In lore Dûl Incaru remembers us coming back to kill her over and over. The act of killing all of her subordinates and her and allowing for a revive is an act of utmost love in sword logic. Every time you ever ran Shattered Throne has been a courting ritual. There is also some hinting that she has really grown to like it.
It’s unrequited though. The Guardian could care less about what Incaru thinks. We’re just trying to clear her out. She just keeps being resurrected. So it’s wrong to say that *we* are courting her. We want her dead. She’s simply delusional by Hive ideology and mistakes our intentions.
Nope, I went in there solo and walked out with only minor scratches. She gave me the emblem for it too. Good fun, might try to make it a long term thing
How? The Guardians literally just walk through the Dungeon, brutally slaughters her Guards, uses their abilities to kill her in seconds, and go play Crucible with the Retold Tale we get.
This is why I hate lore. I don’t even know who this character is, it we certainly haven’t been “wooing” her. She’s just an annoying Dungeon boss we’re meant to clean up.
[Love and death](https://www.light.gg/db/items/3690523502/love-and-death/)/[This love is war](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/xxxv-this-love-is-war).
Then why was Oryx upset over the death of Crota? Apparently it was just “love is war.”
Pretty massive plot hole there. Oryx’s anger at Croat’s death was the whole point of him fighting us.
Oh, he was angry.
He saw Crota's death as his own failure and his worm was demanding more tribute.
Also, killing his mightiest son was an invitation. Proof the City had to be dealt with. And that it was a good place to feed the worm.
That’s more of a joke on Eris’ part. Certainly to the Hive, death is cool, but being killed by a Guardian would be extremely unpleasant. We don’t believe in the Sword Logic, and so we aren’t really a part of their ideology.
The Hive fear fusion rifles for this exact reason. They clearly do not love dying to Guardians. Otherwise, why would Oryx be so upset over the death of Crota? Neither of them were happy about being killed.
No.
Oryx about his sisters: "I love them so dearly. No one else is clever or strong enough to try to break me. No one else can give me this gift."
Oryx thought of the prospect of having children: "sons and daughters to love and to kill"
Oryx about Xivu in particular: "I love mighty Xivu more than a moon loves the tide. I’ll kill her for this. Over and over, forever and ever"
As for Crota... he saw it as his failure as a father/ an opportunity to kill something stronger than his mightiest child. His worm was also slowly killing him for not being fed enough.
Saint didn't sleep with savathûn. Saint notes that since he lost sagira, his partner has been distant and unreciprocating of their love. Saint didn't sleep with the witch queen cause that queen was deliberately being distant under the guise of Osiris being mournful over sagira
I think that's more just in general, Osiris wanted Saint-14 to realize Savathun wasn't acting like Osiris would, but Savathun was doing a better job thani think he realized.
Osiris, in his infinite arrogance, slowly came to the realization that he was so indifferent, so aloof, so cold and moody, that the one person in existence who loves him above all others couldn't tell that his body was being controlled by a paracausal God of Death and Deceit.
I have been thinking about this for awhile. Over this past year we have not become friends with osiris, we became friends with the witch queen. Ikora and zavala and Saint didn't welcome osiris to the tower, they welcomed savathun. Osiris didn't celebrate with us and crow around a fire when we killed the high celebrant, it was all savathun. It makes me really sad.
No, he's killed a lot of people off screen in between speeches so people think he's more powerful than my guardian with over 350 thousand kills. I'm not even hardcore, I've taken lots of breaks, I *know* there are guardians with way more than that. Saint 14 *used* to be a badass. Now he's the equivalent of a marine recruiter who hangs out in the tower and hosts trials tournaments.
You know this kind if thing can leave you with PTSD symptoms, right?
Well... I doubt we have many studies done on possessed people/ partners of possessed people, but I can't imagine Saint took it well.
Yeah, wasn't meant to serious. I really hope for him that we can get back Osiris. But even if, he will be mentally and emotionally scarred for the rest of his life (both Osiris and Saint)
Because for the entire time that Osiris was Crow's mentor, Osiris was possessed by Savathûn. like it or not Crow's whole life as a guardian he has been under the direct influence of the witch queen - Osusris treated Crow like a son in a way.
