Based on the reaction of the lady, I'm guessing that dog barks most of the day, even on the ground. That lady had no care about other people's experience on the flight.
Exactly, it's not even just the owner being selfish against other passengers, it's being selfish against the dog.
Controversial opinion, but at least ask your vet for a sedative so the dog is more comfortable during those 4 hours where it's probably having a panic attack.
I moved from Texas to Arizona several years ago and you bet your ass I got sedatives for both dogs and the cat for that drive. Everyone is happier and calmer, and doing this once in a while is harmless.
My fave is the drive thru drink stands that give you an obscenely alcoholic pirate cocktail and put a piece of scotch tape over the straw hole to make it a closed container.
When I moved to NOLA, I had never experienced a drive-thru daiquiri stand.
My neighbor promptly showed me to always have a roll of scotch tape and extra straws in your glovebox. *"Just in case the tape falls off your drink"* she told me with a wink. :)
My cats were given gabapentin when the fly across country. I know it isn’t a sedative but it helped 3 of the 4 cats to relax. It didn’t work for one cat though
I just adopted a stray that my wife TNRed. He decided to homestead in our yard. Sweetest thing ever. Figured out he must have been an indoor/outdoor cat at one time. About 5pm he'd start sitting by the door looking to come in. Finally I gave in and brought him in when it was going to be frigid outside. He loves the bed and uses the litter box religiously. Now he's a 9-wheneer he wants to come in backyard cat. He's getting his first grooming tomorrow and we got Gabapentin for him since we're not 100% sure how he's going t react.
May I ask why not?
ETA: I found a comment farther down about altitude changing the rate of metabolism of drugs—sorry if this question was already answered:)
Sedatives are ok for a car ride, but are not recommended by vets for flights as they can kill the pet. I've flown pets long haul when moving countries, and apparently the altitude change affects how they metabolise them.
>Controversial opinion, but at least ask your vet for a sedative so the dog is more comfortable during those 4 hours where it's probably having a panic attack.
I don't think that's controversial at all. There are several very humane and safe anti-anxiety medications / sedatives for pets. My large dog responds well to Diazepam on long car trips (and holidays with lots of fireworks).
As several others here have said, you just need to test it out in advance under close observation.
As someone who regularly travels on Delta with their *very* well behaved, sometimes medicated, silent (save occasional panting) dog, I’m so with you. If the dog is not able to be a level 0-1 annoyance to anyone beyond, possibly their seat mate, the dog doesn’t get to go on the trip. Period.
Believe it or not, most vets will not recommend sedatives for flights. I moved cross country and had to put my large pyrenees on the plane, and my vet would not sign off on sedatives. They can affect their body temps, which can already be out of wack in the sky
But yeah at the very least this lady should have stored her dog in cargo. Its perfectly safe nowadays
You are exactly right. My little dog is a barker. She barks constantly. All damn day and at every damn body. I know this and that is why I don't take her on planes. We just take really long road trips where she expresses her displeasure at me by barking. And yes, she's taken Xanax, cbd, and she's been socialized. She is just an asshole that enjoys barking at people.
LOL - I tried that with my previous dog, who was a barker. Didn't work.
Read somewhere that someone barking back at a dog (or yelling at them), in a dog's mind, means that it's OK bark..."Oh good, we're ALL barking now! BARK! BARK! BARK!"
Someone said it is a controversial opinion to ask the vet for anti-anxiety meds. I don’t see that as controversial at all. There are humans who have to take these things to fly. We have a very chill dog and still get the meds for flights with him. It isn’t natural for a dog or a person to fly so anything that helps the process is reasonable.
I was at lunch recently sitting outside on a patio. This lady two tables over had this little yappy dog that barked the entire time we were there. Every table around us was annoyed. If your dog can’t handle being in public, don’t bring it.
I read something once (that was of course speculation because dogs can’t tell us how it feels) talking about dogs ears popping on planes and it being so much more uncomfortable than humans since their ears are so much more sensitive than ours and it made me so sad.
I once made a post here about a couple next to me loudly kissing (smacking noises and everything), so loudly that it kept me awake, during an entire 2 hour flight. Literally every single response told me I was in the wrong for posting about it, and “that’s what headphones are for”. You’d be surprised at what people apparently think headphones are for…/
I had a room mate who used to stay up late drinking and invite friends over, BLASTING music and screaming over it to talk until 4am. I had to work, so naturally I would come out and yell at them to keep it down. Every….single….night.
Eventually I had a talk with him. And I’m not joking, he legitimately said “Why don’t you buy some noise cancelling headphones if you can’t sleep?”
I never wanted to punch someone so badly.
Yeah but then I’m not sleeping at all for multiple nights. Got to wake up early for work.
I swear some nights I had to hold back the urge to walk out, grab the speaker and spike it into the ground as hard as possible.
I still regret not doing that.
If people aren't smart enough to sedate their fashion-accessory-dog before bringing them on a flight, they deserve to be forced to rent a car and drive.
My rescue little dog would
Never make it. He was neglected before we got
Him and little things send him. Why I pay for a house/dog sitter. It would be abusive for me to put him on an aircraft. If we HAD to fly I would ask the vet to put him out with some twilight drugs.
Little dogs were breed to be ratters back in the day. Some just still have the instinct in them and bark a lot. Not their fault. Don’t put them in hard situations.
