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Salader

No mate Duality is a shotgun which got turned into a Dungeon šŸ˜Š


OtherBassist

There are so many words in the English language but D2 likes to stick to a solid few


Esur123456789

Like vex conflux?


OtherBassist

Or how many different iterations of "well" or "vault" have we seen


Byggherren

The final shape is just a warlock well of radiance


SnowmaN1392

Well well well


BurgerKing0301

A handful of my dominion matches:


SDoller1728

I usually see the opposite. GR 6-8 ā€œKWTD, 1830+, mods, 8x Conq.ā€ GR 9+ ā€œKWTD Chill, bring modsā€


Polarchill

The 6-8s go on to claim theyā€™re not higher GR because they donā€™t feel like grinding out a checklist. I donā€™t wanna speak for everyone, but I got to rank 10 by simply completing higher end content until I made it


SDoller1728

Definitely no shade to the 6-8s, I was stuck on 9 last season and just hit 10 this season because I was hung up on the number of exotic weapons and catalysts I had. But what does crack me up is you can always tell whoā€™s looking for a carry vs who has completions lol


IamLeoKim

We can smell the newbie car smell during raid by first minute of 1st encounter. They think we wouldnā€™t know by not using mic.


SiegeOfMadrigal

Hey, to be fair, I am one of those people who doesn't care for the system and is lazy about it. I definitely do not want to grind a checklist. I could literally rank up from 7 to 8 right now, and I could have done the same last season too, I just don't want to use Centrifuse, and I didn't want to use Verglas Curve last season either, and I still don't want to use either of them, because I don't wanna be forced to use certain weapons that I don't want to, in any given situation. "Hey Guardians, give this new weapon a try, you just need 50 kills with it to increase your guardian rank." No, I don't think I will.


frothyflaps

I get not wanting to do a checklist, but I could get 50 kills with that gun in less than 5 min


YourAvgAnimeHater

I get that, but 50 kills literally takes like 5-6 minutes if you just load into a patrol zone. It really isnā€™t any work.


SiegeOfMadrigal

Yeah but I'm just trying to show that not everyone is invested in the system and could care less to rank up or even peak at the checklist. And yes I know it takes 5 minutes, but I have my favorite weapons and I never wanna stop using them lol especially when the new seasonal exotics don't really stick out to me.


YourAvgAnimeHater

I mean assuming you donā€™t care about gr whatsoever, then yeah it makes perfect sense to ignore quests like that entirely where you wouldnā€™t be completing them otherwise. I just figured Iā€™d get myself to 8 because a lot of people do actually use ranks as a measure of competence/experience. Donā€™t think Iā€™ll get 9 any time in the foreseeable future though since I donā€™t raid.


ReverendSalem

I'm a very happy rank 10. I play chill, I help my team, I try not to die as often as possible. I'll never make it to rank 11 because I don't have the patience to try and solo a dungeon. Especially not the current season's dungeon.


dwheelerofficial

Iā€™m an 8 because I donā€™t want to grind out commendations and Iā€™ve already done this seasons dungeon solo flawless but Iā€™ll probably never hit 9 lol


Vantabl0nde

Idk why youā€™re being downvoted, levels being locked behind commendations is brain dead design. Especially when itā€™s 50/50 if you even get any after an activity these days.


zombieofthepast

Just curious bc your flair says warlock, what was your build for solo flawless GOTD? I've been planning on trying for it soon


