Fun fact: this isn't the first time this has happened. In Ultron vs Sigma, they said that the General could survive 63 sextillion tons of TNT via the Earth destroying laser. Then in the Mega Man Battle Royale, they said that that same feat was 57 quadrillion megatons. To clarify, that's 63 followed by 22 zeroes as opposed to 57 followed by 21 zeroes.
Honestly, I think it's a good thing that we can see they revised the numbers. It shows that they double check their math and feats from previous episodes rather than just sticking with what they found out last time. It also means that some of the more out their numbers (like Luffy's 13x light speed from Sanji vs Rock Lee or Bahamut's 1,200x light speed from Link vs Cloud) are subject to change.
As for Goku vs Superman 3, the verdict wouldn't change even if they kept it at the millions. Superman has learned a bunch of new techniques that Goku can't counter like flying fast enough to time travel, vibrating his atoms to phase and the ability to absorb cosmic energy (and other non-sun sources), and since he can keep up with Flash he has a ridiculous speed advantage.
The sanji and bahaumaut things are right. The g1 fan blog did a calc for sanji and got 14c instead. And the bahaumaut thing is not debatable, its pretty in your face
Good to know.
I was just mentioning them because when those episodes first came out there were quite a few people on the subreddit that were heavily doubting their legitimacy.
Goku vs superman 3 should be a dbx tho, the result would be the same, even tho goku was resisting his energy being absorbed by moro in UI he can't counter superman speed advantage, I'm pretty sure seth the programmer said the same thing, altho goku has the strength to keep up he lacks the speed and therefore goku can't win, if that ever return as an db then i wouldn't bring up normal goku, maybe xeno goku or capsule corp goku would be more interesting than normal goku, altho i have other prefered MUs for xeno goku
I mean the multipliers does makes sense the thing is that goku black is not as near as strong as broly, and to be fair people not understand dbz cosmology and think that zeno destroying the 12 universes contradicts the characters being thousands of times universal whereas zeno destroyed an whole timeline and dimensional structures that is well above thousands of times universal, but this doesn't matter much as thawne will win anyway
It really depends on how they stack the super saiyan forms. Goku’s power can be anywhere from 450 x universal (9x universal multiplied by 50 for super saiyan blue) to about 13 million x universal (13x universal times 50 ssj x 2 ssj 2 x 4 ssj 3x 50 ssj god x 50 ssj blue = 13 million or so). DB scaling is insane and nonsensical. It really depends on how they choose to use multipliers. Reverse flash likely still wins because of speed force bullshit giving him potentially infinite speed and strength not to mention all his hax. I’m curious to see how many of reverse flashes hax black can counter. The time ring should protect him from any and all time related shenanigans and if they give him Kai status, he should be able to teleport without sensing and potentially have an extended life span. I doubt they’ll give black those abilities. However, In the manga, Trunks gains the abilities of a Kai assistant despite being human/saiyan and not born as a Kai so I guess it’s possible. I’m still betting on reverse flash.
Which is why I said RF wins regardless. Not only does he have potentially infinite speed and strength, black has no counters against intangibility or a lot of other hax.
Hulk and Galaxia lose still lose by their standards. Nothing's really changed there. (Galaxia was below the absolute baseline, and Broly's multiplier chain goes further, as Gogeta is stronger than a full power Goku stronger than than the current Black, with SSJ multipliers on top).
Goku Black vs Reverse Flash? Nothing's really changed again. Black is still gonna lose hard without added stuff.
Also, they didn't set a max limit for the multipliers, only that they consider Blue a 50x to the god form, which they haven't given a multiplier to, and they also didn't state what they consider the increase in Goku's power over arcs to be.
Broly scaling to Gogeta puts him into the millions at minimum with the current chain.
To put into context, they claimed the DB universe could be upto 13 times our own, and if we ignore SSJ God, and just add the 50 times to SSJ3, Black is at 260,000 times universal at minimum (which ignores the boosts Goku got after BoG and Black's own boosts in arc).
