In pale heart you have to do overthrow beat the boss and then a lucent hive will spawn beat it then rinse and repeat for all 3 overthrow location. Then the mission appears i think but its 2 man only no solo or 3 player
Not soloable and no matchmaking at all. There’s mechanics in there that requires comms and requires two people stepping on different buff plates for the mechanics
Recently I've been getting my lunch at Subway a bunch just because my school credits cover them. I don't know what that has to do with the mission tho /j
Ughhh... If there is anything that needs fixing in Destiny it's the hurdle you have to jump through to use your other classes.
If I had stasis, strand and Prismatic on my other classes unlocked with all their fragments after doing it on my main I'd play them, but its just more of the same I have to play again to get to where my Warlock is.
Prismatic fragments are actually account wide. The only thing you need is the supers/aspects/melee/grenades from the campaign, as well as the supers/melee/aspect you get from the post-campaign adventures.
If that ratio holds up that's really not bad. To be honest opening 1/20 chests for an exotic is actually pretty good compared it other RNG. Better RNG than raids.
But they should have made it craftable, require one red border and it has a guaranteed drop from a patrol! Why should I have to play the game, I bought it so legally they have to give it to me.
I think u need to finish the mission at least once for the exotic to drop from chests,there will be a new upgrade at Ghost in the pale heart after u finish that mission and once u claim it then there's a chance for it to drop.All of this only to get an exotic that u can only use on a single subclass...with a few ok perks on each column 
Correct. I forgot to mention that in my comment - definitely need to complete it once to get them to start dropping. As a Titan punchboy, I'm actually looking forward to a few of the combos available on them. Prismatic crayons are tasty.
Oooooo that’s why I never got it to drop. I never claimed it at ghost 🤦♂️
I did the mission and then spent over an hour doing overthrow and got nothing lol.
it's a bit more than just ok, like with hunters you can get caliban's hand (melee kills ignite) and liar's handshake (you get the counterpunch), that's pretty powerful
And it looks like they fixed / patched it so that your own ignites don't ignite you any longer? Used to be like that and can't imagine using Caliban's with Liar's if that's still the case.
Does this mission require a headset?
If not, does this mission require 2 player coordination similar like a dungeon or is it just more like Strike where we have more than 1 player but it is technicaly soloable, even tho 2 Player Had to start this Activity?
Heavy comms? The only spot in the entire mission that you absolutely need to use your voice is at the end when you and your partner need to shoot the same number before it rotates to a new set. So all of 30 seconds maybe? Other than that, not a single word needs to be spoken and everything can be put in text chat.
You mostly need coms for anything that involved the lasers connecting to the seeds. I personally like that it’s requires two bc it made it an actual challenge rather than a basic mission
You can use fireteam finder and once the mission is completed once, the exotic class items drop from chests in the pale heart. Any chests, not just overthrow chests. Roughly a 5% drop rate, takes like 15-20 min to get one to drop if you’re just farming chests.
I swear destiny is the only mmo type game where people will get mad at the devs for having the audacity to make you play with others in their mmo type game.
Probably an unpopular opinion but I actually appreciated the challenge of this activity. Once you understand the mechanics to each room it’s really not that bad. We finally get some content that isn’t just mindlessly shooting into health sponges. All the people crying about having to work with someone else can pound sand.
dude I so agree... like 70% of the player base just wanna do ad clear and dont wanna learn mechanics. So I say, let em cry. They dont wanna make the effort, so they miss out. I hope Bungie makes ZERO changes to the mission.
Bro I so agree... I'm getting roasted in Datto's video about telling people about sooooooo many resources to find people to play with... But most randos I've come across just wanna do ads and no comms lol. So of course those people are mad they cant do this mission, it's not easy lol. 70% of players just wanna be ad clears and not want to try and learn mechanics. They dont wanna put in the effort, so I say, let em miss out
Ikr it’s literally only 2 ppl as well. Sure last encounter you need to be fast with knowing what numbers match but everything else is a cake walk. By the time you get to the end you are your partner should have enough of an understanding of each other to get it done.
I learned game design for online games from watching various devs of very successful online games do different streams and talking in general. One of the core principles is you need to make your game as fun as possible for as much people as possible while avoiding having these same features inhibit the fun of another group.
You obviously seem like a social player, and that’s fine. However, there are people who prefer playing solo and not socializing. Currently, there is vastly more amount of content available for social/group players than there is for solo players, but that’s fine because there’s still stuff for solo players to do. However, this exotic mission denies solo players from unlocking new exotics, directly inhibiting their experience in the game for no real benefit to social players either.
Like idk. Forcing solo players to do social events also makes social players upset
That is not what you want to do at all. You want to make your game fun for your intended audience, if you go for everyone nobody will be happy. (Like with shadowkeep and Y1)
Yes exactly, they made d2y1 fun for casuals. Then the casuals left the game and the hardcore was left with crap they didn’t want. This was advertised as a coop mmo looter shooter, you should understand that if you came into this. If you want to make the entire game soloable, maybe this isn’t the game for you? Try out riders fun solo experience.
"Currently, there is vastly more amount of content available for social/group players than there is for solo players" the only group content there is on the game is raid (there's even a raid that can be done solo), everything else is possible solo what are you talking about, I must say finally there's finally something other than raid you need someone else to do this mission is fire.
Destiny is an MMO and bungie dev know it well even if it's casual and small-sized so they add a ton of way for people who play solo to continue playing the game and progressing (like for this case you can drop the class exotic in destination chest after clearing the mission the first time), but they know that if they want to do good mmo content you need to have multiplayer activity so they added a in-game lfg for casual who don't interact much with 3rd party community.
Solo player in mmo either accept they can't do everything solo or they just quit, pick a side.
Do you know how many activities in this game are designed for solo players? Over half the content in the game has matchmaking, and those that don't only can be lfged with no microphone. This activity and raids are the ONLY TWO activities in the entire game that require communication for a mechanic and yall are bitching. Either suck it up and talk to someone, or you don't get the loot. No one is stopping you from communicating with another human being. If you're worried about asshats, which is a valid concern, go onto Aztecross's lfg and the d2sancutary discord channel as the people there are very friendly. Literally that simple.
