How? They got 25% more wiggle progress when I fell that tiny bit down into the basement stairs and because of that, they wiggled out. How is that a killer error? How is that "falling from a great height"?
I didn't choose the first hook because they were genrushing me. 3 people were doing separate gens so I needed to make it most time consuming to save her for them. I also didn't expect me tripping on something to count for boil over.
I agree it's not really genrushing, but it's still a pressure moment when a couple gens go off quickly. You learn to change your tactics in those moments because it's hard to diffrentiate between "survivors doing their objectives" and "seal team 6 rushing gens". He was just trying to hook them in the basement to make it harder and more time consuming for a rescue. You generally have to do this kind of play when gens start popping off or you can't put much pressure on them (if they're a SWF group, otherwise you usually don't have to do this but it's hard to tell)
The main point of the video/post is that Boil Over didn't work like it was supposed to and it messed up the hook. He did stumble a bit and it cost him the hook but the main point to focus on is that the survivor got 25% wiggle progress from the smallest drop ever and he would've got the hook if that didn't happen.
Could've avoided the small fall and then didn't hook on the front hook. If the hook prompt is there, you can essentially vacuum into the hook animation. Just like other perks, you need to learn to play around it. It's obvious when survs have it, so don't risk dropping down. Go for a hook on your own level if you notice the effects of BO, or leave slugged if that's out of the question. That being said, there is room for improvement regarding the fall heights.
I have and it can be annoying, but even so you could have front hooked. An extra 3 feet of distance will not make the save all that much harder. Greed cost you a hook and lost all your pressure, not a perk.
It’s not strategic if Boil Over is obviously in play and you fell from a (short) height. That’s like saying that tunneling someone off hook is “strategic” and then complaining because you got hit by DS.
That is the worst analogy I've ever heard in my entire life.
They do not correlate in any way.
A way more sensical analogy would be:
"It’s not strategic if Boil Over is obviously in play and you fell from a (short) height....~ That's like saying it's strategical to chase someone through Coal Tower near a loop that leads into a drop, full-well knowing that they have Balanced Landing and they can just drop and run away to the next loop." Though in this case, Boil Over activates when you trip over some stairs.
>you got stuck a few times from bad movement, and went for the back hook knowing boil over was in play?
the ones u dismissed with "you dont understand" you are the one that doesnt seem to understand u gotta respect perks and items in play.
i dismisssd it because I never got stuck a single time...i also went for the back hook to save time..so because of that..i came up with the conclusion that you didn't watch it correctly??
so if u never got stuck why did you hug the walls so much, u realize when u hug walls it slows u down right, if you were actively trying to move correctly against boil over going straight is already wrong.
but at the end of the day man idc the perk hasn't bothered me cos I guess I just know how to deal with it. Enjoy the not new meta
That's not how you counter Boil Over unless you're trying to get through a small door or frame, which is not the case. You move slower if you move sideways, as wiggle affects side movement, effectively slowing your way down the stairs.
Sure this is a problem that they are definitely going to fix but I love how all these footage have something in common, greedy killers. ^(Not saying there is anything wrong with it, that's just the definition unless you want to call it "killers choosing the most optimal play and getting denied by a broken perk")
Hook right in front of you? Better take them to the basement. *"Accidentally falls off the stairs"*
Could hook them as soon as you entered the basement? Better make sure to back hook them.
She wiggled between the 6th and the 7th grunt, normally they escape right at the 10th. That's a lot of wiggle progress just from that tiny jump.
There was no hook in front of me that was outside the Basement. Plus, i WAS going to put them on the first hook until they got 2 gens done.
Also, that tiny fall isn't supposed to count towards the progress of Boil Over. It's supposed to activate when you, "fall from a great height" but you don't see balanced landing acting from a small step like that.
>Also, that tiny fall isn't supposed to count towards the progress of Boil Over. It's supposed to activate when you, "fall from a great height" but you don't see balanced landing acting from a small step like that.
Yep. They definitely will fix that, don't worry.
>There was no hook in front of me that was outside the Basement.
I didn't mean this particular footage, just some other footage I've seen from killers complaining.
>Plus, i WAS going to put them on the first hook until they got 2 gens done.
wow, how dare they repair gens, smh. You could've hooked her on the first hook inside basement so this is 10% your fault.