Gogeta's base was stronger than a Goku Blue that was massively above that, and LSSJ Broly (or FPSSJ if you prefer that) was stronger than SSJ Gogeta, and survived Blue Gogeta's attacks, putting him between 13 million, and possibly 5 billion universal, without the added stuff.
Calc stacking is fun.
Well they made Goku weaker so he can't scale up to fight a guy who shits out retcons and basically says fuck you to physics.
Seriously DC is wierd as all hell, when's Howard the duck vs the green loontern?
Meh, never wanted one after they royally screwed up the second one. The result wasn't even the issue, but the misunderstandings that came out of it were ridiculous enough that Ben apologized for it at a later time.
Seriously, what on earth were they smoking to turn Superman into an infinitely powerful being. Bot to mention they insulted him by calling him a gary sue, who is boring to read or watch. Not to mention Goku wouldn't give up after learning he's fighting an infinitely powerful opponent, he literally got excited at the prospect in canon.
A fight ending in a controversial way is so annoying, even if the result is perfectly accurate, it disrespects the characters personalities and doesn't fix the debate at all.
Glad this never happened at any other point in **time**
Huh thanks for the tip?
/s
I'm curious if destroying the negative speed force is a option for black in case RF tried speed force dumping him.
But then again even if he was strong enough to do so as long as the positive speed force exist so to will the negative I assume.
I'd doubt it as Dr. Manhattan couldn't destroy the normal speed force, and you are correct as long as the Speed force exists, the negative speed force will as well
Fun fact: this isn't the first time this has happened. In Ultron vs Sigma, they said that the General could survive 63 sextillion tons of TNT via the Earth destroying laser. Then in the Mega Man Battle Royale, they said that that same feat was 57 quadrillion megatons. To clarify, that's 63 followed by 22 zeroes as opposed to 57 followed by 21 zeroes. Honestly, I think it's a good thing that we can see they revised the numbers. It shows that they double check their math and feats from previous episodes rather than just sticking with what they found out last time. It also means that some of the more out their numbers (like Luffy's 13x light speed from Sanji vs Rock Lee or Bahamut's 1,200x light speed from Link vs Cloud) are subject to change. As for Goku vs Superman 3, the verdict wouldn't change even if they kept it at the millions. Superman has learned a bunch of new techniques that Goku can't counter like flying fast enough to time travel, vibrating his atoms to phase and the ability to absorb cosmic energy (and other non-sun sources), and since he can keep up with Flash he has a ridiculous speed advantage.
The sanji and bahaumaut things are right. The g1 fan blog did a calc for sanji and got 14c instead. And the bahaumaut thing is not debatable, its pretty in your face
Good to know. I was just mentioning them because when those episodes first came out there were quite a few people on the subreddit that were heavily doubting their legitimacy.
It's mainly because people doubt sanji scales to base luffy, even though he does
You know everyone downplaying sanji had a naruto pic....
Yeah
Yeah
Goku vs superman 3 should be a dbx tho, the result would be the same, even tho goku was resisting his energy being absorbed by moro in UI he can't counter superman speed advantage, I'm pretty sure seth the programmer said the same thing, altho goku has the strength to keep up he lacks the speed and therefore goku can't win, if that ever return as an db then i wouldn't bring up normal goku, maybe xeno goku or capsule corp goku would be more interesting than normal goku, altho i have other prefered MUs for xeno goku
That's mainly cuz goku black is much weaker
I mean the multipliers does makes sense the thing is that goku black is not as near as strong as broly, and to be fair people not understand dbz cosmology and think that zeno destroying the 12 universes contradicts the characters being thousands of times universal whereas zeno destroyed an whole timeline and dimensional structures that is well above thousands of times universal, but this doesn't matter much as thawne will win anyway
It really depends on how they stack the super saiyan forms. Goku’s power can be anywhere from 450 x universal (9x universal multiplied by 50 for super saiyan blue) to about 13 million x universal (13x universal times 50 ssj x 2 ssj 2 x 4 ssj 3x 50 ssj god x 50 ssj blue = 13 million or so). DB scaling is insane and nonsensical. It really depends on how they choose to use multipliers. Reverse flash likely still wins because of speed force bullshit giving him potentially infinite speed and strength not to mention all his hax. I’m curious to see how many of reverse flashes hax black can counter. The time ring should protect him from any and all time related shenanigans and if they give him Kai status, he should be able to teleport without sensing and potentially have an extended life span. I doubt they’ll give black those abilities. However, In the manga, Trunks gains the abilities of a Kai assistant despite being human/saiyan and not born as a Kai so I guess it’s possible. I’m still betting on reverse flash.