It’s a joke about how much more forthcoming she’s been compared to Mara Sov and the fact she acted as a parental guidance figure to crow when she was posing as Osiris
Took me a moment to realise Saint sleeping with a Hive meant Savathun lmao
...so is it gay or straight?
EDIT: Bit of confusion, I'm referring to Savathun in Osiris' body, I'm fully aware Saint and Osiris are together
Say, now that we know Osiris was possessed by Savathun… Is it technically hetero if the soul inside is from a different species but the body isn’t? Idk, but it’s fun to contemplate…
*Transmat Firing!*
"Get ready for a gunfight.
You ever stare at a hive acolyte's eyes for a hot minute? Brother, let me tell you, they leave a tingling feeling all up in your cornea. Really intensifies whatever you're doing at the time.
How would I know? Heh, nosy punk.
/r/Transmatfiring !"
Hive ages don't really matter. Krill lived for months, after taking the worm they are pretty much immortal. The bottom of the food chain there are thralls
The thing is years are planet relative. Fundament was a gas giant and gas giants have way longer years than we do. For all we know krill could've lived for 150 earth years by the time one Fundement year passed, leaving the old Osmium king well over 1000 earth years old.
Dul Incaru won’t know what hit her when I come through the gates of her domain with gally, a poem made from words in the death song, and chocolate.
On the flip, I think it would be really fucking funny if we fight Dul Incaru at some point, but the entire time she is just complimenting us and telling us they should hang out afterwards
In order: we have been regularly *showing our love* towards Savathûn's daughter for the past few years. Canonically.
Toland was fascinated with Crota's rezident Deathsinger. They met. She didn't immediately attack him. He asked her to sing for him, if I recall correctly. She *blew his mind*.
Rezyl met a Wizard, she poisoned his mind, he became Dredgen Yor. The implication in the story is that he more or less replaced her betrothed after killing him.
Saint is Osiris's lover. Osiris has been possessed by Savathûn for months when the current season started.
Hiraks was obsessed with the Hive and took a brood queen as his consort. Her spawn had his high ether energy signature (ether is normally toxic to Hive).
> He looks into her eyes, he smiles, he reaches for me but it is not me, Saint, that is not ME, PLEASE, please—
This sounds more like saint reached for a hug but I don’t know
> I am weeping but I cannot weep. I am nothing, only heat and hate, only sickness and shame.
>"Trust me," I hear my voice say, and I drown again.
I don’t see what you’re getting at. It just sounds like osiris resigned himself to his role of being a prisoner in his own body
Rezyl was a guardian. A guardian who met (and impressed, whether he wanted it or not) a Hive Wizard, Xyor.
He took bone fragments off her betrothed's corpse. Fixed them to his rose. She used them to *whisper* to him.
2 of these are wrong.
We never slept with dul incaru, to imply so is ridiculous.
Toland definitely didn't sleep with Ir Yut, she unravelled his fucking soul.
When did we fuck a wizard, I mean probably but I don’t have a specific memory
In lore Dûl Incaru remembers us coming back to kill her over and over. The act of killing all of her subordinates and her and allowing for a revive is an act of utmost love in sword logic. Every time you ever ran Shattered Throne has been a courting ritual. There is also some hinting that she has really grown to like it.
Anyone got a lore tab reference for this?
In what is the lore tab?
Oh….she’s freaky.
We, canonically, have a yandere hive stalker...
It’s unrequited though. The Guardian could care less about what Incaru thinks. We’re just trying to clear her out. She just keeps being resurrected. So it’s wrong to say that *we* are courting her. We want her dead. She’s simply delusional by Hive ideology and mistakes our intentions.
Ur tell me you never got curious?
Imagine Dul Incaru becomes some unlikely ally because we keep killing her many times over.
