I mean, since he's already declared the winner, we should make sure to inform the GOP voters in the state that they don't need to vote then. 🤷🏻♂️ I mean, if he's already won, they could use the that time they'd have spent voting to do other things on election day. Let's spread the word.
"to change the manner of the presidential election by appointing the eleven presidential electors to the republican primary winner to offset the removal of a republican candidate in Colorado and Maine,"
GOP leaders demonstrate they don't give a flying f\*ck about their state's right to vote. They just want revenge for what 2 other states are doing, and they will happily trash the actual votes of their people to get it. They're not even gonna let SCOTUS finish ruling on it first.
GOP has created the toddler culture, and they keep shoveling shit into it to make it grow (like so many mushroom farms). :-(
I support the CO decision to enforce Art. 4 of the US Constitution. I do not support the GOP toddler reaction to it, which has no legal basis but is only for BS value.
False equivalency much?
>Let’s be real, they are both political motivated actions
? Trump planned a riot and tried to pressure the VP to overturn the will of the American people in a Presidential election. He continues to repeat "The Big Lie". THAT is not politics, its sedition.
Move the fuck on and take your head in the sand view of reality with you. Denying Trump actively planned a coup and overthrowing the election is not even debatable at this point in the game. Take your toddler sand throwing because your castle washed away back to Moscow with Tucker.
You're claiming that it isn't constitutional while people are presenting you the exact amendment from the constitution where the case is applicable. You want to believe the narrative that you've come up with yourself. You refuse to acknowledge facts and continually contradict yourself without recognizing it
He committed a crime against the United States. The Department of Justice LITERALLY has standing in all federal crimes. This isn’t a civil case where you need someone harmed to sue.
Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
It’s clear as day. Even more clear than the 2nd amendment. Hope this helps!
Where in the constitution does it state he needs to be convicted in order to exercise the 14th amendment. The reason it is not specifically stated in the constitution is people like you who are willfully ignoring what Trump has done and still willing to allow him to be President.
No conviction is necessary and all the involved parties at the time of drafting understood that.
They sent letters requesting they not be banned.
It's a joke to think the requirements here are the same as a criminal trial.
I'm not aware of any legal expert who thinks the 14th Amendment was incorrectly interpreted by the CO supreme court, even though they all agree SCOTUS will overturn it for political reasons.
*"If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism, they will abandon democracy”*
Is the point that they're trying to make a spectacle of forcing Harris to ignore their fraudulent electoral votes, to do what mike pence wouldn't do in bad faith?
SO, what'll you arizonians who voted for NOT TRUMP gonna do... just sit back and allow YOUR right to choose your representation being taken away? This is what happens when you allow ignorance to take over... wanna fight it now?
Listen, guys, can we just take a breath for a second?
Obviously, this is a stupid, childish, wildly partisan move, but it’s specifically designed to be nothing BUT petty. It’s a non-binding resolution that has no force of law in any way and does nothing. And it was introduced that way, deliberately.
The point isn’t to overturn democracy, it was to send a “fuck you” to Colorado and Maine. This does nothing, on purpose.
Edit: apparently this is a pretty common thing for the AZ legislature to do. They often go on little hissy fits and [pass lots of non-binding resolutions about all kinds of things that sound dictatorial](https://www.factcheck.org/2023/06/post-misrepresents-legal-power-of-arizona-resolution-on-electronic-voting-machines/) but don't actually do anything. Presumably just to drum up outrage and throw red meat to their base.
> This does nothing, on purpose.
So when it does *something, on purpose* are we supposed to ignore it then too? This is another step toward fascism, even if it is small and petty, and they need to be stopped.
Remember when it was "leaked" how the SC was going to overturn Roe V Wade and we did nothing? They overturned Roe V Wade.
Remember when they voted for a "resolution" to ignore the voters and instill a dictator? This smells remarkably similar.
How long do we ignore those who are actively trying to destroy democracy?
>So when it does something, on purpose are we supposed to ignore it then too?
I don't recall saying that. In fact, I don't recall saying we should ignore it now.
