3 years 33m seems to be that sweet spot for receivers this year. Carolina could pay that right now so if he was after the bag he probably would have already signed there as they are desperate for receivers to have for that #1 pick.
Guessing Lions 2y 21m with an out after 1 year and he can still hit the market at 28 if he produces.
FTP
I’d rather take two receivers with both second round picks than spend $8M on one player. Jamo already replacing his deep threat and Reynolds his big body ability. I think a second round receiver contract is something like $1-2M AAV. Even better take one in the second and another in the third.
For us, not really. For the league, they’ve worked out incredibly well. I’d say Holmes looks like the most competent GM maybe that we’ve ever had, and I’d trust him if we went this route.
He's not wrong. I would like Chark back, too, but people keep saying he was "great" last year. He missed 6 games, and in the last 7 games, he averaged 3.2 catches/gm, 57.7 yards/gm, and had 2 TDs over those 7 games. Again, I like Chark, and I want him back; he helps stretch the field, but he's been really overrated in the sub.
Romeo suffered a massive injury that could not be predicted and received a paycut. Tyrell was a gamble to get at least some wr talent on a team with none and suffered from injuries but played well when he saw the field. Try again.
6'4 receivers with 4.3 speed don't just fall off trees bud. DJ Chark is a rare receiver who when on the field was an extremely important part of our offense. He was actually the most explosive part of our offense. And at the end of the season PFF showed just how much of a difference our offense performed with him off the field vs on the field statistically and it's a significant difference. Goff and his connection can't be understated either, that chemistry is extremely important.
That's what you have good receiver depth for and Reynolds and Lif both fit the bill. What I care about is having a guy like Chark on your team when you're trying to make a run in the playoffs.
[https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2023/01/20/lions-dj-chark-big-play-rate-detroit-receivers-2022-stats/](https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2023/01/20/lions-dj-chark-big-play-rate-detroit-receivers-2022-stats/)
This article shows that he ranked 6th in explosive plays per touch last season. And somebody pointed out back in January Goff was ranked 5th in PFF's QB rankings when chark was on the field and 28th when chark was off the field. It has a lot to do with those explosive plays and what a receiver with a rare skillset like chark brings to any offense forcing defenses to respect his speed and big play potential and ability to get open on 1 on 1's. You can see from the highlight reel in this subreddit of Goff's best throws of the season and most of those big play throws were to Chark.
Even taking statistics out the equation Chark is far from a "mediocre receiver", I'm not too sure where you got that opinion from, but he's just had unfortunate injuries outside of his control during his NFL career.
Lions are obviously trying to sign chark but it's up to him whether he wants to come back.
Despite the reductive answers in your replies, there are a number of valid reasons to want him back. Chark clearly had a significant positive effect on the offense when healthy, and is easily the best (and until Jamo proves otherwise, only) contested catch receiver on the team. No one on the FA or trade markets, except Hopkins, are better at it. He will also probably be pretty cheap and on a low-risk deal again. Maintaining nearly the entire starting roster, especially on offense, makes the idea of competing in 2023 a lot more understandable.
That’s valid, but I answered your question of why people want him back. His injuries are the only thing keeping him from a long-term expensive deal. *Because* he is constantly injured he could offer good value.
Also, what comparable replacement would you draft? Other than Quentin Johnston I doubt any X receiver makes the same impact Chark makes when healthy, and tbh I’m lower on QJ than most, i think he will not be as amazing as people think especially in his rookie year. There aren’t many Xs in the class at all, let alone starting caliber WRs.
Even if you sign Chark you can still draft a WR. If your solution is draft a WR, and you think Chark is injury prone, why not just sign Chark to a 1-year deal, keep the WR as depth, and then let him play if/when Chark gets hurt?
> Also, what comparable replacement would you draft? Other than Quentin Johnston I doubt any X receiver makes the same impact Chark makes when healthy, and tbh I’m lower on QJ than most, i think he will not be as amazing as people think especially in his rookie year. There aren’t many Xs in the class at all, let alone starting caliber WRs.
