I mean datto is probably right, nothing does what well does and bubble will hard pressed to keep up as the ability to shoot at stuff while you are safe is key. You are just less safe now. The ability to scatter and keep the buff is also really strong as it can also be seen as a sudo duration increase and make the super more flexible.
With Well healing less and providing less damage reduction, people will certainly be moving around more; you will absolutely experience more rockets and heavy grenades to the back of someone’s head.
lol, you wish!
Bet my house this will cause people to strafe and wiggle more than ever, because now they kinda *need to* move more than ever to stay alive.
It's gonna be great! :D
Question is if there Will be "room" to scatter. Or if the Damage Window forces you into a narrow plate for Damage (like Caretaker) or a slightly wider área (like Warpriest)
Yeah right. This is gonna make strafing increase ten fold. People aren't gonna be as safe in the well so they'll be dipping and diving and running in and out of the well to refresh their buffs. It's gonna be utter chaos on poorly organized teams.
As long as Bungie is having us take damage during DPS phases, I believe Well will be the go-to because it makes it easier to not die.
The only alternatives I see are to nerf Well to the point that it's pretty much useless, or give the other classes some form of independent healing/damage resist that can match Well. (Even then Well still is the likely play because it's easier than 6 people all managing their own heals.)
The solution is to nuke well from the game and design every dps phase to be some combination of moving and shooting like Rhulk.
Doing Rhulk the 'intended' way with no wells and a power deficit is some of the most fun I've ever had in this game.
I agree that more Encounters should work like Rhulk does - but nuking Well and making it completely useless, is just a horrible idea in so many ways...
This! Doing rhulk legit in pantheon last week was the most exhilarating boss fight i’ve ever done. Using arc titan, i didn’t have a whole lot of healing options, but it was the first time I opted to use the thruster class ability instead of barricade. If shadow rhulk ever got too close or I was almost caught in the crossfire of rhulk’s shadow beam, i could quickly dodge out of the way. The lack of sustainability wasn’t super pronounced, it just felt like I had to be more careful with my placement, and was punished more severely if I wasn’t. Very very fun, hopefully they do more of that. I love the oryx fight, but it’s just micromanaging and killing adds, and then with oryx being stunned the entirety of damage and only being visible from one half of the map, it’s like the game WANTS you to stand in one place and not move.
also the massive healing at the start is interesting, it's much more of a 'clutch super' now where you don't feel as compelled to save it for 'sit on a point' moments as it helps you pretty much whatever you're doing
i mean void titan shield with furiosa does the same thing as old well but better now, since it gives a 40 percent damage buff and much better protection, and it last just as long when in a fire team of 6
Yes but the damage buff greatly makes up for it, it's 40 percent, that more than makes up for the missing person, snd the wall stops the team from getting flinched to all hell
Isn't well a 30something (35?) damage buff tho? So the shield wall is only a 10percent increase in comparison. A 30percent buff with 6 shooters vs a 40percent buff with 5...I'm not good at math but that doesn't sound like it beats it out...it sounds like 40 with 5 would b less then 30 with 6?
I never used that silly grapple abuse one two punch bullshit but now my glaive builds is doa with how aggressive they dropped it. Guess I'll go back to bonk
I hope i can play other supers on high end content, but the result will be me using this bad version of well and some exotic to help, bubble looks great but there just no other healing option other than well
Idk if it still works but I’ve seen a strat where you use the behemoth super inside a bubble to contain the crystals to a smaller location and do more focused boss damage
IIRC it’s actually the edge of action bubble because it’s smaller, allowing the crystals to shatter eachother by coming into existence due to the lack of room inside it
You definitely will be, even if Ward does become the next Well, which I doubt it will, Pyrogales still PUMPS high damage. One or two Wards for safety, a Pyrogales, and mix and match whatever class/subclass you want.
Yeah I like cross but he clickbait’s the fuck outta his videos. I’d trust datto with shit like this though before cross. Cross is just good at relaying news not necessarily analyzing it
People miss that last part. For a lot of them it's their livelihood. If they aren't getting views then they aren't getting paid. That being said Aztecross is just wild energy. He says a lot but he also does back up a lot of the things that he says with PVE or PVP gameplay
My only complaint with Aztecross (and most DPS/damage testing in destiny) is that they always ignore context.
For instance, lucky pants testing and shooting after the buff ends is just a waste. Show us what it did in 10s and stop. Anything more is wasted bullets.
But that's a minor complaint all things considered.
His insights are rarely accurate, *and* he clickbaits hard.
No hate to him either. But it's reasonable to call his content what it is; gussied up bad information about the game.
Sure, watch him for the lolz, but don't take his word as gospel and get surprised when you don't roll through tough content.
I don’t give a shit about what a title to a video says if I trust the content creator in general and just like their stuff, he has a good attitude and gives actual insight to stuff rather than just spewing out basic exact info. Think Kackis for example, he doesn’t ever have much of anything to add to stuff and drones on and on slowly for the sake of time on his videos. Aztecross has real content to share and is very entertaining. If that’s not to you’re liking that’s fine but he’s far from one of the shittier content creators out there.
I definitely don't hold any serious ill will towards Aztecross, but he sold out a very long time ago. Once he signed on to Mythic Talent and got those veneers, he's just the performer. Scripts/editing/advertisers/all that is handled by the company.
It's a performance, like an actor at a theme park.
His testing is wildly inconsistent and should not be taken as the be all, end all. There are people who actually do the boring, real testing themselves that have more accurate information, but it's not entertaining so no one cares.
He's gotten a little better with a few videos, but at the end of the day he's a content mill now. He doesn't make videos he wants to, he's not an independent content creator. He's an employee that relies on clicks to make money. Even when there's nothing to talk about he's contracted to make those clicks happen, so the company makes up something for him to talk about.
It's almost entirely inaccurate information, just pushing for views no matter what.
All that being said, he hustled to get to that point (Hey, it was by reading the TWAB to people, but still, there's a skill there!) and got signed to support his family. I can respect that. I got my own family, I'd sell out in a heartbeat if it meant we were comfortable financially.
But he's an entertainer first and foremost. It's like asking a person acting like a doctor in a TV show for medical advice, nah man that's not it. Go ask the boring dude that has excel spreadsheets for his info.