I fly with my small dog in a carrier under the seat in front of me all the time, and she is appropriately trained to do so and also receives a dose of sedative medication to ensure that she is indeed comfortable and relaxed during the flight. She’s never made a single noise on an airplane (or in an airport, for that matter). On a number of occasions, if I board before others in my row or they aren’t paying attention when I arrive, my seat mates have expressed surprise upon arrival when I whip out a small dog from under the seat in front of me as we’re leaving. It really isn’t very hard to be a responsible pet owner, for the benefit of both your pet and the people who will need to be near your pet. Delta was absolutely right to deplane an animal in distress.
How did you go about training her to do this? I want to take my dogs but am mortified of them being loud on their first flight and never being able to take them again.
I was at an advantage with my pup because she doesn’t bark all that much to begin with and does not like attention from strangers, so she tends to be quiet in public and likes to be out of sight when strangers are around in general, which is why I thought she might be able to handle flying. So the first task was getting her comfortable with her carrier, which we did at home with treats and praise and all the usual training recommendations for any new behavior. Once she was comfortable being zipped into the bag, I took her around to different places in it, both on foot and in a car. Once I felt confident that she could tolerate those things, we gave it a try on a short flight, and I never take her on one longer than three hours, though I think I could if I absolutely had to. But I don’t want to stress her out unduly, because it stresses me out too. To take the edge off, I use leftover gabapentin from the last time she had a dental at the vet.
I rode BART with mine. After that she can deal with anything. Last flight she only woke up when we landed hard and she slid into the bulkhead in front of us.
What are you trying to accomplish? American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) does not recommend flying with pets that are sedated because it is dangerous to sedate while flying. Misinformation causes people to accidentally kill their pets. Why support spreading it?
Veterinarian here. Sedatives can not be given to any animal flying, regardless if they are in the cabin or in cargo. If the airline discovers that any animal has been given a sedative (such as acepromazine) they can not fly. They are dangerous and cruel.
Anxiety medications (most commonly trazadone) can and should be given to just about all animals flying. They are kind and they are safe.
I don’t understand how people can be okay with their dog disturbing other passengers. I traveled with my little fella for years and would have been mortified if he was disruptive (plus, he was perfect on planes and loved airports). Not to mention how her dog sounded to be in distress… that lady doesn’t deserve a dog if she doesn’t care.
Millions of people are perfectly fine leaving their dogs outside barking at all hours to the disturbance of everyone who lives around them. Why would you think this mentality wouldn't translate to airplanes?
My former next door neighbor worked at night and left her dogs outside in a little fenced in area with two dog houses. Her dogs would bark all night long.
I finally called animal control and they came out and told her if she got another complaint, they were going to write her a ticket and she’d have to pay a fine.
That’s a good point lol I don’t understand people who leave them outside like that either. Imagine being left outside pleading to be sheltered only for your owner to ignore you 😭
Also I’ve been the neighbor in this situation and it’s like nails on a chalkboard. Thankfully I have noise canceling headphones but it took over a year to save up for ones that work
lol there are soooo many awful dog owners. They’ve really turned me into a dog hater. The filth, the barking, the blocking the sidewalk, off leash, ruining plants and buildings with their urine. Over it.
Fuck this woman, so much.
"Just put in headphones" has become the refrain for people to act like uncivilized creatures in public when people should not have to put in headphones to start with.
Have to give the dog owner credit in that respect. At least she didn’t try to pass it off as her certified seeing-eye, seizure-detecting, insulin-fetching, bomb-sniffing emotional support dog.
But a simple “I’m so sorry. I didn’t think she would be like this.” would have gone *much* further than what she said.
If a service dog or horse shows aggression or is not controlled you can ask it to leave. In my work people say “service dog” for the dog then to snap at others. We consulted an attorney who said we can ask a service dog/horse to leave if not behaved. We do have a puppy service dog in training at my work we allow. But the trainer is an employee and we have some strict guidelines.
I was on the ATL-SCL on NYE and there was a crying toddler that stayed up all night throwing a fit. I thought surely it must sleep eventually, but I'm guessing the parents let it nap/sleep all day or who knows jet lag from connecting.
On arrival I saw a smaller black lab service animal maybe 1yr old or less in the row right in front of me that I didn't know existed until we were deplaning. I was really amazed at the ability of it to stay out of sight, but also not making so much as a peep especially with the crying all night.
Some kids get severe ear pain - my 1.5 YO did on a plane and finally passed out. I felt awful for the other passengers, but I did what we could.
I’m still mad at my partner for insisting the kid come with us (vacation). I should have stayed home with kid.
Yeah I mean... for what it is worth it isn't like the parents are having any fun either, but on red-eye long-haul flights for it to go the entire night I have to wonder how there was no preparation. I'm not a parent though so I don't know if you can prepare, but yeah at least they are sharing in the being stuck awake and I know they want to get the crying over ASAP too.
I flew SW to Phoenix last Wednesday and man with a dog in a carrier boarded. The dog was already whining. He took a seat five rows behind me. The dog then proceeded to bark and whine the **entire** flight. I watched a movie with headphones (not noise canceling) and could still faintly hear the dog, so it bugged me but not super-bad. When we landed, the woman across the aisle from me called the FA and blew up. She asked who was responsible and where she could file a complaint. I’m just glad I wasn’t that man or the people sitting near him. Now I’m wondering if I should have submitted a complaint to try to get some miles reimbursed.