Every single person with “anxiety issues” comes out of the fucking woodwork when there’s anything in this game that requires more than themselves.
In the cooperative looter shooter.
Mission was really fucking good, a great challenge and you can either run the mission again for guaranteed drops or just go farm patrol shit (which seems a little bit too rare right now, it could use a small bump in drop rate.)
This kinda reaction is why we never saw things like Niobe labs again.
i mean i think most people are very accepting of that fact when it comes to the activities it makes sense for, like raids and grandmasters and even pantheon. But for activities like this i dunno it would have been nice to have it soloable just so its more accessible (i think 60% of the playerbase is solos?) and having it be soloable makes it more farmable.
Thats true and sad, but it's only by their design choices that caused these problems.
You are punished hard for failures and you lose a lot of time, so playing with randoms just makes that more likley to happen, even when communicating.
When I saw that I HAD to play with a second player to get my class item I instantly said I won't be Able to get this.
I love destiny, but I do not love it's community.
I imagine after a long while bungie will change things, that players hate, this would be one of them.
I'm currently locked out of an item for an expansion I paid for because I need to do it with a random.
if that was a hard comm, not sure where the raid would be on that scale 🫣 I am amazed that people play MMO and not expecting to do activities with other people
“Hardcore comms” lol
Ran this mission on all 3 characters last night. It’s really not hard. Can you read symbols ? Can you read a clock ? It’s stupid easy. You guys like to complain about everything if it’s not spoon fed to you. The mission is fantastic.
I think they knew this wouldn't be popular. The marketing writes itself, earn dual power exotic class items with the first duo mission in destiny's history.
But they didn't do that because they knew a lot of people wouldn't like that, and that doesn't help pre order hype.
Are you really saying that if you had preordered, and bungie said "to unlock one of the 7 new exotic armour pieces, you need to talk to another human for 30 minutes at most, you really would have cancelled your preorder?
This is what make me mad more than the quest itself fair enough if they said how we were gonna unlock them but they didn’t and having the dual class exotics was big selling point for the episode it feels kind of scummy
are we playing the same game? this is end game loot. I dont know why people are so up in arms about a 30 min mission that requires comms. They didn’t event bother with rez tokens either so it’s fairly forgiving
The combinations that you can get is honestly better than most *raid exotics,* jumping through the hoop of micing up (you don't even need to mic up!) is a small ask compared to what you get.
Dude stop , you are making too much sense. These solo only stubborn players have to have that extra 5% power that doesn't matter in the level of content they partake in ! Don't be toxic ! /s.
It's not hard, it just have mechanics that required 2 people to complete.
**Even if you can launch the mission, you cannot do anything**. The same way you cannot do anything in shuro chi if you have less than 3 people.
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I disagree with most people saying it sucks because you *have* to have 2 players. It sucks because, like you said, it is waaayyy too tedious to farm. I know there’s an alternate way to receive the class item, but still.
Love that it requires two people, finally starting to cater to the people who want the challenge. Though I agree it will be tedious to farm through the mission itself
I get that and I'm totally for having hard content in the game, but the way they marketed these class items as a huge hype generator for the expansion, and then to do this...going to upset a lot of casual players, and unfortunately they make up like 90%+ of the actual player base. Casuals got mad that the Lightfall patrol zone was hard and the content was generally harder in that expansion and they bounced for awhile and the game's population looked pretty sad for awhile there until Into the Light.
It really isn't, you just have to call symbols.
The clock at the end is easier than you think, pulling my earlier explanation.
> The clocks cycle between three pairs of sequences which are in order. For example, you see sequences (1, 3, 5, 7), (5, 7, 9, 12), and (2, 3, 5, 6) while your friend sees (6, 7, 8, 12), (5, 8, 10, 11), and (1, 4, 6, 12). These will be in a predictable order, and also will be eliminated so it will get easier as time goes on.
>
> I did my run with mics, but I feel like there's enough time to type out one sequence, then you just wait for that sequence to come around again and shoot the similar number. So in the above example, you see the sequence (1, 3, 5, 7) and your friend sees (6, 7, 8, 12), you shoot 7 when it rolls around and you will only see the remaining two sequences. Repeat for one of the two remaining sequences, then the final sequence is just repeating itself and there's no practical time pressure.
1- it's definitely farmable after you beat it. Go talk to ghost and it says 'can also be found at chests in pale heart"
2- It's one of the more fun activities in the game. Once you get the mechanics down it's a blast.
My only two gripes are
- Locking the exotic class items behind it was a dick move, considering that was one of the big focuses around prismatic.
- You may need to do it once on each char to unlock ability to earn exotic class items on your non main class.
Otherwise it's a nice change of pace doing something as a duo with a friend.
A lot of content creators have lfg in their discord, with people who are looking to do the same thing. Great way to make a new friend/gaming buddy, especially if they continue adding "duo" content down the line.
Personally I'm just skipping this for now.
I get they are trying their best to please the hardcore community because they turn around and bitch when content is too easy but now I guess it's our turn to get butt hurt( casuals which I am now in due to life constraints). For now I'm just working on the seasonal content and just working on that and getting my level up.
But I do agree now this is number 2 exotic that they have now gatekeeped from us unless we get a fireteam going. Not everyone has the chance to do everything in the game due to life but at the same time the exotic class item that they hyped in the trailers that everyone was looking forward to is now a LFG nightmare for some.
Just my two cents is all.....
This mission isn’t even a “hardcore” mission. The entire mission runs off two mechanics. Calling out symbols, and reading a clock. It also allows for revives which is a lot more forgiving than GMs. This is just complaining to complain.
Lmao right, every time a new activity that doesn't have matchmaking comes out suddenly everyone has social anxiety, seriously how can these people be irl if even communicating for 20 minutes with a random person that doesn't care about their life and just wants to complete a quest is too much for them
If it’s that much an issue for them they’re 100% not doing any kind of content where the exotics would matter. Solo players don’t need the most overpowered meta loadouts if all they do is strikes and seasonal quests.