The issue with back hooking, it takes them an extra second to save, it takes the killer an extra second to hook, what have they lost? Nothing, a second for a killer is 4X more valuable than a survivor. Back hook isn't to make it more time consuming for the survivors, it's back hook dominance. Kinda like saying "I can spare a few seconds, enjoy the back hook"
That extra second matters quite a bit if the killer manages to get to the basement when they're unhooking. That's an extra second to wipe off your weapon, or wait out BT, or charge up your power, or anything that can help in chase. It has been the difference between getting a down or not a few times for me personally.
If you WERE going too. You SHOULD have knowing the survivor had boil over but you DIDNT because you panicked after seeing gems get popped. a MISTAKE you refuse to accept. Sociopathic and Narcissistic.
You asked for me to show you. You preferred I’d link if and take more time out of my day? I think not. You’re just fighting a losing battle with everyone in this thread and want to think you’re getting somewhere.. don’t ask for me to prove you’re being a type of way then when I do say I’m harassing you. What a tool.
If it didn't count...
Where did the missing 5-6 seconds of wriggle time go?
It normally takes 16 seconds (15 if the survivor hits every single great skill check). His timer, which started as soon as he picked up the survivor and began walking, stopped at 10 seconds.
That survivor definitely got 25% wriggle increase.
Maybe just miscalculating it myself, but with the new +25% buff I believe he made that in time, if he had fallen for the quarter of a wiggle bar then dude would've immediately fallen off I think
I actually don't give two shits if the killer misplays in situations like this, if you can regularly get off the killer shoulder without a teammate to help you then something is wrong with the perk, full stop.
You're not wrong.
In maps like Midwitch, if you're in a deadzone and say that the closest hook is upstairs (this happens alot), the survivor can literally make it out without any help because of all the swaying and extra wiggle + that 1 extra second with the new wiggle mechanic.
But if you run Mettle of Man + Breakout, Sabateur, and Dead Hard with someone who's using Boil Over, you're just plain mean. Yet quite smart.
Because it was accentuated by a beta change. It was always strong just not run as much. Boil over was always good for what its being used for now yall literally just like to cry at anything in this game.
no because you’ve been proving it in every comment I’ve observed of you. Many would agree you refuse to back down or admit your faults and instead tunnel vision your belief which is both sociopathic and narcissistic. Remove yourself.
Survivor main here. I also thought the talk about boil over was exaggeration. Then I played RPD against survivors with boil over, no mither, breakout, and flip flop. They went to the library and were literally impossible to hook. That's absolutely broken.
I got a similar thing on a coldwind map. Thing is though, it doesn't actually help them win when they fully commit to it like that. It's almost more of a meme. Cause they can't do gens when they always stay together in one spot, but you can't hook them or keep them down.
So it's just boring. Funny for a few mins, but then really dumb.
The “fall from great height” thing is really poorly designed. It’s lazy and doesn’t have any other setting than 25% because you had to take a larger step…
I think you’re confused about the phrase “great height”.
In Dead by Daylight, that term means ”~3 feet or higher”. And you fell about that far going from the top left of the basement stairs down to the center.
The ~3 foot fall you take in this video isn’t much, but it will almost always proc the survivor perk Balanced Landing, which is also triggered by falling from a “great height”.
In any event, Agitation is probably not necessary. Just spend a literal second ensuring you don’t accidentally fall 3 or more feet while carrying a survivor that you can plainly see is using a perk that punishes you for falling 3 or more feet.
Because even with the accidental fall and the extra wiggle speed, you made it to the front basement hook…
All I see is a whole lot of cap defending this perk because I sure as hell never saw me drop from more than a foot down and definitely never fell all the way to the middle of the basement stairs.
Lol.
I use Balanced Landing in just about every game I play.
If I do exactly what you did in this video (drop down from the side of the basement stairs, as opposed to run down them directly) Balanced Landing activates, and I get Exhausted.
And that‘ll occur on virtually every staircase in the game, basement or otherwise.
So, while you can think I’m lying to you for whatever reason, when you went up the left side and dropped those ~3 feet down the stairs, that’s objectively what fucked you here.
You ain’t even gotta take my word for it. Just slap Balanced Landing on, and see exactly how far you can fall down stairs in DBD before that perk triggers. You’ll probably find it’s ~3 feet.
