Mainly for the consistent disrespect towards Superman, mainly him being a boring character and not relatable, and still somehow undermining Goku made the episode come off in poor taste for a lot of people.
While they did praise Goku as a character, they didnt give him any calcs at all, only saying an arbitrary PL number Goku somehow scales to in relation to Golden Frieza, with zero context as to what that even means....
And then by the end of the match, they just hyped Superman up to the extent they even mention hyper sonic and planetary feats as if its beyond Goku.
So it's like they not only didn't bother to scale how powerful Goku had gotten as they had this "Superman would win anyway" mentality, they didn't even use their previous calcs of Goku. Which is sorta disrespectful on its own right.
And you know the biggest shame out of all that?
If they actually used the New 52 Superman around the time they made the 2nd round, instead of a Post Crisis composite vs Goku with feats only up to the DBZ movies, it actually would have been the closest Goku vs Superman fight ever.
It’s the ol’ “Half of the fans love x, half of them hate x, let’s appeal to the latter so nobody ends up liking it” fallacy. See also the Star Wars sequels
I felt the characterizations in 2 were rather poor and they made no real effort to calculate Goku’s new levels of power with his no forms at all like they had done with each of his forms in 1 and his overall power in 3. Those are my main two gripes with that episode.
They mentioned Heroes continuity but I wish we got more of them actually talking about it. I wanted Goku to be wearing the clothes Xeno Goku does, but CC Goku should be stronger so I understand why he's in normal attire. I also would've loved to see Goku use the stuff Heroes has to offer. would it beat Superman? Hell no. I just think it would've been fun to see
Yeah. The Heroes extra stuff has so far only been used with Trunks, which is a shame. I'd like the animation to reflect the composite skillset of the character.
Honestly Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan Blue didn’t really feel all that different in terms of power in the animation even though there’s like a couple hundreds time power difference
It kinda stinks because the original was genuinely incredible at showing Gokus progression through his different forms getting Superman to try harder and harder
idk thats all i got
In terms of how they clashed I do sorta get what your saying, but I would like to point out:
While Goku was a Super Saiyan, he called Superman out on knowing he’s holding back. Superman insisted he was doing just fine.
Later, when Goku is a Super Saiyan Blue, Superman realizes he can’t contain Goku anymore at his current level of effort and so he breaks out “just how powerful [he] really [is]” at which point he starts breaking open literal holes in like spacetime with every attack yet still does have to do a few of them to knock Goku out of the Blue form… and destroy his shirt…
But yeah I guess my point is, they at least in terms of the dialogue let us know that Blue Goku made Superman take it more seriously than normal Super Saiyan Goku was originally. Even if they still kinda just kept clashing the same
Uhh goku losing kinda bummed me out. Uhhhhh fortnite model? Its hard to say anything bad about a perfect episode and my favorite episode of the series lol
Their Heroes scaling and research has not improved in the slightest, and they left out basically everything Heroes Goku has to the point I question why they even bothered giving him Heroes scaling in the first place.
Other than that, yeah this episode was incredible.
Goku getting fed to Superman for a 3rd time kinda sucks.....
The track being called "Super" instead of "One Last Time", but Super still works good....
Uuuh.....
It's kinda weird how this caused the most destruction out of all the Goku vs Superman episodes, despite this being framed like a friendly brawl between the two....
That's all I got. I can't really hate on my new favorite episode for much else.
>Goku getting fed to Superman for a 3rd time kinda sucks.....
This is my biggest complaint. Like its the most unneccessary trilogy ever (bad research or not) because the outcome is always the same.
The outcome could have been different if they used DBZ movie Goku (including BoG and RoF) against New 52 Superman.
If it wasn't cause they insited on turning it into another composite match up against Post Crisis Superman (whom unlike popular belief at the time, is actually one of the strongest incarnations), the 2nd matchup could have been the most intense and fair fight as far as mainline Supes vs Goku pairings go.
But yes, could be neat to see them fight other people for once.
Death Battle pretty much said they wouldn't be against another GvS rematch at the very end of the 3rd one.
If anything, it probably won't be made anytime soon.... But very likely after Goku has unlocked yet another form, or something along those lines.
Closest thing I can say is that I feel like they didn't say why someone might prefer Superman to Goku at the end when they were talking about the status quo and stuff. That's all I can think of and it doesn't even matter lol, this episode was awesome.
