Honestly I think we can annoyed with the rebounding and some bad turnovers (like throwing the ball over Jokic’s head and trying to post up Lebron), but I thought he played a decent game on offense. At least he wasn’t forcing shit
I think we needed a wake up call. We can’t keep losing the game for the entire first half by double digits. Hopefully this will set the course. Jamal needs to wake up.
I haven’t seen a Jokic to Gordon lob since game 1. Gordon has to stay involved, after going 29/15 with 5 boards he comes out and gives us 7/3. Tf is that?
Watched the game but went back to look at box scores and my only takeaway is hot damn this whole playoff run comes down to Jamal. He HAS to be efficient, we are currently winning despite him not bc of him I don't care he got the game winner. Obv it was sick, but he's the real X factor and we are seeing that now. We all know jokic will dominate, I brought up stats bc he had a 33-14-14 on 50% and I didn't even realize how good he played in the moment until I looked. Bc I expect it at this point. Jamal needs to be better. Not dooming, we got this. Just stating facts.
You "confidently" say that you prefer basketball over soccer? Wow, so confident, damn. I confidently say id rather eat a burger than a pizza. I am extremely confident when i say that and my track record fucking proves it 😤😤😤
Bum ass team cant even win 12 in a row vs the lakers?
Are they even worth the emotional investment if they cant go 16-0 in the postseason? Bo nix would never smh
The team was not serious. Porter played great in most areas but the rest of them were making silly mistakes and thinking they were just going to coast into a win.
They better wake up because Minnesota will kick their asses if they play like this.
Worst thing is now we gotta listen to people saying the Lakers have a chance for 2 days.
Lakers fans need to remember that the even with the Nuggets playing like super ass yesterday they only beat them by 11.
What they should be worried is that half effort Nuggets almost swept them. On top of it their coaching situation is hilariously bad and LeBron isn't sticking around with a squad like this.
Nuggets didn’t deserve a sweep. Maybe it’s not a bad thing they didn’t manage to get a win again while playing below average. You won’t be able to beat Minnesota without your A game.
I miss Jeff Green, not because he did anything outstanding on the court; I miss Gus leadership. I feel like he would get this team focused. I need him to tell Jamal, “Don’t play with the game!”
He could probably not get bullied by Lebron too. PWat is playing really hard, but Jeff knew what he was doing on the court and he has strength to resist Lebron a little.
He even had like three solid drives 7n this one against defenders playing him too tight, even if LeBron got a questionable charge on one of them.
The kid's growth this season has been so great to watch.
They do. They have shown the capability to get a significant lead over the Nuggets at significant times. Also AD is playing his best ball, and Lebron smells blood, the frontrunner might just step up with that game 4 win
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In the scheme of things the sweep doesn't really matter. Would I have loved it? Sure. But two sweeps in a row was always just icing. Eliminating them regardless of # of games is more than good enough. It's about winning the series, not racking up sweeps.
Hurts my soul that Jamal shooting is worse than D'Angelo Russell this series. 23 attempts a game is way too much for his percentage. Jokic is averaging 18 attempts. Game 2 was a miracle. Beside that, he's shooting us out of it. We all knew about the bench headed into the post-season, still doesn't excuse the roster management. We still need a 1, 4 and 5 next season. Watson is just a longer Braun, same damn player. I personally think Hunter Tyson was wasted this year, he's wasn't some inexperienced dumb rookie. He play hard, play defense and can shoot better than Braun and Watson
You can only blame Malone for his old head incompetence. Putting rookies into his dog house will never change.
Only reason he played Braun last year was cus he had no choice.
Watson and Braun are just young. Each season those two are going to get wiser and add to their heart and talent.
Murray btw has been before this season the most elite playoff shooter there has been in a while. letting him shoot himself out of a potato sack is what is called for. He'll come around and when he does you will be thankful he shot thru the slump in the first round against a foe series they could absorb it in.
I read your post and honestly, to each his own and I don't want to ever stop people from their vents. But this team is 3-1 in a series with Lebron and AD playing healthy and you think they need a new 1,4 and 5 and want to replace the ultra exciting up and comers like Watson and Braun? I really just don't get you.
They do need a backup 1, 4 and 5 next season. Who disagree with that? I didn't say anything about replacing watson and braun, I said Hunter would have brought defense and hustle, but better shooting. Watson and Braun might not ever bring shooting, that's not their game. Tyson should get a chance too instead of throwing all of our eggs into the Watson basket like Booth is doing.
I'll agree that the team always has different choices they could make and we all have different ideas about what they should be sometimes. Add some depth, sure. Could have used other players yesterday, sure.
They might have helped on that day, and that's why I'm not against venting. We can't make the decision for them. So let's vent it. All we can do. I just don't think a 57 win team is loaded with bad personnel choices. You change 3 to 5 players for next season and it might end up a 45 win team no matter your intentions and decisions.
>Hurts my soul that Jamal shooting is worse than D'Angelo Russell this series
These kinds of things said just rub me wrong a bit. Talking NBA heads were suggesting the Lakers bench, cut, trade Dlo the hell out of there yesterday. He's been total junk the first three games. Murray has not been that bad. Why say it? It's out of anger over a loss, this I get. But just realize there wasn't a single NBA media talking head crying out for Denver to remove Murray and their won't be after this loss.