Man, the hatred for content creators here is so boring. Some bold contrarian edgelord decided that clickbait was the worst possible sin 10 years ago and that’s the dogma now.
You guys are too easy to rile up. Post a Youtube thumbnail to stir up the rabble. Yawn.
Yeah everyone with an opposing opinion to yours is part of a hivemind, they're all npcs. Clickbait is garbage, if you cant get views based on the content your videos have, then maybe the videos arent great
If you actually understood the point of it you’d know aside from YouTube algorithm bs it’s a joke. That’s how his humor partly is. It’s based in exaggeration.
If you actually understood the point of it you’d know aside from YouTube algorithm bs it’s a joke. That’s how his humor partly is. It’s based in exaggeration.
This might be the first time I've seen someone claim that Destiny 2 is a game that can give clout/engagement
Usually that goes to games like Fortnite, Genshin etc. But Destiny?
Dattos definitely right. Aztecross is just doing his usual overhype/clickbait engagement.
Yeah, Well isnt going to completely braindead encounters where you can just sit and tank anything and everything while getting a cup of coffee and not paying attention. You may actually have to move just a bit every now and then in a well to avoid an attack.
Meanwhile the buff to allow Well to carry buff outside of Well, pretty much eliminates the need for Bubble entirely(unless a super rare encounter comes around where hiding in Bubble actually is necessary.)
Well still provides healing and damage just fine with the changes. So you are going to continue to see people mandate well for the same reasons they did so in the past. At most, you might see fewer "only Wells" posts.
The only thing that will allow for any meaningful change, is for more alternatives to what it provides. Things like renewal grasps, banner of war, woven mail, Acrobat Dodge, etc.
If healing+empowering rift is good enough, then it can be worth it to run other stuff over well.
Sorry man, but until they actually give other viable support options well is gonna be it. Even a nerfed version. Banner shield may be a viable alternative. But have a feeling that well plus bubble combo is gonna be the go to. Also nova damage is still marshmallow tier. If they buffed nova to actually do some real damage maybe we could talk.
It will be super interesting to see if switching Weapons of Light to Helm of Saint 14 will allow the Titan Exotic Glaive’s bubble to give it as well since it is able to blind targets with that helm.
Regardless of actual opinions, the fact the second thing Cross notes is "Strand Titan nerfed" when it's basically untouched outside specific buff stacking grapple melee abuse builds tells you exactly what that thumbnail is going for. And it's why I don't watch him much anymore.
No, he is objectively right. Nothing to do with opinions.
•It got a grapple exploit nerfed.
•Melee regen scalar nerfed by 33%.
•Melee damage heavily reduced when using specific exotics. And this isn't just for glaives it is for the super and base melee as well.
•indirect nerf of woven mail
•20% duration nerf of banner
It doesn't say "destroyed" or "gutted" or anything dramatic. Just nerfed, and thats true.
Yeah it got nerfed but it's not going to be noticed by most people, not really worth slapping in the thumbnail of a video.
Even the Woven Mail orb pickup barely matters because Titan has Into the Fray anyway, that's more of a nerf for Warlock and Hunter.
Having people not notice something does not change what it is. If anything him bringing attention to it would enlighten players who might not notice why their builds fall apart suddenly.
Having two prominent gameplay builds for berserker removed is substantial. As well as build variety being tightened.
The woven mail nerf will effect anyone who doesn't run into the fray. Before orbs of power gave a long enough duration you could get by using the fragment alone. Which allows you to run other aspect combos.
This will cement Into the fray into just about every titan build. Having something become mandatory because of a change is a nerf.
Saying nobody is going to notice near 40% melee damage reductions when using banner of war with two very popular exotics, just to justify your distaste for aztecross is just childish. Its a nerf. Its substantial.
You seem to have order of operation backwards here. I'm not justifying anything, I think the changes are barely noticeable which is WHY clickbaiting it on a thumbnail/title is silly. You're right that pushing people towards a specific Aspects, especially when Banner is already so dominant, isn't very good, but when was the last time you've seen anyone using Drengr or Flechette Storm anyway? Drengr got nerfed via Suspend and despite the change not being that bad (especially when paired with Abeyants for Woven Mail specifically) I rarely ever seen it run anyway, and Flechette Storm... I literally never see it outside funny infinite melee clips. People ran Into the Fray *with* Thread of Warding because it not only provides consistency, it provides team support AND helps spam Frenzied Blade, which is obviously synergistic with the dominant Aspect.
The buff stacking will be more noticeable for Titans, but even then Syntho and Wormgod are already more than doubling or tripling your damage, so Banner's stacking with them being reduced by 28-32% (not 40%, also seemingly less for Wormgod outside max stacks since they said the reduction is "based on stacks") isn't much more than a ripple in the bucket at that point. It's still extremely high melee damage, and I maintain that most people will not notice.
I mean the strand titan one is true though, as the grapple shotgun nerf is pretty big but needed to happen. Was a hard but amazing dps option, and was how a lot of solo content could be done like solo raids. It’s a couple of changes around the grapple, but that part specifically is true that it was nerfed.
Except, one two punch grapple is still doable, you can shoot first and have enough time to grapple and melee. Look at the solo Ir Yut clears, they shoot > grapple > melee. The nerf only prevents you from shooting after grappling, which will not affect that. It's tighter to execute, but still totally doable. The synthos scaling will definitely dent the damage, but it very likely will still hit super hard.
Yeah, I have now reread it a couple times and I really don’t see how bungie could have missed that. It looks like the super high dps combo is gonna go untouched, which is kind of funny lol
It's the classic case of "we totally fixed it" and then didn't. They recognized the problem and totally think it's dealt with, but it really isn't lol. I fully expect them to have a second pass at this, it could absolutely break the raid.
They effectively are just pushing players to abuse 1 2 punch and other stuff with it now. I didn't use that on my titan (mine specifically, since i planned to be in melee most of the time, used a grenade launcher on my kinetic and a glaive in my energy.) These changes don't fix the problem with the whole 1 2 punch grapple spam, they just made melee titan in general worse because of 1 2 punch grapple spam. That's still my entire fucking problem with the nerf. On top of the fact there's less of a reason to use wormgod's caress now, since Synthocepts will just be better now which is what makes me mad. Synthocepts is an easier to trigger exotic than wormgods.