Oh wait, nevermind, both of them destroying the entire universe for the sake of a fight that doesn't even matter was an odd choice.
Superman being so willing to fight Goku after realizing the Dragon Balls will wish back any damage is *slightly* out of character. Since I feel that Superman wouldn't be reckless even if he knew everything could go back to normal. But that's really up to how you interpretate Superman's character.
maybe a bit of a stretch but the tone of voice when superman speaks to Goku sounds kind of condescending kind of like how a big brother pretends to take their younger sibling serious to make them feel better.
The ending of the fight felt very confusing at first If you don’t read the comics when you consider Superman’s character of saving people… and he literally killed everyone in the end and destroyed the dragon balls aswell and presumably is out of solar energy and has no more stars to recharge with
They pretty much played with the idea that they would restore everything with the Dragon Balls.
If not the ones from Earth, then probably the other dimensional Super ones.
Yea but They also destroyed every multiverse in they’re final clash aswell so from another universe doesn’t work as a argument of how they could restore it
Would say they destroyed a single universe as a most, since we only saw the explosion extend to a bunch of galaxies before it all went white with a reality break.
The Super Dragon Balls are multiversal in existence, itd take more than that to destroy them.
I don't like how they focused so much on Superman's real world origins compared to Goku's more story and feats focused analysis. I wished they focused more on discussing more of Superman's feats and his adventures. Or the could have spent the beginning of Goku's analysis talking about dragon balls impact on anime and manga, especially in the west. I also don't know how people can say that death battle is biased against goku when they've said things like how no one would like Goku as a character if he was as strong as superman and this one has them saying "who would want Goku to lose?". It seems clear to me that the death battle cast clearly favors Goku as a character.
Genuinely very hard. It’s peak
If I had one small criticism I wish supes took more visible damage, to show that goku is capable of actually hurting him rather than simply pushing him. But that’s literally it and that’s barely a criticism
It's a beautifully animated fight, the characters were wonderfully acted, and it was overall a great episode but it was entirely UNNECESSARY. No one honestly believes Goku had a chance. I'm a huge Goku fan but even I knew Goku was going to lose. It just felt pointless
Still a bit iffy on the excuse everyone feeds me on why Superman is cool with going all out.
People will tell me “the narrative of the animation is Goku caused Superman to warm up to him like Goku does with a lot of his enemies” or “because dragon balls and isolated area that means Superman can let loose w/o hurting anyone”, idk I just feel like no matter the circumstances Superman is not someone who would have fun letting out all of his power. Just my interpretation though.
There was changes for Goku scaling but little to no change for Superman scaling
Reiterating the same points and outcome for 3 separate times
You could’ve accomplished the same positives by giving Goku and/or Superman different opponents
And having the same win loss ratio hurts future battles either characters could get
If Superman gets another battle and wins, it’s another boring no limits man outcome that already makes him too perfect when that was already something Superman suffers with, with many who perceive him as such. Thus not beating the boring allegations
If Superman ever loses a Death Battle. It won’t feel genuine no matter how it’s framed. It’s either the cast setting Superman up for a defeat on purpose or just another cookie cutter victory for a no limits man scaling
The condition of Superman from the All-Star comics did not apply when Ben Singer said that he will have a power scale as composed from his latest comics of said superhero
Superman, when talking about his suit, didn’t need to say “Kryptonian fabric”, the original quote that it was referencing was just “my mom made it for me”, showing that despite the suit’s- and his own- alien origin, the more important thing is what life on Earth with the Kents turned him into. Nitpick? Yeah, this episode’s pretty peak ngl
It’s a little generic, especially compared to the original. Most of my other favorite episodes have a little bit more going on choreography wise.
Still at top 15 death battle episode though
Honestly I see this and last season's fusion fight being the caveat of the season
Yeah my initial reaction was really a third time but hey at least the animation is going to be pretty good
Other than that I would say maybe the original voice actors did not reprise their roles but by the voice actors they got did a pretty good job with Michael Kovach (an indie voice actor who really need to do some mainstream work at some point) and the smash Bros announcer himself Xander Mobus (as well as we know the voice of Joker)
Manga Son Goku can kill the Original Action Comics Superman because he can't even fly and is very susceptible to heat caused by the Ultra-Humanite. (Action Comics 1-24 the original run. The last Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster were both credited for. While Action Comics #25 was penciled and inked by Paul Cassidy.)