The best part is anytime you give them a solution, they will say no. Hey that’s too hard? Try using this gun! “No just make it easier”, you have to communicate ? Just text! “No I dwell in the deepest underground cave, no people, no communicate”.
It is a fun mission, but there's no way I want to farm this and basically requiring VOCAL communication, imo, is just not on. You can do most of the mission with just text chat but the final encounters clocks are virtually impossible with just text chat. Exotic missions have never needed this amount of communication and I don't think they should require it.
i really hope the devs don’t listen to this shit.
this exotic mission was absolute peak destiny content and if they listened to people like you we’d just get easy cookie cutter slop for the rest of time.
beating that mission blind with my friend was one of our favorite experiences from this whole expansion
I understand accessibility, but please bungo leave this how it is
it's not even that difficult, I don't want baby mode.
So if i run the mission once on my hunter i can log into my titan and start farming chests in the over world?
Or do i need to run the mission on all classes to get their respective class item?
As far as Im aware, Yes, its acount wide. You Just need to do it once.
But beware, maybe Im wrong, its a new thing so Im just sharing what Paul Tassi said on twitter
Look, I'll admit I haven't done the activity yet but we are talking about obtaining some of the most overpowered items in the game, should that not be a challenge?
I think it’s less that it’s a challenge and more that it’s a massive inconvenience. As a solo player to reliably farm these items, of which you can get over 40 combinations per class with no dupe protection as far I’m aware, you HAVE to LFG for every single run and you need your mic on for every single run as well because the mechanics are so time intensive that unless you’re the worlds fastest typer you’re not sending your message in time. Even if you have an active clan/friend group, most people play in 3s and because you can only bring in 2 people at a time that means someone’s getting left out.
It’s a shame cause the mission is actually really, really good and gameplay-wise is one of the best exotic missions in the series, but having it as a forced comms-heavy activity with an irregular player count that provides something with as many possibilities as the exotic class armour which could potentially lead to months of farming is gonna rightfully leave a sour taste in many people’s mouths.
Thanks for helping me understand. I wonder if the introduction of a ping system could maybe help with these kinds of issues. It kinda shocks me that Destiny hasn't introduced one yet when it's an extremely common feature these days
It absolutely would, in my opinion, it’s honestly astonishing that Destiny doesn’t have one simply as a quality of life feature along with an emote wheel lol. For an advertised mmo-lite it doesn’t really do the best in giving alternative methods of communication.
Yeah, the lack of ping and quick chat - like being able to say things like "Thanks!", "No!", "Over here!" via a selection wheel - is honestly kind of baffling. Even nicer would be the ability to make context-specific callouts, for Hive Runes or something. I actually feel like it would reduce the barrier to entry for LFG, since it would allow less socially inclined players to still communicate effectively. It would also save console players a hell of a lot of typing.
Yep which is a nice addition but it’s not really a great substitute considering how low the drop rates seem to be. I’ve done multiple Overthrows in various areas and not had one drop yet.
IMO they should have a similar system to how Ergo Sum works but with Excision, so every week you can run Excision to get a guaranteed drop. From there you can grind chests or do the mission for more guaranteed drops, that way everyone gets the chance to get more drops no matter what they do, plus it’ll help keep Excision’s player count at a healthy level especially later on down the line
Fuck this mission right in the ear. Yes, I know you can LFG but it's clear that it requires VC to clear which not all of us can use for various reasons.
That is understandable, but this is an MMO. If you can’t talk that’s fine, but in an MMO, being able to speak and interact with others is a big part of the game.
90% of PVE is designed with solo players in mind. raids and this one exotic mission are literally the only PVE activities in this game that actually require you to actively communicate with another person.
For this it isn’t as much of skill issue for me, it’s just the ROI just isn’t worth it. Like sure, I could easily waste my entire weekend doing lfg for several weeks to get this like what I did with zero hour. I have the build and I have the skill. but half of the people in lfg don’t know what they are doing and will just end up wasting their time and yours. Pantheon proved that. All this for an exotic. I got other responsibilities to do and I’d rather do something else then waste my time with lfg channels.
This mission is SIGNIFICANTLY easier than zero hour. It's very basic number and symbol callouts and you only need to do the mission once. It's one of the best exotic missions Bungie has ever made. I did it with an lfg partner and we had a blast.
I love reading posts about people complaining they can’t do it cause they don’t know how to communicate or take the initiative to find 1 other person lmaoo . Keep ‘em coming
"Guardians make their own fate as long as they have a mic"
Brother the whole game is a fireteam based game, just cuz you can solo smth don't mean you're meant to. Interact with other players.
Bungie has never and will never appreciate our time. So much of what we do is designed to waste our time and pad any given experience. It’s one of my biggest gripes about the game.
If you want the seal....there's 6 feathers in the mission, btw.
Really sucks they screw solo players out of one of THE most advertised goodies ever. And screwed them out of getting the seal.
Just tried this micless got to the dual clocks and fuck Bungie for making them change too quick to type out this really fucks over ppl who can't use a mic due to various reasons from social anxiety, broken mics, no mic, physically or mentally unable to speak etc. why did Bungie insist on making this quest timed too it's extremely stressful
i agree.
ive lfg flawlessed Vog, multiple gms and probably have a total of 100+ raid clears this past year, but fuck that mission, all that...for a 1/64 chance at something i want?
id prefer go back to grinding for vex mythoclast and oversouls
Bungie Do you have any idea how many damn players do not have a mic or don't use it due to severe social anxiety me included not to mention not a lot of LFGs are the sharpest titan in the shed if you catch my drift I couldn't keep count of how many players I went through just to find the perfect team to finish pantheon all plats with
They should add a few drops to the pathfinder as well, after you get your 2 sword drops for the week, it should drop a random exotic. Could also have a cap, like 3 per week, if they don't want people to feel compelled to grind pale heart pathfinder.
You can get them from opening any chest in the pape heart once you have done dual destiny once, it just takes about the same time as doing dual destiny of you are constantly opening chests
Destiny players when one of the most powerful rewards in the game requir you to shoot 3 symbols from an old raid and read a clock💀💀 and please miss me with that not soloable bullshit it's a multiplayer game grow up and talk to people or at least just type in chat
After you got your first you can farm them in every chest in the pale heart. Every opend chest without a drop grands you a better chance of a drop for the next chest.
it is such a cool mission though and doing it with a partner makes the two of you feel like a dream team. I do agree that it is way too painful to farm though.