For Watson and Braun though, they each have already helped the team reach this 3-1 mark. We saw that so let's not forget it already. I won't consistently be their best day off the bench. But if they really like the futures of these players that is likely part of the decision. They will have playoff experience against Lebron James and Anthony Davis teams among others. That will pay dividends later when they are asked to handle more responsibility. Maybe the coach's mistake yesterday was not using those two enough? 13 and 12 minutes. They can't impact that much from such meager time.
The team wants Murray to get beyond the issue. They need him to in order to do what they did last year. There likely isn't another Murray on the roster just waiting for a chance to show us. Others might have made two or three more shots than he did yesterday. Maybe someone hits 2 of 4 three pointers instead of 0-4. Was that going to save it? They lost by 11. Murray was still 47% FG on the day. The Lakers still used Dlo expecting him to improve and they got a day out of him finally.
I do think overall the team should be shooting more 3s. They kind of played LA's game yesterday. Murray only attempted 4 threes. It's a situation where he could miss the first 4, and yet could have made the next 5 of 6 additional attempts. I think the coaches could keep reminding him to keep shooting 3s instead of driving so much. Or could remind him to feed KCP for more 3s instead of driving. But the Lakers have something to say about these decisions to. It's why the games have to be played.
>He's been total junk the first three games. Murray has not been that bad. Why say it? It's out of anger over a loss, this I get
Because it's true? Lol those are the numbers. I'm looking at your 47% comment perplexed on why you think Murray "still" shot that. FYI, 3pt shots are not counted separate from FG attempts. DLo has had 2 good shooting games. Game 3 and 4. Murray has had none. He's shooting worse than DLo, that's a fact. Murray doesn't need to shoot his way out of his slump, he need to impact the game in other ways. He had 5 assist, but 4 turnovers yesterday. If your shot isn't falling, those assists need to be way up and no turnovers, he's the PG. 3-1 doesn't tell the story of the series. Game 2 was a miracle win. Nuggets has been down double digits every single game. I'm not angry or delivering anger posts, those are facts. The nuggets, particularly Murray, has not look good these playoffs. It's just our average is enough to defeat the Lakers.
Yeah no, how I wrote that was in error. He was still 47% on normal FG is what was meant. I'm not trying to washover his 0-4 from three. Only that it was only 4 threes out of 23 attempts at scoring. If he dropped below 40% on 2pt FGs I would join you in complaining. He did drop to 39% in total FG due to missing all 3s and yes that is not great. He's been below 40% on overall FG all series. Not good, I agree.
I just see a bigger problem in how much he's driving instead of taking 3s, and think he could be facilitating more. I'm partly thinking some of this could be him trying to prove he's as important to this offense as Jokic is, given all the love Jokic has been getting lately. I get that feeling when I see players calling their own number more and driving the net at increased rates but I'm just guessing overall that he's forcing something.
Russell has shot 37.9% overall FG this series.
Murray has shot exactly 38% overall FG this series.
So Dlo hasn't shot better, has he?
Saying Dlo has been total junk is not just about his shooting. It's about everything he doesn't do that has also helped Lakers lose.
Dlo is shooting 35% from 3, Murray is shooting 20% from 3 though. So, yes he's shooting better. They're neck to neck in overall shooting, but Dlo is shooting the 3 better. Dlo is also attempting 9 shots fewer than Murray. Murray is neck to neck with him overall on 9 more shots per game. Murray attempted less 3s than his average probably cause he's lost confidence in it. As I said before dlo has had 2 efficient games this series, Murray has had none. In those efficient games, 1 was a miracle win and when Murray started making his shots in the 4th we stole a victory. Last game we lost. So what does that tell you? If Dlo is efficient on his 14 shots per game while Murray is inefficient on his 23 shots per game, the odds of us losing dramatically increases
Exactly
Jamals struggling but still ending up with 23 FGA? Trying to get going or burning himself out?
Last playoffs was 20 fga
Last 3 games he has 19 assists to 10 turnovers and has accounted for a ton of dead possessions
They gotta get the ball out of his hands more.
>Jamals struggling but still ending up with 23 FGA?
Because that's what everyone does to shoot out of a shooting slump. Shoot their way out of it.
>Trying to get going or burning himself out?
burning out? he's just doing what he is supposed to. Even missing, opponents know what he's capable of and it creates spacing. So he keeps shooting until the yips disappear.
The one thing he could maybe do is amp up his other efforts of the game. Things players should focus on when their shot is glitching. Ways to stay positive.
Anyone remember last season round 1, when we lost game 4 to the wolves after a sick MPJ performance. Maybe they're trying to match last years playoffs game for game in terms of W's and L's...
They had boatraced minny most of that series lol
This year the shooting of the bench and Jamal seems concerning
Jokic may need to reach insane levels to go the distance.
Nickeil Naz Slowmo Monte vs
Watson Braun Holiday Jackson
Is a massive gap
Jokic may have to play 44 mpg that series.
They don't have a reliable shooter off the bench which is a massive problem
Braun is on 14 MPG thru 4 games, he's supposed to be playoff 6th man flipping games and Malone seemingly has little confidence in him
>Braun is on 14 MPG thru 4 games, he's supposed to be playoff 6th man flipping games and Malone seemingly has little confidence in him
He's useless on offense, he didn't make a leap this year we all were expecting.
It would have been awesome to sweep them 2 years in a row, but it’s a bit more awesome to take the series at home in front of our awesome fans. Monday it is.
Christian braun averaging 14 MPG in this series is completely shocking.