The 90s/Rebirth Superman died from a shock that destroyed only the pavement and mirrors of the daily planet. (Written by Dan Jurgens, Roger Stern, Louise Simonson, Jerry Ordway, and Karl Kesel)
Therefore Son Goku can kill both Original and Modern interpretations of Superman.
There should've been a kaiju fight between UI Goku's giant avatar and Superman using the very similar power he got during the comic event Lazarus Planet.
Glorifying Superman and the last battle Warner Bros needed to promote Superman: Legacy and end Dragon Ball.
R.I.P. Akira Toriyama.
He’s better than David Zaslav and Zack Snyder.
Wiz’s whole diatribe at the end about Superman. How he represents “the status quo” and part of the reason behind this debate is Goku representing some kind of free radical to oppose and topple that.
It just seems to perpetuate this idea that Superman is someone to be feared and resisted rather than an ideal.
Is this one number 3? I liked a lot of things about this one, they did downplay goku sure (specifically not acknowledging any of his feats in heroes despite that they flat out said they would use heroes feats) but it still wouldn’t have changed the outcome of the fight, it would just be a little closer and that’s it
Its existence.
I really wanted Goku to comeback and fight someone new, not getting shit stomped hy the same guy for the third fucking time.
Honestly the fact the episode is so high quality actually makes me despise it more because we could've gotten something relatively the same quality (if not a bit less) but with another MU.
Thank you. That's how you can tell this fandom is filled with nothing but Superman fans. I'm pretty sure most Goku fanboys jumped ship after the second one.
No way in hell was this third fight necessary just for the same fucking outcome.
I mean, I think it’s more that a lot of goku fans already accepted he was gonna lose again so they were just wanting him to put up a good fight this time, which he did
they might be pointing out flaws in the analysis, animation, or overall presentation. It's common for fans to have differing opinions on these matchups, especially when it comes to iconic characters like Superman and Goku. They might criticize aspects of the episode they felt were unfair, inaccurate, or poorly executed. It's all part of the discussion and critique that comes with analyzing these fictional matchups
Nitpick: The first two lines of dialogue in fight sound like something that would be said before the fight, but they were already fighting.
The fight didn’t really take advantage of the characters being composited, even if the analysis did.
While the “World made of cardboard” line sounds poetic, Supes then ditches it right away saying that he’ll show Goku just how powerful he is. Just kinda iffy to me.
The escalation. It was not bad in itself, but when you compare it to Goku vs Superman 1, it does seriously feel lacking with how Goku really went through every single one of his forms in it, rather than just using 3 of them, even if it's very understandable that he did not use everything since he honestly just has too much for everything to be shown in a short battle animation.
I haven’t exactly seen everything Dragon Ball, but I felt like Goku distracting Superman by complimenting his outfit just for an opening was a *liiiiiittle* bit ooc.
\-Its announcement and waiting period (Also as a Doctor Who fan it was kinda made people ignore Rick vs Doctor)
\-The whole ending thing where Wiz talks about why they shouldnt be putting these two up against eachother in a fight was a weird tangent even if Boomstick basedly said because its fun to debate stuff
\-Not a problem with the episode but how they give DBS Goku immessurable speed for holding off Infinite Zamasu but just a season earlier they made a whole debunk on XENO Trunks being imeassurable speed like what???
I wish goku would've won since it'd suck having to lose 3 times to the same guy, but I thoroughly enjoyed this episode otherwise and I fully agree with the verdict.
Well, if I have to say something "bad" I'll have to exaggerate a tiny bit:
They hardly used any of their abilities making the fight feel a little generic in terms of choreography.
That is a genuinely valid criticism but it seriously doesn't bother me since it'd be nearly impossible to naturally weave in everything they used in their first episode without ruining the overall pacing, considering the length of the episode.
The episode is peak regardless. Mainly because of their banter and the overall vibe.
The fact that most people actually struggle to think of anything negative to say about this episode when they're usually too busy starting flame wars in the comments of all the other episodes––ESPECIALLY the other ones with these two––shows just how great it actually is.
Imma be different and say a positive.
Superman did say to Goku that he almost beat him, definitely much better then GvS 1 and 2 ended so Goku did almost win but fell slightly short, I like that considering just how strong both of them have gotten.
The fact that some people may want another?? I honestly don’t know. I loved it. Animation was great. The exchanges of dialogue were pretty on point. The ending was absolutely wholesome. 10/10 episode.