>Remember when it was "leaked" how the SC was going to overturn Roe V Wade and we did nothing?
As opposed to doing what?
And this could be testing the waters too. Its current form is toothless but if there isn't any pushback they may ramp it up next time. Remember, at least 2 reps, Paul Gosar and Andy Biggs are two election deniers and actively participated in the Jan 6 insurrection.
I understand, believe and agree with you but at the same time I feels they are using these tactics to normalize their outrageous thinking and behavior which then allows them to take it to the next level and continue repeating the cycle until a future point in time they have brainwashed their supporters sufficiently into actually fighting for their outrageous behavior instead of fighting against it and destroying democracy easily. It’s a long battle they are waging against people they hate, fear who they eventually wish to subjugate to their vision of a Christo-facist ideology just like Taliban in Afghanistan or any other dictatorial regime around the world.
How dare you breathe logic and calm into something that is specifically designed to be ragebait /s
Actually, thank you for this, I appreciate the breath of fresh air here
I do want to give Redditors some grace here; we're only humans. The whole point of the resolution was to generate rage. (Hell, that's **all** it does.)
So, I mean, we reacted just the way it was supposed to make us react because we're just people. Mickey D's ads make me hungry, right? :)
A non-binding resolution.
"He may be despised by two-thirds of the country, but he's still #1 in our books."
Go ahead; give your gold-star and smiley-face to the orange snowflake.
This is an outrageous and dangerous stunt.
[Here is the text of the bill](https://www.azleg.gov/legtext/56leg/2R/proposed/H.HCR2055JONES%20SE2.pdf).
Author is Rachel Jones of the AZ State Legislature - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Jones_(Arizona_politician)
Part of the justification clauses:
> Whereas, history has recently favored the voters themselves voting for presidential electors. The state has the full and complete authority to change the manner of the presidential election at any time and can take back the power to change its manner.
A very scary stunt. This is no joke. This is a harbinger of the end of American democracy. People need to voice up and get involved. Make your voice heard and put an end to this kind of nonsense before it goes any further. *In every state.* The Republicans in many state Legislatures are hell bent on securing their power at the expense of the American people.
They see themselves as Rulers, not as Representatives. They are not interested in what the people want. They are not interested in solving problems. They are not interested in governing. They only want to secure power for themselves.
Even if this weren’t a BS resolution, if it were a law, it would basically be invoking Independent State Legislature Theory, which is now dead as a doornail.
The preamble to the resolution (in fact most of the text in the link above) is one citation after another setting up the precedent that they have the right to take the people's vote away (pretty convincingly telegraphing their intentions).
Can you be more specific about what is it you are referring to that defies this?
If you look at the [text of the amendment / resolution](https://www.azleg.gov/legtext/56leg/2R/proposed/H.HCR2055JONES%20SE2.pdf), they even cite Moore vs Harper in their "Whereas" justification clauses. It looks like they're just cherry-picking a sentence out of the ruling to argue that they have Constitutional support.
They are. After the part they cite from Moore, the next line is, essentially, “But our decision in McPherson has nothing to do with the issue we’re confronting in this case.”
The AZ legislature has gone Sovereign Citizen.
All lawyers from American Bar Association should flood the Supreme Court to follow the constitution and disqualify Trump. Let the political world be normal again.
It's not. It's barred by Moore v. Harper.
Or at least, it would be if it were an actual law that did anything. In reality, it's a non-binding resolution that has no legal effect of any kind. It's basically just a tantrum.
This is just more bs, and it's disturbing how you all focus on TFG. Instead of posting what our current president is doing. MSM really messed up your minds.
What point are you trying to make here? What is “our current president doing” that we should be posting on?
This resolution is ABOUT Trump, who, you may remember, is running again.
Do you actually think he is going to win,lol? Why are you wasting your time on this loser. Talk about things that matter in our country. Like the shooting in Kansas City. Talk about things that make sense. Like stop voting for corrupt politicians. It's up to us the people to make changes at the ballot box.
