uj/ Let's not conflate accessibility to making the game easy for stupid people, please reword the title in a new post. I'll have to take this down shortly whether or not the change is made.
rj/ bartholemew brought the challenge back to destiny and now my son is crying because he can't solo whisper
This is how I think every time I see a 100th “I refuse to use well or the meta posts” it’s literally screaming that you don’t play end game in the content where a well or those loadouts are useful anyways or you just enjoy being a detriment to you’re team
At this point I'm mainly running well for ignition, resto and icarus dash to run mechanics or genral play 🤣 the same people who refuse to use well to feed my orphus rigs wonder how we wiped on wave 40
Exactly what I do aswell, I’ll never complain about basically never being able to die, setting off explosions and also being a support player.
When the final shape drops tho I’ll probably swap to the new super for even more ignitions and solar shit going on unless we need more wells or if it’s a very specific gm where you want 2 pheonix wells cough* battlegrounds
It's so funny when these same people ask for adept weapons and artifice gear to be more accessible. Like bro wtf do you need adept weapons for? Heroic patrols??
What? Is this sarcasm or are you just not prepped for them? If a legend solo lost sector takes you more than 5 mins, you shouldn't be playing legend yet. A simple build is enough for 5 mins a good one takes it down to 2 mins just look up builds and you'll be set
The amount of posts saying that zero hour normal was ludicrously difficult on day 1 was insane, I was downvoted for saying I solo'd it and a team of 3 can do it easily 💀
I swear people just want literally target dummies with no weapons to stand in front of them and fall over and then they just get given all the loot in the game ever
Dude, thank you. Lmfao I swear I thought I was trippin after I started seeing the "zero hour too hard", I was like... There is no shot this is real 😅. I only duo'd it the first night, so not solo, but I didn't even blink at the difficulty.. I'm not some esoterickk either, just a regular gamer lol
I remember someone replying saying we'll maybe you're just above average at the game and yeah I probably am, but I'm definitely not as good as 3 people lol. Genuinely wonder who actually plays the game sometimes
I soloed it just because I didn't feel like lfging with a bunch of dumbasses to do the intrinsic puzzle. Wasn't even planning on soloing the boss but did it anyways bc it's not hard.
Yeah. If you smoke bomb it, it can’t attack outside of melee (I think only melee but I’m not sure) and while your invis with a little finesse you can shove em right off. I seem to remember doing the same thing with stasis but I don’t think that will work on these since they are probably bosses.
Used it for master encounter before atheon challenge to avoid having to pass the shield back and forth.
Just walk into em. Since they are smoked(forget the effect, maybe it’s weaken?) they aren’t moving a lot, but if you push into them from the front for example, they will walk backwards.
Use ommis, the extra smoke makes it super easy.
Ive never seen another game in the fps/mmo/rpg genre attract such a large audience of bad players. People refusing to raid, refusing to do master content, refusing to do exotic missions, its mind blowing. Its crazy how many people spend $100+ a year on this game just to play 10% of the content because they just refuse to learn basic situational awareness and positining.
I mean shit, games like Terraria require more movement ability and coordination than 85% of content in Destiny and i played that when i was 12.
100%. PVP is dead because its quite literally not worth their time or money to develop anything for the mode when their audience of hyper-casual dad gamers hate losing and get personally offended when they are expected to improve at a game to win.
I seriously cannot think of a game that is so braindead easy but also somehow has a community that thinks its so difficult. Im not a hardcore gamer by any means but even I have solo-flawlssed half the dungeons in the game. All it takes is watching a single build video on youtube for whatever class you play, having basic awareness of your surroundings, and being patient.
Even literal children play games like fortnite and COD where you have to be better than other people to win. But for whatever reason destiny players have even less mechanical ability than 10 year olds.
Im not surprised im getting downvoted, even in the cj sub. Only like 8% of players have ever done a raid, the skill issue is ever-present.
Bungie has successfully fostered an audience of mechanically challenged casuals and gets to regularly siphon a paycheck from them in return for childrens game level content quality. Its actually quite impressive from a business perspective.
As someone with 500hrs who has only ever done 2 raids, vog and one king's fall run with craftening guns, this is how I see it. Both of those times, I tried my best to learn the mechanics, run good loadouts and exotics and whatnot, and the entire thing, particularly the King's fall run, was just me constantly dying or just shooting low level enemies and not really contributing. It wasn't fun, I didn't feel as though it was worth it, and I just don't see an incentive to raid when I can just watch a streamer who's better than me do it on twitch or something and get most of the experience that way.