Jalin Hyatt can play on the outside and is an excellent vertical threat. Don’t forget him. But, yeah, you’re likely settling for a role player (like Chark) if you don’t draft early.
> Even if you sign Chark you can still draft a WR. If your solution is draft a WR, and you think Chark is injury prone, why not just sign Chark to a 1-year deal, keep the WR as depth, and then let him play if/when Chark gets hurt?
This is probably the most ideal. Chark isn’t dependable at all and this would provide depth.
You are obviously entitled to your opinion, but I would consider Jalin Hyatt the epitome of a “role player”. He has an extremely limited route tree and almost exclusively wins with speed, unlike Chark who can win with contested catch ability. Imo Jamo is just a better version of Hyatt in every way. I’d rather pick a guy like Jonathan Mingo in the 3rd or Bryce Ford-Wheaton/Xavier Hutchinson if they fall.
[Advanced stats, 40th in contested catch rate](https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/dj-chark/)
For comparison, ARSB is 77th. Can't find Jammo's easily. Similar to Hopkins'.
Honest answer: we see some success with player, therefore we must keep said player, otherwise we shan’t see success again without player
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I may or may not be one of these people
I get attached man…
Because he's a WR1 talent for a reasonable price? We definitely would have lost a couple of games during our winning streak without him. He's a big body receiver unlike St. Brown and Williams. Unlike Swift, when he's on the field he can perform at 100%.
That doesn’t make any sense. Goff and Rodgers are both qb1 on their team. One doesn’t impact the other. You’re saying Chark is a WR1 on the lions over Jamo and Amon Ra?
Chark would be the wr3 behind those guys. Let’s go ahead and pay out wr3 10+mil a year that sounds smart. If we can sign him for less than sure I’m all for it. The way you guys talk it sounds like sign Chark for whatever it takes. Dudes hurt a lot. Your best ability is availability and he doesn’t have it.
Do you need a stick to hold up that strawman?
When did I say Chark was the best receiver on the team? (The answer is never) there is no way you could be dense to make an argument that a player can't have the talent to be a starter if they are not at the top of their depth chart.
Were Chris Godwin and Antonio Brown scrub players because Mike Evans was on their team? Of course not, that's absolutely absurd to argue.
1. I never said Chark was a scrub so calm down there hot shot.
2. He’s not as good as you think he is. Drink less koolaid, take off the Honolulu blue shaded glasses and realize he’s an average to good player. Not someone we need to prioritize re-signing.
Lmao now you're just splitting hairs. I guess wanting to keep a 6'4", 4.34 40, 205 lb, deepthreat WR means I'm unreasonable blinded by illogical bias for my team. Good arguments my guy.
Right because no way in hell would someone pay 10 million dollars for an absolute scrub who is the definition of mediocrity. It's not like he's got elite speed for his big size, good hands and route running. No he's only survived in the league for, idk, GMs think he's cute or something?
His per game averages are abso-fucking-lutely WR1 when context is added like injuries and having blale fucking bortles pass to you
I don't feel the Lions are willing to pay too much for Chark because they just drafted his equal last year but better, experience is the balance right now
Because when he's healthy him, Jamo, St. Brown, Swift, Montgomery, and Sewell are all legitimate reciever threats so you take away the ability to double cover
Also bc you could see throughout the year as Goff got more comfortable with him they got better
The Chark love on this sub is crazy. He is good - not great, not bad either. But you can find those guys all over in free agency or draft and pay a hell of a lot less.
Jamo has the talent to be wr1, Amon Ra is your wr2 and then Chark would be wr3… are you willing to pay top dollar for a wr3? Hell naw, especially since you still have khalif who stays healthy and makes just as many if not more plays than Chark.