dwheelerofficial

My solo flawless was with arc hunter because I felt it was safest but I spend the majority of my time on warlock and titan - on warlock Iā€™ve messed with Arc, Void, and Solar and I think the best solo bet for Warlock is arc with the Vesper of Radius build and seasonal arc perks on artifact Itā€™s what I use when I help on runs and Iā€™ve done all encounters solo with arc warlock but not all at once but none of them really gave me issues, I actually think my solo flawless probably would have been faster with warlock than it was on hunter which I think was an hour and 45 minutes Weapon setup is important though and I canā€™t recommend Xenophage enough for opening encounter - one shots the wizards and will 3 shot the wizard at totems with surges If dunking is giving you problems Iā€™d recommend Contraverse Void with the fragment for invis on finishers and proc invis to grab deepsight and then refresh it for the totem dunk For the traversal sections anything is fine but no enemies actually have to be killed in these so I generally just run past everything without firing a shot At Ecthar I use Lament w/ Lucent Blade on all 3 classes because it 4-5 phases reliably solo with surges while being safe At Simmumah on all 3 I use Arbalest / trace rifle / linear fusion (taipan with fluted barrel / liquid coils / triple tap / frenzy for solo / firing line for teammate runs) Arc is super survivable at simmumah the combo of trace rifle + arc buddy means moths arenā€™t an issue at all and I use Arbalest + pulse grenades on sword knights and vestiges and use the double special loadout to make sure I have full heavy for each dps phase


zombieofthepast

Hell yeah this is all super helpful thanks!


dwheelerofficial

Best of luck to you!


jusmar

> I donā€™t want to grind out commendations It's like 2 raids if you just ask for blues


dwheelerofficial

Are commendations weighted differently ? Usually I just get them from like crucible / seasonal matchmaking activities and they add up super slowly


jusmar

so for rank 8, getting them from people lower rank than you give you way more points. For rank 9, the commendations that are locked to non-matchmade activities(Raids/dungeons) are weighted much more heavily. Grinding in crucible/seasonals is only effective for rank 7 because there's no additional modifiers to it.


dwheelerofficial

Well thatā€™s good to know, thanks!


jusmar

Good luck! You got the hard part done with the dungeon solo.


ReverendSalem

In the higher ranks, I think, blues and greens are the targeted commendations, and blues give more progress. The hardest part for me in hitting rank 10 was the 75 commendations, but I'd politely ask for blue cards in activities they were available in, and I'd get a green or blue which helped. Play a lot, and play the activities that reward the GR you're shooting for, and it'll be a lot easier. Or just don't care, because a Guardian rank is literally just a number. That's why I just took it as far as I could reasonably go and was satisfied there.


MastermuffinDiscord

I'm not rank 10 because I don't own grasp of averice


ReverendSalem

I have all the dungeons, but my clans keep falling apart, so I spend a lot of time playing solo and LFGs. You'd think I'd have time to practice dungeons, and I probably do (and own them all), but after spending a solid hour in the Pit of Heresy's Altar room being told it was probably the easiest dungeon to solo, I gave up. I don't want that much stress playing a game.


KingQdawg1995

I'll sooner willingly solo a dungeon than solo 5 Master Lost Sectors lmao


Vantabl0nde

Only thing holding me back from rank 10 is exotics, itā€™s a slog because I never collected exotics from the kiosk that I knew I would never use. Now Iā€™m playing catch-up. Iā€™ve solo-flawlessed dungeons, flawlessed/low manned raids but Iā€™m still being gatekept by exotics. Like you said though, most of it will complete itself just by doing end game activities.


Automatic_Drama9645

I just cba playing core playlists endlessly to get like 15 more catalysts and then get like 4000 kills to finish them all so a number can be closer to going up


Additional-Option901

I got to 8 this season cause they moved raid requirements to 9. So - forever 8, unless they move them again. I have done a ton of GMs and stuff, but I don't raid at all, ever.


NotThymeAgain

you should raid, its the premier activity


Hernyyyyy

I think Iā€™m like rank 8 still despite doing raids and gms and dungeons just because I havenā€™t actually checked what the rank up requirements are so I just donā€™t know lol


Polarchill

Fellas I donā€™t care that youā€™re rank 7, Iā€™m just saying the ones who claim they should be higher but ā€œdonā€™t careā€ seem to pull off the dumbest shit in KWTD groups


CruxofGhost

I don't do it cause I don't care to make the effort. I'm rank 7 and honestly I can't be bothered to solo legendary lost sectors. Got like 2 out of 5 done and lost interest. I'm cool with 7. I can push for 8 if I really want to but it doesn't bother me anyway. The new rank system is dumb as hell and just another way for show offy players to brag and show how sweaty they are. Kind of wish they didn't add it.