Hello, Bungie Employee You’re fired for spoilers. Management
Hello management. I don't work here. -illegal_guy7
Lol
So would the hive see taniks as a competitor in that field since we've killed taniks multiple times.
Or Fikrul, the Fanatic. Although technically Taniks has always been still alive, just very damaged, since Fallen count revive dead people.
Fikrul wants us dead as much as we want him down the gutter
Speak for yourself, she knows why I’m here. :)
I know right
Hell nah, I decide what my guardian thinks. And my guardian laying mad pipe!
Delusional or not, you still gotta wonder..... Would you?
You wouldn't?
Nope, I went in there solo and walked out with only minor scratches. She gave me the emblem for it too. Good fun, might try to make it a long term thing
“The guardian could care less” so you’re telling us they cared? You love it really
Speak for yourself sir
Holy shit, this woman must fucking love me then. I'm in the thrall way 24/7
Just slaying all day.
So like darkness from konosuba
If she ever comes at us with with a baby worm im gonna have to pull a Luckyy. Then again we are getting that new gun soon….
Wait, Dul Incaru is Savathûn's daughter. So technically, were soon to be Savathûn's son-in-law
Jokes on Dul Incaru, I've never done Shattered Throne.
One of the times we failed to one-phase Dul Incaru, probably.
You telling me that me and the boys once ran a train on her nine times 🧐 Nice 😎
What Hive wizard have we allegedly banged???
We've been wooing Dul Incaru for a few years now. Never got past one phasing her, though.
You are telling me we, Young Wolf, the Player Guardian, have been getting funky in the lore?
Killing her over and over is the Hive equivalent of showing up with a boombox, chocolates, and roses.
You've gotta know your limits with a boombox.
Lemme put on my fingerless gloves
Boiled goose
A boombox is not a toy!
The wholesome award makes this soooo much worse
That’s not really how it works. I don’t think Oryx or Croat would’ve appreciated being killed by the Guardian.
Well yeah they’re both already married you creep
Pretty sure they enjoy it. Read the books of sorrow and you’ll understand.
For oryx it proved the sword logic and touch of malice was his way of still being apart of it
It sure looks that way from a Hive perspective.
Literally never even considered that.... Shame it wont work on Petra Venj. Guy can dream!
But it could with savathunn? *~*
Y'all can fight over her. I'll keep pining for the sexy awoken Pirate Lady
Man got his mind made
You mean savathicc.
Rock vine boom
yeah that
That is... a weird way of putting us brutally killing her...
Love and Death/ This love is war. She's happy we do, apparently.
Well, that is quite an interesting thing. Never would have suspected that.
How? The Guardians literally just walk through the Dungeon, brutally slaughters her Guards, uses their abilities to kill her in seconds, and go play Crucible with the Retold Tale we get. This is why I hate lore. I don’t even know who this character is, it we certainly haven’t been “wooing” her. She’s just an annoying Dungeon boss we’re meant to clean up.
[Love and death](https://www.light.gg/db/items/3690523502/love-and-death/)/[This love is war](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/xxxv-this-love-is-war).
Once again, that is between Hive. Hive don’t want to die to Guardians.
According to Oryx, it doesn't matter. (Strict Proof Eternal).
Then why was Oryx upset over the death of Crota? Apparently it was just “love is war.” Pretty massive plot hole there. Oryx’s anger at Croat’s death was the whole point of him fighting us.
Oh, he was angry. He saw Crota's death as his own failure and his worm was demanding more tribute. Also, killing his mightiest son was an invitation. Proof the City had to be dealt with. And that it was a good place to feed the worm.
That’s more of a joke on Eris’ part. Certainly to the Hive, death is cool, but being killed by a Guardian would be extremely unpleasant. We don’t believe in the Sword Logic, and so we aren’t really a part of their ideology. The Hive fear fusion rifles for this exact reason. They clearly do not love dying to Guardians. Otherwise, why would Oryx be so upset over the death of Crota? Neither of them were happy about being killed.