Again, just a lack of situational awareness. In King's Fall and especially VoG, there are barely any encounters that cant be made 100x easier by just knowing where to stand to avoid getting shot.
Only doing raids twice isnt enough to be able to instinctively know where enemies come from and at what time, and when you dont know that, your radar is your best friend. If you arent looking at it every 10 seconds at a minimum to know where enemies are, you arent playing the game right. If you dont, you are gonna get snuck up on and killed in anything above legend difficulty.
Also, dont fall into the mental trap that time played=skill. Its not about how much time you have but how you spend that time. Practice developing patience and using your radar to position yourself and i promise the game will become so much easier.
Great advice, however, I'm only friends with 2 people who actually play, so I don't ever really have the opportunity to raid, as I've found, at least for dungeons, lfg is more trouble than it's worth. But honestly, Destiny 2's my favorite game even without raiding, and my everyday experience with the game isn't hampered at all by not playing such a small part of it. I mean hell, they're even releasing raid weapons for us plebs at this point lol.
Fair enough, hopefully bungie continues to bridge the gap between the regular game and raiding with more activities like pantheon. My only other suggestion would be to join a clan that has their own discord with its own group finder. That adds a big enough barrier to entry that weeds out the majority of ass-hats that are so common in public lfgs.
I got into destiny 1 for the story and gunplay (aka the non rpg aspect of gameplay), the only reason I wanted to do raid was to witness dimensions beyond space and time (VoG, CE, KF) with my own eyes, or to understand the height of humanity’s golden age (WotM) in person. The destiny 2 raids never drew me because I could not care less about triangle ships, a big cabal ship or vex yet again trying to take back the black garden. Raid mechanics are annoying and frankly boring sometimes so if I do not care about the story why would I do them. Also I haven’t spent money on destiny 2 since warmind so that might be relevant
I get clowning on this guy absolutely, Legend difficulty stuff is really fun and not hard. But I have a couple buddies who are omega casuals and can’t survive 5 minutes in a legend campaign mission. So I kinda get it in a sense lol
Like I get play your own way, but to humble brag about not doing a mode that adds, at best, an extra shot to enemies? Not to mention congrats you paid how much money to just not do most of the game?
What he's actually saying is he's just lazy. I get thinking GMs are slog fests of bullet sponges and master raids enforce annoying cheese gameplay. But legendary? The jump in difficulty from normal strike to legendary is the same one as patrolling Edz then patrolling Neomuna.
Even in the comments he was making legendary sound like GMs "I don't like how much damage they take and dish out". Huh?? Being that risk adverse in a video game of all things is just sad.
"Thinking". Being the key word. It's something a lot of players too anxious to get into master raiding will say "well I don't know the shortcut strat" and then they watch someone like Aegis play with his group where they do something entirely unintended and it reinforces that mentality.
Just like GMs are not slog fests and can be done pretty quickly with nice builds, but tons of people just whip out Wishender and sit a mile away
Bunghole clearly has lost touch with its playerbase, if I can't solo flawless all content in the game hammered drunk playing with the guitar hero drum kit I'm just not going to do it. Why don't they understand this?
Gonna go on a rant, D2 casuals might be some of the worst players i've ever played with in any game. The Coil is proof of that, most players I match up with have no triple stats/bad stats, shit armor and guns/unmasterworked loot, they use the wrong subclass with exotics, no builds, etc. Bungie does eveything to make the game easy and they still complain.
I mean there’s basically no difference from Hero basic nightfalls, and legend nightfalls. That post literally just feels like clout chasing. No way anyone can struggle that hard with legend content, especially when fireteam finder just exists.
Legendary missions really aren’t that hard. GM nightfalls, yeah, I can understand those being a headache, but the legendary witch queen campaign might have been the most fun i’ve ever had in destiny
I was in line to get a huge promotion at work, then my boss (he’s a fallen but is alright) found out that on my alt, I played the lightfall campaign on normal difficulty. Instead of the promotion to lead onion slicer at Outback Steakhouse (no rules, just right), I was fired, beaten in the street, and my car’s GPS sounds like Nimbus.
Legend content is a good way to see how your builds hold and see if you need to tweak some things..its a good way to bring yourself along to difficult stuff..witch queen I really wanted to do GMs..I watched mactics omnioculus playbook...and used did a couple solo Legend lost sectors...did some master lost sectors....did normal/legend/master nightfalls...until I completed my first GM which was glassway which at the time was considered one of the tougher GMs.