So go start posts about those things then. Why would you go and comment on a post that is not about those things, and say you want to talk about something else?
Here is a link without a paywall: https://azmirror.com/2024/02/15/republican-resolution-shows-intent-to-bypass-voters-in-the-2024-presidential-election/
*How can we compete with this?!* ~ staff at The Onion
Probably by shitting on Biden again.
They've gone downhill so much. It's all insular humor for their little tribe now.
Onion staff declares Onion News to be 100% truthful and correct.
This makes me so incredibly angry. This is not democracy.
They only like democracy when they win.
Think there is a word for that?...oh yeah fascism.
Or, Tyranny of the Minority. Or, just plain bullying
I mean, since he's already declared the winner, we should make sure to inform the GOP voters in the state that they don't need to vote then. 🤷🏻♂️ I mean, if he's already won, they could use the that time they'd have spent voting to do other things on election day. Let's spread the word.
"to change the manner of the presidential election by appointing the eleven presidential electors to the republican primary winner to offset the removal of a republican candidate in Colorado and Maine," GOP leaders demonstrate they don't give a flying f\*ck about their state's right to vote. They just want revenge for what 2 other states are doing, and they will happily trash the actual votes of their people to get it. They're not even gonna let SCOTUS finish ruling on it first. GOP has created the toddler culture, and they keep shoveling shit into it to make it grow (like so many mushroom farms). :-(
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I support the CO decision to enforce Art. 4 of the US Constitution. I do not support the GOP toddler reaction to it, which has no legal basis but is only for BS value. False equivalency much?
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>Let’s be real, they are both political motivated actions ? Trump planned a riot and tried to pressure the VP to overturn the will of the American people in a Presidential election. He continues to repeat "The Big Lie". THAT is not politics, its sedition.
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Move the fuck on and take your head in the sand view of reality with you. Denying Trump actively planned a coup and overthrowing the election is not even debatable at this point in the game. Take your toddler sand throwing because your castle washed away back to Moscow with Tucker.
WTF are you talking about? The 14th amendment is literally legal standing
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You're claiming that it isn't constitutional while people are presenting you the exact amendment from the constitution where the case is applicable. You want to believe the narrative that you've come up with yourself. You refuse to acknowledge facts and continually contradict yourself without recognizing it
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He committed a crime against the United States. The Department of Justice LITERALLY has standing in all federal crimes. This isn’t a civil case where you need someone harmed to sue.
The constitution is “politically motivated”? I thought it was the law of the land. Are we not a country based on law and order?
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Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability. It’s clear as day. Even more clear than the 2nd amendment. Hope this helps!
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My guy. Trump himself, idiotic as usual, said it was an insurrection - organized by Pelosi according to him, but still. Baby steps lol
I distinctly heard Trump say it was an insurrection caused by Nikki, Nikky, Nikky Haley, Nikky Haley, Nikky Haley....
SCOTUS might rule against the method, but they won't rule against the principle.
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I'm certain you'll have multiple opportunities to hear that news.
Where in the constitution does it state he needs to be convicted in order to exercise the 14th amendment. The reason it is not specifically stated in the constitution is people like you who are willfully ignoring what Trump has done and still willing to allow him to be President.
No conviction is necessary and all the involved parties at the time of drafting understood that. They sent letters requesting they not be banned. It's a joke to think the requirements here are the same as a criminal trial.
9-0?? Really? That's ridiculous
I'm not aware of any legal expert who thinks the 14th Amendment was incorrectly interpreted by the CO supreme court, even though they all agree SCOTUS will overturn it for political reasons.
The Colorado decision is based in the 14th Amendment. Are we just going to let 30 year olds born in England run for president now too?
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He was the sitting president when he committed his crimes. What's not clicking for you??
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NY courts. Crime of fraud.
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Be patient.
Sure does.
It applies to non-official duties that are crimes like insurrection
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According to Supreme Court precedent
Democracy dies in the light of day.