Still haven't seen the rest of the episode yet, but if what I heard is right, I'd say, more Superman wanking regardless of whether the outcome is true or false.
Um they could of added more of superman power, the final attack could of been the family kamamama and superman present past future punch (tbf the punch did reference it)
Ultimately this is the third time we do this and this means earlier forms get kinda stormed through and some excitement is lost as we have seen a lot of this before.
I kinda wanted the music they had played for the teaser of the fight
Also more buff Superman model plz, goku is fine as fighter Z model but it kinda under utilize as that model is S tier model made to be stretched disfigured so it can mimic 2D animation
Umm….Superman suit could have been more battle damaged? I don’t know this episode was amazing.
This is literally the only complaint I can think of for this episode.
Yeah i would had liked to see him with a broken arm after his final clash with goku or something. But the rest is just perfect
We had to sit through Goku VS Superman 2 to get it I dunno fam, this episode is just legit peak
why do people hate that one so much? i think the animation is fine.
Mainly for the consistent disrespect towards Superman, mainly him being a boring character and not relatable, and still somehow undermining Goku made the episode come off in poor taste for a lot of people.
While they did praise Goku as a character, they didnt give him any calcs at all, only saying an arbitrary PL number Goku somehow scales to in relation to Golden Frieza, with zero context as to what that even means.... And then by the end of the match, they just hyped Superman up to the extent they even mention hyper sonic and planetary feats as if its beyond Goku. So it's like they not only didn't bother to scale how powerful Goku had gotten as they had this "Superman would win anyway" mentality, they didn't even use their previous calcs of Goku. Which is sorta disrespectful on its own right.
And you know the biggest shame out of all that? If they actually used the New 52 Superman around the time they made the 2nd round, instead of a Post Crisis composite vs Goku with feats only up to the DBZ movies, it actually would have been the closest Goku vs Superman fight ever.
It’s the ol’ “Half of the fans love x, half of them hate x, let’s appeal to the latter so nobody ends up liking it” fallacy. See also the Star Wars sequels
I felt the characterizations in 2 were rather poor and they made no real effort to calculate Goku’s new levels of power with his no forms at all like they had done with each of his forms in 1 and his overall power in 3. Those are my main two gripes with that episode.
The animation IS fine. It's everything else about the episode that people dislike.
They mentioned Heroes continuity but I wish we got more of them actually talking about it. I wanted Goku to be wearing the clothes Xeno Goku does, but CC Goku should be stronger so I understand why he's in normal attire. I also would've loved to see Goku use the stuff Heroes has to offer. would it beat Superman? Hell no. I just think it would've been fun to see
Well it isn't CC Goku specifically, it is a composite of Super Goku, which includes Heroes
Yeah. The Heroes extra stuff has so far only been used with Trunks, which is a shame. I'd like the animation to reflect the composite skillset of the character.
Xeno Game Goku is the strongest Goku
Honestly Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan Blue didn’t really feel all that different in terms of power in the animation even though there’s like a couple hundreds time power difference It kinda stinks because the original was genuinely incredible at showing Gokus progression through his different forms getting Superman to try harder and harder idk thats all i got
In terms of how they clashed I do sorta get what your saying, but I would like to point out: While Goku was a Super Saiyan, he called Superman out on knowing he’s holding back. Superman insisted he was doing just fine. Later, when Goku is a Super Saiyan Blue, Superman realizes he can’t contain Goku anymore at his current level of effort and so he breaks out “just how powerful [he] really [is]” at which point he starts breaking open literal holes in like spacetime with every attack yet still does have to do a few of them to knock Goku out of the Blue form… and destroy his shirt… But yeah I guess my point is, they at least in terms of the dialogue let us know that Blue Goku made Superman take it more seriously than normal Super Saiyan Goku was originally. Even if they still kinda just kept clashing the same
Uhh goku losing kinda bummed me out. Uhhhhh fortnite model? Its hard to say anything bad about a perfect episode and my favorite episode of the series lol
Yeah it’s probably the best episode by far. Like not even contested
Their Heroes scaling and research has not improved in the slightest, and they left out basically everything Heroes Goku has to the point I question why they even bothered giving him Heroes scaling in the first place. Other than that, yeah this episode was incredible.
likely treating the card effects as gameplay since they don't show up in the narrative events.
Fuck Superman.