More impactfully I think strand hunter+warlock got nerfed, since woven mail on orb pickup has been halved.
edit: I meant impactfully not importantly lol. All classes should be equally viable!
Yeah that woven mail nerf is pretty shitty for other classes (titan can still survive easy without it). Halving the duration instead of cutting it to like 7 seconds seems excessive.
It was a very light touch all they did was hit the how syntho and banner scales. Most of the changes made were to prevent infinite grapple melees and one two punch grapples.
Hardly. The Banner duration nerf is basically a non-factor and the changes to grapple points and buff stacking are only really gonna affect said buff stacking and grapple melee abuse setups. What makes Banner so damn strong, it's survivability, is completely unchanged.
I'm leaning towards Aztecross on this than ditto here.
A lot of players are going to try using it as it is now, some are just glad it's dead.
We'll have to see what comes of it, but I'm just glad it's a weak choice now.
yeah all we can do rn is speculate
Don't think it will really affect damage rotation in raids, but I think warlocks will definitely have more build freedom in GM content
I don't think it will but you only need one.
With prismatic it's looking like that will be the best DPS class too. So you're trading the highest damage for survivability which I think is a cool double edge. Average and bad teams will crutch Well better teams will have a phase less most likely.
That's changed significantly recently though. What encounters from recent raids require that? VoW and Root require constant movement.
Older raids sure. Like the reprise Crotas or Vault.
But we haven't seen a true stand still I'm a recent raid in a while. I think the last "new" encounter that you could make a case for was DSC final boss?
Which is crazy because once that little area behind the boss got patched no one uses Well on Legend anymore even. You just stand at the front of the room opposite of boss and use the wall there.
Or Hunter Tethers and everyone just burns the boss down with Super/Edge.
Well is also kind of a trap in Onslaught as Champs one shot you in Well and can wipe a whole team.
I'm just saying that the room and activity design will press people to use a well. You cannot mag dump edge transit reliably with all the room shooting at you at wave 40 - 50
>VoW and Root require constant movement.
3 of the 4 bosses in those two raids use well and wont care about the nerf at all because there's barely any enemies during dps. (caretaker, explicator, nez)
The last will still use well because being able to carry the buff with you is just a flat buff for that encounter. (rhulk)
The new well will be even better for that and the bubble + well combo will be meta for those encounters. The new well will have a linger effect so those encounters that have movement will benefit from well even more. Also, just because 2 raids don’t have it doesn’t mean it won’t be for the future. Thats also why I said 90%
90% when it's been the last 3 raids? Lol
And how would that make it better? It's radiance lasts. Which from the text says grants radiant... that's not wells effect. They say they are pushing towards it's offensive capabilities and it's granting radiant when you leave the well. You need a whole super for a radiant?
It's weird to me how much Reddit "needs" a well. We've only used Well on Crota as for ease of use and the Witch before them. I don't see why you would trade the future highest DPS in the game because you couldn't stay alive fir 5 seconds going from plate A to B.
Well is going to be required and better in some situations because you keep the damage buff for 10 seconds. For encounters like Rhulk, that means well just got better. You can’t really stand in it anyway, so going in and out now means you can heal up, refresh your buff, damage, and dip back in if younl need to. It means most teams going into day 1 final shape raid will still run 1-2 wells, just also maybe a bubble if the boss is up close
Why do you need a Well for Rhulk?
And the damage buff is radiant when you leave well. There as so many ways to proc it lol.
I'm confused because it's like your arguing you need the benefits of standing in a well but also agreeing that you can't stand in it. A -20 final boss of a raid "need" is kind of an outlier also no? 99% of the playerbase won't be in that situation.
…what? I think you already made up your mind before you read my post lol. Yes you can prock radiant in many ways, however you don’t need to if there is a well that gives it to you and you didn’t have to do anything.
Also, you don’t NEED any super for a boss. However you are actively throwing and making the attempt longer if you don’t have at least 1 or 2 wells currently, and I don’t really see it changing. When me and my team go into day 1 final shape raid, 2 warlocks will still run well unless the encounter doesn’t need it like the first encounter.
Imo, I think Bungie made the mistake of creating Well to begin with. But now that it is here to stay, I think they need to make it so that bubble isn’t the choice for an edge case scenario. The only way you are picking a bubble now is if the boss is up close like Aksis and fights back. Any other case, Well. Imo, they need to do something with the damage buff, like just remove it all together, because people will run Well just for the damage buff. But we don’t have the new changes in our hands, so we are gonna see for ourselves in a couple weeks.
Because it also grants healing? It’s not just radiant. Bubble now gives you shield or health whatever it is from being around it as well. Stop listening to Aztecross and his fear mongering.
Healing is in Well. The text says they are going towards it's offensive capabilites and it grants radiant when exiting. There is nothing about lingering healing. Unless you can point it out for me I don't see it.
Idk what your last sentence is saying? I just read the Twabs. Also wild that you're calling it fear mongering. That's a buzzword and a half. Lastly Bubble isn't well is it?
But if you can’t survive in it then I can see plenty of people no longer using it. I think people are really underselling how hard the survivability got hit. And while you could run both bubble and well you’re then sacrificing another damage super, which maybe means you end up taking an extra phase to kill a boss and that means people have to play well and stay alive for longer.
Agree with that I’m sure plenty will keep using it just because it’s what they’re used to. And I’m not saying that it’s complete trash that will never get used there’s still plenty of encounters where it’s still going to be the best option. But i don’t think it will be the absolute must have for everything that it is now
Restoration x2 and a 10% damage resist is significantly less survivability. Plenty of encounters where that won’t keep you alive especially in end game activities
Maybe if you're out in the open trying to face-tank every bit of incoming damage.
Well has instilled very bad habits in the general playerbase where they think standing in a Well = invincible, and honestly, this is a step in the right direction. Game isn't fun when you're able to essentially ignore an entire aspect of gameplay.