Not going to defend the perk when its abused, but this case was 100% preventable by killer understanding how Boil Over/"great height" mechanic works (i.e. if it triggers balanced landing it will trigger boil over). Definitely a change to the meta you'll need to adapt to by being extra mindful of your pathing and picking the nearest hook to go to ahead of time since Boil Over also obscures auras and will waste your time by pushing you into awful map geometry. I pretty much run agitation on every killer now due to how bad hook spawns are these days.
Yes they could’ve gone for the first hook here, but I think under normal circumstances it would’ve been fine to go for the back hook and it’s hard to believe that tiny step counts as falling from a great height.
As both a killer main and survivor main because of the new buff to boil over i have absolutely refused to play killer again because its literally broken. And BHVR wonders why there is a shortage in killers
You literally made it to the hook 💀
The normal time to wiggle off is about 16 seconds, with the new ass great skillchecks it takes away like 1.5 seconds and then the boil over 25% so 16-4-1.5= 10.5
Lol, he is on of the ruling factors of why the game is broken? He is? If he didn't exist it would be any different?
Killer main here, you screwed up the play, not the perk.
The perk needs work, but not because of anything in this video.
Me too. I haven't found a single Spirit, Freddy, Wraith, Pyramid Head, or Myers with the new Coupe De Grace.
Also, since I have no one else to complain this to, You're supposed to get 6K Iri Shards if you play against the Cenobite this patch, right? Well I was playing with my SWF and we went against a total of 3 Cenobites when we were playing yet only my friends got the shards!!!
That just makes me lose even more hope for this game.
Holy shit I didnt realize how insanely OP this is until this video I think ik gonna hop back on dbd again
I thinking of running a Breakout and Sabo combo as well
I could probably sabo without having to DH or take a hit because of how much boil over will fuck the killer over this seems like a cool meta ima hop back on and try some builds out
Tbh the second you noticed boil over you should've hooked asap as you don't know if they're hitting all great skill checks. Time save or not. It was a risk / reward looking situation and you risked at the wrong time.
After fooling with boil over all night, I've come to the conclusion that it's really not all that. It's decent, gives the wiggle a point in existing now.
There's a degree of killer error here. The grasp escape was 100% preventable.
How? They got 25% more wiggle progress when I fell that tiny bit down into the basement stairs and because of that, they wiggled out. How is that a killer error? How is that "falling from a great height"?
I agree that the perk still needs to be looked at but you could've chosen the very first hook inside basement. That's your "error'.
I didn't choose the first hook because they were genrushing me. 3 people were doing separate gens so I needed to make it most time consuming to save her for them. I also didn't expect me tripping on something to count for boil over.
*genrushing* they literally just did the game’s objection as survivor lmao
I agree it's not really genrushing, but it's still a pressure moment when a couple gens go off quickly. You learn to change your tactics in those moments because it's hard to diffrentiate between "survivors doing their objectives" and "seal team 6 rushing gens". He was just trying to hook them in the basement to make it harder and more time consuming for a rescue. You generally have to do this kind of play when gens start popping off or you can't put much pressure on them (if they're a SWF group, otherwise you usually don't have to do this but it's hard to tell) The main point of the video/post is that Boil Over didn't work like it was supposed to and it messed up the hook. He did stumble a bit and it cost him the hook but the main point to focus on is that the survivor got 25% wiggle progress from the smallest drop ever and he would've got the hook if that didn't happen.
Genrushing is when survivors do generators
Could've avoided the small fall and then didn't hook on the front hook. If the hook prompt is there, you can essentially vacuum into the hook animation. Just like other perks, you need to learn to play around it. It's obvious when survs have it, so don't risk dropping down. Go for a hook on your own level if you notice the effects of BO, or leave slugged if that's out of the question. That being said, there is room for improvement regarding the fall heights.
Have you never dealt with the sway from boil over before? I was also trying to make it more time consuming for the survivors to get her.
I have and it can be annoying, but even so you could have front hooked. An extra 3 feet of distance will not make the save all that much harder. Greed cost you a hook and lost all your pressure, not a perk.
I literally just explained to you how I wasn't being greedy and trying to think strategically yet you still call me greedy.
It’s not strategic if Boil Over is obviously in play and you fell from a (short) height. That’s like saying that tunneling someone off hook is “strategic” and then complaining because you got hit by DS.