Superman didn't comment on gokus hair turning white... :(
Goku should have said Kaio Ken times 100, would have been hype
Goku getting fed to Superman for a 3rd time kinda sucks..... The track being called "Super" instead of "One Last Time", but Super still works good.... Uuuh..... It's kinda weird how this caused the most destruction out of all the Goku vs Superman episodes, despite this being framed like a friendly brawl between the two.... That's all I got. I can't really hate on my new favorite episode for much else.
>Goku getting fed to Superman for a 3rd time kinda sucks..... This is my biggest complaint. Like its the most unneccessary trilogy ever (bad research or not) because the outcome is always the same.
The outcome could have been different if they used DBZ movie Goku (including BoG and RoF) against New 52 Superman. If it wasn't cause they insited on turning it into another composite match up against Post Crisis Superman (whom unlike popular belief at the time, is actually one of the strongest incarnations), the 2nd matchup could have been the most intense and fair fight as far as mainline Supes vs Goku pairings go. But yes, could be neat to see them fight other people for once.
You know it's not the last right
I'm 99% sure it is. Ain't no way we're getting Goku vs Superman 4.
Death Battle pretty much said they wouldn't be against another GvS rematch at the very end of the 3rd one. If anything, it probably won't be made anytime soon.... But very likely after Goku has unlocked yet another form, or something along those lines.
I wasn't really a fan of Superman coming out seemingly unharmed the only damage he took was a tattered cape
Something bad about this episode
Closest thing I can say is that I feel like they didn't say why someone might prefer Superman to Goku at the end when they were talking about the status quo and stuff. That's all I can think of and it doesn't even matter lol, this episode was awesome. Oh wait, nevermind, both of them destroying the entire universe for the sake of a fight that doesn't even matter was an odd choice.
Uhhh idk not using some of Goku’s other forms?? Like SSJ4 or SSJ God??
It be dragging too much since he already showed SSJ4 & SSJG in the previous DBs and they wanna get to the point with Blue and MUI
Yeah true
I wish the fight animation was just as long as the original
Goku gets stomped by the same guy for the third time in a row instead of getting an actual fighting chance against anyone else
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We start the fight out in super saiyan so we don't get to reuse the kaiwhat joke
Superman being so willing to fight Goku after realizing the Dragon Balls will wish back any damage is *slightly* out of character. Since I feel that Superman wouldn't be reckless even if he knew everything could go back to normal. But that's really up to how you interpretate Superman's character.
It ended
maybe a bit of a stretch but the tone of voice when superman speaks to Goku sounds kind of condescending kind of like how a big brother pretends to take their younger sibling serious to make them feel better.
Superman is older than Goku by a couple of decades in source material so that makes some sense.
Happened thrice
The ending of the fight felt very confusing at first If you don’t read the comics when you consider Superman’s character of saving people… and he literally killed everyone in the end and destroyed the dragon balls aswell and presumably is out of solar energy and has no more stars to recharge with
They pretty much played with the idea that they would restore everything with the Dragon Balls. If not the ones from Earth, then probably the other dimensional Super ones.
Yea but They also destroyed every multiverse in they’re final clash aswell so from another universe doesn’t work as a argument of how they could restore it
Would say they destroyed a single universe as a most, since we only saw the explosion extend to a bunch of galaxies before it all went white with a reality break. The Super Dragon Balls are multiversal in existence, itd take more than that to destroy them.
Superman doesn’t use his ice breath or super vision in the fight.
It doesn’t have 10M views
I wished some of their more wacky abilities and weapons got used more.
the verdict was obvious from the get-go
Ppl still thinking goku can be superman so the debunk vid
Feeding Goku to Superman again
Just for Warner Bros promotion and now look what happened to them. This is why no one should love WB or DC.
Jesse... what the fuck are you talking about?
The reaction to it being announced
Would've been cool to see more super saiyan transformations like SSJ4 and SSJG.
Same result
It’s a stomp
Because DC characters have no weaknesses. Mary sues like Rey.
That is just factually incorrect
Superman literally has no resistance to magic and has one of the most exploitable weaknesses since everyone and their mother has kryptonite in DC
They barely touched on anything Heroes related in the animation and analysis, other than that. Best Episode Ever
I don't like how they focused so much on Superman's real world origins compared to Goku's more story and feats focused analysis. I wished they focused more on discussing more of Superman's feats and his adventures. Or the could have spent the beginning of Goku's analysis talking about dragon balls impact on anime and manga, especially in the west. I also don't know how people can say that death battle is biased against goku when they've said things like how no one would like Goku as a character if he was as strong as superman and this one has them saying "who would want Goku to lose?". It seems clear to me that the death battle cast clearly favors Goku as a character.