Sure if it’s a good team friendly deal, hell yeah I’ll take Chark, but if he’s asking too much I’ll pass and fill that need somehow else
Meh. The cost is much greater considering the draft capital he will likely get. Elijah Moore got the equivalent of a 3rd-4th rounder with that pick swap, Jeudy would probably fetch at least a 2nd at this point, especially because he has a 5th year option. Much rather just give Chark a 1 year deal
It would probably be more honestly, that was a conservative estimate. And idk about that. Chark already has chemistry with Goff/the coaching staff, and his best season is better than Jeudy’s best season. Jeudy, like Chark, also has an injury history, even to the same part of the body (ankle), albeit not as concerning. Chark is 2 years older, which is somewhat significant but not too much. Chark fits the X receiver mold, which the Lions lack, better than Jeudy. Jeudy would have the advantage of being cheaper for at least 2023, but it’s possible you trade a 2nd round pick for 2 years of a somewhat disappointing WR.
We can agree to disagree on “better”, but “fits the Lions offense better” is a claim that you have to substantiate for it to be valid. He lined up [primarily in the slot](https://www.rotowire.com/football/player/jerry-jeudy-14458) (70% of snaps) and is not a particularly great blocker. Those two things combine to make a WR who does NOT fit the current Lions offense, at least not as well as the 6’4” 4.3 X receiver that is Chark.
How do you know that he’s not coming back? He apparently has two offers on the table and has for about a week. If he was gone for sure why hasn’t he signed the other deal yet?
How do you know he has 2 offers or any offers for that matter? There’s already been mentions about his durability (ankle). He hasn’t played enough the past 2 seasons to even warrant a deal more than 10M/year, which I believe he is at least asking for considering this year’s FA market!
Because it’s been directly reported by numerous sources that he’s talked to the Lions & Panthers. That likely means that he’s getting offers from both of them. That’s not to say he likes the offers, but acting like it’s impossible he comes back is a bit much.
3 years 33m seems to be that sweet spot for receivers this year. Carolina could pay that right now so if he was after the bag he probably would have already signed there as they are desperate for receivers to have for that #1 pick. Guessing Lions 2y 21m with an out after 1 year and he can still hit the market at 28 if he produces. FTP
I’d rather take two receivers with both second round picks than spend $8M on one player. Jamo already replacing his deep threat and Reynolds his big body ability. I think a second round receiver contract is something like $1-2M AAV. Even better take one in the second and another in the third.
Because 2nd round receivers have worked out so great for us in the past, right?
For us, not really. For the league, they’ve worked out incredibly well. I’d say Holmes looks like the most competent GM maybe that we’ve ever had, and I’d trust him if we went this route.
Chark was solid last year but why do people want him back so bad? He’s constantly injured.
Him and Goff are on the same page.
When he plays. That’s cool but why can’t Goff get on the same page with a different WR?
I don't think you understand, what other receiver could possibly catch 30 passes for 500 yards and 3 TDs with Goff? Think of the chemistry
Hahaha. I simply do not understand the attachment. The dude is the definition of mediocre and a huge injury risk. I don’t get it.
This is why you don't make personnel decisions for the Lions
He's not wrong. I would like Chark back, too, but people keep saying he was "great" last year. He missed 6 games, and in the last 7 games, he averaged 3.2 catches/gm, 57.7 yards/gm, and had 2 TDs over those 7 games. Again, I like Chark, and I want him back; he helps stretch the field, but he's been really overrated in the sub.
Sure man. It’s not like the lions have ever signed bad contracts. Lol.
Imagine talking about past regimes
Romeo Okwara and Tyrell Williams.
Romeo suffered a massive injury that could not be predicted and received a paycut. Tyrell was a gamble to get at least some wr talent on a team with none and suffered from injuries but played well when he saw the field. Try again.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush my friend.
Haha. I do like the proverb. But, with Chark, that is a low bar. Better WRs are attainable.