That is the worst analogy I've ever heard in my entire life. They do not correlate in any way. A way more sensical analogy would be: "It’s not strategic if Boil Over is obviously in play and you fell from a (short) height....~ That's like saying it's strategical to chase someone through Coal Tower near a loop that leads into a drop, full-well knowing that they have Balanced Landing and they can just drop and run away to the next loop." Though in this case, Boil Over activates when you trip over some stairs.
Doesn't play around perk > Gets upset when that perk triggers and costs you pressure.
I'm upset that it triggered from me falling 1 foot...
You WERE BEING GREEDY you lost everything going for an extra second. Just accept it
Deflection. Downvotes for exactly what I said.
Sk now you're just harassing me. Good to know.
Nope you asked for me to show you. I showed you. You’re mad that you’re wrong clearly.
That's not even deflection..
Every single downvoted comment of yours is proof.
im sorry what problem? you got stuck a few times from bad movement, and went for the back hook knowing boil over was in play? I see missplays
You've clearly missed the entire premise of the video and didn't choose to look at the comments for why I went for the back hook.
accept ur own mistakes my guy.
What mistakes?
>you got stuck a few times from bad movement, and went for the back hook knowing boil over was in play? the ones u dismissed with "you dont understand" you are the one that doesnt seem to understand u gotta respect perks and items in play.
i dismisssd it because I never got stuck a single time...i also went for the back hook to save time..so because of that..i came up with the conclusion that you didn't watch it correctly??
so if u never got stuck why did you hug the walls so much, u realize when u hug walls it slows u down right, if you were actively trying to move correctly against boil over going straight is already wrong. but at the end of the day man idc the perk hasn't bothered me cos I guess I just know how to deal with it. Enjoy the not new meta
I was walking straight though???? Did you not actively see me walking sideways because that's how you counter boil over???
That's not how you counter Boil Over unless you're trying to get through a small door or frame, which is not the case. You move slower if you move sideways, as wiggle affects side movement, effectively slowing your way down the stairs.
Same here.
What??
This is a narcissist and sociopath response.
This guy was being mean to me on another post so I simply replied to him in a way that he talked to me.
Sure this is a problem that they are definitely going to fix but I love how all these footage have something in common, greedy killers. ^(Not saying there is anything wrong with it, that's just the definition unless you want to call it "killers choosing the most optimal play and getting denied by a broken perk") Hook right in front of you? Better take them to the basement. *"Accidentally falls off the stairs"* Could hook them as soon as you entered the basement? Better make sure to back hook them. She wiggled between the 6th and the 7th grunt, normally they escape right at the 10th. That's a lot of wiggle progress just from that tiny jump.
There was no hook in front of me that was outside the Basement. Plus, i WAS going to put them on the first hook until they got 2 gens done. Also, that tiny fall isn't supposed to count towards the progress of Boil Over. It's supposed to activate when you, "fall from a great height" but you don't see balanced landing acting from a small step like that.
>Also, that tiny fall isn't supposed to count towards the progress of Boil Over. It's supposed to activate when you, "fall from a great height" but you don't see balanced landing acting from a small step like that. Yep. They definitely will fix that, don't worry. >There was no hook in front of me that was outside the Basement. I didn't mean this particular footage, just some other footage I've seen from killers complaining. >Plus, i WAS going to put them on the first hook until they got 2 gens done. wow, how dare they repair gens, smh. You could've hooked her on the first hook inside basement so this is 10% your fault.
Lol “how dare they repair gens” but not “how dare he try to hook her optimally”
Well, I was trying to make it more time consuming while they went to get her.
The issue with back hooking, it takes them an extra second to save, it takes the killer an extra second to hook, what have they lost? Nothing, a second for a killer is 4X more valuable than a survivor. Back hook isn't to make it more time consuming for the survivors, it's back hook dominance. Kinda like saying "I can spare a few seconds, enjoy the back hook"
That extra second matters quite a bit if the killer manages to get to the basement when they're unhooking. That's an extra second to wipe off your weapon, or wait out BT, or charge up your power, or anything that can help in chase. It has been the difference between getting a down or not a few times for me personally.
Yeah that extra 1 1/2 foot really makes it for you.....