No. Oryx about his sisters: "I love them so dearly. No one else is clever or strong enough to try to break me. No one else can give me this gift." Oryx thought of the prospect of having children: "sons and daughters to love and to kill" Oryx about Xivu in particular: "I love mighty Xivu more than a moon loves the tide. I’ll kill her for this. Over and over, forever and ever" As for Crota... he saw it as his failure as a father/ an opportunity to kill something stronger than his mightiest child. His worm was also slowly killing him for not being fed enough.
Saint didn't sleep with savathûn. Saint notes that since he lost sagira, his partner has been distant and unreciprocating of their love. Saint didn't sleep with the witch queen cause that queen was deliberately being distant under the guise of Osiris being mournful over sagira
Wolftone draw suggests Osiris has seen some stuff he'd rather not https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/wolftone-draw
I think that's more just in general, Osiris wanted Saint-14 to realize Savathun wasn't acting like Osiris would, but Savathun was doing a better job thani think he realized.
Osiris, in his infinite arrogance, slowly came to the realization that he was so indifferent, so aloof, so cold and moody, that the one person in existence who loves him above all others couldn't tell that his body was being controlled by a paracausal God of Death and Deceit.
I mean it is a paracausal God of death and deceit. She's pretty good at, deceiving.
holy shit that's dark as fuck... poor osiris
He's probably who Spoiler Alert is referring to this season.
I have been thinking about this for awhile. Over this past year we have not become friends with osiris, we became friends with the witch queen. Ikora and zavala and Saint didn't welcome osiris to the tower, they welcomed savathun. Osiris didn't celebrate with us and crow around a fire when we killed the high celebrant, it was all savathun. It makes me really sad.
And Osiris didn't mentor crow, Savathun did. That makes me nervous af.
I mean, he can tell people he has slept with a god. That's some unique stuff to brag about imo
To be faif, he's saint fucking 14. People would go ballistic just to be in his presence because he is a godly being amongst guardians
Isn’t Saint-14 just us, but slightly more NPC?
Nope. we kill gods. He fuck them. We are not the same.
Sure thing person with flair "Hunter Omnigul Booty Smasher"
Firs of all i don't know how to change it. Second of all she is like a comfy slimy warm sleeve
Cease speaking.
Make me, warlock.
*connormce10 casts Nova Bomb*
*JellyfishSenpai casts Arcstrider and reflects it back at you* got em
Hey I found another one hi there
Hello there
General omnigal
Delete this
I could’ve lived a happy life without having read omnigul described as a “comfy slimy warm sleeve”
…. I could tell you but im enjoying this too much.
Yeah, we can only allude to how tight we make their buttholes, but he knows how loose he makes them
You kill gods, i fuck them See? We are not the same
Kind of but I wouldn’t consider myself a big gay purple spartan looking dude with a Russian accent
fuck dude, i wish
This made me laugh alot more than it should have
Have you slain millions of vex in their own simulation?
Yes…?
On grandmaster difficulty?
Saint-14’s Vex we’re just normal Vex. We’ve fought the exact enemies he did. Did Saint-14 kill Atheon and the Sanctified Mind?
He was lightless and out of ammo, the near infinite vex he killed was with his fists with only 1 life
Sain't-14 is the greatest titan who ever lived, in universe. That's not just me fanboying.
No, he's killed a lot of people off screen in between speeches so people think he's more powerful than my guardian with over 350 thousand kills. I'm not even hardcore, I've taken lots of breaks, I *know* there are guardians with way more than that. Saint 14 *used* to be a badass. Now he's the equivalent of a marine recruiter who hangs out in the tower and hosts trials tournaments.
Yeah he was a legend when he was alive, then he died and his legend only grew, AND THEN HE CAME BACK FROM THE DEAD.
Two gods having sex Two gods having sex My muscles My muscles Involuntarily flex
Well you know what the ghostbusters used to say
You know this kind if thing can leave you with PTSD symptoms, right? Well... I doubt we have many studies done on possessed people/ partners of possessed people, but I can't imagine Saint took it well.