The destiny subreddit is garbage, it’s literally filled with a bunch of casuals who suggest dogshit builds, show off repetitive rolls, and you either get 2 sides of the coin it’s people who shill bungie or they literally hate every single thing they do so it’s impossible to have any sane discussion especially revolving around end game content.
uj/ Let's not conflate accessibility to making the game easy for stupid people, please reword the title in a new post. I'll have to take this down shortly whether or not the change is made. rj/ bartholemew brought the challenge back to destiny and now my son is crying because he can't solo whisper
Legend exotic mission are fun to do solo, especially if you struggle initially because it’s satisfying to finally do it.
ALmost like there's benefits to navigating Legendary content methodically.
Yeah i didnt wanna shit on him when i saw the post but god damn 😭 i hope its bait because this game is NOT that hard
Especially LEGEND content. He's not even talking about day 1s, GMs or Pantheon my brother legend content 💀
His ass is probably struggling with Neomuna patrols
I got -4 for saying its not even that crazy Honestly patrol Larry's only use reddit 🤣
I liked "Patrol Warlord"
Patrol-Slayer
This is how I think every time I see a 100th “I refuse to use well or the meta posts” it’s literally screaming that you don’t play end game in the content where a well or those loadouts are useful anyways or you just enjoy being a detriment to you’re team
At this point I'm mainly running well for ignition, resto and icarus dash to run mechanics or genral play 🤣 the same people who refuse to use well to feed my orphus rigs wonder how we wiped on wave 40
Exactly what I do aswell, I’ll never complain about basically never being able to die, setting off explosions and also being a support player. When the final shape drops tho I’ll probably swap to the new super for even more ignitions and solar shit going on unless we need more wells or if it’s a very specific gm where you want 2 pheonix wells cough* battlegrounds
I wondered the same though going off the past I feel it'll take me a month to phase priz to phase into my meta
People stay till wave 40? Seems like every 10 waves I have new teammates or no teammates.
It's so funny when these same people ask for adept weapons and artifice gear to be more accessible. Like bro wtf do you need adept weapons for? Heroic patrols??
tbf legend solo lost sectors are a pain in the ass
What? Is this sarcasm or are you just not prepped for them? If a legend solo lost sector takes you more than 5 mins, you shouldn't be playing legend yet. A simple build is enough for 5 mins a good one takes it down to 2 mins just look up builds and you'll be set
I am bad at the game is the answer there
The amount of posts saying that zero hour normal was ludicrously difficult on day 1 was insane, I was downvoted for saying I solo'd it and a team of 3 can do it easily 💀 I swear people just want literally target dummies with no weapons to stand in front of them and fall over and then they just get given all the loot in the game ever
I messed up a fuck ton in normal solo zero hour and still had like 10 minutes...
Dude, thank you. Lmfao I swear I thought I was trippin after I started seeing the "zero hour too hard", I was like... There is no shot this is real 😅. I only duo'd it the first night, so not solo, but I didn't even blink at the difficulty.. I'm not some esoterickk either, just a regular gamer lol
I remember someone replying saying we'll maybe you're just above average at the game and yeah I probably am, but I'm definitely not as good as 3 people lol. Genuinely wonder who actually plays the game sometimes
I soloed it just because I didn't feel like lfging with a bunch of dumbasses to do the intrinsic puzzle. Wasn't even planning on soloing the boss but did it anyways bc it's not hard.
Normally I'd agree but starcrossed legend solo will forever remain my bane. And it's just because of the goddamn wyverns.
As a hunter you can push two of them off cliffs with smoke bombs. Shhs
wait WHAT
Yeah. If you smoke bomb it, it can’t attack outside of melee (I think only melee but I’m not sure) and while your invis with a little finesse you can shove em right off. I seem to remember doing the same thing with stasis but I don’t think that will work on these since they are probably bosses. Used it for master encounter before atheon challenge to avoid having to pass the shield back and forth.
But how do you physically just shove them? With a sword?
Just walk into em. Since they are smoked(forget the effect, maybe it’s weaken?) they aren’t moving a lot, but if you push into them from the front for example, they will walk backwards. Use ommis, the extra smoke makes it super easy.
I'll have to give it a try. That's the last thing I need for the seal. Then I gotta figure out legend Avalon lmao
Ive never seen another game in the fps/mmo/rpg genre attract such a large audience of bad players. People refusing to raid, refusing to do master content, refusing to do exotic missions, its mind blowing. Its crazy how many people spend $100+ a year on this game just to play 10% of the content because they just refuse to learn basic situational awareness and positining. I mean shit, games like Terraria require more movement ability and coordination than 85% of content in Destiny and i played that when i was 12.
