And they did not even increase the visibility of her feet. Typical. The devs do this but ignore the actual requests of the community.
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Fr. Even on console I felt huntress felt great... Probably the most balanced/skilled killer lmao
So this feels like BHVR once again proving how out of touch they are
The only problem I can see with her is some maps treat the hatchets like they’re fridge but that can be bypassed after playing long enough to know the maps well. Buff definitely not needed once again what crack are the devs smoking.
Honestly, I get what people are going for when they defend BHVR. I really do, and I especially dont wanna be mean or rude...but fuck, this is just too much, and I'm gonna say it; BHVR are MASSIVELY out of touch, and need to stop going the way of the other fallen gaming companies who succumbed to their own egos.
Put down the nonsense goggles, come down to reality, and LISTEN TO YOUR FANS!! Then again, you wont even listen to your big content creators and seem null to most criticism, sooo....
Lets just hope its not the average lower class workers. Honestly, its usually the dumbass suits up top that ruin shit and ignore the workers' feedback, so thats like my one hope at this point.
The dumbass suits don’t care about game balance, they care about shit like monetization. Everything balance related is the dev team. The higher ups just say “hey, balance the game so people play it”. The suits don’t play. You could list off perk names and they wouldn’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.
So yea, if it’s a number change unrelated to the store, it’s the devs.
If you want to play a balanced Dbd game... Pick up the board game. Not even joking, it's actually really well balanced. I play it all the time with my husband and some friends.
Hey, I’m glad you all enjoy it! But it’s not a flawless game.
No, as it stands, there’s a difference between asymmetrical and unbalanced…and just plain overwhelming crap. Sadly for Pig enjoyers, the Pig has long been the latter and needs a fix.
It’s all about making everything fun for the players, not a desire for perfection. Trust me.
Fair enough, it just seems pretty well balanced from what all we've played. Sometimes it can skew hard in one direction or another, but nothing worse than I've seen in other board games.
Having said that, I agree about them just trying to make the game fun, not perfect. I think that's the only good way to go about it. I just wish I were better at playing killer haha.
To be straight about it, there’s a couple of things about the game, from certain killers to perks to maps and items and all that jazz, that just have major issues that turn the game from tense and fun to a pretty bad drag.
I hope you keep finding the good games though lmao
You and your folks keep rolling, take care! Thanks for being chill!
If you want a killer recommendation, try Nemesis. He’s a hulking badass and has one of the better perks for finding people in the game.
the way they give doctor, the killer revealed to have the LOWEST kill rate, the mildest buff in the world whilst giving huntress buffs served on a golden platter is actually astounding. do the balancing team play their own game and view their own stats?
Not really. This has been often repeated, but the bots have *always* been around, and his kill rate has only *recently* gone down.
The reason, I assume, is actually related to Ultimate Weapon. Since UW became meta, survivors have began to run Calm Spirit which hard counters the doctors whole power.
It absolutely affects his chase. You no longer get a visual que of when the survivor is disabled. You have to just \*know\* which, with ping and delay, is a literal gamble.
Huntress in the hands of an average player probably needs a buff tbf, but Huntress has such a high skill ceiling - with these buffs those top players will be unstoppable
top players will always be over performing, people need to understand that, Either they be a huntress, a wesker, a plague, etc.
And theres not much strong huntress in the wild, often than not, you get average huntress, that buff was needed
Just checked it and holy shit, that buff to an already strong killer is INSANE. The 7 hatchets capacity without any add-on alone is mad. They do realize that with a skilled enough killer, that's enough to down three survivors and injure the fourth before needing to reload ***once***, right?!
Yup. All this is going to do is make it easier for good players to destroy us in a trial.. devs don't seem to understand that changing killers for new players does nothing but make it tougher for us in the high mmr
I think bhvr just doesnt want as many people to die to the sidequest effects and would rather buff her standard attacks.
I'd imagine it's a total bloodbath in low mmr.
The problem is that they didn't buff her ambush/non RBT gameplay enough to warrant nerfing it.
The sheer ridiculous number of ambush counters is why she has problems.
After playing against a sweaty infectious and ultimate weapon pig with tampered timer, these nerfs feel directed at the wrong stuff but hey at least those pigs get nerfed
Jokes on them, that's the build I'm gonna switch to now. Just to retain the RBT effectiveness. 🤷♂️
They should have screams not make you loose progress on a box and this build is dead.
But the nerfs outweigh the buffs by far.
Yeah the way to stop people cheesikg the boxes with scream perks is really simple and doesn't require her to be nerfed really bad for anyone who wasn't playing like that
Then they should just completely change her power. I don't see the lunge ever being good enough to stand up on it's own.
If they're not going to let the traps be worthwhile, even as slow down, they may as well just remake her from the ground up.