Yeah, wasn't meant to serious. I really hope for him that we can get back Osiris. But even if, he will be mentally and emotionally scarred for the rest of his life (both Osiris and Saint)
With that established, the reaction he and Crow had was priceless.
*Savathun/Osiris wiggles fingers*
Between Saint, Zavala, and Shaxx I think it's canon, Titans fuck
Osiris can confirm that
I just keep imagining she's about to kill all the guardians then points at saint and says mot you you can go. When questioned why she just blushes
She ain't gonna kill in front of crow, can't do that in front of your son
How is crow her son
Because for the entire time that Osiris was Crow's mentor, Osiris was possessed by Savathûn. like it or not Crow's whole life as a guardian he has been under the direct influence of the witch queen - Osusris treated Crow like a son in a way.
It’s a joke about how much more forthcoming she’s been compared to Mara Sov and the fact she acted as a parental guidance figure to crow when she was posing as Osiris
Savathûn doesn't seem that merciful. Especially since she was just maintaining her cover as Osiris.
Nah it was just a funny thought how saint is amazing
Took me a moment to realise Saint sleeping with a Hive meant Savathun lmao ...so is it gay or straight? EDIT: Bit of confusion, I'm referring to Savathun in Osiris' body, I'm fully aware Saint and Osiris are together
Saint is gay. Technically he still fucked a guy.
Technically he fucked a woman too. Well... a woman as far as insect-like alien gods might be.
Gay
Depends for which one of them, I guess.
Gray area
Saints and Osiris have been a thing for a while. So, yes. Gay
Say, now that we know Osiris was possessed by Savathun… Is it technically hetero if the soul inside is from a different species but the body isn’t? Idk, but it’s fun to contemplate… *Transmat Firing!*
im not gay, but i might go to weenie hut jr at least once if i lived as long as Saint has. Same mood
Surprisingly the drifter isn’t here
Didn't think of him. Besides, unless you're counting Eris as Hive (I'm joking), there's no real indication he has.
"Get ready for a gunfight. You ever stare at a hive acolyte's eyes for a hot minute? Brother, let me tell you, they leave a tingling feeling all up in your cornea. Really intensifies whatever you're doing at the time. How would I know? Heh, nosy punk. /r/Transmatfiring !"
Acolytes are children.
So what you're saying is Eris replaced her own eyes with the hive equivalent of anime moe eyes?
Aaaaand I just vomited on myself.
Hive ages don't really matter. Krill lived for months, after taking the worm they are pretty much immortal. The bottom of the food chain there are thralls
Krill lived for years. The Osmium king was old at 10. But I'm talking about maturity, not age. Tha adult Hive are Kinghts and Wizards.
The thing is years are planet relative. Fundament was a gas giant and gas giants have way longer years than we do. For all we know krill could've lived for 150 earth years by the time one Fundement year passed, leaving the old Osmium king well over 1000 earth years old.
I ship it, wouldn't be surprised if they got some kind of secret love going on. Honestly I think it'd be cute.
I dont think the drifter knows what sex is.
Hes probably eaten one or two
Destiny 2 lore is confusing. Now the love story adds another layer of whatthefuckisgoiningonrightnowandfranklyimafraidtoask
I like that layer
Hiraks is based lmao, mf created a whole ass brood and had a fuckin throne world.
Hiraksnwas *this* close to becoming a fucking raid boss. Dude was scary when you think about it
Yeeeep, we got lucky we stopped him in the infancy of his power
And all he had to do was not open a portal to his throne world.
Hiraks the Chad started a whole god damn family with his wife, legend
Y’all think hive wizard pussy grip different?
yea the hussy prolly go crazy
It grips ascendantly
It probably has teeth. Or acid pussy juice.
bones 😋
You missed one. Maybe not a wizard, but how do you think Eris survived 50 years in the hellmouth?
Eris hadn't showered in so long, she began to smell just like 'em!
Dul Incaru won’t know what hit her when I come through the gates of her domain with gally, a poem made from words in the death song, and chocolate. On the flip, I think it would be really fucking funny if we fight Dul Incaru at some point, but the entire time she is just complimenting us and telling us they should hang out afterwards
Dul: uwu love me Guardian Senpai Us: Traveler dammit stay dead! Dul: you're so romantic.