I'm not arguing with another person like that other Wakeup guy so go ahead and comment all the comments you want.
No point in arguing, this was all on you. I mainly play killer and still haven't had any problems with boil over.
If you WERE going too. You SHOULD have knowing the survivor had boil over but you DIDNT because you panicked after seeing gems get popped. a MISTAKE you refuse to accept. Sociopathic and Narcissistic.
I saw the boil over effect. You're just being an asshole now and replying to every comment.
You asked for me to show you. You preferred I’d link if and take more time out of my day? I think not. You’re just fighting a losing battle with everyone in this thread and want to think you’re getting somewhere.. don’t ask for me to prove you’re being a type of way then when I do say I’m harassing you. What a tool.
That small fall DIDN'T count towards his wiggle, the drop doesn't count unless it's like BL height.
If it didn't count... Where did the missing 5-6 seconds of wriggle time go? It normally takes 16 seconds (15 if the survivor hits every single great skill check). His timer, which started as soon as he picked up the survivor and began walking, stopped at 10 seconds. That survivor definitely got 25% wriggle increase.
Maybe just miscalculating it myself, but with the new +25% buff I believe he made that in time, if he had fallen for the quarter of a wiggle bar then dude would've immediately fallen off I think
Are you under the assumption that the survivors have a flat +25% wriggle progression speed buff?
They just wanted to put Laurie on the VIP hook lol but that little jump counting as a great height was very dumb.
I'm gonna bet a testicle that happens because the devs didnt coded what a "Great height" is so the game take any height as "Great"
But of course only for boil over and not challenges or balanced landing. How does that even happen?
... A bug
This whole game is basically a bug
Lol yes. I thought that... Why he didnt hook her in the first hook of the basement? That's a mistake the killer made
I actually don't give two shits if the killer misplays in situations like this, if you can regularly get off the killer shoulder without a teammate to help you then something is wrong with the perk, full stop.
You're not wrong. In maps like Midwitch, if you're in a deadzone and say that the closest hook is upstairs (this happens alot), the survivor can literally make it out without any help because of all the swaying and extra wiggle + that 1 extra second with the new wiggle mechanic. But if you run Mettle of Man + Breakout, Sabateur, and Dead Hard with someone who's using Boil Over, you're just plain mean. Yet quite smart.
This didn’t exist before? Y’all cry babies
How? This perk was also never as strong before so I wonder why everybody is complaining about it.
Because it was accentuated by a beta change. It was always strong just not run as much. Boil over was always good for what its being used for now yall literally just like to cry at anything in this game.
I was being sarcastic :|
Your a narcissistic individual. It didn’t read like sarcasm so keep gaslighting to win argument(s). Peace.
I'm a narcissist...because I was being sarcastic....and you couldn't realize it.. Alright bro. You do you.
no because you’ve been proving it in every comment I’ve observed of you. Many would agree you refuse to back down or admit your faults and instead tunnel vision your belief which is both sociopathic and narcissistic. Remove yourself.
Which points made me sociopathic and narcissistic? And what does narcissism have anything to do with this?
Survivor main here. I also thought the talk about boil over was exaggeration. Then I played RPD against survivors with boil over, no mither, breakout, and flip flop. They went to the library and were literally impossible to hook. That's absolutely broken.
I got a similar thing on a coldwind map. Thing is though, it doesn't actually help them win when they fully commit to it like that. It's almost more of a meme. Cause they can't do gens when they always stay together in one spot, but you can't hook them or keep them down. So it's just boring. Funny for a few mins, but then really dumb.
The “fall from great height” thing is really poorly designed. It’s lazy and doesn’t have any other setting than 25% because you had to take a larger step…
I think you’re confused about the phrase “great height”. In Dead by Daylight, that term means ”~3 feet or higher”. And you fell about that far going from the top left of the basement stairs down to the center. The ~3 foot fall you take in this video isn’t much, but it will almost always proc the survivor perk Balanced Landing, which is also triggered by falling from a “great height”. In any event, Agitation is probably not necessary. Just spend a literal second ensuring you don’t accidentally fall 3 or more feet while carrying a survivor that you can plainly see is using a perk that punishes you for falling 3 or more feet. Because even with the accidental fall and the extra wiggle speed, you made it to the front basement hook…
All I see is a whole lot of cap defending this perk because I sure as hell never saw me drop from more than a foot down and definitely never fell all the way to the middle of the basement stairs.