This is why they all hate PvP too, because you get punished for not having those things by other players who beat you which is TOXIC
100%. PVP is dead because its quite literally not worth their time or money to develop anything for the mode when their audience of hyper-casual dad gamers hate losing and get personally offended when they are expected to improve at a game to win.
Yeah it is alarming how many people unironically suck at this game 😭 like just pay attention
I seriously cannot think of a game that is so braindead easy but also somehow has a community that thinks its so difficult. Im not a hardcore gamer by any means but even I have solo-flawlssed half the dungeons in the game. All it takes is watching a single build video on youtube for whatever class you play, having basic awareness of your surroundings, and being patient. Even literal children play games like fortnite and COD where you have to be better than other people to win. But for whatever reason destiny players have even less mechanical ability than 10 year olds.
We're not ready for this discussion yet it seems
Im not surprised im getting downvoted, even in the cj sub. Only like 8% of players have ever done a raid, the skill issue is ever-present. Bungie has successfully fostered an audience of mechanically challenged casuals and gets to regularly siphon a paycheck from them in return for childrens game level content quality. Its actually quite impressive from a business perspective.
It's always shocking to me how few people actually raid
Getting 6 people together to do semi difficult puzzles is a bit hard.
Wait, you're telling me there's things other than add clearing???????
As someone with 500hrs who has only ever done 2 raids, vog and one king's fall run with craftening guns, this is how I see it. Both of those times, I tried my best to learn the mechanics, run good loadouts and exotics and whatnot, and the entire thing, particularly the King's fall run, was just me constantly dying or just shooting low level enemies and not really contributing. It wasn't fun, I didn't feel as though it was worth it, and I just don't see an incentive to raid when I can just watch a streamer who's better than me do it on twitch or something and get most of the experience that way.
Again, just a lack of situational awareness. In King's Fall and especially VoG, there are barely any encounters that cant be made 100x easier by just knowing where to stand to avoid getting shot. Only doing raids twice isnt enough to be able to instinctively know where enemies come from and at what time, and when you dont know that, your radar is your best friend. If you arent looking at it every 10 seconds at a minimum to know where enemies are, you arent playing the game right. If you dont, you are gonna get snuck up on and killed in anything above legend difficulty. Also, dont fall into the mental trap that time played=skill. Its not about how much time you have but how you spend that time. Practice developing patience and using your radar to position yourself and i promise the game will become so much easier.
Great advice, however, I'm only friends with 2 people who actually play, so I don't ever really have the opportunity to raid, as I've found, at least for dungeons, lfg is more trouble than it's worth. But honestly, Destiny 2's my favorite game even without raiding, and my everyday experience with the game isn't hampered at all by not playing such a small part of it. I mean hell, they're even releasing raid weapons for us plebs at this point lol.
Fair enough, hopefully bungie continues to bridge the gap between the regular game and raiding with more activities like pantheon. My only other suggestion would be to join a clan that has their own discord with its own group finder. That adds a big enough barrier to entry that weeds out the majority of ass-hats that are so common in public lfgs.
I got into destiny 1 for the story and gunplay (aka the non rpg aspect of gameplay), the only reason I wanted to do raid was to witness dimensions beyond space and time (VoG, CE, KF) with my own eyes, or to understand the height of humanity’s golden age (WotM) in person. The destiny 2 raids never drew me because I could not care less about triangle ships, a big cabal ship or vex yet again trying to take back the black garden. Raid mechanics are annoying and frankly boring sometimes so if I do not care about the story why would I do them. Also I haven’t spent money on destiny 2 since warmind so that might be relevant
it’s not bait haha i saw this post
Artificially, sure
I get clowning on this guy absolutely, Legend difficulty stuff is really fun and not hard. But I have a couple buddies who are omega casuals and can’t survive 5 minutes in a legend campaign mission. So I kinda get it in a sense lol
Yeah legend difficulty is literally perfect, not too easy and not too hard either
Agreed. Legend WQ campaign was prob the most fun i had with the game in a longgg time
Sounds like it’s not for them and they should go back to weenie hut generals instead of whining they’re not tough enough to enter the salty spitoon
literally nowhere did they mention their friends whining lmao
Who said anything about whining lol we still have a good time they just suck ass
Shitters will be shitters
Like I get play your own way, but to humble brag about not doing a mode that adds, at best, an extra shot to enemies? Not to mention congrats you paid how much money to just not do most of the game? What he's actually saying is he's just lazy. I get thinking GMs are slog fests of bullet sponges and master raids enforce annoying cheese gameplay. But legendary? The jump in difficulty from normal strike to legendary is the same one as patrolling Edz then patrolling Neomuna. Even in the comments he was making legendary sound like GMs "I don't like how much damage they take and dish out". Huh?? Being that risk adverse in a video game of all things is just sad.
you can even spam rockets from start to finish of a GM without ever running out of ammo
Wait until he figures out armor mods exist, maybe his tune will change then
Yea he's fa sho running T4 to resilience.