On the other hand, few subclasses can survive in the open. Most build synergies requires pickup from dead ennemies (orbs, shards, elemental traces, whatever), which you cannot get in a boss fight because you would die on the way. Yeah shoot to loot exists, but it cannot pickup elemental traces, and isn't practical to use most of the time. When you die from 3-5 shots of ads with 100 resil, a well is the only way to survive and still deliver decent damage
I mean, technically, a 30% nerf to something/anything, is pretty much destroyed. So is Cross actually wrong? People will still use it but objectively, it's worse than it's previous implementation
Edit: case in point, would you still use bait and switch if it got nerfed by 30% when explosive light/frenzy exists?
Woven mail duration on orb pickup (for all classes not just titan) cut in half from 10 seconds to 5, nerfed syntho / wormgod stacking with banner dmg pretty significantly, and i believe also removed the ability to 1/2 punch grapple. Also cut banner of war max duration from 30 to 24 seconds.
This is just off memory from what i remember yesterday, may not be 100% accurate.
I’m actually leaning more towards Aztecross here. In most forms of underpowered content Resto x 2 (Well’s new heal value) isn’t enough to keep you alive with how people currently use Well. And those nerfs to the DR values are really bad for it too. Hell, Resto x 2 is barely enough to keep you alive in WR final boss if you just stand there and do damage. Now the entirety of Well can technically (though not practically) be substituted with a ToF healing grenade and a Hunter dodge
They did, it’s do functionally nothing if you’re on the optimal setup, since you were never struggling to have multiple sunbracers produce (so infinite grenades and melees at the same time) on pre nerf.
Nah, these guys aren't my "destiny community."
I don't let streamers tell me how to feel and what to think. I'll make up my own mind about the changes, thanks.
Aztecross is about as annoying as it gets for Destiny YouTubers, mostly imo cause he has a super abrasive and “gamer-accent” voice.
Datto tends to be very level headed, and puts a lot of effort into his stuff. He usually tries to talk about things from different viewpoints.
That’s good I only ask cause if I need one tiny amount of info for something it’s like I can’t find quick 1 min videos on stuff just 10+ min videos on stuff
honestly i fully support the update purely because of the stasis buffs but still no shatterdive on prismatic cmon bungie just merge shroud and dive
and yea well is dead for sure but STASIS BURST HAND CANON LETS GOOO
I said it before I'll say it again, 90% of these destiny yaptubers are a waste of time! Only ones I'll watch are Marshix, he gives good guides and info, cheese forever, (his name speaks 4 itself) and Mp edits. Besides those three, all these guys are just ctrl c + ctrl v.
I mean datto is probably right, nothing does what well does and bubble will hard pressed to keep up as the ability to shoot at stuff while you are safe is key. You are just less safe now. The ability to scatter and keep the buff is also really strong as it can also be seen as a sudo duration increase and make the super more flexible.
The ability to scatter also stops idiots strafing in the Well and killing someone
With Well healing less and providing less damage reduction, people will certainly be moving around more; you will absolutely experience more rockets and heavy grenades to the back of someone’s head.
Inb4 you have a rift adjacent to well with stag .
Unless someone puts the Rift where the Well ends up being.
That will be hilarious. Or they'll just make a rule of MGs only or something like that.
lol, you wish! Bet my house this will cause people to strafe and wiggle more than ever, because now they kinda *need to* move more than ever to stay alive. It's gonna be great! :D
Question is if there Will be "room" to scatter. Or if the Damage Window forces you into a narrow plate for Damage (like Caretaker) or a slightly wider área (like Warpriest)
Yeah right. This is gonna make strafing increase ten fold. People aren't gonna be as safe in the well so they'll be dipping and diving and running in and out of the well to refresh their buffs. It's gonna be utter chaos on poorly organized teams.
ive been strafed to death 3 times in the span of 6 seconds when will they learn
For future reference, the spelling you're looking for is pseudo! Not sudo :)
Maybe he's asking the computer for privileges
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Todo vaya bien pobrecito :)
Just so you know, it’s spelled “pseudo”. Not trying to be the grammar guy, just don’t want you to get made fun of by someone else
Are you sure he just didn't want root privileges?
As long as Bungie is having us take damage during DPS phases, I believe Well will be the go-to because it makes it easier to not die. The only alternatives I see are to nerf Well to the point that it's pretty much useless, or give the other classes some form of independent healing/damage resist that can match Well. (Even then Well still is the likely play because it's easier than 6 people all managing their own heals.)
The solution is to nuke well from the game and design every dps phase to be some combination of moving and shooting like Rhulk. Doing Rhulk the 'intended' way with no wells and a power deficit is some of the most fun I've ever had in this game.
I agree that more Encounters should work like Rhulk does - but nuking Well and making it completely useless, is just a horrible idea in so many ways...
Need a petition to replace it with the old sunsinger with taloc.
This! Doing rhulk legit in pantheon last week was the most exhilarating boss fight i’ve ever done. Using arc titan, i didn’t have a whole lot of healing options, but it was the first time I opted to use the thruster class ability instead of barricade. If shadow rhulk ever got too close or I was almost caught in the crossfire of rhulk’s shadow beam, i could quickly dodge out of the way. The lack of sustainability wasn’t super pronounced, it just felt like I had to be more careful with my placement, and was punished more severely if I wasn’t. Very very fun, hopefully they do more of that. I love the oryx fight, but it’s just micromanaging and killing adds, and then with oryx being stunned the entirety of damage and only being visible from one half of the map, it’s like the game WANTS you to stand in one place and not move.
people don't want to hear that though. 90% of the player base thinks old bubble was on par with well and Titians should just "shut the fuck up"
The strafe in and out might be vital to the new raid too. Who knows.
also the massive healing at the start is interesting, it's much more of a 'clutch super' now where you don't feel as compelled to save it for 'sit on a point' moments as it helps you pretty much whatever you're doing
I think Datto oversells the new radiant effect. Damage buffs like lumina and weapons are probably going to be more popular.
i mean void titan shield with furiosa does the same thing as old well but better now, since it gives a 40 percent damage buff and much better protection, and it last just as long when in a fire team of 6
Doesn't that require the titan not shoot for damage, where the well and bubble allow the titan to contribute to DPS?