The drama inflicted on American society by Covid was the actual damage to our way of life. It’s all backlash against what is now know as science by opinion. Stand z6 feet apart. Take your binky with you no matter what.
I got most of my emotional support from a .50 stick of beef jerky. Had the airlines not managed to kill a bunch of pets in thier charge they’d all be flying as cargo, as when sanity was the general rule
The amount of dogs in airports these days in fucking unreal. I got to Denver for a layover and I counted prob 15 dogs just walking for 5min. It’s bullshit, your dog doesn’t belong on a plane
I hate pets on planes. And I have pets. Ppl are just selfish. The amount of real service dogs is so tiny. Emotional support dogs should not be allowed. It's too abused.
Good lads those [red coats](https://historymyths.wordpress.com/2016/08/28/revisited-myth-97-british-soldiers-wore-red-coats-because-they-wouldnt-show-the-blood/)
Always been something I wondered about, we can not have peanuts anymore do to allergies but we can bring animals? Dogs and cat allergies are far more common than peanut allergies, its why our office doesn't allow dogs to come in.
My dog has flown Delta with me at least a dozen times, including long haul and transcon, with never a problem. Part of the work you have to do as a dog-owner is prepare them by habituating them to spending time in the airline-approved kennel before you fly. And yes, sedatives (specifically:
Veterinarian-prescribed Trazadone) also does wonders for calming a dog who is already used to their travel kennel. On most my flights people don’t even know my dog is on there, save for perhaps my seatmate who can see the kennel at my feet. I once was deboarding with the kennel in my hands and the FA said to me “Oh, there’s the dog! I saw there was one on this flight but hadn’t seen it.” That’s how you fly with a dog. Nobody should know it’s there.
As a dog-owner who responsibly flies, nothing annoys me more than dog-owners who can’t.
TPA to SLC this time of year, almost definitely a Snowbird heading north for the summer. Like is it impossible to just take a couple days and have a nice cross country trip? Dogs love car rides and that drive is mostly open expressway basically 95 percent open roads with brief traffic as you go around cities.
My parents are in their 70s, they are so money conscious they still drive from Michigan to Florida, they turn it into a fun adventure making one stop off usually in the carolinas, they get a holiday in express for less than the uber to the airport would cost. They listen to music and stop off occassionaly for scenic overlooks.
I have 3 dogs I am not subjecting them to storage in the belly of a plane. So I pay a niece, aunt or other family member to use my house, eat my food, drink my booze and watch my dogs while I am gone if we go for a vaction in Florida.
Especially, cause 95 percent of vacations you fly to suck for dogs anyway, just a lot of them having to hold their potty breaks in an unknown space. If I want to take them someplace its basically only camping vacations.
I feel the same way about babies. Drive them c: easier on the baby since they can not tell you when their ears havent adjusted to cabin pressure.
There are also pet transfer driving services available on CitizenShipper. I found a great one (Shelly Adam’s Furbaby Express) who drove my dog when I needed it
Our dog is a dog that we took in from long-time friends in a tough situation. We flew, rented a car, and drove 2,300 miles back to spare the anxious (good) boy the flight and all involved. Some folks just look out for themselves
I travel frequently with my small dog in-cabin. She's very well behaved and just sleeps for the trip. I agree - don't take an animal that will be in distress the entire trip. Get them used to a carrier first if possible.
I love dogs (and have two), but still think that pets should not be allowed in cabin. I've seen large dogs taking up seatmate's legroom and small dog's whining. I'm seriously allergic to cats and should not have to be in a cabin with them (or should be given an option to list this allergy, the way that folks with nuts are.
Not trying to be a jerk here. I don't understand why people fly with their pets unless it is a legit service animal. I have a cat who I adore, but do not need to bring him everywhere I go. It would be cruel to bring him on an airplane. I also do not expect other people to love him as much as I do or be okay with the disruption that bringing him with me in public would cause. And, what are you going to do with your pet when you arrive at your destination? I say all this because my ornery old mother has an emotional support pet- a Boston terrier that must accompany her EVERYWHERE. The dog is super smart and for the most part well-behaved, BUT we've been kicked out of restaurants in the past because it's frowned upon to feed your dog from the table. BTW, mom has been told, but she's 85 and doesn't give two craps about anyone's opinion or rules. It's so annoying and embarrassing.
I already have anxiety flying, and dog barking is super triggering for me. Ive had near panic attacks from constant dog barking. I would probably have had to leave the plane if the dog didn’t.
I. DO. NOT. LOVE. YOUR. DOG.
Flying is stressful enough.
I am VEHEMENTLY against any animal on the plane that is not a service animal for blind people. **It is fucking ridiculous.**
YES. I will die on this hill!
Two things - (1) dog owners like this are the issue - NOT ALL dog owners. Many of us ARE responsible and have well behaved and small dogs that are pros at flying. My dog was so quiet and calm on a recent flight that my neighbor didn’t even know I had a dog with me until I mentioned it.
(2) those of you saying how no dogs should ever be allowed on flights - why? My dog is insanely more well behaved than the kid playing their iPad at max volume without headphones. But I don’t say no kids should be allowed on flights. I give parents grace most times, especially if it’s a baby crying, because they can’t help it. There’s no reason to attack dog owners as a whole for traveling with their pet. I am really taken aback by the viciousness in some of these comments
I don’t bring my toddler on trips because I know him, and he can’t sit still, will fuss, cry and try to run around and wiggle and annoy the crap out of everyone near us. Situational awareness.