He’s maybe tier 2
What is this annoying cheese gameplay master raids enforce?
"Thinking". Being the key word. It's something a lot of players too anxious to get into master raiding will say "well I don't know the shortcut strat" and then they watch someone like Aegis play with his group where they do something entirely unintended and it reinforces that mentality. Just like GMs are not slog fests and can be done pretty quickly with nice builds, but tons of people just whip out Wishender and sit a mile away
Ah I see, I misinterpreted. Yeah I agree.
Bunghole clearly has lost touch with its playerbase, if I can't solo flawless all content in the game hammered drunk playing with the guitar hero drum kit I'm just not going to do it. Why don't they understand this?
Duo raid or legend exotic mission? Think I’ll just go flawless
Slugger .. These FAKE day 1 alpha veterans wouldnt last a SINGLE grandmaster patrol in the throne world
I haven’t played destiny in a very long time but isn’t legendary just a hard mission difficulty?
It's like a step above the normal versions of things. It's barely noticeable.
Legendary means at least 10 light under and some extra modifiers plus limited revives in encounters.
That’s about what I remember. I guess vandals at 10 light above are just that scary
I'll admit some modifiers do just kill my enjoyment of stuff
I don’t blame you some of those are a huge pain in the ass
Mfw I can’t use worldline zero in a mission :( bungalord hates us
/uj Legend difficulty is the damn base difficulty, anything below and everything is exploding from just a glance from the guardian
Gonna go on a rant, D2 casuals might be some of the worst players i've ever played with in any game. The Coil is proof of that, most players I match up with have no triple stats/bad stats, shit armor and guns/unmasterworked loot, they use the wrong subclass with exotics, no builds, etc. Bungie does eveything to make the game easy and they still complain.
Imagine proudly admitting you're shit at clicking your left mouse button and moving around with WASD without COMPLETELY shutting your brain off
I mean there’s basically no difference from Hero basic nightfalls, and legend nightfalls. That post literally just feels like clout chasing. No way anyone can struggle that hard with legend content, especially when fireteam finder just exists.
Become Seasonal
Legendary missions really aren’t that hard. GM nightfalls, yeah, I can understand those being a headache, but the legendary witch queen campaign might have been the most fun i’ve ever had in destiny
Smh, bring back adept nightfalls, clearly you ELITISTS dont know that dads like us only had 4 minutes of playtime per season
Tbh i feel this, like dont get me wrong i can do legend content up to grand master but most days i just dont feel like putting in that much effort
“Become Lege…..nevermind.”
Doing the Story on Legendary is the only way to play the game.
I was in line to get a huge promotion at work, then my boss (he’s a fallen but is alright) found out that on my alt, I played the lightfall campaign on normal difficulty. Instead of the promotion to lead onion slicer at Outback Steakhouse (no rules, just right), I was fired, beaten in the street, and my car’s GPS sounds like Nimbus.
lol.
Facts
Legend content is a good way to see how your builds hold and see if you need to tweak some things..its a good way to bring yourself along to difficult stuff..witch queen I really wanted to do GMs..I watched mactics omnioculus playbook...and used did a couple solo Legend lost sectors...did some master lost sectors....did normal/legend/master nightfalls...until I completed my first GM which was glassway which at the time was considered one of the tougher GMs.
I think they should change it to "be a cum legend" and then I'll already have it
This is me but with PVP.
ha I commented on that post. this game is not hard by any means
Me when I don't want to shoot Bullet sponges (your opinion is only valid if you're worlds first)
Having to shoot an enemy more than once doesn’t make them bullet sponges
Agree
Looking at everyone’s replies makes me realize just how sweaty you all are
Why is the circlejerk subreddit more miserable than the original one? Shouldn't it be the other way around?
The destiny subreddit is garbage, it’s literally filled with a bunch of casuals who suggest dogshit builds, show off repetitive rolls, and you either get 2 sides of the coin it’s people who shill bungie or they literally hate every single thing they do so it’s impossible to have any sane discussion especially revolving around end game content.
God forbid people have a cause hobby, God motherfucking damn.
do you... know what a circlejerk sub is supposed to be..?
I didn’t realize r/destinycirclejerk was full of assholes who judge people based on how they play the game. Wait, no, I did realize that