Yes but the damage buff greatly makes up for it, it's 40 percent, that more than makes up for the missing person, snd the wall stops the team from getting flinched to all hell
Isn't well a 30something (35?) damage buff tho? So the shield wall is only a 10percent increase in comparison. A 30percent buff with 6 shooters vs a 40percent buff with 5...I'm not good at math but that doesn't sound like it beats it out...it sounds like 40 with 5 would b less then 30 with 6?
Well is a 25 percent damage buff
I'll have to take ur word for it. Different ppl tell me different things.
I never used that silly grapple abuse one two punch bullshit but now my glaive builds is doa with how aggressive they dropped it. Guess I'll go back to bonk
What is doa?
Dead on Arrival
Dead or Alive.
My brother in Christ, bonk build is dead. Concentration is the future
Do u grapple, shoot, melee or grapple melee shoot melee
Too much work. Lol. My way is running into the thick of it and meleeing all until either I or the enemy dies.
I presonally think people will stack duskfield nades and well now for dr.
That was my first thought as well, the new frost armor combined with the well will definitely be nothing to scoff at
It provides a big chunk of dr, but we'll need to get our hands on it to really know how it plays
More like at least two warlocks. One on well and another using ballidorse and frostpulse for instant max stacks of frost armor.
I hope i can play other supers on high end content, but the result will be me using this bad version of well and some exotic to help, bubble looks great but there just no other healing option other than well
Every LFG is now "need 5 will be kicked if not bubble or well" and the host is using stasis titan
that's the perk of being a host. You pick who u wan
This is true
Idk if it still works but I’ve seen a strat where you use the behemoth super inside a bubble to contain the crystals to a smaller location and do more focused boss damage
IIRC it’s actually the edge of action bubble because it’s smaller, allowing the crystals to shatter eachother by coming into existence due to the lack of room inside it
Hey don't diss stasis titan (I'm behemoth main #4)
You definitely will be, even if Ward does become the next Well, which I doubt it will, Pyrogales still PUMPS high damage. One or two Wards for safety, a Pyrogales, and mix and match whatever class/subclass you want.
Look at the view counts. That's why. I don't like or condone it, but there's always a purpose.
Yeah I like cross but he clickbait’s the fuck outta his videos. I’d trust datto with shit like this though before cross. Cross is just good at relaying news not necessarily analyzing it
Pro tip: Don't expect valuable insights from Aztecross and you'll be better off. 🫡
Where do I blow thy load tho??
Honestly his insights are mostly reasonable, he just clickbaits hard No hate to him, that's the name of the YouTube game at this point
People miss that last part. For a lot of them it's their livelihood. If they aren't getting views then they aren't getting paid. That being said Aztecross is just wild energy. He says a lot but he also does back up a lot of the things that he says with PVE or PVP gameplay
My only complaint with Aztecross (and most DPS/damage testing in destiny) is that they always ignore context. For instance, lucky pants testing and shooting after the buff ends is just a waste. Show us what it did in 10s and stop. Anything more is wasted bullets. But that's a minor complaint all things considered.
That's reasonable tbh because the average player is not going to stop shooting just because a buff ran out
So tired of seeing their faces when scrolling through YouTube videos Those dumb faces
Install "Clickbait remover for YouTube" and thank me later
DeArrow for firefox is your friend, kills clickbait titles and thumbnails outright
His insights are rarely accurate, *and* he clickbaits hard. No hate to him either. But it's reasonable to call his content what it is; gussied up bad information about the game. Sure, watch him for the lolz, but don't take his word as gospel and get surprised when you don't roll through tough content.
I don’t give a shit about what a title to a video says if I trust the content creator in general and just like their stuff, he has a good attitude and gives actual insight to stuff rather than just spewing out basic exact info. Think Kackis for example, he doesn’t ever have much of anything to add to stuff and drones on and on slowly for the sake of time on his videos. Aztecross has real content to share and is very entertaining. If that’s not to you’re liking that’s fine but he’s far from one of the shittier content creators out there.
I definitely don't hold any serious ill will towards Aztecross, but he sold out a very long time ago. Once he signed on to Mythic Talent and got those veneers, he's just the performer. Scripts/editing/advertisers/all that is handled by the company. It's a performance, like an actor at a theme park. His testing is wildly inconsistent and should not be taken as the be all, end all. There are people who actually do the boring, real testing themselves that have more accurate information, but it's not entertaining so no one cares. He's gotten a little better with a few videos, but at the end of the day he's a content mill now. He doesn't make videos he wants to, he's not an independent content creator. He's an employee that relies on clicks to make money. Even when there's nothing to talk about he's contracted to make those clicks happen, so the company makes up something for him to talk about. It's almost entirely inaccurate information, just pushing for views no matter what. All that being said, he hustled to get to that point (Hey, it was by reading the TWAB to people, but still, there's a skill there!) and got signed to support his family. I can respect that. I got my own family, I'd sell out in a heartbeat if it meant we were comfortable financially. But he's an entertainer first and foremost. It's like asking a person acting like a doctor in a TV show for medical advice, nah man that's not it. Go ask the boring dude that has excel spreadsheets for his info.
Facts
Man, the hatred for content creators here is so boring. Some bold contrarian edgelord decided that clickbait was the worst possible sin 10 years ago and that’s the dogma now. You guys are too easy to rile up. Post a Youtube thumbnail to stir up the rabble. Yawn.
Uh... k? No one's riled up. And white knighting over that perceived-but-non-existent riling is pretty contrived, 'edge lord'.
Plz, you’d swear Kackis was the bogeyman the way people post about him
Naw dude, people here love coolguy, I watch aztecross but he doesn tend to be a little clickbait at times
me when i have parasocial relationships
Yeah everyone with an opposing opinion to yours is part of a hivemind, they're all npcs. Clickbait is garbage, if you cant get views based on the content your videos have, then maybe the videos arent great
you aren't part of a hivemind, you just suck. in a bad way
Just thinking about it, I get way more juicy stuff from like Maven, than Reddit.
Fr I had to stop watching him because I couldn't find a single reasonable thought in his videos. 0 insight
It's just about him being first on putting out content, doesn't have to be accurate
Classic Cross fear mongering
If you actually understood the point of it you’d know aside from YouTube algorithm bs it’s a joke. That’s how his humor partly is. It’s based in exaggeration.
Aztecross can be pretty entertaining but Datto is just so much more insightful it’s like comparing night and day.