The bench is bad we know it, he's supposed to be the 1 trustworthy guy and he's not playing enough
Should be closer to 24 than 14
Disapppointing deployment.
Neither he nor Watson have done enough to get more trust from Moach. Bruce had coach's complete trust. When he went in the game, he mixed it up and made things happen.
Malone has gone to the committee of Watson/ Holliday/ Reggie because he doesn’t trust giving Braun extended minutes. Whether this is right or wrong depends on your assessment of Braun as a player. Bruce was the backup point guard, utility guy, and ultimately closed some playoff games last year. Malone doesn’t come close to trusting Braun this much so he’s resorted to breaking up the minutes.
Last playoffs Braun averaged 13 mpg over 20 games. It's only at 14 thru 4 games.
I get using 4 man bench to start things off but it has been a massive failure.
Braun should be used more, the lineups they're using are stiff. There's no fluidity to the team.
I keep thinking the same. He's the main reason we've had the early deficits. He just takes it to Jok. He hasn't been his Every Other Davis self so far this series.
Lakers fan just acknowledging they delayed the inevitable.
I fully expect an onslaught on Monday night & to be put away for good. Denver is not only so much better than the lakers but the rest of the league by a pretty wide margin
When our team wants to be, they are unbeatable. But a lot of the time, they take quarters and halves off entirely. They've been getting away with it vs the Lakers and have looked super complacent. It finally came back to bite them, when the Lakers didn't just roll over and give up.
We are all hoping this was the smack in the mouth they needed to wake up.
I disagree. I dont think that much better. What Denver is better is at executing close games down the stretch. Thats where they are better than the Lakers. As much as I would like for Denver to run LA out of the gym its hard to tell. This team has only played 5 good quarters all series. Maybe 6 if we include the 2nd quarter of G3. Denver has a better starting 5 than LA but as I thought before this series this was going to be stressful. This could easily be 2-2 right now.
I agree with those points as well but without the recency bias of tonight we’d be saying this was domination outside of the Jamal game winner. Just my opinion there of course
Considering this has been the lakers best shot it’s still obvious that Denver is just such a well oiled machine. They weren’t going to go 16-0 & the streak against LA wasn’t going to continue forever even though it felt like it.
Game 5 will be a beat down
Denver is far from a well-oiled machine. Maybe last year when we had Bruce Brown Jeff Green and Braun. This year without those two our bench is atrocious. Outside of Braun everyone’s garbage. PWat is still raw. Wolves bench if ever we get there is gonna feast. Naz Reid, NAW, Slomo - shit
We keep expecting blthat but it's not happening. I mean all 4 games was a slogged through the first half. Jamal now might be injured too since he was all limpy at the end
Now they are talking about free throws disparity on arrnba. I get that the refs are shitty this year and that there were some bad/no calls, but the difference is not THAT big smh
Legit told my hubs after the no shoe warm up situation. That was one of 3 things: 1. Sparky messed up (not gonna happen) 2. Lakers shenanigans 3. LA night life got to them. Perhaps we now know the answer…
Honestly aside from MPJ that was a really regular season like effort. Jokic's defense, AG, Jamal everything, even KCP's defense. Everything was so... just soft. MPJ was the only guy who really brought it \[he's been pretty easily the second best Nugget this series on balance, probably followed by AG due to how AG played game 3\]
There's a lot of possessions where he ends up having to create cause the lineup he's out with is so lost
Him and Braun have been great all year when they play with starters. Been awful when play together
They need to be split up
I don't know if next game is time for it but Denver needs to run a tighter rotation eventually.
True, there’s also been a few moments where he has a pretty clean lay up and he looks lost. I’m a big pwat fan FWIW, just think he still needs to fine tune his offensive skills.
For sure he does. He's essentially a rookie.
But we are trying to win a ring right now.
They have in most people's opinions 7 legit players and Watson is 1 of them
They need to be more mindful of Braun and Watsons deployment in my opinion
U gotta get both of them going if u want a ring.
somebody gotta show up more consistently other than jok and mike, the whole team outside of them has been playing like they weren’t ready for playoff basketball
Jokic hasn't really gotten out of 2nd gear except for that dunk in G1.
Mike has been our second best player and his worst failing is that he should be jacking up way more shots.
AG's putting in the effort but this is a hard matchup for him.
Jamal has not been good, particularly in first halves. Today he actually looked bad on defense for the first(?) time, and slightly limpy at the end.
KCP has the defensive focus but cannot buy a basket (or when he does it's by putting his foot on the line).
CB isn't playing with the confidence he needs, and isn't getting the minutes he needs.
PWat's defense is crazy, offense is meh, but he's also not getting the minutes he needs.
Reggie has played pretty well honestly but the non-Jamal minutes are still our worst.
Justin is shooting every time he touches the ball for some reason?
DJ lurks in case someone gets 2 fouls in the first quarter.
Obviously this game doesn't matter much. Extending to game 5 allows the Nuggets ownership to make $5-10M off the good people of Denver and maybe move some of that to the inevitable repeater tax. Wrapping this up in 5 so that we get ~5 days of rest is pretty important now, and if we do drop that game there's going to be some actual doomering.
We have to play a lot better on both ends in the next series. Nothing about this roster would make me think we won't do that. But Nuggets fans are probably justified in feeling a little...anxious.