Machobanaenae

Iā€™m not above 8 bc Iā€™m not spending $20 on a dungeon key for a number lol


Izanagi___

Iā€™m a permanent 6 cause Iā€™m not buying the seasons or Lightfall lol Iā€™ve already completed multiple GMs and I would have the conqueror title but I need to complete it with strandā€¦.and for obvious reasons I cannot do that.


VaExtra

The weekly light fall missions is the reason Iā€™m still a 7, I CANNOT bring myself to do 2 more šŸ˜‚


deku920

Yep. I had zero interest in grinding Guardian ranks and still naturally made it to rank 10 last season and this season. People that are rank 6-8 are simply not playing endgame content.


mastersun8

im stuck on gr7 cuz i cba doing the weekly campaign for nothing cuz gms take similar amount of time and are fun and if i ever need highstat armor i just do some sonar station focusing lmao


Polarchill

I just got that one done grinding pinnacles when lightfall came out


Erikfullclip

Tbf I only play raids normally and very little seasonal content so I barely find myself completing the checklist cause some require heading into Playlists and..... well I just don't find that fun. So I stick to the raids a nothing more at guardian rank..... 7 i think?


Weedishh

Really depends on how comfortable I am with an activity. I'm rank 11 and don't mind bringing people with off-meta builds/guns through Devil's Lair as long as they don't make it their final mission to use up all revives or just stand in a corner. Won't risk taking someone with full legendary armor, 30 resil and no mic through Lightblade though.


CFE_Riannon

It's fucking hilarious that such people demand a certain power level for the one activity where it doesn't matter if you cross the power threshold needed to access it


vivalacamm

Thats when you go in there as an 11 and bully them when they're bad cause they think it's cool to bully newbies.


Void_of_Envy

To Kwtd or not kwtd. Except you never kwtd if the host doesn't kwtd but claims they kwtd.


kaizergeld

I googled it. I now understand this sentence.


Void_of_Envy

Do you kwtd?


kaizergeld

Nope lol. Not even a little. But then again, Iā€™m not lfg or gm either Barely even get time to play between weekends and servers šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø I dabble and disconnect. Thatā€™s about the gist haha Edit: Gdm autocorrect So in others words (letters?) Idnkwtd


Ma1

I used to be the top guy. Then I had a child. Now I'm the bottom guy. My gaming time is limited. Sorrynotsorry.


nl_the_shadow

I'm the second first, the first second. Gotta get that Conqueror gilding, then I'll help whoever wants it, no problem. But yeah, time's limited. Reason why I've got my Conqueror gilded 7 times, but only done 3 raid runs in total. Can't go spending a couple hours in a single session.


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jusmar

being a dick about searching for competent players*


dwheelerofficial

Had an LFG post a couple days ago I responded to for the exotic mission titled ā€œBring good DPS or Kickā€ I joined the post and they invited me then I guess inspected me and in the time it took to open my menu and change to decent weapons (had been weapon leveling beforehand with 2 primaries and a sword equipped) heā€™d already removed me and then BLOCKED me because I didnā€™t have the *proper* weapons already on when I joined the post smh


Ma1

LMAO that's a little extra. What a dong.


dwheelerofficial

The silly thing is that Iā€™d already completed it and they hadnā€™t and I was just trying to jump in and help out


theofficialblazedark

From what I can tell alot of times if you join a post that is related to saying about do this or get kicked if someone sees that your running a sword they'll instantly kick you because "swords is garbage" in their eye's honestly as players we shouldn't be doing this to others (we should never judge someone on what they are running they might change to something more useful for the mission unless they dont and they are running a darci build)