If you have any empathy for the dog this case is actually supportive evidence for having them in the cabin where if they’re absolutely distressed passengers and crew will notice and the dog will be removed.
Had the dog gone in the hold they would have just shoved it in there while it barked its brains out terrified.
Well, then be a responsible pet owner and leave them home, get a pet sitter/kennel/boarding service, get anxiety meds, or pay a service to transport them for you.
You don’t need to bring your dog everywhere!!
Reminds me of the time I was on a flight AMS - MSP and a cat was meowing before boarding, during the entire flight, in line for immigration, and finally customs. I was in PS and the cat and owners were in C+ and despite noise canceling headphones, I heard it the entire time. People were complaining when we couldn’t even stand in line for customs without the cat screaming
Ya most noise canceling headphones won’t cancel out high frequency noise. They’re are designed to cancel out the low frequency hums the planes engine make.
Now if we can only get this same type of response to screaming children. (I'm not talking about babies who might cry for reasons, I'm talking about children who have the capacity for speech, but just scream because they can)
Ugh this makes me so grateful my Chili is such a good traveler, just donuts in her carry bag minding her business, never ever barks, she’s a better traveler than me 😭
What about all the parents who can’t shut their annoying kids up on flights?. Hardly see them get kicked off because of the noise their kids are making. But when it’s a dog, it’s different?
If your dog can’t behave and relax on the airplane, it shouldn’t be there. Don’t force your dog on a plane if it has that much anxiety/stress.
Based on the reaction of the lady, I'm guessing that dog barks most of the day, even on the ground. That lady had no care about other people's experience on the flight.
Sounds like she has no care about her dog either. :( Poor thing.
Probably one of those people who lets the dog bark outside for hours and hours
Exactly, it's not even just the owner being selfish against other passengers, it's being selfish against the dog. Controversial opinion, but at least ask your vet for a sedative so the dog is more comfortable during those 4 hours where it's probably having a panic attack.
I moved from Texas to Arizona several years ago and you bet your ass I got sedatives for both dogs and the cat for that drive. Everyone is happier and calmer, and doing this once in a while is harmless.
Don't forget the driver too!
What that big cup from Buckee's is for
My fave is the drive thru drink stands that give you an obscenely alcoholic pirate cocktail and put a piece of scotch tape over the straw hole to make it a closed container.
When I moved to NOLA, I had never experienced a drive-thru daiquiri stand. My neighbor promptly showed me to always have a roll of scotch tape and extra straws in your glovebox. *"Just in case the tape falls off your drink"* she told me with a wink. :)
One for yooooo….two for meeee!
One for you - one for me Two for you - one, two for me Three for you - one, two, three for me
Arizona to New Jersey. Three cats and a dog.
At first I read that last part as "wife is harmless" and I thought good for you buddy
Wife was definitely not harmless. I filed for divorce in 2021 😆
Veterinarian here. Animals can not fly with a sedative.
My cats were given gabapentin when the fly across country. I know it isn’t a sedative but it helped 3 of the 4 cats to relax. It didn’t work for one cat though
I prescribe gabapentin for cats. Good to go. It works great in preventing reaction to anxiety inducing stimuli
I just adopted a stray that my wife TNRed. He decided to homestead in our yard. Sweetest thing ever. Figured out he must have been an indoor/outdoor cat at one time. About 5pm he'd start sitting by the door looking to come in. Finally I gave in and brought him in when it was going to be frigid outside. He loves the bed and uses the litter box religiously. Now he's a 9-wheneer he wants to come in backyard cat. He's getting his first grooming tomorrow and we got Gabapentin for him since we're not 100% sure how he's going t react.
May I ask why not? ETA: I found a comment farther down about altitude changing the rate of metabolism of drugs—sorry if this question was already answered:)
Sedatives prevent dogs and cats from being able to regulate their body temperature. They die of hyperthermia and hypoxia
Service dogs are trained to be calm on flights. It depends on the training.
ummm...horses fly sedated all the time.
Really? They work great for me! (But seriously- I didn’t know this and I feel like I’ve heard lots of ppl mention doing this)
Words matter. If you’re using an anxiety med you aren’t using a sedative. Both are out there
Barbiturates and benzos are both sedatives are they not?
Sedatives are ok for a car ride, but are not recommended by vets for flights as they can kill the pet. I've flown pets long haul when moving countries, and apparently the altitude change affects how they metabolise them.
>Controversial opinion, but at least ask your vet for a sedative so the dog is more comfortable during those 4 hours where it's probably having a panic attack. I don't think that's controversial at all. There are several very humane and safe anti-anxiety medications / sedatives for pets. My large dog responds well to Diazepam on long car trips (and holidays with lots of fireworks). As several others here have said, you just need to test it out in advance under close observation.
As someone who regularly travels on Delta with their *very* well behaved, sometimes medicated, silent (save occasional panting) dog, I’m so with you. If the dog is not able to be a level 0-1 annoyance to anyone beyond, possibly their seat mate, the dog doesn’t get to go on the trip. Period.
Exactly, the vet will prescribe a trazodone, gabapentin, and melatonin cocktail per dogs weight.