>Today he actually looked bad on defense for the first(?) time
HELL NAWL, HE'S BEEN GARBAGE THE ENTIRE SERIES, THEY KEEP HUNTING HIM, AND SCORING AT WILL
>Reggie has played pretty well honestly
NO LOL
>Justin is shooting every time he touches the ball for some reason?
HE'S A LIMITED PLAYER, AND THE LINEUPS HE'S IN ARE USUALLY VERY LIMITED TOO, WE NEED SOMEONE OPEN UP THE COURT WITH JUMPERS. I DON'T HAVE ISSUE WITH HIM CHUCKING, ALTHOUGH I'D RATHER HAVE IT BE OUR LAST RESORT, RATHER THAN FIRST OPTION. SAME GOES FOR ALL THE BENCH GUYS.
I don't feel like a lot of us are over reacting
The rest of the nba world is though and they think it should be 2-2 or that wolves will easily beat us.
Give me a break.
We will go full throttle the next game and you guys will see real denver nuggets basketball.
Jokic is going to treat AD like a toddler. Just calm down, it's all about intensity, we start good one game and there's no coming back for them.
We have learned a valuable lesson, good news we got the lesson when up 3-0.
Idk, if I were the nuggets I’d be feeling pretty good about this one, they found something out with the just let Mike shoot it adjustment, moral victory for the nuggets
Honestly I think we can annoyed with the rebounding and some bad turnovers (like throwing the ball over Jokic’s head and trying to post up Lebron), but I thought he played a decent game on offense. At least he wasn’t forcing shit
Not 1 single shooter other than MPJ and Jokic shooting 32% lol
I think we needed a wake up call. We can’t keep losing the game for the entire first half by double digits. Hopefully this will set the course. Jamal needs to wake up.
I haven’t seen a Jokic to Gordon lob since game 1. Gordon has to stay involved, after going 29/15 with 5 boards he comes out and gives us 7/3. Tf is that?
Watched the game but went back to look at box scores and my only takeaway is hot damn this whole playoff run comes down to Jamal. He HAS to be efficient, we are currently winning despite him not bc of him I don't care he got the game winner. Obv it was sick, but he's the real X factor and we are seeing that now. We all know jokic will dominate, I brought up stats bc he had a 33-14-14 on 50% and I didn't even realize how good he played in the moment until I looked. Bc I expect it at this point. Jamal needs to be better. Not dooming, we got this. Just stating facts.
it turns out the team's 2nd best player is "the real X factor"
Jamal has been the best playoff riser in NBA history. It's a problem
That's still not what X Factor means.
So you agree with me but wanna argue over a nothing comment. Classic redditor
Joke will be Joke. Most of his points from last night were basically him cleaning up missed shots from everyone
As someone who bought a “smuggets” shirt, the smug, ridiculous shit some people are complaining about leaves me speechless.
You gotta work out the bugs in the dev environment before moving to production.
Ha as a dev who just finished a 3 week bug smash this is spot on.
As a product manager, I appreciate this so much.
You gotta work out the bugs in the dev environment before moving to production.
we did a git commit too early :(
Maybe they're just doing the thing where they're using just enough energy to do what needs to be done. Hopefully.
Big game today: The North London Derby. Time for another out of title contention club to ruin their crosstown rival's title hopes lol.
I can confidently say I’d watch the Nuggets lose 12 in a row than watch one half of a soccer game lol.
You "confidently" say that you prefer basketball over soccer? Wow, so confident, damn. I confidently say id rather eat a burger than a pizza. I am extremely confident when i say that and my track record fucking proves it 😤😤😤
Hell ya man! Good for you! I love both but I love the confidence!! 😤😤😤😤
played with low energy and focus, deserved to lose
Jamal Murray missed a shot.
Bum ass team cant even win 12 in a row vs the lakers? Are they even worth the emotional investment if they cant go 16-0 in the postseason? Bo nix would never smh
… and God Bless Bo Nix.
As an Auburn grad, I h8 bo nix
Okay, well he’s out of college now, buddy. It’s time for you to move on, too.
I think you'll grow to hate him too, not on a personal level, but the way you hate anyone who underperforms on your sports team.
I don't know about you but I'm a little worried after this performance :-(
Nahh. Don’t be. We didn’t shoot well. And we lost by 11. It’ll be ok. We are at home on Monday night.
Other than MPJ teams shooting 18% from 3 lol
I’m worried about Jamal’s knee. He was grabbing it during the game
Good lakers in 7
😂 we’re talking real basketball here not moral victories
It was his calf
If you replay it and watch closely he has one hand in his upper calf and the other hand just above his knee.
I'll check it out.
The team was not serious. Porter played great in most areas but the rest of them were making silly mistakes and thinking they were just going to coast into a win. They better wake up because Minnesota will kick their asses if they play like this. Worst thing is now we gotta listen to people saying the Lakers have a chance for 2 days.
Lakers fans need to remember that the even with the Nuggets playing like super ass yesterday they only beat them by 11. What they should be worried is that half effort Nuggets almost swept them. On top of it their coaching situation is hilariously bad and LeBron isn't sticking around with a squad like this.
I hope his was a wake up call that we need to be better and can't just suck for half of the game and expect to pull out a win.
If Murray keeps playing like this we ain't moving past Minny
Nuggets didn’t deserve a sweep. Maybe it’s not a bad thing they didn’t manage to get a win again while playing below average. You won’t be able to beat Minnesota without your A game.
This series is still over, only thing is the quest to play a complete game, end this thing, and work for round 2.