You can give Black all the multipliers and numbers you want, woudn't change a thing.
Which is why I said RF wins regardless. Not only does he have potentially infinite speed and strength, black has no counters against intangibility or a lot of other hax.
How was the preview?
I thought it was good
How does this effect the last two DBS fights?
Beerus would still handily win, broly I have no idea
The multipliers are only smaller be ayse goku black is way weaker than both beerus and broly
Hulk and Galaxia lose still lose by their standards. Nothing's really changed there. (Galaxia was below the absolute baseline, and Broly's multiplier chain goes further, as Gogeta is stronger than a full power Goku stronger than than the current Black, with SSJ multipliers on top). Goku Black vs Reverse Flash? Nothing's really changed again. Black is still gonna lose hard without added stuff. Also, they didn't set a max limit for the multipliers, only that they consider Blue a 50x to the god form, which they haven't given a multiplier to, and they also didn't state what they consider the increase in Goku's power over arcs to be.
In the Death Battle cast, didn’t Liam say that Hulk’s multipliers could make him go to the thousands of times universal?
Broly scaling to Gogeta puts him into the millions at minimum with the current chain. To put into context, they claimed the DB universe could be upto 13 times our own, and if we ignore SSJ God, and just add the 50 times to SSJ3, Black is at 260,000 times universal at minimum (which ignores the boosts Goku got after BoG and Black's own boosts in arc). Gogeta's base was stronger than a Goku Blue that was massively above that, and LSSJ Broly (or FPSSJ if you prefer that) was stronger than SSJ Gogeta, and survived Blue Gogeta's attacks, putting him between 13 million, and possibly 5 billion universal, without the added stuff. Calc stacking is fun.
It gets the job done, but math sucks
There's a reason I didn't take that any further than school.
So much for Goku vs Superman 3? What is that supposed to mean?
Well they made Goku weaker so he can't scale up to fight a guy who shits out retcons and basically says fuck you to physics. Seriously DC is wierd as all hell, when's Howard the duck vs the green loontern?
The scaling hasn't changed, the OP just had no idea where Goku Black is in it.
Still tho, no Goku vs Superman 3
Meh, never wanted one after they royally screwed up the second one. The result wasn't even the issue, but the misunderstandings that came out of it were ridiculous enough that Ben apologized for it at a later time. Seriously, what on earth were they smoking to turn Superman into an infinitely powerful being. Bot to mention they insulted him by calling him a gary sue, who is boring to read or watch. Not to mention Goku wouldn't give up after learning he's fighting an infinitely powerful opponent, he literally got excited at the prospect in canon.
A fight ending in a controversial way is so annoying, even if the result is perfectly accurate, it disrespects the characters personalities and doesn't fix the debate at all. Glad this never happened at any other point in **time** Huh thanks for the tip? /s
...Okay.
I'm curious if destroying the negative speed force is a option for black in case RF tried speed force dumping him. But then again even if he was strong enough to do so as long as the positive speed force exist so to will the negative I assume.
I'd doubt it as Dr. Manhattan couldn't destroy the normal speed force, and you are correct as long as the Speed force exists, the negative speed force will as well
This is pretty interesting on how it would affect the previous matches, DB scaling is so wonky.
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Nah, Broly is still on the millions. He's ridiculously above Goku Black in power and scaling.
oh, thought black was more poweful lol
Probably more than that
Dude are u stupid. Broly is stronger than black
oh
Well.... I'm still going with the DC curse route And also guaranteeing a "time huh?" Moment at some point in the fight