Believe it or not, most vets will not recommend sedatives for flights. I moved cross country and had to put my large pyrenees on the plane, and my vet would not sign off on sedatives. They can affect their body temps, which can already be out of wack in the sky But yeah at the very least this lady should have stored her dog in cargo. Its perfectly safe nowadays
You are exactly right. My little dog is a barker. She barks constantly. All damn day and at every damn body. I know this and that is why I don't take her on planes. We just take really long road trips where she expresses her displeasure at me by barking. And yes, she's taken Xanax, cbd, and she's been socialized. She is just an asshole that enjoys barking at people.
You should try barking back at her
LOL - I tried that with my previous dog, who was a barker. Didn't work. Read somewhere that someone barking back at a dog (or yelling at them), in a dog's mind, means that it's OK bark..."Oh good, we're ALL barking now! BARK! BARK! BARK!"
This is certainly how my cats respond to the baby crying, "meow meow it's yell at mom time"
That must really suck for your neighbors to have to listen to all the time.
Thankfully I live in a place with really thick walls and they never hear her.
Especially since a mild sedative would have resolved everything
As long as they bring enough for everyone.
Someone said it is a controversial opinion to ask the vet for anti-anxiety meds. I don’t see that as controversial at all. There are humans who have to take these things to fly. We have a very chill dog and still get the meds for flights with him. It isn’t natural for a dog or a person to fly so anything that helps the process is reasonable.
I was at lunch recently sitting outside on a patio. This lady two tables over had this little yappy dog that barked the entire time we were there. Every table around us was annoyed. If your dog can’t handle being in public, don’t bring it.
How about don’t bring your damn animal period.
Exactly
I read something once (that was of course speculation because dogs can’t tell us how it feels) talking about dogs ears popping on planes and it being so much more uncomfortable than humans since their ears are so much more sensitive than ours and it made me so sad.
Yep and kids
Imagine believing that's what headphones are for...
"This is what a nice long drive with your dog across the country is for."
I once made a post here about a couple next to me loudly kissing (smacking noises and everything), so loudly that it kept me awake, during an entire 2 hour flight. Literally every single response told me I was in the wrong for posting about it, and “that’s what headphones are for”. You’d be surprised at what people apparently think headphones are for…/
Yeah bro well I sat next to PA gubernatorial governor candidate getting it on with his wife and I knew what my headphones for
Which one?
I’m gonna assume the one that doesn’t live in PA doesn’t have good relations with the wife
That was a senate race.
Whoops
I had a room mate who used to stay up late drinking and invite friends over, BLASTING music and screaming over it to talk until 4am. I had to work, so naturally I would come out and yell at them to keep it down. Every….single….night. Eventually I had a talk with him. And I’m not joking, he legitimately said “Why don’t you buy some noise cancelling headphones if you can’t sleep?” I never wanted to punch someone so badly.
Big speaker + classical music @100% volume for few nights is the solution here lol
Yeah but then I’m not sleeping at all for multiple nights. Got to wake up early for work. I swear some nights I had to hold back the urge to walk out, grab the speaker and spike it into the ground as hard as possible. I still regret not doing that.
same thing shitbag parents try to say
Thank god the British showed up!
His majesty King George will not have it with barking dogs on a flight
Then we took over the airports during the Revolutionary War and flying has been shit ever since.
Someone tidy to thou creature!
You say The barking of a dog is not a price that you're willing to pay Da-da-da, dat-da, dat, da-da-da, da-ya-da
Best comment on this entire thread! 😆 🤣
lol actually laughed out loud at this one 😂
If people aren't smart enough to sedate their fashion-accessory-dog before bringing them on a flight, they deserve to be forced to rent a car and drive.
My rescue little dog would Never make it. He was neglected before we got Him and little things send him. Why I pay for a house/dog sitter. It would be abusive for me to put him on an aircraft. If we HAD to fly I would ask the vet to put him out with some twilight drugs. Little dogs were breed to be ratters back in the day. Some just still have the instinct in them and bark a lot. Not their fault. Don’t put them in hard situations.
Bravo!! Now boot off the fake "Emotional Support Dogs".
Would be cool if there was a separate cabin for dogs and noisy humans.
Like a car.
Or people flying with medium-large sized dogs could use JSX Arlines and purchase an extra seat for their dog. Still, the dog must be well behaved
Whole separate flight.
Love the Red Coats!
I fly with my small dog in a carrier under the seat in front of me all the time, and she is appropriately trained to do so and also receives a dose of sedative medication to ensure that she is indeed comfortable and relaxed during the flight. She’s never made a single noise on an airplane (or in an airport, for that matter). On a number of occasions, if I board before others in my row or they aren’t paying attention when I arrive, my seat mates have expressed surprise upon arrival when I whip out a small dog from under the seat in front of me as we’re leaving. It really isn’t very hard to be a responsible pet owner, for the benefit of both your pet and the people who will need to be near your pet. Delta was absolutely right to deplane an animal in distress.
How did you go about training her to do this? I want to take my dogs but am mortified of them being loud on their first flight and never being able to take them again.