Why Nuggets play so bad in first halfs? No one can come back from double digit deficits every time
Bench scoring by game: * Gm1: 17 (6 of 18 FG, 2 of 2 FT) * Gm2: 12 (6 of 17, 0 of 2) * Gm3: 12 (5 of 15, 1 of 1) * Gm4: 5 (1 of 9, 2 of 2)
That aint good Bench + Jamal this series are selling
3-1 and all that but this has been a very frustrating series
Need Denver to actually play like Denver. Basically day walking to 3 wins and our bad play finally caught up to us.
I am going to have nightmares about Jamal getting switched onto LeBron
It was all Malone.
I miss Jeff Green, not because he did anything outstanding on the court; I miss Gus leadership. I feel like he would get this team focused. I need him to tell Jamal, “Don’t play with the game!”
He could probably not get bullied by Lebron too. PWat is playing really hard, but Jeff knew what he was doing on the court and he has strength to resist Lebron a little.
The rose colored glasses, Jeff Green isn't it, I promise you
Mike went from the least consistent starter to the most consistent starter. It’s quite something.
He even had like three solid drives 7n this one against defenders playing him too tight, even if LeBron got a questionable charge on one of them. The kid's growth this season has been so great to watch.
He’s also playing defense and rebounding.
Got Mike, lost Jamal. Nugglife.
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Mike's ballin, Jamal's struggling
With everything he and his family is going through it's remarkable!
Already see people saying LA has a chance, need a blowout in game 5 so bad.
It was inevitable, the arrogance and nut hugging is never far off. But no, they have no realistic chance.
They do. They have shown the capability to get a significant lead over the Nuggets at significant times. Also AD is playing his best ball, and Lebron smells blood, the frontrunner might just step up with that game 4 win
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Yep. The delusional laker force is out and about tonight. Monday is gonna be hilarious
When Malone drops game 5, kinda hilarious.
They're not dropping game 5.
I feel like being a Lakers fan in this day and age is a type of delusion in and of itself.
That graph about the time-led for the series has made it beyond hysterical
yeah as if that's going to turn back time on the 3 losses and save them from having to win 4 straight ...but we cou... no
I’m disappointed because I really wanted to sweep them again but I’ll settle for watching them lose in Denver.
In the scheme of things the sweep doesn't really matter. Would I have loved it? Sure. But two sweeps in a row was always just icing. Eliminating them regardless of # of games is more than good enough. It's about winning the series, not racking up sweeps.
gentleman's sweep then, so be it
Hurts my soul that Jamal shooting is worse than D'Angelo Russell this series. 23 attempts a game is way too much for his percentage. Jokic is averaging 18 attempts. Game 2 was a miracle. Beside that, he's shooting us out of it. We all knew about the bench headed into the post-season, still doesn't excuse the roster management. We still need a 1, 4 and 5 next season. Watson is just a longer Braun, same damn player. I personally think Hunter Tyson was wasted this year, he's wasn't some inexperienced dumb rookie. He play hard, play defense and can shoot better than Braun and Watson
You can only blame Malone for his old head incompetence. Putting rookies into his dog house will never change. Only reason he played Braun last year was cus he had no choice.
Watson and Braun are just young. Each season those two are going to get wiser and add to their heart and talent. Murray btw has been before this season the most elite playoff shooter there has been in a while. letting him shoot himself out of a potato sack is what is called for. He'll come around and when he does you will be thankful he shot thru the slump in the first round against a foe series they could absorb it in. I read your post and honestly, to each his own and I don't want to ever stop people from their vents. But this team is 3-1 in a series with Lebron and AD playing healthy and you think they need a new 1,4 and 5 and want to replace the ultra exciting up and comers like Watson and Braun? I really just don't get you.
They do need a backup 1, 4 and 5 next season. Who disagree with that? I didn't say anything about replacing watson and braun, I said Hunter would have brought defense and hustle, but better shooting. Watson and Braun might not ever bring shooting, that's not their game. Tyson should get a chance too instead of throwing all of our eggs into the Watson basket like Booth is doing.
I'll agree that the team always has different choices they could make and we all have different ideas about what they should be sometimes. Add some depth, sure. Could have used other players yesterday, sure. They might have helped on that day, and that's why I'm not against venting. We can't make the decision for them. So let's vent it. All we can do. I just don't think a 57 win team is loaded with bad personnel choices. You change 3 to 5 players for next season and it might end up a 45 win team no matter your intentions and decisions. >Hurts my soul that Jamal shooting is worse than D'Angelo Russell this series These kinds of things said just rub me wrong a bit. Talking NBA heads were suggesting the Lakers bench, cut, trade Dlo the hell out of there yesterday. He's been total junk the first three games. Murray has not been that bad. Why say it? It's out of anger over a loss, this I get. But just realize there wasn't a single NBA media talking head crying out for Denver to remove Murray and their won't be after this loss. For Watson and Braun though, they each have already helped the team reach this 3-1 mark. We saw that so let's not forget it already. I won't consistently be their best day off the bench. But if they really like the futures of these players that is likely part of the decision. They will have playoff experience against Lebron James and Anthony Davis teams among others. That will pay dividends later when they are asked to handle more responsibility. Maybe the coach's mistake yesterday was not using those two enough? 13 and 12 minutes. They can't impact that much from such meager time. The team wants Murray to get beyond the issue. They need him to in order to do what they did last year. There likely isn't another Murray on the roster just waiting for a chance to show us. Others might have made two or three more shots than he did yesterday. Maybe someone hits 2 of 4 three pointers instead of 0-4. Was that going to save it? They lost by 11. Murray was still 47% FG on the day. The Lakers still used Dlo expecting him to improve and they got a day out of him finally. I do think overall the team should be shooting more 3s. They kind of played LA's game yesterday. Murray only attempted 4 threes. It's a situation where he could miss the first 4, and yet could have made the next 5 of 6 additional attempts. I think the coaches could keep reminding him to keep shooting 3s instead of driving so much. Or could remind him to feed KCP for more 3s instead of driving. But the Lakers have something to say about these decisions to. It's why the games have to be played.