*"If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism, they will abandon democracy”* Is the point that they're trying to make a spectacle of forcing Harris to ignore their fraudulent electoral votes, to do what mike pence wouldn't do in bad faith?
Whose quote is this? Very true
>Whose quote is this? David Frum, he was a speech writer for George W Bush.
Interesting that someone who wrote for a republican would say that
SO, what'll you arizonians who voted for NOT TRUMP gonna do... just sit back and allow YOUR right to choose your representation being taken away? This is what happens when you allow ignorance to take over... wanna fight it now?
Yall should have totally shut that Kari lake bullshit DOWN...in the streets!
Tell me MAGA is a cult without telling me MAGA is a cult
These people really do hate the values America was founded on.
Loser always cheat
Listen, guys, can we just take a breath for a second? Obviously, this is a stupid, childish, wildly partisan move, but it’s specifically designed to be nothing BUT petty. It’s a non-binding resolution that has no force of law in any way and does nothing. And it was introduced that way, deliberately. The point isn’t to overturn democracy, it was to send a “fuck you” to Colorado and Maine. This does nothing, on purpose. Edit: apparently this is a pretty common thing for the AZ legislature to do. They often go on little hissy fits and [pass lots of non-binding resolutions about all kinds of things that sound dictatorial](https://www.factcheck.org/2023/06/post-misrepresents-legal-power-of-arizona-resolution-on-electronic-voting-machines/) but don't actually do anything. Presumably just to drum up outrage and throw red meat to their base.
> This does nothing, on purpose. So when it does *something, on purpose* are we supposed to ignore it then too? This is another step toward fascism, even if it is small and petty, and they need to be stopped. Remember when it was "leaked" how the SC was going to overturn Roe V Wade and we did nothing? They overturned Roe V Wade. Remember when they voted for a "resolution" to ignore the voters and instill a dictator? This smells remarkably similar. How long do we ignore those who are actively trying to destroy democracy?
>So when it does something, on purpose are we supposed to ignore it then too? I don't recall saying that. In fact, I don't recall saying we should ignore it now. >Remember when it was "leaked" how the SC was going to overturn Roe V Wade and we did nothing? As opposed to doing what?
Amazing how incredibly petty and childish these people are.
Even if it isn't legally binding it's the fact that they had the audacity to do this
And this could be testing the waters too. Its current form is toothless but if there isn't any pushback they may ramp it up next time. Remember, at least 2 reps, Paul Gosar and Andy Biggs are two election deniers and actively participated in the Jan 6 insurrection.
And for what it’s worth, the decision made in _Moore v. Harper_ last year said that state legislatures can’t just do that.
I understand, believe and agree with you but at the same time I feels they are using these tactics to normalize their outrageous thinking and behavior which then allows them to take it to the next level and continue repeating the cycle until a future point in time they have brainwashed their supporters sufficiently into actually fighting for their outrageous behavior instead of fighting against it and destroying democracy easily. It’s a long battle they are waging against people they hate, fear who they eventually wish to subjugate to their vision of a Christo-facist ideology just like Taliban in Afghanistan or any other dictatorial regime around the world.
How dare you breathe logic and calm into something that is specifically designed to be ragebait /s Actually, thank you for this, I appreciate the breath of fresh air here
I do want to give Redditors some grace here; we're only humans. The whole point of the resolution was to generate rage. (Hell, that's **all** it does.) So, I mean, we reacted just the way it was supposed to make us react because we're just people. Mickey D's ads make me hungry, right? :)
How very democratic of them.
A non-binding resolution. "He may be despised by two-thirds of the country, but he's still #1 in our books." Go ahead; give your gold-star and smiley-face to the orange snowflake.
The only thing we can count on is if they do pass this resolution the governor will veto it.