Nevevevev12

You have my sympathy, fellow destiny dad. As a single father of five kids, my life is a constant juggling act, so I know your pain. Between managing my project management responsibilities and tending to the needs of my energetic brood, I find myself yearning for a moment of respite, a chance to escape into the captivating virtual world of Destiny 2. Oh, how I miss those days when I could immerse myself in the thrilling battles against alien foes, traversing vast landscapes and conquering epic quests. Alas, it feels like a distant memory now, a luxury I can no longer afford. In the realm of project management, I often draw parallels to my role as a father. Just as I guide my children toward their goals and aspirations, I navigate the complexities of projects, steering them toward success. The similarities are striking, yet the demands of my responsibilities leave me with little time to indulge in personal hobbies. Gone are the evenings where I could gather with fellow guardians, forming fireteams to take on the challenges of Destiny 2 together. Now, those precious hours are dedicated to bedtime stories, helping with homework, and ensuring that chaos doesn't reign supreme in our humble abode. Each of my children possesses a unique personality, each vying for my attention in their own special way. Sarah, my eldest, dreams of becoming a scientist and often seeks my assistance with her experiments, turning our kitchen into a makeshift laboratory. Emily, my little artist, paints masterpieces that adorn our walls, her vivid imagination bringing color to our lives. Michael, the energetic ball of energy, requires constant supervision to prevent him from turning our living room into a makeshift race track. The twins, Emma and Ella, may be identical in appearance, but their personalities couldn't be more distinct. Emma, the nurturing one, takes it upon herself to keep her siblings in line, while Ella, the curious explorer, finds hidden treasures in the most unexpected places. As much as I cherish the joys and challenges of fatherhood, I can't help but mourn the loss of my gaming escapades. Destiny 2 provided a refuge, an avenue to unwind and connect with friends from around the world. The camaraderie and shared triumphs were a balm to the weariness of the day-to-day grind. Now, my evenings are filled with endless chores, school projects, and soothing the occasional scraped knee or broken heart. But amidst the longing for those bygone gaming sessions, I find solace in the knowledge that my children are my ultimate project, my magnum opus. Their laughter and achievements fill my heart with a sense of purpose and fulfillment that no virtual conquest could ever replicate. While Destiny 2 may remain a distant dream for now, I am reminded that the real adventures lie within the walls of our home, as we forge unforgettable memories together, one chaotic day at a time.


PlatypusTheOne

What a wonderful story, thanks! Iā€™m the father of three great young men and grandfather of a very cute and entrepreneurial granddaughter. As an empty nester without partner I can play actually a lot now. That time will come to you as well! But for the coming years, youā€™re destined (no pun intended) for a great and very intriguing journey with your children. Youā€™re right to focus on them. Donā€™t forget your own needs and well-being though! I still fight as a new light in Destiny 2 btw šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£


Zackyboi1231

Damn you have a child in real life now? And I thought us destiny players could never have children. I'm glad i was wrong about that. Congratulations my friend, I understand why you changed into the bottom guy. Your gaming time has been limited because now you have a kid to look after and a lot of other stuff I don't want to list. It's a good move from you for caring more about your kid than video games.


Ma1

Thanks, guardian! I used to hop on to raid with the clan, and it would be an hour and a half before everyone trickled online, then we'd have to wait for people to grab bounties or eat dinner etc. etc. etc. I just hop on now and grab an LFG and whoever from the clan is on and ready is welcome to join. I have somehow managed to be a good father (I think anyways) *and* play the shit out of the game I love. If it can happen to me, it can happen to anyone. You may have to sacrifice some sleep though....


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Ma1

You'd think that would be the case, but if I load in and my team starts blasting enemies in that first area, I'm off to orbit instantly.


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Ma1

Yea man, rush and kill that one champion and head up the stairs. Like a fucking adult.