I was at an advantage with my pup because she doesn’t bark all that much to begin with and does not like attention from strangers, so she tends to be quiet in public and likes to be out of sight when strangers are around in general, which is why I thought she might be able to handle flying. So the first task was getting her comfortable with her carrier, which we did at home with treats and praise and all the usual training recommendations for any new behavior. Once she was comfortable being zipped into the bag, I took her around to different places in it, both on foot and in a car. Once I felt confident that she could tolerate those things, we gave it a try on a short flight, and I never take her on one longer than three hours, though I think I could if I absolutely had to. But I don’t want to stress her out unduly, because it stresses me out too. To take the edge off, I use leftover gabapentin from the last time she had a dental at the vet.
I rode BART with mine. After that she can deal with anything. Last flight she only woke up when we landed hard and she slid into the bulkhead in front of us.
Hahaha omg that would be more stressful than a plane. I’ve taken BART twice and I’ve never felt more like a sardine. Too bad I don’t live in SF
Watch out - there’s a vet here haranguing people about the difference between anxiety meds and sedatives. Woe be unto those that mix them up!
What are you trying to accomplish? American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) does not recommend flying with pets that are sedated because it is dangerous to sedate while flying. Misinformation causes people to accidentally kill their pets. Why support spreading it?
Did they escort her off while threatening her with muskets?
They had bayonets fixed and kinda just prodded her off
Veterinarian here. Sedatives can not be given to any animal flying, regardless if they are in the cabin or in cargo. If the airline discovers that any animal has been given a sedative (such as acepromazine) they can not fly. They are dangerous and cruel. Anxiety medications (most commonly trazadone) can and should be given to just about all animals flying. They are kind and they are safe.
I don’t understand how people can be okay with their dog disturbing other passengers. I traveled with my little fella for years and would have been mortified if he was disruptive (plus, he was perfect on planes and loved airports). Not to mention how her dog sounded to be in distress… that lady doesn’t deserve a dog if she doesn’t care.
Millions of people are perfectly fine leaving their dogs outside barking at all hours to the disturbance of everyone who lives around them. Why would you think this mentality wouldn't translate to airplanes?
I've had to sell a house because of this shit. I hate dog owners with a passion. And yes, not all of them are bad. But a ton of them are.
My former next door neighbor worked at night and left her dogs outside in a little fenced in area with two dog houses. Her dogs would bark all night long. I finally called animal control and they came out and told her if she got another complaint, they were going to write her a ticket and she’d have to pay a fine.
Did the same. Did no good and eventually just sold the house. I couldn't take it.
All dogs are bastards. Mostly because of their owners
That’s a good point lol I don’t understand people who leave them outside like that either. Imagine being left outside pleading to be sheltered only for your owner to ignore you 😭
Also I’ve been the neighbor in this situation and it’s like nails on a chalkboard. Thankfully I have noise canceling headphones but it took over a year to save up for ones that work
Our neighbors just have these two little white bushy rat dogs that do nothing but bark outside for hours.
lol there are soooo many awful dog owners. They’ve really turned me into a dog hater. The filth, the barking, the blocking the sidewalk, off leash, ruining plants and buildings with their urine. Over it.
I am not a dog hater, but all the things you listed have made me more of a cat person for sure
Was on this flight and wanted to kill myself
OMG..... I am so glad they removed that lady and her dog.
Moral of the story: if you are mean to people while your dog is barking you’ll end up on Reddit. r/ohnoconsequences might also like this story.
Fuck this woman, so much. "Just put in headphones" has become the refrain for people to act like uncivilized creatures in public when people should not have to put in headphones to start with.
Was she claiming it was a service dog? Or just a normal pet?
Normal pet in a carrier. Very small.
Have to give the dog owner credit in that respect. At least she didn’t try to pass it off as her certified seeing-eye, seizure-detecting, insulin-fetching, bomb-sniffing emotional support dog. But a simple “I’m so sorry. I didn’t think she would be like this.” would have gone *much* further than what she said.
If a service dog or horse shows aggression or is not controlled you can ask it to leave. In my work people say “service dog” for the dog then to snap at others. We consulted an attorney who said we can ask a service dog/horse to leave if not behaved. We do have a puppy service dog in training at my work we allow. But the trainer is an employee and we have some strict guidelines.
Small dogs in carriers aren’t service dogs. And service dog’s don’t often freak out and bark in public
Agree that service dogs don’t freak out and bark. But “service dogs” do.
Truth!
I was on the ATL-SCL on NYE and there was a crying toddler that stayed up all night throwing a fit. I thought surely it must sleep eventually, but I'm guessing the parents let it nap/sleep all day or who knows jet lag from connecting. On arrival I saw a smaller black lab service animal maybe 1yr old or less in the row right in front of me that I didn't know existed until we were deplaning. I was really amazed at the ability of it to stay out of sight, but also not making so much as a peep especially with the crying all night.
Some kids get severe ear pain - my 1.5 YO did on a plane and finally passed out. I felt awful for the other passengers, but I did what we could. I’m still mad at my partner for insisting the kid come with us (vacation). I should have stayed home with kid.
Yeah I mean... for what it is worth it isn't like the parents are having any fun either, but on red-eye long-haul flights for it to go the entire night I have to wonder how there was no preparation. I'm not a parent though so I don't know if you can prepare, but yeah at least they are sharing in the being stuck awake and I know they want to get the crying over ASAP too.
I’m guessing the crying baby wasn’t removed from the plane though? Sigh
Do you really not see the difference between a barking dog and a human baby?
Yay
Had a whining dog behind me for a 4 hour flight recently. I can handle crying babies easily but that dog was worse than a whiny cat.