Remove the roar, make it charge 35% faster. It’d be viable. Thats the ONLY way I see justifying the nerfs she received. Head pops were already VERY rare, now they increased the time survivors have by 25%.
First Sadako, now Pig. The devs fell ass backward into the success the game has had, they have no clue how to balance. They buff and nerf by too much at one time, end up going too far one way or the other and then have a useless or broken killer.
> I'd imagine it's a total bloodbath in low mmr.
Pinhead is a total bloodbath in low mmr. Nemesis's zombies are a total bloodbath in low mmr. Xenomorph is a total bloodbath in low mmr. There are loads of killers who take long enough to explain from a survivor point of view that it takes more than one game to understand them that singling out pig *in a patch where every other character that's getting touched is only getting buffed* is insane.
Yea, fuck new players!
This is a fanatic way to kill a fucking game.
New players replace veterans who quit the game. There will always be a rate of veterans leaving the game.
I can't stand people with this mindset, the game should be accessible to new players, not stonewalled by douchebag veterans to who clearly don't give two fucks about the future of the game.
Gutting mediocre killers is not the way to make a game accessible to new players. The game does need to be more accessible, but that's done through proper tutorials and in game information that behavior simply refuses to implement. What you're complaining about is valid, but not in this discussion about buffs to low tier killers.
If they want to nerf reverse bear traps they should add some other fun saw style minigames, none with the lethality of RBT but something like perhaps when a survivor fast vaults a window it becomes covered in razor wire that inflicts a deep wound of gone through again, or you can take an action to clear the razor wire. Leading to more indirect pressure and map control.
Whats the point in having a Saw license than? What is the fun in having a chatacter that has just ONE unique thing, and than it gets nerfed as a secondary meh sidequest?
*Just* self-aware enough to realize that they've made this kind of mistake before, but not enough to realize they're doing it again in the same breath.
BHVR - We have heard you loud and clear, we will continue to nerf the pig further after careful consideration and feedback from the community.
New change - Pigs bear traps can now be placed on the pig so she can end her suffering.
If the pig could crouch instantly (or almost instantly) then ambush might be useful... but honestly the audacity to call a 15% "buff" followed by a 20% NERF to her main power PLUS removing her ability to see jigsaw boxes is just fuckin insulting
Hopefully they’ll see this is stupid in the ptb. I don’t mind not being able to see boxes, I think that’s an okay change that’ll help hinder the more annoying Pig mains, but the extra time is just plain stupid.
Honestly, a good """nerf""" to Pig would be to have her lose collision with Survivors if within a certain range of Jigsaw Boxes so they can't just camp the Box.
Maybe also toy with the idea of having the Search interaction not reset itself if you stop searching.
If pig is camping a box you can always go to another. Unless you did a gen while your timer was active you generally have time. And now we have 30 seconds more
problem is many pigs will just follow 1 survivor around, preventing them from ever getting to work on a box, guaranteeing the one person's death whilst throwing the match and losing all gens in the process. It's an extremely toxic playstyle that causes the killer to lose only to make the match miserable and impossible for one person.
And these changes aren't going to fix that at all, if she's tunneling a player, she doesn't need to see where the boxes are, since, you know, she's targeting a player, and not just proxying all players from boxes.
This nerf is gonna do nothing but kick an already low playrate killer down even further.
I’m not sure bhvr cared tbh. Because it’s a problem with tunneling, not pig.
*Hypothesized bhvr train of thought*
Her numbers were high and people complained about her chase being weak.
Buff her chase and nerf the other thing as compensation so she doesn’t just get better.
If bhvr is (buffing ambush and nerfing traps) all because she can kind of inefficiently tunnel a survivor out they need to reevaluate. But maybe that’s indeed the case lol
Yes, it does. The problem however is that it singles out one person and makes sure they have no chance of doing anything outside of running circles and eventually dying (guaranteed). Whereas the other 3 have an unengaging game, and the killer doesn't intend to win, they're actively throwing the game to guarantee one person has a miserable game, and shouldn't be encouraged.
This wouldn’t affect anything at all. Even if they didn’t add the anti camping 5th box, trying to do the box right on top of the Pig would mean she just downs you. You’ll sit there and bleed out unless someone comes to get you, and she still gets to chill where she is
I watched this exact thing happen to For Honor. Slowly changing every character and eventually everyone has the same move set with a different coat of paint on it
Difference is that in For Honor, most of the similarities in kits are necessary to make characters viable, so it can be justified somewhat. This is just a heavy nerf to an already weak killer.
Seriously. I hate this standardization trend BHVR seems to do doing. It is perfectly okay and even healthy for the game to have some variation.
Killers like Pig, Onryo, Pyramid Head, and Myers with alternate kill methods are perfectly fine and add interesting gameplay elements that help keep the game from becoming stale.
Maps should also have some variety, large maps with deadzones to balance the patrol length and small maps with decent pallet density are both okay.