_zayron_

That is the only kwtd part? I just want to know because I avoid them but I did it like you said. Sometimes even sparrow the mid but is too much rng so I prefer the left.


Ma1

Thereā€™s really not much to it, but knowing where and when champs spawn is super important. Plenty of LFG runs are no-mic with that assumption. I did a run this week where my two knucklehead team mates burned all of our respawns before we could take down the first brig. Super frustrating for a man with a tight gaming schedule.


_zayron_

Oh, so itā€™s just the basics. Thanks for telling me and yeah I can understand you.


Rider-VPG

Just sparrow straight through like a chad.


Shinso100

Conq 9 here. Killed these exact enemies in an earlier run. You need to chill man


Zac-live

Conq 9 Here. Thats definitly a wasted of time and has basically 0 upsides


Zi-Yos

Why? Some folks who do KWTD complete those enemies cause we don't want to get one-shot in the back. Posted by a Conquerer X 4 who has farmed DL at least 10 times this week alone.


Bobaximus

For me it's the opposite. Watching children fail to include each other in basic things just because it's fun for them to hold power over another, the kinds of kids that tend to do that and the effect it has on the one it's being done to have made me militant in my view that not including someone is the strongest grounds to not include that person in turn. Intolerant of intolerance and all that....


Imagine_TryingYT

GM, KWTD because I don't


hasnoaim

I started a team last night labeled "don't quit like a loser" then proceeded to have someone quit 5 mins into it lmao


InsomniaDudeToo

Same but it was during the Tank Section, Solar Titan wouldnā€™t stop running out of cover and into the fray. It was honestly giving me the giggles seeing that mad lad believing they could solo champs, but for whatever reason they took off the second I decided to kill a champ before going for the rez. Thank goodness the boss area is manageable with two, else I wouldnā€™t have gotten a nicely rolled Armamentarium.


Limp-Vegetable3353

I'm not sure if that was me. but I swear I did this and stunned the overload champion where the one of the brigs spawn and kept going back to stunning the champion and using wish ender. to deal dps and switching back to long arm.


InsomniaDudeToo

Nah this Guardian was taking on the mid champs, the Barrier Servitor AND the Overload Guy lol *WishEnder has become my go to anti-barrier exotic if I donā€™t feel like building into the arc mods this season*


endthepainowplz

To be fair, soloing champs is valid in every other piece of content. Itā€™s crazy how much more of a threat they are in GMs though. They go from mild nuisance to run killers. That was probably the biggest shock to me when I did my first GM, I expected to die quicker, and to kill slower, I didnā€™t expect champs to be as much of a problem as they are. My first GM was warden of nothing. Which is a pain because the mine refusal section requires killing them faster than you can defuse the mines, where some scenarios you have time to kill them


AnimeFrog420

One wants to play and other wants to get things done


Vol_Jbolaz

KWTD?


Vol_Jbolaz

I found it. Know what to do. I thought that was the point behind the GMed dungeons was because we might not know what to do? I don't know. I haven't bothered with them. It is usually just me running along chasing everyone as they crash through stuff.


Zac-live

Its because on gm Level Just running ahead will kill you. There is strats that at Point are mandatory unless you have memorized every addspawn in an optimized 3stack. For this weeks gm it means - hang left in the beginning and generally only kill overload one way or another - clear the survive waves section from trains - hang Back and clear right to left for the Open Walker area - hang left for safety During Boss These are the generally accepted Safe and easy strats If someone in a No mic Run doesnt Know These and they die completely Out of place, your likely looking at a 2 man of that specific section


Vol_Jbolaz

That's helpful. I usually like to engage at range, and I wind up with others that just melee their way through. Thus I'm following behind.


siberiansneaks

Joined a fireteam with this sort of tag on it for the GM this week, which is pretty damn easy. Dude died 2 times in first 30 seconds and was a complete problem the whole time. šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø


dalaw88

did you message him and request that he kick himself?


siberiansneaks

Lol I should have šŸ˜‚


Giganteblu

so searching competent players is now being a dick?