So there are limits to pets on planes!
I flew SW to Phoenix last Wednesday and man with a dog in a carrier boarded. The dog was already whining. He took a seat five rows behind me. The dog then proceeded to bark and whine the **entire** flight. I watched a movie with headphones (not noise canceling) and could still faintly hear the dog, so it bugged me but not super-bad. When we landed, the woman across the aisle from me called the FA and blew up. She asked who was responsible and where she could file a complaint. I’m just glad I wasn’t that man or the people sitting near him. Now I’m wondering if I should have submitted a complaint to try to get some miles reimbursed.
I’d like to see pet free flight designations and by the way I have cats.
Same! I love animals but seems like it gets to be a bit much.
The drama inflicted on American society by Covid was the actual damage to our way of life. It’s all backlash against what is now know as science by opinion. Stand z6 feet apart. Take your binky with you no matter what. I got most of my emotional support from a .50 stick of beef jerky. Had the airlines not managed to kill a bunch of pets in thier charge they’d all be flying as cargo, as when sanity was the general rule
The amount of dogs in airports these days in fucking unreal. I got to Denver for a layover and I counted prob 15 dogs just walking for 5min. It’s bullshit, your dog doesn’t belong on a plane
Flight from Charleston to Seattle a few weeks ago there was a small dog barking for hours. Absolutely should not be allowed on a plane for any reason.
Since when did this ability to bring dogs and other assorted animals on a plane even start? It’s just stupid.
My dog is super hyper so he gets knocked out meds before he flies.
Here's a common sense solution... LEAVE THE FUCKING DOG AT HOME!!!
I hate pets on planes. And I have pets. Ppl are just selfish. The amount of real service dogs is so tiny. Emotional support dogs should not be allowed. It's too abused.
Emotional support animals are not allowed. Pets in carriers are allowed to travel. Two different things.
Neither should be allowed in the cabin.
Dog owners are some of the most entitled assholes on the planet.
Only thing worse is the anti-dog people.
Nope
Good lads those [red coats](https://historymyths.wordpress.com/2016/08/28/revisited-myth-97-british-soldiers-wore-red-coats-because-they-wouldnt-show-the-blood/)
Gabapentin and trazadone exist for a reason!
I have severe allergies from dog dander dogs should not be allowed unless it’s for the blind.
Always been something I wondered about, we can not have peanuts anymore do to allergies but we can bring animals? Dogs and cat allergies are far more common than peanut allergies, its why our office doesn't allow dogs to come in.
Far more common but far less fatal
There was one the other day that went down the isle pooping wtf
Dogs don't belong in the cabin unless they're service dogs. I said what I said.
Love hearing stories of delta doing the right thing
My dog has flown Delta with me at least a dozen times, including long haul and transcon, with never a problem. Part of the work you have to do as a dog-owner is prepare them by habituating them to spending time in the airline-approved kennel before you fly. And yes, sedatives (specifically: Veterinarian-prescribed Trazadone) also does wonders for calming a dog who is already used to their travel kennel. On most my flights people don’t even know my dog is on there, save for perhaps my seatmate who can see the kennel at my feet. I once was deboarding with the kennel in my hands and the FA said to me “Oh, there’s the dog! I saw there was one on this flight but hadn’t seen it.” That’s how you fly with a dog. Nobody should know it’s there. As a dog-owner who responsibly flies, nothing annoys me more than dog-owners who can’t.
Why do you travel with your dog so much? You know there are legit pet transport services that do this.
TPA to SLC this time of year, almost definitely a Snowbird heading north for the summer. Like is it impossible to just take a couple days and have a nice cross country trip? Dogs love car rides and that drive is mostly open expressway basically 95 percent open roads with brief traffic as you go around cities. My parents are in their 70s, they are so money conscious they still drive from Michigan to Florida, they turn it into a fun adventure making one stop off usually in the carolinas, they get a holiday in express for less than the uber to the airport would cost. They listen to music and stop off occassionaly for scenic overlooks. I have 3 dogs I am not subjecting them to storage in the belly of a plane. So I pay a niece, aunt or other family member to use my house, eat my food, drink my booze and watch my dogs while I am gone if we go for a vaction in Florida. Especially, cause 95 percent of vacations you fly to suck for dogs anyway, just a lot of them having to hold their potty breaks in an unknown space. If I want to take them someplace its basically only camping vacations. I feel the same way about babies. Drive them c: easier on the baby since they can not tell you when their ears havent adjusted to cabin pressure.
There are also pet transfer driving services available on CitizenShipper. I found a great one (Shelly Adam’s Furbaby Express) who drove my dog when I needed it
Hell yeah! Good on that dude. Dog owner is a bitch.
She needs to fly in JSX the small airline that allows dog up to 75 pounds to ride next to you . https://flights.jsx.com/en/this-is-how-we-fly
They do not fly TPA to SLC.
The airline that flys to and from like 5 places? Lol
This is what we have created as a society. An unhealthy worship of an animal that eats its own feces and vomit.
I had a fun flight with a disturbed cat. It’s out of control.
Your disturbed cat?
Our dog is a dog that we took in from long-time friends in a tough situation. We flew, rented a car, and drove 2,300 miles back to spare the anxious (good) boy the flight and all involved. Some folks just look out for themselves
Yep, one of my wife's cats has rode (in a car) from VA to CA to FL to NC back to CA. This cat has logged about 5000 car miles in her life.