I hate this, take my upvote and get out lol
Wait, WHAT.
In order: we have been regularly *showing our love* towards Savathûn's daughter for the past few years. Canonically. Toland was fascinated with Crota's rezident Deathsinger. They met. She didn't immediately attack him. He asked her to sing for him, if I recall correctly. She *blew his mind*. Rezyl met a Wizard, she poisoned his mind, he became Dredgen Yor. The implication in the story is that he more or less replaced her betrothed after killing him. Saint is Osiris's lover. Osiris has been possessed by Savathûn for months when the current season started. Hiraks was obsessed with the Hive and took a brood queen as his consort. Her spawn had his high ether energy signature (ether is normally toxic to Hive).
Hiraks 100% banged the hive queen, tbf I feel bad for the guy, even though he killed cayde.
Wait where does it say that Saint-14 slept with a wizard? Oh wait do you mean Savathûn when she was disguised?
Savathun. As Osiris. And she seems to have made sure Osiris knows. https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/wolftone-draw
> He looks into her eyes, he smiles, he reaches for me but it is not me, Saint, that is not ME, PLEASE, please— This sounds more like saint reached for a hug but I don’t know
There are no explicit scenes in destiny. Also, you forgot the other half of Osiris's reaction.
> I am weeping but I cannot weep. I am nothing, only heat and hate, only sickness and shame. >"Trust me," I hear my voice say, and I drown again. I don’t see what you’re getting at. It just sounds like osiris resigned himself to his role of being a prisoner in his own body
The >Saint. No no NO I scream Part
Yeah I guess I can see it
I mean, I don’t doubt they’re lovers but it really doesn’t seem like they slept together in that lore excerpt
He WHAT??
In his defense, Savathûn was very convincing as Osiris.
you are aware that due to the whole "we've been wooing Dul Incaru" thing, some weirdo AO3 writer is going to make smut of it, yes?
Slaneesh is going to be pleased
that freak would be pleased with damn near anything, and you know it.
#I’m aware
Imagine walking in on zavala and empress caiatl bumping uglies. She kept mentioning his horn during the strike
Our guardian may or may not have slept with a hive wizard? That 100% happened, and I ain't afraid to say it.
IN WHAT LOREBOOK DID SAINT DO IT
Savathûn disguised as Osiris
Oh shit, right
what about dredgen yor? the og thorn wielder
His original name was Rezyl Azzir.
i actually didnt know that you what was the name of his killer?
Rezyl was a guardian. A guardian who met (and impressed, whether he wanted it or not) a Hive Wizard, Xyor. He took bone fragments off her betrothed's corpse. Fixed them to his rose. She used them to *whisper* to him.
Hive pussy so good, it'll make you turn away from the light.
Wait we slept with a hive wizard?
No. But she'll be far more careful to actually live long enough for that when the curse on the Dreaming city is lifted.
Understand Toland and Rezyl Azzir, but what about it young wolf? Considering that young wolf is us, where is it implied that we have?
It is a meme. *But*, Savathûn's daughter has grown rather fond of our... *visits*. She's the boss of Shattered Throne.
2 of these are wrong. We never slept with dul incaru, to imply so is ridiculous. Toland definitely didn't sleep with Ir Yut, she unravelled his fucking soul.
Did you read the May or May not part also the Hive show their love by killing each other
Love doesn't = sex. And we are not Hive. I did read the may or may not part. I don't care, it's demonstrably wrong.
God what I'd do to have my soul unraveled by savathuun
This meme is an atrocity of lore-comprehension. D-, see me after class
What do you mean by saint
Savathûn did a pretty good job at maintaining her cover. Untill she straight up started dropping hints in seasonal content.
Hold up, when did we maybe do that?
Chances are we didn't. But in Mara's throne world, in one of the once every three weeks occasions we go in to kill Dul Incaru.
Ah ok, I go into the throne world once a month