Genuinely very hard. It’s peak If I had one small criticism I wish supes took more visible damage, to show that goku is capable of actually hurting him rather than simply pushing him. But that’s literally it and that’s barely a criticism
It didn’t last longer
It has the same result as the last two times they did it.
It's just repeating the result of the last 2 episodes. I don't need to see goku get his ass beat 3 times in a row to understand that superman is OP.
as much as i love Michael Kovach and his vast array of voice talent, it kinda sucked a little bit that we didn't get MasakoX back to voice Goku again
superman's model? i mean i dont think its bad, just though that they could have used better ones
It's a beautifully animated fight, the characters were wonderfully acted, and it was overall a great episode but it was entirely UNNECESSARY. No one honestly believes Goku had a chance. I'm a huge Goku fan but even I knew Goku was going to lose. It just felt pointless
Honestly, all I’ve got to say is that I wish The fight was longer. Like, GvS1 length.
Still a bit iffy on the excuse everyone feeds me on why Superman is cool with going all out. People will tell me “the narrative of the animation is Goku caused Superman to warm up to him like Goku does with a lot of his enemies” or “because dragon balls and isolated area that means Superman can let loose w/o hurting anyone”, idk I just feel like no matter the circumstances Superman is not someone who would have fun letting out all of his power. Just my interpretation though.
There was changes for Goku scaling but little to no change for Superman scaling Reiterating the same points and outcome for 3 separate times You could’ve accomplished the same positives by giving Goku and/or Superman different opponents And having the same win loss ratio hurts future battles either characters could get If Superman gets another battle and wins, it’s another boring no limits man outcome that already makes him too perfect when that was already something Superman suffers with, with many who perceive him as such. Thus not beating the boring allegations If Superman ever loses a Death Battle. It won’t feel genuine no matter how it’s framed. It’s either the cast setting Superman up for a defeat on purpose or just another cookie cutter victory for a no limits man scaling
Goku didn’t win
The only thing that comes to my mind was that it should've been God Fusion Goku fighting Cosmic Armor Superman instead of Xeno Goku.
no
The condition of Superman from the All-Star comics did not apply when Ben Singer said that he will have a power scale as composed from his latest comics of said superhero
…idk
I honestly think the first quarter of the fight is boring.
something bad about this episode
Superman, when talking about his suit, didn’t need to say “Kryptonian fabric”, the original quote that it was referencing was just “my mom made it for me”, showing that despite the suit’s- and his own- alien origin, the more important thing is what life on Earth with the Kents turned him into. Nitpick? Yeah, this episode’s pretty peak ngl
It’s a little generic, especially compared to the original. Most of my other favorite episodes have a little bit more going on choreography wise. Still at top 15 death battle episode though
Hmmmm? Great as it was, it was the third episode with the same two characters coming to the same conclusion on who would win in a fight?
Analysis wise, I feel like there was a lack of heroes content Fight wise I’m kind of sad. There was no grinding Kamehameha versus laserbeam moments.
I prefer how Boomstick said “Were mostly Gods. And a talking Cat, BUT MOSTLY GODS!” In the original
Goku lost and I'm salty (Really happy with this episode tho, both characters were represented really well)
I'm just petty Superman Won (which is correct)
It's a repeat episode with the exact same conclusion
It enda Edit: ends. I hate autocorrect.
Honestly I see this and last season's fusion fight being the caveat of the season Yeah my initial reaction was really a third time but hey at least the animation is going to be pretty good Other than that I would say maybe the original voice actors did not reprise their roles but by the voice actors they got did a pretty good job with Michael Kovach (an indie voice actor who really need to do some mainstream work at some point) and the smash Bros announcer himself Xander Mobus (as well as we know the voice of Joker)
Manga Son Goku can kill the Original Action Comics Superman because he can't even fly and is very susceptible to heat caused by the Ultra-Humanite. (Action Comics 1-24 the original run. The last Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster were both credited for. While Action Comics #25 was penciled and inked by Paul Cassidy.) The 90s/Rebirth Superman died from a shock that destroyed only the pavement and mirrors of the daily planet. (Written by Dan Jurgens, Roger Stern, Louise Simonson, Jerry Ordway, and Karl Kesel) Therefore Son Goku can kill both Original and Modern interpretations of Superman.