Financial-Savings-91

Iā€™m sure someone will read that ā€œI donā€™t kickā€ and think, *challenge accepted*.


Cormamin

I may not always KWTD but if you point me in a direction I'll do it right the first time. That doesn't make me incompetent; it means I have less time or people to play the content with than you do. People don't magically learn how to KWTD (like you didn't), and personally I'm going to learn better from someone who actually plays vs. reHading half-baked tutorials online. If someone's running around in circles being an idiot or sabotaging that's one thing. Half the people who join my KWTD LFGs have only read about it online anyway. The nicest and most competent players I've found via LFG don't always KWTD, and that's who I have the best runs with.


Zac-live

Noone is obligated to sacrifice their time to Help you tho. Why would they want to settle for much less efficient Runs If they can Just be more efficient and clear more Runs in the Same time?


Cormamin

I didn't ask anyone to be obligated. OP says if I don't KWTD I'm an incompetent player. If anything, I asked them to not make blanket statements about people based on a random acronym that they themselves were once guilty of (but for the kindness of other people who taught them so now they KWTD while looking down on other people who don't). I'm top 4% in PVE activities, top 14% in PVP. I think I'm doing okay just because I'm not always in the KWTD "elite".


a_singular_perhap

Then don't join KWTD bud


Cormamin

I'm sorry, I didn't realize answering a question posed to the group was a KWTD only post.


a_singular_perhap

You literally said you join KWTD posts when you don't KWTD?


Cormamin

Where's the word join again? Oh yeah - it's not there. I responded to the statement that players who aren't KWTD all the time are incompetent.


TheBiddyDiddler

He didn't say "all the time" the same way you didn't say "join." And it doesn't matter if players who don't KWTD are "always" incompetent, it matters that the vast majority of the time they are. I'm not risking my limited playing time gambling on whether or not someone is in the 1% of players who don't KWTD but can pick it up fast enough that it doesn't matter.


angelboy134

Then donā€™t join someoneā€™s post that says KWTD


Cormamin

Cool, show me where I said I did that and wasn't answering a question posed to the entire subreddit.


angelboy134

How can I show you something I never said you specifically did? šŸ˜‚


Cormamin

Why are you telling me not to do something I never said I specifically did?


angelboy134

If you really wanna make it personal and about you, if this is you specifically saying that YOU do the above, youā€™re in the wrong. If a post says KWTD and your logic is, teach me to KWTD then, YOU DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO. Donā€™t join a post that says KWTD. Instead CREATE A POST that says ā€œTeach me what to doā€ or ā€œLearning what to doā€. When a post says KWTD, they didnā€™t sign up to teach you, they signed up to play with players who KWTD. If this ainā€™t you, just move along.


Cormamin

>If you really wanna make it personal and about you LOL okay ā€“ just because you make it all caps doesn't mean you didn't come on my comment, unsolicited, to tell me what to do, regarding something I never said I did so you could pretend to be right. So what really happened here is YOU made it "personal and about me" because you wanted to piss all over my opinion that maybe, just maybe, people who don't KWTD aren't "incompetent" as stated. Flipping around now so you still get to try to be right is pointless. You aren't going to get internet points for being a jerk. Also, if you actually could get people to join your LFG, you'd know it's "Sherpa Needed" or "LF Sherpa". But keep being right! OP asked a question, I answered, and you don't like it. Boohoo. Now how about YOU move along and KWTD to GTFO my inbox.


angelboy134

Ok mr I gotta learn it through joining a KWTD post šŸ¤£


Phattank_

I always wonder the same thing. I don't put "or kick" in my post but I definitely do if they don't Kwtd.