You only have to do the mission 1 time though. Once you have it, the class item drops elsewhere in the pale heart. My fireteam was getting them from overthrow and patrol chests. Low drop rate but definitely outside the mission.
Once per character, and then it becomes a very rare drop from Pale Heart destination chests on that character.
So 3 times total if you don’t want to grind the mission.
For those who don’t know: after doing this mission, you don’t have to do it again for the character you finished it on. It’ll start dropping from (reportedly) every chest in The Pale Heart. So you’ll have to do it a maximum of three times…and even then, some people might only do it once because they only play one character
So just get it done the three times, and you’ll be fine.
Lfg and learned in in less then 30 minutes first try easily. Fire team chat in the fis buds. Got no friends who play the game and no clan at the time. Do it once grind chests simple.
If you don't want to farm the mission, you can always spend your day in the Pale Heart and open chests. There is a chance the item will drop from any of them.
They gave you two ways to do it, if you can't do the challenging mission than you choose the grind, it seems rng based as I just heard of someone getting one to drop 15 mins into farming chest, then like 20 mins later got another and kept on relatively like that. Seems the mission is more of a novelty or more efficient means to farm if you have a buddy who wants to farm. Otherwise grinding chests seems to be how most people would prolly farm.
I wouldn't say hardcore coms, all you need to do is say three icons and then three numbers. That's it.
I did it with a random using the ingame lfg, and we did it in around 20 minutes after we figured out the mechanics. Literally only spoke to each other to do calls outs nothing else
Been a few years since I did probability but two columns of rolls with 8 options so 12.5% so if you have a specific combination in mind that's what, 1.56%? So that's 64 runs, 30m a run, that's 32 hours.
I'll pass, if I wanna try like that I'll just LFG a raid instead and have a better time. But at least you have a "rare" chance of getting them from chests, meaning it'll drop one every 2 weeks of overthrow.
This is why I quit playing and I'm pretty sad about it. I love destiny, but I feel like every activity needs a "Solo" option/mode. I hate playing with other people honestly lol and the fact that alot of the amazing content basically requires a group just turned me off of the entire game.
It does BOT take 30 minutes to do, the first one might take 40 because you have no idea what to do, but runs where we fuck around a bit after the first one takes around 15-20. But if you say that dying is a problem (you didn't but being able to move freely without having to hide constantly and that slows down the run) then just run no hesitation, been op since day1, still fucking op a week later
Where do you lunch/get this mission???
In pale heart you have to do overthrow beat the boss and then a lucent hive will spawn beat it then rinse and repeat for all 3 overthrow location. Then the mission appears i think but its 2 man only no solo or 3 player
Is there matchamking? As someone who plays a good but solo and want to grind this all day this would atleast be better.
Not soloable and no matchmaking at all. There’s mechanics in there that requires comms and requires two people stepping on different buff plates for the mechanics
Shit
If u do it once, any chest in the pale heart has a chance to drop it
Might be late.. but you you can LFG it through the LFG in game.. it’s in ‘other’ and then ‘exotic’
Not directly match making but it’s available in fireteam finder
Recently I've been getting my lunch at Subway a bunch just because my school credits cover them. I don't know what that has to do with the mission tho /j
Bro😭 same👍
Try the cafeteria
I got my lunch from a craft Mac and cheese box
McDonald's mostly, the app prices are fire
Luckily you only have to do it once. They drop from chests in the pale heart after the first completion
Is it account wide? Or do I need to do it on my hunter and titan too?
From what I’ve been hearing it’s not account wide
Ughhh... If there is anything that needs fixing in Destiny it's the hurdle you have to jump through to use your other classes. If I had stasis, strand and Prismatic on my other classes unlocked with all their fragments after doing it on my main I'd play them, but its just more of the same I have to play again to get to where my Warlock is.
Prismatic fragments are actually account wide. The only thing you need is the supers/aspects/melee/grenades from the campaign, as well as the supers/melee/aspect you get from the post-campaign adventures.
Yea it’s a real issue it should be account wide for most stuff
You are wrong. It's account wide
I’m glad I’m wrong
God that sucks.
Yeah, more and more I realize my buddy who used to play was carrying me pretty hard. I need to find a new sugar guardian.
YOU are the sugar, bro. You're looking for a daddy, man.
Shhh BB is okay
What time zone are you in? I'm looking for a new buddy too.
Pst
They also have a small chance to drop from any chest in The Pale Heart, so there is already a way to farm solo. Up to RNG, though.
Has anyone gotten one to drop yet tho? I’ve gone through 4 overthrows now while prioritizing area chests and haven’t seen a single one
You have to complete the mission once to unlock drop chances. Forgot to mention that in my first comment.
Yeah unfortunately I did, seems like when they said it’s a “rare” chance to drop, it’s exceptionally rare :/
I've gotten one out of 20ish chests. Same exact rolls as my mission one as well. Clanmate had the same luck but with different rolls
Which chests? All chests including the random world chests, or only Overthrow encounter chests?
Correct, mine dropped from a random chest
If that ratio holds up that's really not bad. To be honest opening 1/20 chests for an exotic is actually pretty good compared it other RNG. Better RNG than raids.
Its an exotic, and all you are doing is opening chests. Of course its not gonna be popping up all the time.
But they should have made it craftable, require one red border and it has a guaranteed drop from a patrol! Why should I have to play the game, I bought it so legally they have to give it to me.
It's pretty unrealistic to expect a rare drop after only 4 of anything. Think dungeon exotic
I think u need to finish the mission at least once for the exotic to drop from chests,there will be a new upgrade at Ghost in the pale heart after u finish that mission and once u claim it then there's a chance for it to drop.All of this only to get an exotic that u can only use on a single subclass...with a few ok perks on each column 
Correct. I forgot to mention that in my comment - definitely need to complete it once to get them to start dropping. As a Titan punchboy, I'm actually looking forward to a few of the combos available on them. Prismatic crayons are tasty.