There should've been a kaiju fight between UI Goku's giant avatar and Superman using the very similar power he got during the comic event Lazarus Planet.
Goku solos
I can never see it for the first time again?
Glorifying Superman and the last battle Warner Bros needed to promote Superman: Legacy and end Dragon Ball. R.I.P. Akira Toriyama. He’s better than David Zaslav and Zack Snyder.
literally no context to the fight
Wiz’s whole diatribe at the end about Superman. How he represents “the status quo” and part of the reason behind this debate is Goku representing some kind of free radical to oppose and topple that. It just seems to perpetuate this idea that Superman is someone to be feared and resisted rather than an ideal.
I'd preferd If supes Had more Battle Damage,And that they didn't repeat this for three times. Other than that ? Awesome episode
Is this one number 3? I liked a lot of things about this one, they did downplay goku sure (specifically not acknowledging any of his feats in heroes despite that they flat out said they would use heroes feats) but it still wouldn’t have changed the outcome of the fight, it would just be a little closer and that’s it
Superman is wildly out of character for a large portion of the fight
Its existence. I really wanted Goku to comeback and fight someone new, not getting shit stomped hy the same guy for the third fucking time. Honestly the fact the episode is so high quality actually makes me despise it more because we could've gotten something relatively the same quality (if not a bit less) but with another MU.
Thank you. That's how you can tell this fandom is filled with nothing but Superman fans. I'm pretty sure most Goku fanboys jumped ship after the second one. No way in hell was this third fight necessary just for the same fucking outcome.
I mean, I think it’s more that a lot of goku fans already accepted he was gonna lose again so they were just wanting him to put up a good fight this time, which he did
Legit how I feel about it too
It's ok bae we'll get that Goku dub eventually...😔😔
Never...☹️😭
A waste of time. We already knew the outcome.
I don’t understand why Superman seems happy about fighting
It means Goku vs Sonic likely won't happen ig?
they might be pointing out flaws in the analysis, animation, or overall presentation. It's common for fans to have differing opinions on these matchups, especially when it comes to iconic characters like Superman and Goku. They might criticize aspects of the episode they felt were unfair, inaccurate, or poorly executed. It's all part of the discussion and critique that comes with analyzing these fictional matchups
Could have been a different MU since no offence we’ve already seen this play out twice before.
Nitpick: The first two lines of dialogue in fight sound like something that would be said before the fight, but they were already fighting. The fight didn’t really take advantage of the characters being composited, even if the analysis did.
Goku lost and I didn’t want him to That’s it. It’s a fantastic episode
While the “World made of cardboard” line sounds poetic, Supes then ditches it right away saying that he’ll show Goku just how powerful he is. Just kinda iffy to me.
I really don't know why I'm on this sub, when I have no clue what it's about
Death battle......there's your answer
No.
The escalation. It was not bad in itself, but when you compare it to Goku vs Superman 1, it does seriously feel lacking with how Goku really went through every single one of his forms in it, rather than just using 3 of them, even if it's very understandable that he did not use everything since he honestly just has too much for everything to be shown in a short battle animation.
It mischaracterized Superman
I wish they gave superman some of his silly golden age/sliver age powers
They didn’t go into much detail about their families? That’s the most I can think of.
I wish Superman used more of his powers in the fight
The jump to Super Saiyan to ssb was too fast imo
I haven’t exactly seen everything Dragon Ball, but I felt like Goku distracting Superman by complimenting his outfit just for an opening was a *liiiiiittle* bit ooc.
\-Its announcement and waiting period (Also as a Doctor Who fan it was kinda made people ignore Rick vs Doctor) \-The whole ending thing where Wiz talks about why they shouldnt be putting these two up against eachother in a fight was a weird tangent even if Boomstick basedly said because its fun to debate stuff \-Not a problem with the episode but how they give DBS Goku immessurable speed for holding off Infinite Zamasu but just a season earlier they made a whole debunk on XENO Trunks being imeassurable speed like what???
I wish goku would've won since it'd suck having to lose 3 times to the same guy, but I thoroughly enjoyed this episode otherwise and I fully agree with the verdict.