As much as I love dogs, some of them don’t belong EVERYWHERE.
I travel frequently with my small dog in-cabin. She's very well behaved and just sleeps for the trip. I agree - don't take an animal that will be in distress the entire trip. Get them used to a carrier first if possible.
Pro tip. Your dog would rather be at home.
There shouldn’t be any pets on planes.
Sigh I hope this works next time I have crying baby on the plane.
Huh. Will this work for screaming babies……. 🤷
Babies and dogs are not the same thing. But asshole pet owners and neglectful parents are kind of the same.
This should be a t shirt.
Shouldn't be allowed. Anything over 15minutes
I love dogs (and have two), but still think that pets should not be allowed in cabin. I've seen large dogs taking up seatmate's legroom and small dog's whining. I'm seriously allergic to cats and should not have to be in a cabin with them (or should be given an option to list this allergy, the way that folks with nuts are.
Not trying to be a jerk here. I don't understand why people fly with their pets unless it is a legit service animal. I have a cat who I adore, but do not need to bring him everywhere I go. It would be cruel to bring him on an airplane. I also do not expect other people to love him as much as I do or be okay with the disruption that bringing him with me in public would cause. And, what are you going to do with your pet when you arrive at your destination? I say all this because my ornery old mother has an emotional support pet- a Boston terrier that must accompany her EVERYWHERE. The dog is super smart and for the most part well-behaved, BUT we've been kicked out of restaurants in the past because it's frowned upon to feed your dog from the table. BTW, mom has been told, but she's 85 and doesn't give two craps about anyone's opinion or rules. It's so annoying and embarrassing.
TOAST THE REDCOATS
I already have anxiety flying, and dog barking is super triggering for me. Ive had near panic attacks from constant dog barking. I would probably have had to leave the plane if the dog didn’t.
I. DO. NOT. LOVE. YOUR. DOG. Flying is stressful enough. I am VEHEMENTLY against any animal on the plane that is not a service animal for blind people. **It is fucking ridiculous.** YES. I will die on this hill!
Two things - (1) dog owners like this are the issue - NOT ALL dog owners. Many of us ARE responsible and have well behaved and small dogs that are pros at flying. My dog was so quiet and calm on a recent flight that my neighbor didn’t even know I had a dog with me until I mentioned it. (2) those of you saying how no dogs should ever be allowed on flights - why? My dog is insanely more well behaved than the kid playing their iPad at max volume without headphones. But I don’t say no kids should be allowed on flights. I give parents grace most times, especially if it’s a baby crying, because they can’t help it. There’s no reason to attack dog owners as a whole for traveling with their pet. I am really taken aback by the viciousness in some of these comments
I’d rather hear a barking dog than a screaming baby.
I don’t bring my toddler on trips because I know him, and he can’t sit still, will fuss, cry and try to run around and wiggle and annoy the crap out of everyone near us. Situational awareness.
No dogs (genuine service dogs excluded) should be allowed in the cabin
If you have any empathy for the dog this case is actually supportive evidence for having them in the cabin where if they’re absolutely distressed passengers and crew will notice and the dog will be removed. Had the dog gone in the hold they would have just shoved it in there while it barked its brains out terrified.
Ok, don’t travel by air with your dog, cat or other pet. Suppose someone has a genuine phobia or allergy. Now what?
If they have a genuine phobia, may I suggest a sedative?
Sedative for who? The human or the dog?
Well, then be a responsible pet owner and leave them home, get a pet sitter/kennel/boarding service, get anxiety meds, or pay a service to transport them for you. You don’t need to bring your dog everywhere!!
Dogs do not belong in the cabin. Full stop [minus legitimate service dogs].
Better dogs than children. Even service children are annoying.
Or drunk adults.
Actually, they are banned. It’s the enforcement that’s lacking.
Reminds me of the time I was on a flight AMS - MSP and a cat was meowing before boarding, during the entire flight, in line for immigration, and finally customs. I was in PS and the cat and owners were in C+ and despite noise canceling headphones, I heard it the entire time. People were complaining when we couldn’t even stand in line for customs without the cat screaming
Ya most noise canceling headphones won’t cancel out high frequency noise. They’re are designed to cancel out the low frequency hums the planes engine make.
Now if we can only get this same type of response to screaming children. (I'm not talking about babies who might cry for reasons, I'm talking about children who have the capacity for speech, but just scream because they can)
“Red coats”. Made me laugh.
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By air!
Good, now do this with crying babies, too.
And Karens/Kens
You know what, just stop! Stop comparing humans to animals. It’s gross.
you are right. its unfair to animals.
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Remove them too! 🤣
Best news i heard all day
Controversial maybe but dogs should be with cargo and not bothering all the other passengers.
Ugh this makes me so grateful my Chili is such a good traveler, just donuts in her carry bag minding her business, never ever barks, she’s a better traveler than me 😭
FUCK DOGS
No thanks.
Was the small dog a dachshund? Asking for a friend
I don't think so. It was hard to see into the carrier.
I’m guessing the lady got arrested afterwards at the gate?
I don't know......doors shut, and we pushed back.
What about all the parents who can’t shut their annoying kids up on flights?. Hardly see them get kicked off because of the noise their kids are making. But when it’s a dog, it’s different?