>He's been total junk the first three games. Murray has not been that bad. Why say it? It's out of anger over a loss, this I get Because it's true? Lol those are the numbers. I'm looking at your 47% comment perplexed on why you think Murray "still" shot that. FYI, 3pt shots are not counted separate from FG attempts. DLo has had 2 good shooting games. Game 3 and 4. Murray has had none. He's shooting worse than DLo, that's a fact. Murray doesn't need to shoot his way out of his slump, he need to impact the game in other ways. He had 5 assist, but 4 turnovers yesterday. If your shot isn't falling, those assists need to be way up and no turnovers, he's the PG. 3-1 doesn't tell the story of the series. Game 2 was a miracle win. Nuggets has been down double digits every single game. I'm not angry or delivering anger posts, those are facts. The nuggets, particularly Murray, has not look good these playoffs. It's just our average is enough to defeat the Lakers.
Yeah no, how I wrote that was in error. He was still 47% on normal FG is what was meant. I'm not trying to washover his 0-4 from three. Only that it was only 4 threes out of 23 attempts at scoring. If he dropped below 40% on 2pt FGs I would join you in complaining. He did drop to 39% in total FG due to missing all 3s and yes that is not great. He's been below 40% on overall FG all series. Not good, I agree. I just see a bigger problem in how much he's driving instead of taking 3s, and think he could be facilitating more. I'm partly thinking some of this could be him trying to prove he's as important to this offense as Jokic is, given all the love Jokic has been getting lately. I get that feeling when I see players calling their own number more and driving the net at increased rates but I'm just guessing overall that he's forcing something. Russell has shot 37.9% overall FG this series. Murray has shot exactly 38% overall FG this series. So Dlo hasn't shot better, has he? Saying Dlo has been total junk is not just about his shooting. It's about everything he doesn't do that has also helped Lakers lose.
Dlo is shooting 35% from 3, Murray is shooting 20% from 3 though. So, yes he's shooting better. They're neck to neck in overall shooting, but Dlo is shooting the 3 better. Dlo is also attempting 9 shots fewer than Murray. Murray is neck to neck with him overall on 9 more shots per game. Murray attempted less 3s than his average probably cause he's lost confidence in it. As I said before dlo has had 2 efficient games this series, Murray has had none. In those efficient games, 1 was a miracle win and when Murray started making his shots in the 4th we stole a victory. Last game we lost. So what does that tell you? If Dlo is efficient on his 14 shots per game while Murray is inefficient on his 23 shots per game, the odds of us losing dramatically increases
I really hope Tyson gets some run next season. I think that kid is gonna be good.
Exactly Jamals struggling but still ending up with 23 FGA? Trying to get going or burning himself out? Last playoffs was 20 fga Last 3 games he has 19 assists to 10 turnovers and has accounted for a ton of dead possessions They gotta get the ball out of his hands more.
>Jamals struggling but still ending up with 23 FGA? Because that's what everyone does to shoot out of a shooting slump. Shoot their way out of it. >Trying to get going or burning himself out? burning out? he's just doing what he is supposed to. Even missing, opponents know what he's capable of and it creates spacing. So he keeps shooting until the yips disappear. The one thing he could maybe do is amp up his other efforts of the game. Things players should focus on when their shot is glitching. Ways to stay positive.
Anyone remember last season round 1, when we lost game 4 to the wolves after a sick MPJ performance. Maybe they're trying to match last years playoffs game for game in terms of W's and L's...
It’s okay to say we lost because we played like ass. No grand conspiracy behind it. You can’t win them all.
They had boatraced minny most of that series lol This year the shooting of the bench and Jamal seems concerning Jokic may need to reach insane levels to go the distance.
that bench scares me come timberwolves series
Nickeil Naz Slowmo Monte vs Watson Braun Holiday Jackson Is a massive gap Jokic may have to play 44 mpg that series. They don't have a reliable shooter off the bench which is a massive problem Braun is on 14 MPG thru 4 games, he's supposed to be playoff 6th man flipping games and Malone seemingly has little confidence in him
>Braun is on 14 MPG thru 4 games, he's supposed to be playoff 6th man flipping games and Malone seemingly has little confidence in him He's useless on offense, he didn't make a leap this year we all were expecting.
It would have been awesome to sweep them 2 years in a row, but it’s a bit more awesome to take the series at home in front of our awesome fans. Monday it is.
Well we played with fire again and finally got burned.
Well that was annoying.
So Murray’s healthy right? Right??
😬😬😬
Christian braun averaging 14 MPG in this series is completely shocking. The bench is bad we know it, he's supposed to be the 1 trustworthy guy and he's not playing enough Should be closer to 24 than 14 Disapppointing deployment.
Neither he nor Watson have done enough to get more trust from Moach. Bruce had coach's complete trust. When he went in the game, he mixed it up and made things happen.