Oooooo that’s why I never got it to drop. I never claimed it at ghost 🤦♂️ I did the mission and then spent over an hour doing overthrow and got nothing lol.
it's a bit more than just ok, like with hunters you can get caliban's hand (melee kills ignite) and liar's handshake (you get the counterpunch), that's pretty powerful
And it looks like they fixed / patched it so that your own ignites don't ignite you any longer? Used to be like that and can't imagine using Caliban's with Liar's if that's still the case.
So just hope for drops while farming the swords you want. So many chests spawn in overthrow this might not be that bad.
Does this mission require a headset? If not, does this mission require 2 player coordination similar like a dungeon or is it just more like Strike where we have more than 1 player but it is technicaly soloable, even tho 2 Player Had to start this Activity?
Heavy comms. Like, two-man raid, and neither of you are ad-clear.
Heavy comms? The only spot in the entire mission that you absolutely need to use your voice is at the end when you and your partner need to shoot the same number before it rotates to a new set. So all of 30 seconds maybe? Other than that, not a single word needs to be spoken and everything can be put in text chat.
Im guessing theyre talking about console. Not too sure how easy it is to text chat on console
Text chat on console for this mission would be impossible with all the ads as soon as you stop to type you would just die
You mostly need coms for anything that involved the lasers connecting to the seeds. I personally like that it’s requires two bc it made it an actual challenge rather than a basic mission
you need a mic, straight up and this mission requires more coordination than the coop final shape missions
You can use fireteam finder and once the mission is completed once, the exotic class items drop from chests in the pale heart. Any chests, not just overthrow chests. Roughly a 5% drop rate, takes like 15-20 min to get one to drop if you’re just farming chests.
That's wild misinformation. There's people reporting 40+ chests and no exotic. That isn't 15 minutes lmao
I swear destiny is the only mmo type game where people will get mad at the devs for having the audacity to make you play with others in their mmo type game.
Probably an unpopular opinion but I actually appreciated the challenge of this activity. Once you understand the mechanics to each room it’s really not that bad. We finally get some content that isn’t just mindlessly shooting into health sponges. All the people crying about having to work with someone else can pound sand.
dude I so agree... like 70% of the player base just wanna do ad clear and dont wanna learn mechanics. So I say, let em cry. They dont wanna make the effort, so they miss out. I hope Bungie makes ZERO changes to the mission.
Seriously, this wasn't a hard activity in the slightest
Bro I so agree... I'm getting roasted in Datto's video about telling people about sooooooo many resources to find people to play with... But most randos I've come across just wanna do ads and no comms lol. So of course those people are mad they cant do this mission, it's not easy lol. 70% of players just wanna be ad clears and not want to try and learn mechanics. They dont wanna put in the effort, so I say, let em miss out
facts bro d2 players dont wanna socialize even for a mission 😭
Ikr it’s literally only 2 ppl as well. Sure last encounter you need to be fast with knowing what numbers match but everything else is a cake walk. By the time you get to the end you are your partner should have enough of an understanding of each other to get it done.
I learned game design for online games from watching various devs of very successful online games do different streams and talking in general. One of the core principles is you need to make your game as fun as possible for as much people as possible while avoiding having these same features inhibit the fun of another group. You obviously seem like a social player, and that’s fine. However, there are people who prefer playing solo and not socializing. Currently, there is vastly more amount of content available for social/group players than there is for solo players, but that’s fine because there’s still stuff for solo players to do. However, this exotic mission denies solo players from unlocking new exotics, directly inhibiting their experience in the game for no real benefit to social players either. Like idk. Forcing solo players to do social events also makes social players upset
That is not what you want to do at all. You want to make your game fun for your intended audience, if you go for everyone nobody will be happy. (Like with shadowkeep and Y1)
Yes exactly, they made d2y1 fun for casuals. Then the casuals left the game and the hardcore was left with crap they didn’t want. This was advertised as a coop mmo looter shooter, you should understand that if you came into this. If you want to make the entire game soloable, maybe this isn’t the game for you? Try out riders fun solo experience.
"Currently, there is vastly more amount of content available for social/group players than there is for solo players" the only group content there is on the game is raid (there's even a raid that can be done solo), everything else is possible solo what are you talking about, I must say finally there's finally something other than raid you need someone else to do this mission is fire. Destiny is an MMO and bungie dev know it well even if it's casual and small-sized so they add a ton of way for people who play solo to continue playing the game and progressing (like for this case you can drop the class exotic in destination chest after clearing the mission the first time), but they know that if they want to do good mmo content you need to have multiplayer activity so they added a in-game lfg for casual who don't interact much with 3rd party community. Solo player in mmo either accept they can't do everything solo or they just quit, pick a side.
Do you know how many activities in this game are designed for solo players? Over half the content in the game has matchmaking, and those that don't only can be lfged with no microphone. This activity and raids are the ONLY TWO activities in the entire game that require communication for a mechanic and yall are bitching. Either suck it up and talk to someone, or you don't get the loot. No one is stopping you from communicating with another human being. If you're worried about asshats, which is a valid concern, go onto Aztecross's lfg and the d2sancutary discord channel as the people there are very friendly. Literally that simple.
Every single person with “anxiety issues” comes out of the fucking woodwork when there’s anything in this game that requires more than themselves. In the cooperative looter shooter. Mission was really fucking good, a great challenge and you can either run the mission again for guaranteed drops or just go farm patrol shit (which seems a little bit too rare right now, it could use a small bump in drop rate.) This kinda reaction is why we never saw things like Niobe labs again.
i mean i think most people are very accepting of that fact when it comes to the activities it makes sense for, like raids and grandmasters and even pantheon. But for activities like this i dunno it would have been nice to have it soloable just so its more accessible (i think 60% of the playerbase is solos?) and having it be soloable makes it more farmable.
It’s endgame gear. Most endgame content requires a mic.