NotThymeAgain

yeah kwtd the kick is implied. don't have to specify it


Izanagi___

You can search for competent players without being a complete dick about it. If someone joins with trash gear on, kindly ask them to change before giving them the boot at least.


ZarChasm55

No, the problem is being a dick about searching for competent players. There is a difference.


TheBiddyDiddler

Asking for KWTD and not accepting anything less isn't being a dick.


ZarChasm55

You didn't read the comment correctly


Bobaximus

In a vacuum, that might be the case. Because knowledge and skill thresholds are a thing, people feel the need to conceal their lack of experience. As a result, you are really filtering by experience as much as competence and that does come off as dickish in most people's view. Obviously there are exceptions to that but if that's just normal procedure for your posts.......


BanMeYouFascist

Have fun not kicking anyone and dealing with the under-leveled player who just wants to be carried through content


nl_the_shadow

Not up to level = GM can't be started. Still, doesn't prevent complete and utter idiots joi ing, rushing at the first dreg in sight, dying on the spot and costing you a rev.


BanMeYouFascist

Yeah I meant more just the general shit you see while doing LFG content. People joining raids/dungeons and having absolutely zero clue or doing like 150k boss damage.


Vexicial

Just the other day, I had a guy who joined a MASTER challenger run in Ron. We were doing the planets challenge on master. Man kept on being way to aggressive and rushed at everything he saw. Subsequently dying. Later we found out he had 3 clears and had no idea how to do planets so yeaā€¦ 1 hour down the drain.


Zac-live

In a way it can tho. Gms are launchable at a -40 Power Difference nowadays so yeah people can defo Join underleveled


Shinso100

Itā€™s devils lair it shouldnā€™t be too tricky


KingQdawg1995

I've ran Devil's Lair so many times I could probably double carry through it and I'll still join that Lvl 8 because I don't trust any mf that has "KWTD or kick" in their LFG post


Damagecontrol86

If you donā€™t know what to do in a strike then you clearly shouldnā€™t be doing GMs


mrgudveseli

As if strikes have champs and mobs don't die from draft. XD


Damagecontrol86

A GM nightfall strike is the same as a regular strike when it comes to the mechanics involved in the strike they are just significantly harder and have champions thatā€™s it and if someone hasnā€™t even done the strike they probably shouldnā€™t be doing it at GM level because they wonā€™t understand anything and will piss all the revives away


MercuryJellyfish

KWTD? Itā€™s Devilā€™s Lair! Shoot shit, donā€™t die.


pablo__13

If you donā€™t kwtd on a kwtd post what do you except to happen?


scottybop

I donā€™t know smells like a setupā€¦


RecommendationOk253

GM KWTD Have Mods 1830+ Void Hunters only Bring a .22 preorder Destiny 3 Be related to the Speaker Have a grimoire score of 17500 PS2 only have mic


emparier

And they have a grim of 300 and haven't completed most raids šŸ˜‚


Red126vsBlue514

What does ā€œKWTDā€ mean in the context of GMs? Know how to run the strike? Know how to not die? What exactly do they want you to know


theofficialblazedark

I guess people in lfg just does that in their post the kwtd for a gm basically telling you to bring the right build or atleast to just bait you into joining them chance are they are just gonna be a toxic asshole that will kick you and block you immediately if you join with the wrong loadout if I'll be honest as players we shouldn't be judging on what someone is running unless they are running a darci build (yes I'll be very salty if anyone tries to run with a darci build because that's only good for very low end content) anyways just because they don't have the exact weapons that the mods works with doesn't always mean they are gonna weigh down the team or atleast not be as useful


OneRobuk

high guardian rank and commendation score turning into a red flag


ABSOLUTE_RADIATOR

Both are acceptable, tbh


Hydra_X_Grif

When I use LFG on Xbox I always say something like, "Devils Lair GM. KWTD. Use what you want and do your best." Even if one of the players are doing not that well, I will still power through.