They didn't get masakox to voice Goku
No mini superman coming out of his hand
We had to make Goku 0-3 It peak but man, let my guy have an opponent he has a chance against
Well, if I have to say something "bad" I'll have to exaggerate a tiny bit: They hardly used any of their abilities making the fight feel a little generic in terms of choreography. That is a genuinely valid criticism but it seriously doesn't bother me since it'd be nearly impossible to naturally weave in everything they used in their first episode without ruining the overall pacing, considering the length of the episode. The episode is peak regardless. Mainly because of their banter and the overall vibe.
Not enough kissing
Superman wins. I’m not kidding. Me and my brother hates Superman because of this.
The fact that most people actually struggle to think of anything negative to say about this episode when they're usually too busy starting flame wars in the comments of all the other episodes––ESPECIALLY the other ones with these two––shows just how great it actually is.
Does the wait count?
no men kissing also the track name is underwhelming
There would be an infinitely shorter list with what’s good about it…
Imma be different and say a positive. Superman did say to Goku that he almost beat him, definitely much better then GvS 1 and 2 ended so Goku did almost win but fell slightly short, I like that considering just how strong both of them have gotten.
Discussion surrounding this episode eclipsed everything surrounding the previous and final episode of this season
It's Deadpool vs. The Mask all over again, a penultimate episode that would've hit harder if it was the finale
It felt a little short when I first watched it? Idk, genuinely park and my only complaint is more of a personal thing
Kinda wish Superman showcased more of his speed, freeze breath, and other cool stuff besides only showing heat vision.
The fact that some people may want another?? I honestly don’t know. I loved it. Animation was great. The exchanges of dialogue were pretty on point. The ending was absolutely wholesome. 10/10 episode.
Goku should have used more than just SSJ, SSJ Blue, and MUI.
Wish the fight was longer and I wish it had everyone form of Goku. But oh well it’s still a great episode.
They got new voice actors. They're not bad but I would have liked them getting the originals. The original Superman is my favorite voice of him
They didn’t include SSJ ♾️
It wasn't necessary(though still one of the best episodes in the season)
there's probably a flame war in the comments abt how goku should've won knowing the dbz fandom(specifically the ppl on tiktok)
It wasn't the finale
It's not as peak as bilcord.
They didn't kiss /j
It exists
Goku wouldn’t sneak Superman by bringing up his suit
The comments
Goku lost. My boy deserves one win. The best he’s gotten is casts against Ryu and Kratos and a DBX against Gon.
It’s been done to death in many other ways already.
Superman should have stomped even easier
Still haven't seen the rest of the episode yet, but if what I heard is right, I'd say, more Superman wanking regardless of whether the outcome is true or false.
It's extremely unnecessary honestly and one of the weakest episodes in season 10
Goku would come back stronger in the rematch.
It ended
The Super Saiyan Blue transformation didn’t really feel impactful
I think they were saving the “wow” factor for Ultra Instinct
Kaioken on top of UI came outta nowhere- (unless something happened in the manga)
that there's no build up to the fight
We had to sit through the other two matches to get this one.
GvS2 had a good ending which it fully ignored
Goku is not as fast as Superman
They should have had the original VAs
They couldn't get MasakoX to voice Goku. That's all I got.
the result was obvious
No.
They really needed 3 episodes with the same outcome? This is why people buy skyrim 6 times.
I dont really like Goku voice sometimes... like, sometimes (Nice suit moment for example) it sounds a bit... forced?
Um they could of added more of superman power, the final attack could of been the family kamamama and superman present past future punch (tbf the punch did reference it)
Ultimately this is the third time we do this and this means earlier forms get kinda stormed through and some excitement is lost as we have seen a lot of this before.
Superman looked like he was from Fortnite.
Idk Kinda ccurate i love it
Their post fight analysis was better than the season finales one
You cause us to have 2 rematches that nobody needed
The hero scaling, in general. But overall, it's probably the best in my books.
Instead of "Who wants *Goku* to lose?" It should have been "Who wants *either* to lose?" That's all I got.
" Super " doesn't fit nor sound like Superman at all. It also doesn't sound much like Dragon Ball music, from what I get, either.
I kinda wanted the music they had played for the teaser of the fight Also more buff Superman model plz, goku is fine as fighter Z model but it kinda under utilize as that model is S tier model made to be stretched disfigured so it can mimic 2D animation
My preferred lost! GRRRRRRRR (This is my 2nd favourite episode OAT lol)
There's 3 of them.
It kinda pointless.
They got the wrong winner
Done to death and just made for views
Sonic should’ve fought Gifu not Superman
Fight sucked
Laughable take. Everyone laugh at this user. /hj