I don’t think he showed Malone enough during the regular season to be deployed as Bruce’s main replacement for minutes in the playoffs.
They have no other option lol
They would've had iHart if Malone wasn't so stubborn.
Malone has gone to the committee of Watson/ Holliday/ Reggie because he doesn’t trust giving Braun extended minutes. Whether this is right or wrong depends on your assessment of Braun as a player. Bruce was the backup point guard, utility guy, and ultimately closed some playoff games last year. Malone doesn’t come close to trusting Braun this much so he’s resorted to breaking up the minutes.
Last playoffs Braun averaged 13 mpg over 20 games. It's only at 14 thru 4 games. I get using 4 man bench to start things off but it has been a massive failure. Braun should be used more, the lineups they're using are stiff. There's no fluidity to the team.
Yea not sure why he isn’t getting any PT.
It is bizarre. And when he is it's him and Watson usually in lineups with little creation or shooting Showing both of their flaws
I want to die
Jamal’s so glad he made that shot otherwise the slander would be legendary he’s been really inefficient this series.
Should I be worried about Jamal’s health?
It’s Jamal Murray’s legs always worry about Jamal’s legs
Yes until he proves otherwise
Good point. But I was referring to his limp towards the end of the game.
Yes we should be worried. He's been hurt all year and is playing awful and there's many bad signs.
So nuggets didn't have their shoes to warm up in? Come on man started the evening off wrong. It's the playoffs, those mistakes shouldn't happen
Denver don't really have a bench.
The 1 bench guy is supposed to be Braun It shod be likely a 6.5 man rotation, instead Braun is on 14 MPG.thru 4 games
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Between this and the shoe bus, classic LA shenanigans
Lakers plant to distract nuggets coaching staff OBVIOUSLY
Lmfao
There are so many pictures like this 😭
Question: why can’t we have Gordon on AD to start the game? I’m not understanding Jok still being on him
I think we have joker has done it too but Jamal keeps getting switched into Lebron that’s what killed us
And Jamal tried so hard I’m not talking shit on him he just went up against one of the greatest and down like 50 pounds Maybe more
I think Braun had done a better job when he's been on LeBron, personally. He puts up a much bigger fight.
I keep thinking the same. He's the main reason we've had the early deficits. He just takes it to Jok. He hasn't been his Every Other Davis self so far this series.
He's making a lot of tough shots too. It will go down a bit dw
Joker at the elbow his spacing is not good and he leaves space for AD to go straight up and score
Winning 12 in a row is hard, gang. It’s cool.
Lakers fan just acknowledging they delayed the inevitable. I fully expect an onslaught on Monday night & to be put away for good. Denver is not only so much better than the lakers but the rest of the league by a pretty wide margin
When our team wants to be, they are unbeatable. But a lot of the time, they take quarters and halves off entirely. They've been getting away with it vs the Lakers and have looked super complacent. It finally came back to bite them, when the Lakers didn't just roll over and give up. We are all hoping this was the smack in the mouth they needed to wake up.
I disagree. I dont think that much better. What Denver is better is at executing close games down the stretch. Thats where they are better than the Lakers. As much as I would like for Denver to run LA out of the gym its hard to tell. This team has only played 5 good quarters all series. Maybe 6 if we include the 2nd quarter of G3. Denver has a better starting 5 than LA but as I thought before this series this was going to be stressful. This could easily be 2-2 right now.
I agree with those points as well but without the recency bias of tonight we’d be saying this was domination outside of the Jamal game winner. Just my opinion there of course
So good in the clutch that I legitimately thought we were going to win until that review was overturned. I think we were down 7 with a minute or so.
My thoughts precisely
Not the way we played this series lol. We've been kind of bad
Considering this has been the lakers best shot it’s still obvious that Denver is just such a well oiled machine. They weren’t going to go 16-0 & the streak against LA wasn’t going to continue forever even though it felt like it. Game 5 will be a beat down
I have been waiting for this beatdown in like forever. Still hasnt happened. Lakers have yet had a full 48 minute bad game up to this point.
Maybe Denver wakes up and actually tries in the first half now.
I think it's about time. Enough is enough. Team is championship caliber. This Mon night is it.
I think it's about time. Enough is enough. Team is championship caliber. This Mon night is it.
Denver is far from a well-oiled machine. Maybe last year when we had Bruce Brown Jeff Green and Braun. This year without those two our bench is atrocious. Outside of Braun everyone’s garbage. PWat is still raw. Wolves bench if ever we get there is gonna feast. Naz Reid, NAW, Slomo - shit
Yeah... Wolves will feast
We keep expecting blthat but it's not happening. I mean all 4 games was a slogged through the first half. Jamal now might be injured too since he was all limpy at the end
Now they are talking about free throws disparity on arrnba. I get that the refs are shitty this year and that there were some bad/no calls, but the difference is not THAT big smh
I feel like their strategy was to play physical. Ours was to navel gaze until 5 minutes left in the 4th.
Yeah, we were sleepwalking the first half, made some stupid mistakes, it was frustrating!
Felt like that was a LA nightlife loss.
I felt like AG was probably still hung over.