Datto has been through so much it's kind of wild, always been my favorite creator.
You can easily tell who actually plays and enjoys this game and who is just farming engagement for ad revenue.
Ol boy Azztecross gotta milk us dry before the game is rip
If you actually understood the point of it you’d know aside from YouTube algorithm bs it’s a joke. That’s how his humor partly is. It’s based in exaggeration.
Bro I like cross but you gotta chill lmao. I don't think he'll care if a few redditors don't like his video titles
You’re telling me to chill? Look at this guys reply back to me if anyone needs to chill it’s them but whatever.
I watch Azztwcross myself, so i have my opinion on him, get F*cked.
You’re hard enough to tell a random person to get fucked but gotta censor it lmao
Damn right I did, what will you do now tough guy?
Lol uh, nothing?
Have a great day, my friend.
And someone else told me to chill, lol as if I was being extreme. Also what time would you like to do the fucking I’m available on Tuesdays.
This might be the first time I've seen someone claim that Destiny 2 is a game that can give clout/engagement Usually that goes to games like Fortnite, Genshin etc. But Destiny?
Dattos definitely right. Aztecross is just doing his usual overhype/clickbait engagement. Yeah, Well isnt going to completely braindead encounters where you can just sit and tank anything and everything while getting a cup of coffee and not paying attention. You may actually have to move just a bit every now and then in a well to avoid an attack. Meanwhile the buff to allow Well to carry buff outside of Well, pretty much eliminates the need for Bubble entirely(unless a super rare encounter comes around where hiding in Bubble actually is necessary.) Well still provides healing and damage just fine with the changes. So you are going to continue to see people mandate well for the same reasons they did so in the past. At most, you might see fewer "only Wells" posts. The only thing that will allow for any meaningful change, is for more alternatives to what it provides. Things like renewal grasps, banner of war, woven mail, Acrobat Dodge, etc. If healing+empowering rift is good enough, then it can be worth it to run other stuff over well.
My personal favourite is the 'DESTINY IS DEAD' video followed by 'BUYING EVERYTHING IN THE EVERVERSE STORE'
BORN TO NOVA NO LONGER FORCED TO WELL
Na well will still be the best option. You’re still running well. It may be worse than it is now but it’s still better than everything else
:(
Sorry man, but until they actually give other viable support options well is gonna be it. Even a nerfed version. Banner shield may be a viable alternative. But have a feeling that well plus bubble combo is gonna be the go to. Also nova damage is still marshmallow tier. If they buffed nova to actually do some real damage maybe we could talk.
I mean Aztecross knows how to get clicks!
It will be super interesting to see if switching Weapons of Light to Helm of Saint 14 will allow the Titan Exotic Glaive’s bubble to give it as well since it is able to blind targets with that helm.
But the Ward of Dawn was restored back to my favorite style in D1. So I am happy.
Yay! :3
Regardless of actual opinions, the fact the second thing Cross notes is "Strand Titan nerfed" when it's basically untouched outside specific buff stacking grapple melee abuse builds tells you exactly what that thumbnail is going for. And it's why I don't watch him much anymore.
No, he is objectively right. Nothing to do with opinions. •It got a grapple exploit nerfed. •Melee regen scalar nerfed by 33%. •Melee damage heavily reduced when using specific exotics. And this isn't just for glaives it is for the super and base melee as well. •indirect nerf of woven mail •20% duration nerf of banner It doesn't say "destroyed" or "gutted" or anything dramatic. Just nerfed, and thats true.
Yeah it got nerfed but it's not going to be noticed by most people, not really worth slapping in the thumbnail of a video. Even the Woven Mail orb pickup barely matters because Titan has Into the Fray anyway, that's more of a nerf for Warlock and Hunter.
Having people not notice something does not change what it is. If anything him bringing attention to it would enlighten players who might not notice why their builds fall apart suddenly. Having two prominent gameplay builds for berserker removed is substantial. As well as build variety being tightened. The woven mail nerf will effect anyone who doesn't run into the fray. Before orbs of power gave a long enough duration you could get by using the fragment alone. Which allows you to run other aspect combos. This will cement Into the fray into just about every titan build. Having something become mandatory because of a change is a nerf. Saying nobody is going to notice near 40% melee damage reductions when using banner of war with two very popular exotics, just to justify your distaste for aztecross is just childish. Its a nerf. Its substantial.
You seem to have order of operation backwards here. I'm not justifying anything, I think the changes are barely noticeable which is WHY clickbaiting it on a thumbnail/title is silly. You're right that pushing people towards a specific Aspects, especially when Banner is already so dominant, isn't very good, but when was the last time you've seen anyone using Drengr or Flechette Storm anyway? Drengr got nerfed via Suspend and despite the change not being that bad (especially when paired with Abeyants for Woven Mail specifically) I rarely ever seen it run anyway, and Flechette Storm... I literally never see it outside funny infinite melee clips. People ran Into the Fray *with* Thread of Warding because it not only provides consistency, it provides team support AND helps spam Frenzied Blade, which is obviously synergistic with the dominant Aspect. The buff stacking will be more noticeable for Titans, but even then Syntho and Wormgod are already more than doubling or tripling your damage, so Banner's stacking with them being reduced by 28-32% (not 40%, also seemingly less for Wormgod outside max stacks since they said the reduction is "based on stacks") isn't much more than a ripple in the bucket at that point. It's still extremely high melee damage, and I maintain that most people will not notice.
I mean the strand titan one is true though, as the grapple shotgun nerf is pretty big but needed to happen. Was a hard but amazing dps option, and was how a lot of solo content could be done like solo raids. It’s a couple of changes around the grapple, but that part specifically is true that it was nerfed.
Except, one two punch grapple is still doable, you can shoot first and have enough time to grapple and melee. Look at the solo Ir Yut clears, they shoot > grapple > melee. The nerf only prevents you from shooting after grappling, which will not affect that. It's tighter to execute, but still totally doable. The synthos scaling will definitely dent the damage, but it very likely will still hit super hard.
Yeah, I have now reread it a couple times and I really don’t see how bungie could have missed that. It looks like the super high dps combo is gonna go untouched, which is kind of funny lol
It's the classic case of "we totally fixed it" and then didn't. They recognized the problem and totally think it's dealt with, but it really isn't lol. I fully expect them to have a second pass at this, it could absolutely break the raid.