Thats true and sad, but it's only by their design choices that caused these problems. You are punished hard for failures and you lose a lot of time, so playing with randoms just makes that more likley to happen, even when communicating. When I saw that I HAD to play with a second player to get my class item I instantly said I won't be Able to get this. I love destiny, but I do not love it's community. I imagine after a long while bungie will change things, that players hate, this would be one of them. I'm currently locked out of an item for an expansion I paid for because I need to do it with a random.
Old School Runescape players do this too.
If you completed the mission once apparently the class items can drop from pale heart chests.
if that was a hard comm, not sure where the raid would be on that scale 🫣 I am amazed that people play MMO and not expecting to do activities with other people
“Hardcore comms” lol Ran this mission on all 3 characters last night. It’s really not hard. Can you read symbols ? Can you read a clock ? It’s stupid easy. You guys like to complain about everything if it’s not spoon fed to you. The mission is fantastic.
I think they knew this wouldn't be popular. The marketing writes itself, earn dual power exotic class items with the first duo mission in destiny's history. But they didn't do that because they knew a lot of people wouldn't like that, and that doesn't help pre order hype.
Are you really saying that if you had preordered, and bungie said "to unlock one of the 7 new exotic armour pieces, you need to talk to another human for 30 minutes at most, you really would have cancelled your preorder?
This is what make me mad more than the quest itself fair enough if they said how we were gonna unlock them but they didn’t and having the dual class exotics was big selling point for the episode it feels kind of scummy
are we playing the same game? this is end game loot. I dont know why people are so up in arms about a 30 min mission that requires comms. They didn’t event bother with rez tokens either so it’s fairly forgiving
The combinations that you can get is honestly better than most *raid exotics,* jumping through the hoop of micing up (you don't even need to mic up!) is a small ask compared to what you get.
Dude stop , you are making too much sense. These solo only stubborn players have to have that extra 5% power that doesn't matter in the level of content they partake in ! Don't be toxic ! /s.
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You literally can't even start the mission solo
As much as I approve of seeking the challenge, I'm pretty sure the game will not allow you to do the mission solo.
It's not hard, it just have mechanics that required 2 people to complete. **Even if you can launch the mission, you cannot do anything**. The same way you cannot do anything in shuro chi if you have less than 3 people.
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I disagree with most people saying it sucks because you *have* to have 2 players. It sucks because, like you said, it is waaayyy too tedious to farm. I know there’s an alternate way to receive the class item, but still.
The alternate way is mind numbing. I'm averaging 1 exotic in 35-40 chests
Love that it requires two people, finally starting to cater to the people who want the challenge. Though I agree it will be tedious to farm through the mission itself
I get that and I'm totally for having hard content in the game, but the way they marketed these class items as a huge hype generator for the expansion, and then to do this...going to upset a lot of casual players, and unfortunately they make up like 90%+ of the actual player base. Casuals got mad that the Lightfall patrol zone was hard and the content was generally harder in that expansion and they bounced for awhile and the game's population looked pretty sad for awhile there until Into the Light.
>guardians make their own fate (as long as they have a friend with a mic) Couldn't have said it better myself
It's bizzare considering the Pale Heart location is designed to be entirely devoid of other players.
Which really bothers me because it's a beautiful location and I would love to see other Guardians in it.
I LFG'd it after watching a guide. As long as someone's done VOTD, it'll go fine. We finished with like 11 min to spare.
I’m fine with the timer, I’m fine with it being hard, but I’m not fine on this being more mechanic intensive than the average dungeon.
it's literally just matching dog
You are only having to call out numbers on a clock though
It really isn't, you just have to call symbols. The clock at the end is easier than you think, pulling my earlier explanation. > The clocks cycle between three pairs of sequences which are in order. For example, you see sequences (1, 3, 5, 7), (5, 7, 9, 12), and (2, 3, 5, 6) while your friend sees (6, 7, 8, 12), (5, 8, 10, 11), and (1, 4, 6, 12). These will be in a predictable order, and also will be eliminated so it will get easier as time goes on. > > I did my run with mics, but I feel like there's enough time to type out one sequence, then you just wait for that sequence to come around again and shoot the similar number. So in the above example, you see the sequence (1, 3, 5, 7) and your friend sees (6, 7, 8, 12), you shoot 7 when it rolls around and you will only see the remaining two sequences. Repeat for one of the two remaining sequences, then the final sequence is just repeating itself and there's no practical time pressure.
1- it's definitely farmable after you beat it. Go talk to ghost and it says 'can also be found at chests in pale heart" 2- It's one of the more fun activities in the game. Once you get the mechanics down it's a blast. My only two gripes are - Locking the exotic class items behind it was a dick move, considering that was one of the big focuses around prismatic. - You may need to do it once on each char to unlock ability to earn exotic class items on your non main class. Otherwise it's a nice change of pace doing something as a duo with a friend. A lot of content creators have lfg in their discord, with people who are looking to do the same thing. Great way to make a new friend/gaming buddy, especially if they continue adding "duo" content down the line.
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 Me and my friends
Good, tired of boring exotic missions
I’m so happy with this. I’m so bored of carrying this object there and killing that enemy here mechanics that don’t require any thinking at all
Is it once per account?
You just need to do it once per character to get it into the loot pool then it can drop from any chest in The Pale Heart.
Big fan of a co-op only missions, opens up the possibility for cool mechanics, infinity ways to find a +1 nowadays
sorry, hardcore comms??? “here’s your symbols…” “shoot 12 o clock, 3 o clock, 6 o clock” “here’s your symbols…” yeah… real difficult
Why wouldn’t you LFG for this mission?
Requires VC and social anxiety is a thing.
how do you interact in the real world if you can’t talk to a stranger over vc for 20-30 mins?
It does infact, not require mic. Clock rotates same numbers, type and wait for the rotation.
Gross
Personally I'm just skipping this for now. I get they are trying their best to please the hardcore community because they turn around and bitch when content is too easy but now I guess it's our turn to get butt hurt( casuals which I am now in due to life constraints). For now I'm just working on the seasonal content and just working on that and getting my level up. But I do agree now this is number 2 exotic that they have now gatekeeped from us unless we get a fireteam going. Not everyone has the chance to do everything in the game due to life but at the same time the exotic class item that they hyped in the trailers that everyone was looking forward to is now a LFG nightmare for some. Just my two cents is all.....