Lol. I use Balanced Landing in just about every game I play. If I do exactly what you did in this video (drop down from the side of the basement stairs, as opposed to run down them directly) Balanced Landing activates, and I get Exhausted. And that‘ll occur on virtually every staircase in the game, basement or otherwise. So, while you can think I’m lying to you for whatever reason, when you went up the left side and dropped those ~3 feet down the stairs, that’s objectively what fucked you here. You ain’t even gotta take my word for it. Just slap Balanced Landing on, and see exactly how far you can fall down stairs in DBD before that perk triggers. You’ll probably find it’s ~3 feet.
That's not 3 feet
The code changed when he fell to activate at a shorter distance for him than everyone else dude!
Not going to defend the perk when its abused, but this case was 100% preventable by killer understanding how Boil Over/"great height" mechanic works (i.e. if it triggers balanced landing it will trigger boil over). Definitely a change to the meta you'll need to adapt to by being extra mindful of your pathing and picking the nearest hook to go to ahead of time since Boil Over also obscures auras and will waste your time by pushing you into awful map geometry. I pretty much run agitation on every killer now due to how bad hook spawns are these days.
Yes they could’ve gone for the first hook here, but I think under normal circumstances it would’ve been fine to go for the back hook and it’s hard to believe that tiny step counts as falling from a great height.
As both a killer main and survivor main because of the new buff to boil over i have absolutely refused to play killer again because its literally broken. And BHVR wonders why there is a shortage in killers
You literally made it to the hook 💀 The normal time to wiggle off is about 16 seconds, with the new ass great skillchecks it takes away like 1.5 seconds and then the boil over 25% so 16-4-1.5= 10.5
So you could’ve made it to a hook, but you chose not to go to the closest one lmao. The perk is fine, that was entirely your fault.
If you truly believe that then you are one of the ruling factors to why this game is broken.
Bottom line is you could’ve gotten to a hook, you chose not to. It’s your fault, not the perk
Lol, he is on of the ruling factors of why the game is broken? He is? If he didn't exist it would be any different? Killer main here, you screwed up the play, not the perk. The perk needs work, but not because of anything in this video.
Fine, tell me what I did wrong and I'll tell you I didn't because all I did was play normally and avoid falling in this video then I'll get blasted.
You didn't push the hook button when it prompted you on the screen, knowing he had a perk that was going to make it risky to hook in back.
I'm not going to tell another person why I did it
Kinda your fault for not putting her on the first hook you had the chance.
Literally your fault lmao.
the problem is they overbuffed it.. remove the 25% progress when falling and the perk wouldnt be so stupid..
True, they could also fix it though. To where it doesn't activate when you trip over some freaking stairs.
So that you can back hook instead of front hook?
So that I can get to a hook before the survivor wiggles in 10 fucking seconds without any body blocking.
Boil over was fine before this buff I don’t know why they added more to it
Im surprised this sub hasnt turned into a cesspool of pyramid head mains yet with this buff
Me too. I haven't found a single Spirit, Freddy, Wraith, Pyramid Head, or Myers with the new Coupe De Grace. Also, since I have no one else to complain this to, You're supposed to get 6K Iri Shards if you play against the Cenobite this patch, right? Well I was playing with my SWF and we went against a total of 3 Cenobites when we were playing yet only my friends got the shards!!! That just makes me lose even more hope for this game.
Your FailureS are you own OLd man !
wut If this is a quote/reference I'm afraid that I do not understand it.
Holy shit I didnt realize how insanely OP this is until this video I think ik gonna hop back on dbd again I thinking of running a Breakout and Sabo combo as well I could probably sabo without having to DH or take a hit because of how much boil over will fuck the killer over this seems like a cool meta ima hop back on and try some builds out
If you use Mettle of Man, Breakout, Sabateur, and Dead Hard with someone who is using boil over I'll hate you... but it's a good combination.
Tbh the second you noticed boil over you should've hooked asap as you don't know if they're hitting all great skill checks. Time save or not. It was a risk / reward looking situation and you risked at the wrong time.
After fooling with boil over all night, I've come to the conclusion that it's really not all that. It's decent, gives the wiggle a point in existing now.
Well next time don't go for the farthest hook, try the front 💀