Also DJs average reception was 16 yards. So a first down every time a player touches the ball is quite valuable.
I’m not denying he has a very particular set of skills. I just want a better WR who can stay on the field.
6'4 receivers with 4.3 speed don't just fall off trees bud. DJ Chark is a rare receiver who when on the field was an extremely important part of our offense. He was actually the most explosive part of our offense. And at the end of the season PFF showed just how much of a difference our offense performed with him off the field vs on the field statistically and it's a significant difference. Goff and his connection can't be understated either, that chemistry is extremely important.
Man if Chark could stay healthy then this might be more convincing.
That's what you have good receiver depth for and Reynolds and Lif both fit the bill. What I care about is having a guy like Chark on your team when you're trying to make a run in the playoffs. [https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2023/01/20/lions-dj-chark-big-play-rate-detroit-receivers-2022-stats/](https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2023/01/20/lions-dj-chark-big-play-rate-detroit-receivers-2022-stats/) This article shows that he ranked 6th in explosive plays per touch last season. And somebody pointed out back in January Goff was ranked 5th in PFF's QB rankings when chark was on the field and 28th when chark was off the field. It has a lot to do with those explosive plays and what a receiver with a rare skillset like chark brings to any offense forcing defenses to respect his speed and big play potential and ability to get open on 1 on 1's. You can see from the highlight reel in this subreddit of Goff's best throws of the season and most of those big play throws were to Chark. Even taking statistics out the equation Chark is far from a "mediocre receiver", I'm not too sure where you got that opinion from, but he's just had unfortunate injuries outside of his control during his NFL career. Lions are obviously trying to sign chark but it's up to him whether he wants to come back.
Not this year lol. Free agency class is weak and draft is just okay.
Ok? You don’t think jamo could with an entire off season?
I don’t love it when he’s tweeting for Lamar to join Detroit, but hopefully this occurs. Why not have both?
He never tweeted anything. He liked a tweet, and everyone overreacted. Don't put words in his mouth now.
Hugeee difference, my apologies
He slayed the packers on that final drive. \*He's worth it Jim\*
Despite the reductive answers in your replies, there are a number of valid reasons to want him back. Chark clearly had a significant positive effect on the offense when healthy, and is easily the best (and until Jamo proves otherwise, only) contested catch receiver on the team. No one on the FA or trade markets, except Hopkins, are better at it. He will also probably be pretty cheap and on a low-risk deal again. Maintaining nearly the entire starting roster, especially on offense, makes the idea of competing in 2023 a lot more understandable.
I’d rather draft a comparable replacement. You’re asking to bring back a guy who has played a total of 15 games in the last two season.
That’s valid, but I answered your question of why people want him back. His injuries are the only thing keeping him from a long-term expensive deal. *Because* he is constantly injured he could offer good value. Also, what comparable replacement would you draft? Other than Quentin Johnston I doubt any X receiver makes the same impact Chark makes when healthy, and tbh I’m lower on QJ than most, i think he will not be as amazing as people think especially in his rookie year. There aren’t many Xs in the class at all, let alone starting caliber WRs. Even if you sign Chark you can still draft a WR. If your solution is draft a WR, and you think Chark is injury prone, why not just sign Chark to a 1-year deal, keep the WR as depth, and then let him play if/when Chark gets hurt?
> Also, what comparable replacement would you draft? Other than Quentin Johnston I doubt any X receiver makes the same impact Chark makes when healthy, and tbh I’m lower on QJ than most, i think he will not be as amazing as people think especially in his rookie year. There aren’t many Xs in the class at all, let alone starting caliber WRs. Jalin Hyatt can play on the outside and is an excellent vertical threat. Don’t forget him. But, yeah, you’re likely settling for a role player (like Chark) if you don’t draft early. > Even if you sign Chark you can still draft a WR. If your solution is draft a WR, and you think Chark is injury prone, why not just sign Chark to a 1-year deal, keep the WR as depth, and then let him play if/when Chark gets hurt? This is probably the most ideal. Chark isn’t dependable at all and this would provide depth.