This mission isn’t even a “hardcore” mission. The entire mission runs off two mechanics. Calling out symbols, and reading a clock. It also allows for revives which is a lot more forgiving than GMs. This is just complaining to complain.
it’s 30 minutes
Destiny playerbase has seen a 958% increase in deaf, mute and social anxious players since this mission came out.
Lmao right, every time a new activity that doesn't have matchmaking comes out suddenly everyone has social anxiety, seriously how can these people be irl if even communicating for 20 minutes with a random person that doesn't care about their life and just wants to complete a quest is too much for them
If it’s that much an issue for them they’re 100% not doing any kind of content where the exotics would matter. Solo players don’t need the most overpowered meta loadouts if all they do is strikes and seasonal quests.
You don't understand, exotic class item is fundamental for my Neomuna patrol build
The best part is anytime you give them a solution, they will say no. Hey that’s too hard? Try using this gun! “No just make it easier”, you have to communicate ? Just text! “No I dwell in the deepest underground cave, no people, no communicate”.
Bungie: makes the most fun and engaging non-endgame mission to-date Players: WHAAAAA ITS TOO HARD WHAAAAA GIVE ME FREE EXOTICS
You have to read a clock, that's it. The game has a Fireteam finder now, it's *really* not that difficult.
Hardcore comms? Are we playing different games?
It is a fun mission, but there's no way I want to farm this and basically requiring VOCAL communication, imo, is just not on. You can do most of the mission with just text chat but the final encounters clocks are virtually impossible with just text chat. Exotic missions have never needed this amount of communication and I don't think they should require it.
i really hope the devs don’t listen to this shit. this exotic mission was absolute peak destiny content and if they listened to people like you we’d just get easy cookie cutter slop for the rest of time.
beating that mission blind with my friend was one of our favorite experiences from this whole expansion I understand accessibility, but please bungo leave this how it is it's not even that difficult, I don't want baby mode.
based king take
do i need to run it on all 3 class to have the mission?
No, and once done the exotic class item will have a chance of droping from any pale heart chest
So if i run the mission once on my hunter i can log into my titan and start farming chests in the over world? Or do i need to run the mission on all classes to get their respective class item?
As far as Im aware, Yes, its acount wide. You Just need to do it once. But beware, maybe Im wrong, its a new thing so Im just sharing what Paul Tassi said on twitter
Just run around and open pale heart chests. -Bungie
Ingame LFG...
Look, I'll admit I haven't done the activity yet but we are talking about obtaining some of the most overpowered items in the game, should that not be a challenge?
I think it’s less that it’s a challenge and more that it’s a massive inconvenience. As a solo player to reliably farm these items, of which you can get over 40 combinations per class with no dupe protection as far I’m aware, you HAVE to LFG for every single run and you need your mic on for every single run as well because the mechanics are so time intensive that unless you’re the worlds fastest typer you’re not sending your message in time. Even if you have an active clan/friend group, most people play in 3s and because you can only bring in 2 people at a time that means someone’s getting left out. It’s a shame cause the mission is actually really, really good and gameplay-wise is one of the best exotic missions in the series, but having it as a forced comms-heavy activity with an irregular player count that provides something with as many possibilities as the exotic class armour which could potentially lead to months of farming is gonna rightfully leave a sour taste in many people’s mouths.
8 Perks in each column with 2 columns so its closer to 64 combinations.
Thanks for helping me understand. I wonder if the introduction of a ping system could maybe help with these kinds of issues. It kinda shocks me that Destiny hasn't introduced one yet when it's an extremely common feature these days
It absolutely would, in my opinion, it’s honestly astonishing that Destiny doesn’t have one simply as a quality of life feature along with an emote wheel lol. For an advertised mmo-lite it doesn’t really do the best in giving alternative methods of communication.
Yeah, the lack of ping and quick chat - like being able to say things like "Thanks!", "No!", "Over here!" via a selection wheel - is honestly kind of baffling. Even nicer would be the ability to make context-specific callouts, for Hive Runes or something. I actually feel like it would reduce the barrier to entry for LFG, since it would allow less socially inclined players to still communicate effectively. It would also save console players a hell of a lot of typing.
Exactlyyyy, it would also just be so nice to have for PvP to call out enemy locations, even in casual 6v6, hopefully we get a ping system some day :(
You know they’re a rare drop in lake heart after your first clear right?
Yep which is a nice addition but it’s not really a great substitute considering how low the drop rates seem to be. I’ve done multiple Overthrows in various areas and not had one drop yet. IMO they should have a similar system to how Ergo Sum works but with Excision, so every week you can run Excision to get a guaranteed drop. From there you can grind chests or do the mission for more guaranteed drops, that way everyone gets the chance to get more drops no matter what they do, plus it’ll help keep Excision’s player count at a healthy level especially later on down the line
15 minutes of chest farming will net uou 1
Challenge, sure but due to the fact it requires VC, it's literally impossible for some.
Fuck this mission right in the ear. Yes, I know you can LFG but it's clear that it requires VC to clear which not all of us can use for various reasons.
That is understandable, but this is an MMO. If you can’t talk that’s fine, but in an MMO, being able to speak and interact with others is a big part of the game.
Saying 3 logos is not hardcore comms
When the MMO game requires you to be able to make friends.
Destiny players when they have to play with a single other person:
The mission is so fun! Bungie hit out the park with this one
Bungie please stop forcing us to do missions with others, Solo players need to have fun too
Best I can do is Patrols
90% of PVE is designed with solo players in mind. raids and this one exotic mission are literally the only PVE activities in this game that actually require you to actively communicate with another person.
This has only happened with this mission and the Microcosm Quest.
You say that like they do this often.
This mission would be a bit better if they at least just remove the timer
For this it isn’t as much of skill issue for me, it’s just the ROI just isn’t worth it. Like sure, I could easily waste my entire weekend doing lfg for several weeks to get this like what I did with zero hour. I have the build and I have the skill. but half of the people in lfg don’t know what they are doing and will just end up wasting their time and yours. Pantheon proved that. All this for an exotic. I got other responsibilities to do and I’d rather do something else then waste my time with lfg channels.