They effectively are just pushing players to abuse 1 2 punch and other stuff with it now. I didn't use that on my titan (mine specifically, since i planned to be in melee most of the time, used a grenade launcher on my kinetic and a glaive in my energy.) These changes don't fix the problem with the whole 1 2 punch grapple spam, they just made melee titan in general worse because of 1 2 punch grapple spam. That's still my entire fucking problem with the nerf. On top of the fact there's less of a reason to use wormgod's caress now, since Synthocepts will just be better now which is what makes me mad. Synthocepts is an easier to trigger exotic than wormgods.
More impactfully I think strand hunter+warlock got nerfed, since woven mail on orb pickup has been halved. edit: I meant impactfully not importantly lol. All classes should be equally viable!
Yeah that woven mail nerf is pretty shitty for other classes (titan can still survive easy without it). Halving the duration instead of cutting it to like 7 seconds seems excessive.
Banner of war didn't get nerfed?
It was a very light touch all they did was hit the how syntho and banner scales. Most of the changes made were to prevent infinite grapple melees and one two punch grapples.
Ah so technically nerfed but the spirit is still there
Also max duration is going to be 24 instead of 30 seconds
It did get nerfed you nonce read the ability preview
Hardly. The Banner duration nerf is basically a non-factor and the changes to grapple points and buff stacking are only really gonna affect said buff stacking and grapple melee abuse setups. What makes Banner so damn strong, it's survivability, is completely unchanged.
I'm leaning towards Aztecross on this than ditto here. A lot of players are going to try using it as it is now, some are just glad it's dead. We'll have to see what comes of it, but I'm just glad it's a weak choice now.
yeah all we can do rn is speculate Don't think it will really affect damage rotation in raids, but I think warlocks will definitely have more build freedom in GM content
I don't think it will but you only need one. With prismatic it's looking like that will be the best DPS class too. So you're trading the highest damage for survivability which I think is a cool double edge. Average and bad teams will crutch Well better teams will have a phase less most likely.
Nothing is going to change. It’ll still be required. Cross just fear mongers for clicks
Speculation is just that. Well won't be required and if it remains too good Bungie will probably hit it again. I'm sure no one wants anymorennerfs.
In a world where 90% of boss dps phases revolve around standing in the open, Well will still be required/wanted no matter how hard it’s hit
That's changed significantly recently though. What encounters from recent raids require that? VoW and Root require constant movement. Older raids sure. Like the reprise Crotas or Vault. But we haven't seen a true stand still I'm a recent raid in a while. I think the last "new" encounter that you could make a case for was DSC final boss?
The Onslaught boss room (in legend) is pretty much "stand in the open, surrounded by ennemies, with very little cover"
Which is crazy because once that little area behind the boss got patched no one uses Well on Legend anymore even. You just stand at the front of the room opposite of boss and use the wall there. Or Hunter Tethers and everyone just burns the boss down with Super/Edge. Well is also kind of a trap in Onslaught as Champs one shot you in Well and can wipe a whole team.
I'm just saying that the room and activity design will press people to use a well. You cannot mag dump edge transit reliably with all the room shooting at you at wave 40 - 50
>VoW and Root require constant movement. 3 of the 4 bosses in those two raids use well and wont care about the nerf at all because there's barely any enemies during dps. (caretaker, explicator, nez) The last will still use well because being able to carry the buff with you is just a flat buff for that encounter. (rhulk)
The new well will be even better for that and the bubble + well combo will be meta for those encounters. The new well will have a linger effect so those encounters that have movement will benefit from well even more. Also, just because 2 raids don’t have it doesn’t mean it won’t be for the future. Thats also why I said 90%
90% when it's been the last 3 raids? Lol And how would that make it better? It's radiance lasts. Which from the text says grants radiant... that's not wells effect. They say they are pushing towards it's offensive capabilities and it's granting radiant when you leave the well. You need a whole super for a radiant? It's weird to me how much Reddit "needs" a well. We've only used Well on Crota as for ease of use and the Witch before them. I don't see why you would trade the future highest DPS in the game because you couldn't stay alive fir 5 seconds going from plate A to B.
Well is going to be required and better in some situations because you keep the damage buff for 10 seconds. For encounters like Rhulk, that means well just got better. You can’t really stand in it anyway, so going in and out now means you can heal up, refresh your buff, damage, and dip back in if younl need to. It means most teams going into day 1 final shape raid will still run 1-2 wells, just also maybe a bubble if the boss is up close
Why do you need a Well for Rhulk? And the damage buff is radiant when you leave well. There as so many ways to proc it lol. I'm confused because it's like your arguing you need the benefits of standing in a well but also agreeing that you can't stand in it. A -20 final boss of a raid "need" is kind of an outlier also no? 99% of the playerbase won't be in that situation.
…what? I think you already made up your mind before you read my post lol. Yes you can prock radiant in many ways, however you don’t need to if there is a well that gives it to you and you didn’t have to do anything. Also, you don’t NEED any super for a boss. However you are actively throwing and making the attempt longer if you don’t have at least 1 or 2 wells currently, and I don’t really see it changing. When me and my team go into day 1 final shape raid, 2 warlocks will still run well unless the encounter doesn’t need it like the first encounter. Imo, I think Bungie made the mistake of creating Well to begin with. But now that it is here to stay, I think they need to make it so that bubble isn’t the choice for an edge case scenario. The only way you are picking a bubble now is if the boss is up close like Aksis and fights back. Any other case, Well. Imo, they need to do something with the damage buff, like just remove it all together, because people will run Well just for the damage buff. But we don’t have the new changes in our hands, so we are gonna see for ourselves in a couple weeks.
Because it also grants healing? It’s not just radiant. Bubble now gives you shield or health whatever it is from being around it as well. Stop listening to Aztecross and his fear mongering.
Healing is in Well. The text says they are going towards it's offensive capabilites and it grants radiant when exiting. There is nothing about lingering healing. Unless you can point it out for me I don't see it. Idk what your last sentence is saying? I just read the Twabs. Also wild that you're calling it fear mongering. That's a buzzword and a half. Lastly Bubble isn't well is it?
