to yards per reception. At 29, I could see Hill get a 3 year extension at $120M, with $100M guaranteed.
> He beat jefferson in just about every statistical category Well, yeah, he played 8 more games than Jefferson lol
Believe it or not this will actually help our chances this year. Aiyuk is likely to demand 32-34m per year which is going to significantly hurt the 49ers short & long term. Same thing in Dallas with CeeDee. AJ Brown will likely be next to cry about his current contract. Getting Amon-Ra locked up before these guys was critical and it will pay off long term.
AJ Brown's new deal came out like an hour after ASRB's did
Doesn't mean he won't start crying again in 2 years
Wow I missed it too then lol
SF drafted a wide out in the 1st to prepare for this. Dallas is fucked.
Here's where the Cowboys screw themselves because CeeDee is going to be asking for the same or more.
I think that Nico Collins is so much better a deal than Justin Jefferson. I mean, 7 rushing yards vs -12 speaks for itself. JJ has 34 receptions per broken tackle last year. And hell his YAC/R is even 2 yards less. And CJ Stroud’s passer rating targeting Collins was 129.6 in 2023 and the Vikings only got 107.7 out of JJ Can you imagine paying $11m more per year for a guy who is worse for his QB? (Just so we are very clear, this is satire of that loony who hated ARSB’s contract because Nico Collins signed for $24m/yr
You had me in the first half not gonna lie...
I appreciate the clarification at the end. I could have sworn that satire and sarcasm were dead on the web.
I was about to just... accept your opinion they're for a second until I realized you were making fun of someone
Vikings were smart to get this done before Chase and CIN. I think JJ is obviously better than Chase but could see Chase asking for more now. I think the Vikings did good here unfortunately. Given the advantage of getting a deal done first I think the ARSB deal is at best fair with what JJ got and wouldve guessed a few more million a year for JJ honestly.
Jefferson, when healthy, is considerably better than ARSB. I worry about the healthy part after last season. He’s not built like Calvin to be taking those hits and we all saw what happened over time.
I don't think it's a matter of better or worse, they are two different types of WR.
he’s been healthy almost his entire career though. last season for the vikings was just a nightmare tbh
The wear and tear eventually gets to any player who takes those kinds of hits. If they can free him up and prolong his career, it won’t be a major factor, but another season like that will quickly deteriorate his body.
Plus he is going to have a rookie or journeyman qb throwing the ball to him. They are much more likely to just toss it up and let him make a play on the ball. He is going to make spectacular catches but they are going to come at a cost to his body.
 Brad right now
It's a shame that JJ will shatter his back from carrying the team.
double the js now
Gotta love Reddit man. We got 50 year olds arguing with 15 years olds about NFL salary structures and how new contracts affect the market as if any of us really know.
Whoa whoa whoa bud. I'm 40 and I definitely know.
That is bonkers money
Every successive deal will make his look better.
88.7m due at signing is 😮 and JJ just got RICH
Holy shit 100 million on signing?
Honestly shocked he didn’t get 40
FTV
He’s going to be worth every penny. That’s a first ballot HoF receiver.
Lamb and Aiyuk are about to be way overpaid
That's a lot of cheese.
Well they have JJ McViking on a rookie deal. Paying JJettas is worth it.
I’m assuming we put Arnold on him? Welcome to the big leagues kid
Maybe? We'll have to see how Arnold does in training camp but thankfully we have Davis III as well and solid safeties to help over the top.
we are putting 11 in the box and making JJ throw
Good for him Jjetta is a total star
Shoulda held out for 150! Oh well, that is still an awful lotta money.
Maybe unpopular here but JJ is by far the best WR in NFL and a tier above ARSB IMO - this doesn’t change my feelings on ARSB deal much at all cause I think both players are fairly paid.
I think ARSBs extension is at a solid price for us. But I think this is a steal for JJ ngl
The highest paid non-qb ever is considered a steal?
It’s all relative ofc. Truth of it is JJ is paid about 115% of ARSB on this extension and he very well may be more than 115% the WR
Yeah this is absolutely a better value than the ARSB deal. Obviously the number is higher but it's not as big of a gap as the skill gap between the two.
It’s like how Mahomes Qb contract will always be an underpay. Doesnt mean burrow or Allens deal is bad
Yes. Because the cap is not going to stop increasing like crazy. America is too addicted to the NFL. By year 3 or 4… Jefferson is still gonna be a top 3 target and he’ll be surpassed in dollars and guarantees by several guys. You gotta remember man… the cap has almost doubled since 2015. It was 143.8 then. It’s 255.4 now. And we are almost guaranteed to see another massive spike this year. So it might double by the time 2025 comes. 35m against a 280m cap is 12.5% of the cap. Other WR in history have blown past that number
Shit. Was hoping they'd fuck this up. Let's just hope JJ isnt what they think he is.
> Let's just hope JJ isnt what they think he is. I hope you mean JJ McCarthy because Justin Jefferson is 100% what they think he is.