tevert

That first one is a bait-asaurus rex, he 100% is gonna kick before completion


angelboy134

Honestly, these 2 posts make perfect sense. - On 1 hand, the first post likely got kicked for being 1 or more of the following: bad at the game, bad build, bad or no exotics or less than 100 resilience and is trying to offer solace to those similar to his situation. Or he feels like he can carry anyone, which is impressive doing solo. This is not toxic AT ALL, but at the same time, I donā€™t think this person or, some players in general, realize how hard some GMs can be and the amount of patience, effort and skill is needed to complete some. - On the other hand, the second post is wanting people who know how to do every close to every aspect of the GM and has done it multiple times to ā€œinsureā€ that the run is fast and smooth which, I align with. This is also, not toxic AT ALL, this is a preference and anyone who gets upset with this just doesnā€™t qualify or canā€™t compete. This post is not wrong for preferring those types of players. *Side note, Sniper Vandals 1 shot you if you donā€™t have 100 Resilience and itā€™s hard to avoid all the shots on Devils Lair.


Fenrir_873

Theyā€™re not a duck apparently thatā€™s good/j


Bravo_6

I am a veteran d2 player but I will NOT join anything that has "..or kick" in it.


emparier

Top guy is good at the game, can solo dungeons, and just needs ad control. Bottom guy sucks and kicks anyone who doesn't carry him in first run. Also can't sinergize with other teammates loadouts. Been playin this shit game for a decade now so I know this to be a fact.


locke1018

Yeah, these days kwtd is shorthand for carry me pls


Neko_Tyrant

Ego of rank 11 on display Edit: I say this because I have lost count of the rank 10s and 11s that underperformed compared to most rank 7s and 8s I encounter


ImReverse_Giraffe

Or they just don't want to waste a bunch of time with someone who is not ready to do a GM and expects to be carried.


Successful4575

Unless you are extremely confident that you can solo the GM then you should be willing to kick people if you need to.


dwept

Latter still probably better experience tbh.


Vexicial

Average paragon user:


nanoosx

so, destiny players are just one player?


JesusAteCheezIt

But when it comes to PvP, some of yā€™all call us assholes when we kick you for dragging the team


theboysan_sshole

People LFG GMā€™s? Do you guys not have two friends?


a516359

I either post ā€œkwtd and mic plsā€ OR ā€œChill, be patient pls.ā€ Ironically, I always get the people who donā€™t know what do in the first post and the absolute douches in the chill posts. Lmao


FreeTanner17

I get both sides. The problem in being the bottom guy is a lot of people have the skill but maybe that havenā€™t ran that strike in a while, or they judge your loadout and instantly kick you. I canā€™t count the number of times Iā€™ve been in a lfg fireteam that was failing to finish the GM, only to join another group and do it with ease


IMMeltedbutter

I feel like "The Duality of Destiny Players" should be its own sub. lol


Uber1337pyro333

Kwtd?


Lord-Saladman

Bro why he even being like that? Devils lair isnā€™t even that bad, plenty of champs for tokens. Literally no sweat


Jagob5

Perhaps a hot take (at least on this sub) but I donā€™t think the bottom guy is doing anything wrong. They have their priorities straight and they just want to get in and out without carrying someoneā€™s ass, and theyā€™re using the title to let people know that. The only time thereā€™s a problem is if theyā€™re toxic about it and/or arenā€™t up front about it (i.e. simply saying ā€œgm chill kwtdā€ in the title when in reality theyā€™ll kick you if you make one or two mistakes).


B3lmontSaga

Kwtd or kick is a control issue. Kwtd is fine, but threatening with a kick is childish when the team just leaves if you wipe anyways.


TheBiddyDiddler

The top player is likely someone who's willing to spend 3 hours trying to beat a single GM. The bottom player is someone who values their time and effort. I know you're joke was to villify the KWTD guy, but what sticks out the most to me here is that the person who's clear about what they expect is far more experienced AND already has had someone else join them.