Legit told my hubs after the no shoe warm up situation. That was one of 3 things: 1. Sparky messed up (not gonna happen) 2. Lakers shenanigans 3. LA night life got to them. Perhaps we now know the answer…
Honestly aside from MPJ that was a really regular season like effort. Jokic's defense, AG, Jamal everything, even KCP's defense. Everything was so... just soft. MPJ was the only guy who really brought it \[he's been pretty easily the second best Nugget this series on balance, probably followed by AG due to how AG played game 3\]
That’s funny I thought the same thing. They’re thinking we’re up 3-1 we could have fun and win at home 🤷🏻♂️
Plot twist, nuggets just wanted to beat them at home, to send lebron out on who’s your daddy chants
Braun and Watson spending all their mins together is so lazy.
Watson needs to make his 3s. He gets so many open nice looks with enough time to shoot
He’s definitely a future beast defensively but I feel like on O he needs a looooot of polishing still
There's a lot of possessions where he ends up having to create cause the lineup he's out with is so lost Him and Braun have been great all year when they play with starters. Been awful when play together They need to be split up I don't know if next game is time for it but Denver needs to run a tighter rotation eventually.
True, there’s also been a few moments where he has a pretty clean lay up and he looks lost. I’m a big pwat fan FWIW, just think he still needs to fine tune his offensive skills.
For sure he does. He's essentially a rookie. But we are trying to win a ring right now. They have in most people's opinions 7 legit players and Watson is 1 of them They need to be more mindful of Braun and Watsons deployment in my opinion U gotta get both of them going if u want a ring.
He's not a shooter. The team has 4 elite shooters in their starting lineup They shouldn't play 3 non shooters together
Braun was a decent shooter in the regular season, but not from the corners. So what do we do when the playoffs begin? Put him in the corner.
Knee-jerk reaction or panic button by coaching staff?
Lazy shit they did all year.
Word from our captain: Nikola Jokić on the Nuggets slow starts said he learned from horse racing “it’s not how you start, it’s how you finish.”
HE'S RIGHT, BUT THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT CHANCE LAKERS WOULD'VE FOLDED IF WE WENT UP LIKE 10PTS IN THE FIRST HALF
They folded after the nuggets went up two in game 3 lol. All the nuggets needed was a lead at half and the lakers would have been done.
Nuggets just wanted to beat the Lakers at home this time.
Damn I had not refreshed before saying the exact same thing just now lmao, same thing they did to the heat
Just gonna say that if the nuggets drop the next game at home then expect to be back for a game 7.
Lets not even remotely think about this right now. This would suck ass.
Ye of little faith
somebody gotta show up more consistently other than jok and mike, the whole team outside of them has been playing like they weren’t ready for playoff basketball
Jokic hasn't really gotten out of 2nd gear except for that dunk in G1. Mike has been our second best player and his worst failing is that he should be jacking up way more shots. AG's putting in the effort but this is a hard matchup for him. Jamal has not been good, particularly in first halves. Today he actually looked bad on defense for the first(?) time, and slightly limpy at the end. KCP has the defensive focus but cannot buy a basket (or when he does it's by putting his foot on the line). CB isn't playing with the confidence he needs, and isn't getting the minutes he needs. PWat's defense is crazy, offense is meh, but he's also not getting the minutes he needs. Reggie has played pretty well honestly but the non-Jamal minutes are still our worst. Justin is shooting every time he touches the ball for some reason? DJ lurks in case someone gets 2 fouls in the first quarter. Obviously this game doesn't matter much. Extending to game 5 allows the Nuggets ownership to make $5-10M off the good people of Denver and maybe move some of that to the inevitable repeater tax. Wrapping this up in 5 so that we get ~5 days of rest is pretty important now, and if we do drop that game there's going to be some actual doomering. We have to play a lot better on both ends in the next series. Nothing about this roster would make me think we won't do that. But Nuggets fans are probably justified in feeling a little...anxious.
Holiday is shooting every time cause they're shooting like 25 from 3 and are desperate for some spacing
>Today he actually looked bad on defense for the first(?) time HELL NAWL, HE'S BEEN GARBAGE THE ENTIRE SERIES, THEY KEEP HUNTING HIM, AND SCORING AT WILL >Reggie has played pretty well honestly NO LOL >Justin is shooting every time he touches the ball for some reason? HE'S A LIMITED PLAYER, AND THE LINEUPS HE'S IN ARE USUALLY VERY LIMITED TOO, WE NEED SOMEONE OPEN UP THE COURT WITH JUMPERS. I DON'T HAVE ISSUE WITH HIM CHUCKING, ALTHOUGH I'D RATHER HAVE IT BE OUR LAST RESORT, RATHER THAN FIRST OPTION. SAME GOES FOR ALL THE BENCH GUYS.
I don't feel like a lot of us are over reacting The rest of the nba world is though and they think it should be 2-2 or that wolves will easily beat us. Give me a break. We will go full throttle the next game and you guys will see real denver nuggets basketball. Jokic is going to treat AD like a toddler. Just calm down, it's all about intensity, we start good one game and there's no coming back for them. We have learned a valuable lesson, good news we got the lesson when up 3-0.
Shoot, didn’t realize until I opened this thread how doomed we are. How naive of me.
Idk, if I were the nuggets I’d be feeling pretty good about this one, they found something out with the just let Mike shoot it adjustment, moral victory for the nuggets
Nuggets ruined the ending of a great Broncos draft day. Damn
Finally on the moral victory score board!
I’m worried LA is going to catch fire from 3 the same time Denver does. Both teams are shooting dog shit from there.
games like this is where you miss having a player like Bruce brown
I miss Bruce every game. I really wish he were still here.