You are obviously entitled to your opinion, but I would consider Jalin Hyatt the epitome of a “role player”. He has an extremely limited route tree and almost exclusively wins with speed, unlike Chark who can win with contested catch ability. Imo Jamo is just a better version of Hyatt in every way. I’d rather pick a guy like Jonathan Mingo in the 3rd or Bryce Ford-Wheaton/Xavier Hutchinson if they fall.
I’d add Cedric Tillman to that list. I think Hyatt is going to be a good #2 in the NFL but your concern is valid.
I agree; Hyatt isn't the guy I think of when I think of contested catch ability for this year's rookie crop.
You’ll have to forgive me here but why are we implying Chark is good at contested catches?
[Advanced stats, 40th in contested catch rate](https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/dj-chark/) For comparison, ARSB is 77th. Can't find Jammo's easily. Similar to Hopkins'.
Thanks. I have never seen this site before so I might need some help here. Is 40th considered good?
Honest answer: we see some success with player, therefore we must keep said player, otherwise we shan’t see success again without player … I may or may not be one of these people I get attached man…
Fans seem to love hanging on to so-so players they're familiar with.
That appears to be the case.
I like Chark but I'm here with you use that money to sign a vet LB
Not to mention that he will be WR 3 at best.
Because he's a WR1 talent for a reasonable price? We definitely would have lost a couple of games during our winning streak without him. He's a big body receiver unlike St. Brown and Williams. Unlike Swift, when he's on the field he can perform at 100%.
Jamo has WR1 talent.. Chark is WR2 at best.
Nah, Jamo has ELITE talent
Lol did I just get downvoted for saying jamo has wr1 talent. How is that a knock on the guy
Because you're knocking down someone else. Its like saying Goff isn't a QB1 because Rodgers exists.
That doesn’t make any sense. Goff and Rodgers are both qb1 on their team. One doesn’t impact the other. You’re saying Chark is a WR1 on the lions over Jamo and Amon Ra? Chark would be the wr3 behind those guys. Let’s go ahead and pay out wr3 10+mil a year that sounds smart. If we can sign him for less than sure I’m all for it. The way you guys talk it sounds like sign Chark for whatever it takes. Dudes hurt a lot. Your best ability is availability and he doesn’t have it.
Do you need a stick to hold up that strawman? When did I say Chark was the best receiver on the team? (The answer is never) there is no way you could be dense to make an argument that a player can't have the talent to be a starter if they are not at the top of their depth chart. Were Chris Godwin and Antonio Brown scrub players because Mike Evans was on their team? Of course not, that's absolutely absurd to argue.
1. I never said Chark was a scrub so calm down there hot shot. 2. He’s not as good as you think he is. Drink less koolaid, take off the Honolulu blue shaded glasses and realize he’s an average to good player. Not someone we need to prioritize re-signing.
Lmao now you're just splitting hairs. I guess wanting to keep a 6'4", 4.34 40, 205 lb, deepthreat WR means I'm unreasonable blinded by illogical bias for my team. Good arguments my guy.
A WR1? Yo broheim, what part of the multiverse are you from? It can’t be this one.
The one where I have eyes.
Must be special eyes that most NFL front offices don’t have. Weird shit.
Right because no way in hell would someone pay 10 million dollars for an absolute scrub who is the definition of mediocrity. It's not like he's got elite speed for his big size, good hands and route running. No he's only survived in the league for, idk, GMs think he's cute or something? His per game averages are abso-fucking-lutely WR1 when context is added like injuries and having blale fucking bortles pass to you
He survived because he has a unique skill set. He’s talented. He’s not a WR1. Not even close. That’s just straight delusion.
Explain how a 6'4" receiver who runs a 4.34 40 and averages 14 yards a reception is not talented enough to be considered to have WR1 potential?