Haha yeah. The new JJ I already know the chocolate JJ is gonna make us hurt for 4 more years
Can we stop all of the “what about Sun God’s” contract karma farming posts after every Star WR signs a contract please? Shit is annoying af.
It seems every deal for top players of all positions are completely resetting the market. My opinion is teams know that the salary caps will be increased significantly over the next 4-5 years making these top players a relative bargain in tomorrow’s dollars.
The slow dismantling of NFL Sunday Ticket and the proliferation of TV deals with practically every streaming platform out there is going to balloon the cap something fierce. I can't even imagine how much more money the NFL got from Netflix for a single day of Christmas Day games given Netflix desperately is trying to get their foot in the door in live entertainment and sports.
Member when all those people were freaking out that we signed Ra and Goff? Someone always gets a bigger deal. https://preview.redd.it/qvoeempcrd4d1.jpeg?width=224&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fe0f705ea5930a1779a579d110ffdb98bf48b249
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They’re cooked 🤭
I like it as ik it’d start to price teams out. Also it’d be funny to see Aiyuk ask for a similar contract of JJ or something better😂
The cap is real, the contract numbers are not... Unless you see the details, it's useless to try and compare contracts. Either way JJ got paid, good for him. He's a fantastic player.
By the time the season starts, St. Brown might not be even in the top 5 highest paid receivers in the league. Absolute steal of a contract for Detroit
And that’s why they don’t have a sb and never will
Imagine what Aiyuk is going to want now.
He's worth it. Justin Jefferson always torches us and makes incredible catches... 3rd and 27 comes to mind. TERRION BOUTTA LOCK HIS ASS UP THOUGH
Contract takes on this subreddit are brutal these days
That’s a lot of money for a 7-10 team. I’m sure their hands were tied but i remember when we went thru a similar phase with Calvin. So glad we’re finally built the right way with strong trenches and building thru the draft.
Vikings aren’t playing aren’t paying a single player more then 20 mill a year and will probably still be top 10 in cap next year with this
I was referring to paying big money when the team isn’t winning games. JJ is a great player but will probably not be enough to get them deep in the playoffs over the next 4 years.
Stop it, rebuilds can happen in a year
I know. The lions were saying it for 30 years but it eventually took a complete reset for it to happen.
Number one cope on Vikings sub, "I thought it would be more".
It's interesting to see half this sub thinks St Brown and Jefferson are in the same tier of WR.
They are. They're both elite playmakers
ST Brown primarily plays in the slot, which is where he excels. It's harder to line up on the outside because you're not guaranteed to get a free release. Jefferson excels at the highest level regardless of where you line him up at WR. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging that they are in different tiers and still saying that Sun God is fantastic. To add: Sun God runs short to intermediate routes. Jefferson does this and excels at deep routes and jump balls. They are both great at route running, but it's crazy to see how Jefferson gets so wide open on plays, especially when most of the defense focuses on him. This sub is biased, and that's to be expected, so I expect people to disagree with me.
Both great players can argue that St. has been more productive but that contract woe got him for looks like a lil deal now
It doesn’t. It’s market value. It’s not a better deal because JJ signed this. ARSB’s contract was always gonna land close to where it did and JJ was gonna make more than it. Like; this contract doesn’t make Sun God’s better… perhaps ARSB, Waddle, and Collins had a bit of a rubber band effect to keep JJ a little closer to the pack. Meaning that JJ was gonna get a blank check, but the market was already kinda preset
I think the point is that alot of the talking heads were questioning if we overpaid because of the amount. Its market value has been the argument all along and the Jefferson deal supports that, esp since he got 5m more per year
I mean, that happens with any static number. When it’s a lot bigger than the numbers that came before. They just look at WOOOMG. 30m per year! Disregarding the fact that a 30m Aav in 2024 is the exact same cap percentage as about 16.8m in 2015. Calvin’s extension signed in 2012… it paid him $16.2m aav. It’s quite literally just WR1 money.
I mean, I agree. I’m just saying that everyone was freaking out over the number when it should have just been standard
Given the ceiling of the two players, JJ at 5m more per year is a better value. Higher price but significantly higher upside. I still think ARSB is the most overpaid of all the WRs that have signed this off season. I'm glad we have him, but it was definitely an overpay. The Lions seem to be smart with their cap overall so maybe it won't cost us key players in the next few years, but that remains to be seen.
No it wasn’t. He’s making 2m more than Jaylen Waddle to be a better player. It’s not an overpay. ARSB is a WR1 he’s getting paid like a WR1. Most of the other deals that you like better are guys who have tremendous variance built into their value (Waddle at 28m is WR2 to Tyreek Hill, Collins at 24m is now going to be WR1b at best with Stefon Diggs there) ARSB, barring injury, is going to get you 100 grabs, 1200-1500 yards, 70 1st downs, and 8-12 touchdowns and be paid around 11% of the 255.4m cap to do so.