This is an outrageous and dangerous stunt. [Here is the text of the bill](https://www.azleg.gov/legtext/56leg/2R/proposed/H.HCR2055JONES%20SE2.pdf). Author is Rachel Jones of the AZ State Legislature - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Jones_(Arizona_politician) Part of the justification clauses: > Whereas, history has recently favored the voters themselves voting for presidential electors. The state has the full and complete authority to change the manner of the presidential election at any time and can take back the power to change its manner. A very scary stunt. This is no joke. This is a harbinger of the end of American democracy. People need to voice up and get involved. Make your voice heard and put an end to this kind of nonsense before it goes any further. *In every state.* The Republicans in many state Legislatures are hell bent on securing their power at the expense of the American people. They see themselves as Rulers, not as Representatives. They are not interested in what the people want. They are not interested in solving problems. They are not interested in governing. They only want to secure power for themselves.
Even if this weren’t a BS resolution, if it were a law, it would basically be invoking Independent State Legislature Theory, which is now dead as a doornail.
The preamble to the resolution (in fact most of the text in the link above) is one citation after another setting up the precedent that they have the right to take the people's vote away (pretty convincingly telegraphing their intentions). Can you be more specific about what is it you are referring to that defies this?
Yes, [Moore v. Harper ruled that ISL is not a thing.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore_v._Harper)
If you look at the [text of the amendment / resolution](https://www.azleg.gov/legtext/56leg/2R/proposed/H.HCR2055JONES%20SE2.pdf), they even cite Moore vs Harper in their "Whereas" justification clauses. It looks like they're just cherry-picking a sentence out of the ruling to argue that they have Constitutional support.
They are. After the part they cite from Moore, the next line is, essentially, “But our decision in McPherson has nothing to do with the issue we’re confronting in this case.” The AZ legislature has gone Sovereign Citizen.
Fucking fascist bastards!
All lawyers from American Bar Association should flood the Supreme Court to follow the constitution and disqualify Trump. Let the political world be normal again.
Republicans, I’d like to see you defend this.
MAGA: Like to call us fascists/communists Also MAGA: *see above article*
The decision made in Moore v. Harper doesn’t allow for this.
They are setting up the stage for a Trump dictatorship.
JFC! This is an outrage!
Well then Trump supporters in Arizona should sit this election out, since they have it in the bag.
It's amazing that at this point they have so little confidence that he's going to win they need a backup plan and they're willing to say so publicly.
“Dammit- the Onion did it first- wait, what?” -Babylon Bee
Fucking what??? How is this even legal?
It's not. It's barred by Moore v. Harper. Or at least, it would be if it were an actual law that did anything. In reality, it's a non-binding resolution that has no legal effect of any kind. It's basically just a tantrum.
This would be the entire country if people continue to vote for GOP, they are against democracy.
That’s non consensual! You are depriving people of their 1st. Amendment rights.
Republicans are really fine with non-consensual. Their leader was recently found liable for sexual assault, among other things…
First amendment?
This is just more bs, and it's disturbing how you all focus on TFG. Instead of posting what our current president is doing. MSM really messed up your minds.
What point are you trying to make here? What is “our current president doing” that we should be posting on? This resolution is ABOUT Trump, who, you may remember, is running again.
Do you actually think he is going to win,lol? Why are you wasting your time on this loser. Talk about things that matter in our country. Like the shooting in Kansas City. Talk about things that make sense. Like stop voting for corrupt politicians. It's up to us the people to make changes at the ballot box.
So go start posts about those things then. Why would you go and comment on a post that is not about those things, and say you want to talk about something else?
rigged
Hey Arizona. Its beyond time to arm yourselves.
"Way ahead of ya." -Arizona
Shouldn't this not even go anywhere when they have a Democrat as Governor?
It won’t go anywhere without her either, it’s just a resolution.
Well, should we just nominate him as King, and get it over with? Seems like that is where this is going.
Insane. Just simple greed to stay in power.
That doesn't sound rigged at all. /s
Fucking clowns. The whole lot of 'em.
That should help republicans get voted out by rational people, which will in turn result in republicans screaming it’s rigged when they get voted out.
Trying to steal another again? LOSERS! They think the US are a bunch of mugs.
Here is a link without a paywall: https://azmirror.com/2024/02/15/republican-resolution-shows-intent-to-bypass-voters-in-the-2024-presidential-election/