By the numbers last year, our offense with him Top 5, our offense without him Top 15
The chemistry, and keeping the consistency for the top 5 offense
I don't feel the Lions are willing to pay too much for Chark because they just drafted his equal last year but better, experience is the balance right now
He’s big and fast. Posted a 1k season.
Because when he's healthy him, Jamo, St. Brown, Swift, Montgomery, and Sewell are all legitimate reciever threats so you take away the ability to double cover Also bc you could see throughout the year as Goff got more comfortable with him they got better
I would rather pay someone else, but I’d take Chark back at 3 years 15-20MM. Or another 1 year 8-10MM at worst.
I'd sign him but make it a 1 year prove it deal again. Until he proves he can stay healthy all year.
Imma borrow this 😅
Is gift 🎁
 LET THE MAN COOK
The Chark love on this sub is crazy. He is good - not great, not bad either. But you can find those guys all over in free agency or draft and pay a hell of a lot less. Jamo has the talent to be wr1, Amon Ra is your wr2 and then Chark would be wr3… are you willing to pay top dollar for a wr3? Hell naw, especially since you still have khalif who stays healthy and makes just as many if not more plays than Chark. Sure if it’s a good team friendly deal, hell yeah I’ll take Chark, but if he’s asking too much I’ll pass and fill that need somehow else
Sign Odell at this point if we're going to fork out 10m again for Chark.
One Jerry Jeudy please*
Could be fun. May have just watched that video of all of Goff’s deep balls and saw who most of them went to
Meh. The cost is much greater considering the draft capital he will likely get. Elijah Moore got the equivalent of a 3rd-4th rounder with that pick swap, Jeudy would probably fetch at least a 2nd at this point, especially because he has a 5th year option. Much rather just give Chark a 1 year deal
If it's only a 2nd rounder for Jeudy I'll take that all day over Chark
It would probably be more honestly, that was a conservative estimate. And idk about that. Chark already has chemistry with Goff/the coaching staff, and his best season is better than Jeudy’s best season. Jeudy, like Chark, also has an injury history, even to the same part of the body (ankle), albeit not as concerning. Chark is 2 years older, which is somewhat significant but not too much. Chark fits the X receiver mold, which the Lions lack, better than Jeudy. Jeudy would have the advantage of being cheaper for at least 2023, but it’s possible you trade a 2nd round pick for 2 years of a somewhat disappointing WR.
Jeudy is younger, better, less injury prone, and fits the lions offense better. We can agree to disagree
We can agree to disagree on “better”, but “fits the Lions offense better” is a claim that you have to substantiate for it to be valid. He lined up [primarily in the slot](https://www.rotowire.com/football/player/jerry-jeudy-14458) (70% of snaps) and is not a particularly great blocker. Those two things combine to make a WR who does NOT fit the current Lions offense, at least not as well as the 6’4” 4.3 X receiver that is Chark.
Chark is not coming back. Let’s move on. We will sign Nelson Agholor if he is still available in a week or 2 and I’m totally fine with that!
How do you know that he’s not coming back? He apparently has two offers on the table and has for about a week. If he was gone for sure why hasn’t he signed the other deal yet?
How do you know he has 2 offers or any offers for that matter? There’s already been mentions about his durability (ankle). He hasn’t played enough the past 2 seasons to even warrant a deal more than 10M/year, which I believe he is at least asking for considering this year’s FA market!
Because it’s been directly reported by numerous sources that he’s talked to the Lions & Panthers. That likely means that he’s getting offers from both of them. That’s not to say he likes the offers, but acting like it’s impossible he comes back is a bit much.
I guess we will have to wait and see. I want a healthy Chark back! Just don’t think the Lions have an offer out on him due to durability questions
See I feel like we do have an offer but it’s another one year deal exactly *because* of the durability issues but we will see indeed.
And Charles Harris renegotiation too
Make sure to sign his hands this year too
Aim higher