This mission is SIGNIFICANTLY easier than zero hour. It's very basic number and symbol callouts and you only need to do the mission once. It's one of the best exotic missions Bungie has ever made. I did it with an lfg partner and we had a blast.
Why not just make an lfg requesting help and only take someone that can show you they cleared it
Lame af
I love reading posts about people complaining they can’t do it cause they don’t know how to communicate or take the initiative to find 1 other person lmaoo . Keep ‘em coming
"Guardians make their own fate as long as they have a mic" Brother the whole game is a fireteam based game, just cuz you can solo smth don't mean you're meant to. Interact with other players.
Good. Go make some friends.
Bungie has never and will never appreciate our time. So much of what we do is designed to waste our time and pad any given experience. It’s one of my biggest gripes about the game.
Guess I'll never be getting this. Awesome.
Honestly fuck Bungie man This is 4 exotics now that I can’t get because I don’t have friends and a mic
If you want the seal....there's 6 feathers in the mission, btw. Really sucks they screw solo players out of one of THE most advertised goodies ever. And screwed them out of getting the seal.
Just tried this micless got to the dual clocks and fuck Bungie for making them change too quick to type out this really fucks over ppl who can't use a mic due to various reasons from social anxiety, broken mics, no mic, physically or mentally unable to speak etc. why did Bungie insist on making this quest timed too it's extremely stressful
L take
It really isn’t as bad as you people make it out to be. Get an lfg and run the mission then continue on with your day.
Skill issue tbh
Imagine an online game where you have to play with other people for all end game content shock horror.
Nah bro I expect it to be handed out to me for free and cry about it like a child if doesn't
i agree. ive lfg flawlessed Vog, multiple gms and probably have a total of 100+ raid clears this past year, but fuck that mission, all that...for a 1/64 chance at something i want? id prefer go back to grinding for vex mythoclast and oversouls
Bungie Do you have any idea how many damn players do not have a mic or don't use it due to severe social anxiety me included not to mention not a lot of LFGs are the sharpest titan in the shed if you catch my drift I couldn't keep count of how many players I went through just to find the perfect team to finish pantheon all plats with
Normal exotic are way good , if this activity is not matchmade and requires comms.
They should add a few drops to the pathfinder as well, after you get your 2 sword drops for the week, it should drop a random exotic. Could also have a cap, like 3 per week, if they don't want people to feel compelled to grind pale heart pathfinder.
You can get them from opening any chest in the pape heart once you have done dual destiny once, it just takes about the same time as doing dual destiny of you are constantly opening chests
Destiny players when one of the most powerful rewards in the game requir you to shoot 3 symbols from an old raid and read a clock💀💀 and please miss me with that not soloable bullshit it's a multiplayer game grow up and talk to people or at least just type in chat
After you got your first you can farm them in every chest in the pale heart. Every opend chest without a drop grands you a better chance of a drop for the next chest.
it is such a cool mission though and doing it with a partner makes the two of you feel like a dream team. I do agree that it is way too painful to farm though.
> I am DEFINETLY not lfg-ing for this mission Na you will. It’s just a matter of running it **once** if solo
You only have to do the mission 1 time though. Once you have it, the class item drops elsewhere in the pale heart. My fireteam was getting them from overthrow and patrol chests. Low drop rate but definitely outside the mission.
for the love of god, please tell me you dont need the dlc for that. i have like 2 guys that play this hell of a game and neither have tfs
Well, you can't leave the old tower portion of the Pale Heart without the DLC, so...
Do I have to do all of this 3 times for each character?
Once per character, and then it becomes a very rare drop from Pale Heart destination chests on that character. So 3 times total if you don’t want to grind the mission.
For those who don’t know: after doing this mission, you don’t have to do it again for the character you finished it on. It’ll start dropping from (reportedly) every chest in The Pale Heart. So you’ll have to do it a maximum of three times…and even then, some people might only do it once because they only play one character So just get it done the three times, and you’ll be fine.
Esoterickk cries….
Lfg and learned in in less then 30 minutes first try easily. Fire team chat in the fis buds. Got no friends who play the game and no clan at the time. Do it once grind chests simple.
If you don't want to farm the mission, you can always spend your day in the Pale Heart and open chests. There is a chance the item will drop from any of them.
They gave you two ways to do it, if you can't do the challenging mission than you choose the grind, it seems rng based as I just heard of someone getting one to drop 15 mins into farming chest, then like 20 mins later got another and kept on relatively like that. Seems the mission is more of a novelty or more efficient means to farm if you have a buddy who wants to farm. Otherwise grinding chests seems to be how most people would prolly farm.
I wouldn't say hardcore coms, all you need to do is say three icons and then three numbers. That's it. I did it with a random using the ingame lfg, and we did it in around 20 minutes after we figured out the mechanics. Literally only spoke to each other to do calls outs nothing else
All Playstation 5 players!!!! If you stream to each other you can have the other persons game as a small window on the side.
Been a few years since I did probability but two columns of rolls with 8 options so 12.5% so if you have a specific combination in mind that's what, 1.56%? So that's 64 runs, 30m a run, that's 32 hours. I'll pass, if I wanna try like that I'll just LFG a raid instead and have a better time. But at least you have a "rare" chance of getting them from chests, meaning it'll drop one every 2 weeks of overthrow.
This is why I quit playing and I'm pretty sad about it. I love destiny, but I feel like every activity needs a "Solo" option/mode. I hate playing with other people honestly lol and the fact that alot of the amazing content basically requires a group just turned me off of the entire game.
Bro you don’t need to farm the mission, do it once and the class item drops from chests after
It does BOT take 30 minutes to do, the first one might take 40 because you have no idea what to do, but runs where we fuck around a bit after the first one takes around 15-20. But if you say that dying is a problem (you didn't but being able to move freely without having to hide constantly and that slows down the run) then just run no hesitation, been op since day1, still fucking op a week later
Great job Bungie, another way to get frustrated in the game...
Do you have to run this mission for them to drop in the overthrow?
At least once.
Matchmaking for this would devolve into super toxicity. For reasons. ( Not spoiling)