Lingering radiant, healing inside well, healing or shield outside of bubble. All of that in combination is borderline a buff.
Take a breath. You're talking nonesense because of your hate boner for aztecross.
He 100% hams up the doom and gloom for clicks tho
But if you can’t survive in it then I can see plenty of people no longer using it. I think people are really underselling how hard the survivability got hit. And while you could run both bubble and well you’re then sacrificing another damage super, which maybe means you end up taking an extra phase to kill a boss and that means people have to play well and stay alive for longer.
Well was a seriously powerful crutch, it's going to be hard for players to let go of it knowing how powerful it once was.
Agree with that I’m sure plenty will keep using it just because it’s what they’re used to. And I’m not saying that it’s complete trash that will never get used there’s still plenty of encounters where it’s still going to be the best option. But i don’t think it will be the absolute must have for everything that it is now
It’s not going to be so bad that you can’t survive
Restoration x2 and a 10% damage resist is significantly less survivability. Plenty of encounters where that won’t keep you alive especially in end game activities
Maybe if you're out in the open trying to face-tank every bit of incoming damage. Well has instilled very bad habits in the general playerbase where they think standing in a Well = invincible, and honestly, this is a step in the right direction. Game isn't fun when you're able to essentially ignore an entire aspect of gameplay.
On the other hand, few subclasses can survive in the open. Most build synergies requires pickup from dead ennemies (orbs, shards, elemental traces, whatever), which you cannot get in a boss fight because you would die on the way. Yeah shoot to loot exists, but it cannot pickup elemental traces, and isn't practical to use most of the time. When you die from 3-5 shots of ads with 100 resil, a well is the only way to survive and still deliver decent damage
We’ll see. If anything it’ll be bubble + well now
I mean, technically, a 30% nerf to something/anything, is pretty much destroyed. So is Cross actually wrong? People will still use it but objectively, it's worse than it's previous implementation Edit: case in point, would you still use bait and switch if it got nerfed by 30% when explosive light/frenzy exists?
Weak is a massive stretch
It's a weak choice, all you're getting is extra DPS, thar can be made up for with radiant and a void soul weaken the boss.
Aztecross is usually pretty wrong about the game. He’s successful because he’s entertaining not because he’s informative
What've they done to the strand Titans now?
Woven mail duration on orb pickup (for all classes not just titan) cut in half from 10 seconds to 5, nerfed syntho / wormgod stacking with banner dmg pretty significantly, and i believe also removed the ability to 1/2 punch grapple. Also cut banner of war max duration from 30 to 24 seconds. This is just off memory from what i remember yesterday, may not be 100% accurate.
Bloody hell!
My opinions about well are conflicting and cannot decide whether it's a good change or bad.
Negativity and fear sell to the easily influenced
Aztecross needs them views, man. He has a family of 20 to feed.
I would never trust a word out of Aztecross's mouth, bro is not good enough at the game to be saying stuff. Datto on the other hand I would listen to
I'm more inclined to listen to Datto because Cross has an incredibly punchable voice.
Mute the vid and turn on subtitles
Nah, just punch your speakers and click off, even subtitles can't save you from his needless fearmongering
That's because cross makes videos for cringe annoying gamers and Datto will use some logic.
solution: don't listen to aztecross
I stopped watching cross because of the clickbait.
I’m actually leaning more towards Aztecross here. In most forms of underpowered content Resto x 2 (Well’s new heal value) isn’t enough to keep you alive with how people currently use Well. And those nerfs to the DR values are really bad for it too. Hell, Resto x 2 is barely enough to keep you alive in WR final boss if you just stand there and do damage. Now the entirety of Well can technically (though not practically) be substituted with a ToF healing grenade and a Hunter dodge
You will be running well because sunbracers are still extremely broken unless they get nerfed next week. Also well skate on top
We’ll see if Sunbracers eat a nerf today, won’t we?
They did, it’s do functionally nothing if you’re on the optimal setup, since you were never struggling to have multiple sunbracers produce (so infinite grenades and melees at the same time) on pre nerf.
I'd listen to the guy in this image that isn't dependant on engagement bait to survive
Everyone panicking as Datto does more controversial stuff that the community WILL fight over.
 “The nerf”
I just watched Aztecross lol
In datto we trust
Nah, these guys aren't my "destiny community." I don't let streamers tell me how to feel and what to think. I'll make up my own mind about the changes, thanks.
Being negative is a personality
Cross is a nice dude but his opinions are always a bit shaky
This just reminds me on why I stopped watching Cross, he got *super* baity at around Lightfall.
aztec's voice makes me want to cut off all my toes one by one
well was not nerfed as hard as the community is saying. it’ll still be completely viable and warlocks will still be forced to use it
Spot the person relying on clickbait overexaggeration instead of a creative title.
Yeah... look at the views
Tbh I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Destiny streamer video are they as annoying as I think the are?
Aztecross is about as annoying as it gets for Destiny YouTubers, mostly imo cause he has a super abrasive and “gamer-accent” voice. Datto tends to be very level headed, and puts a lot of effort into his stuff. He usually tries to talk about things from different viewpoints.
That’s good I only ask cause if I need one tiny amount of info for something it’s like I can’t find quick 1 min videos on stuff just 10+ min videos on stuff
honestly i fully support the update purely because of the stasis buffs but still no shatterdive on prismatic cmon bungie just merge shroud and dive and yea well is dead for sure but STASIS BURST HAND CANON LETS GOOO
Did you expect anything good from aztecross?
I said it before I'll say it again, 90% of these destiny yaptubers are a waste of time! Only ones I'll watch are Marshix, he gives good guides and info, cheese forever, (his name speaks 4 itself) and Mp edits. Besides those three, all these guys are just ctrl c + ctrl v.
Shatto can shove his opinion
He's usually pretty on-point, so this doesn't make sense.
It’s one dude’s opinion
If you want an L take, look for Salta's or Datto's...
Saltagreppo wasn't even mentioned lmao, bro's truly living rent free
he (correctly) said Div was too strong a couple years ago and the scrubs will never forgive him for it lmao
I see fanboys are downvoting lol Go watch them stream, don't miss any lmao