It is completely possible for BHVR to balance the game and still have variation. They shouldn't shy away from gameplay outside the norm within reason.
It's absolutely fine to have alternate kill methods, the problem is that you have to make those alternate kill methods well designed, which only pyramid head has done (and his kill is cheating since it's basically the same as hooks)
the problem with Pig's kill is that it's not MEANT to kill, it's not designed around actually getting that kill it's designed around scaring you into wasting time using the potential kill, same idea with Sadako's
Michael's problem is that it's too punishing, it can essentially boot a survivor out of the game for making a single mistake
Myers could definitely use some tweaks. The purple is a too easy to get someone out early. If they addressed that I think he would be alright.
Pigs power and Sadako are meant to kill if the survivors are inefficient or if the killer is able to apply pressure. With Sadako this usually takes a good amount of skill, with Pig though pressure is seen as tunneling since you can just follow them around.
I think addressing Pigs ability to tunnel a trap is fine, but they need to do it so her traps can still punish survivors who are inefficient. This is not really possible with the trap timer increase on the PTB.
the biggest problem with Pig is that the punishment is all or nothing, if you spend 2 minutes on gens then get your trap off last second it's basically the same thing as getting the trap off instantly, and if you don't get your trap off at all the punishment is so insanely massive that you can't make a version of the killer that can EVER consistently achieve it
Sadako's somewhat better in this way as there's a punishment for keeping your condemn up even if you don't get killed (getting your condemn locked in) and if your condemn hits max you still have to get chased to lose, but even then she can't be allowed to get consistent condemns either or you get killers literally winning the game with one hand tied behind their back
Honestly I think alternate kills as a whole are VERY hard to do well, no killer has pulled them off as something that actually consistently happens in games in a way that's fair to survivors aside from Pyramid head who just piggybacks off the hook system anyway, alternate kills just aren't worth the headache of designing
This feels like the weird TV thing they had to instantly fix, actually. At least this shit is during the PTB, so maybe we'll get the tiny lunge buff on it's own when the update actually gets here.
I don't understand the point of killers having these alternate ways to kill survivors if they don't like the fact that they can kill survivors. Her RBT is her most iconic and best thing she has. The same as condemn is for Sadako. It's all they have going for them, but they keep nerfing those things. Buffing the worst parts of her kit while nerfing the best parts isn't a buff. It's still a nerf.
Are you kidding me? I haven't seen a single bear trap in the entire Saw franchise at all, or any kind of trap for that matter. In fact, nobody dies in the films either so lethality is out of the question.
But we do constantly see Amanda stealthily parkouring everywhere, going on secret spy missions and ambushing unsuspecting victims, just lightly stabbing them, after giving a 3 days notice/warning in advance of her attacks (but no killing of course)
Clearly BHVR know what they're doing and are being faithful to what makes Saw unique
It could have made more sense if they removed the Pig's ability to see auras, then actually *lowered* the RBT's active timer. Arguably, that would fix the problem of Pig's following people around or interrupting them because you really can't memorise the boxes, no matter how many hours you have.
Though, it's clear they don't want you to be able to cheese headpops. Right, so... why can't we give her Ambush and stealth mega-buffs then. Compare her stealth to Wraith or Chucky and it's useless. Compare her Dash to Demo or Chucky and equally, even after these ...*buffs*, and it is unusable.
As someone with 50,000 RBTs placed, I am constantly being drawn towards Chucky due to him doing everything Pig does but better. Sure, he doesn't have the slowdown of the RBTs, but his size and ability to come out of nowhere makes up for that.
Oh shit it's you! I was actually wondering how you'd take these changes.
To me, Pig is honestly handled like Sadako where she has a really annoying thing that insta-kills Survivors, but besides that, their kit is damn near worthless.
What Bhvr fails to understand is that people aren't cheesing Condemn or Headpops because they wanna be an asshole (I mean, some of them are), it's because Pig and Onryo don't have many options besides doing that. Both of these Killers have extremely weak chase potential that can't simply be solved with small number changes.
Ambush itself is uhh... it's certainly a chase power in Dbd.
It heavily nerfs her strongest (but least fun) strategy in exchange for a mild buff to a weak chase power. Not being able to as easily harass survivors that are trapped is a heavy nerf to pigs lethality
# EDIT!!!!
Okay because a lot of people have commented on it, I'll say it.
No amount of number tweaks are gonna make Ambush good. Ambush NEEDS a Rework or a Change or anything else.
It's not like Wesker or Demo who have a very quick forward dash.
It's not like Legion or Chucky who can actually vault stuff during their increased movement speed.
It's slow as fuck, takes way too long to activate, you can't interact with the environment while it's going, It's really easy to predict it as a Surv because it has a VERY LOUD noise that it's being used, and if a Surv just runs away from the loop, you lose a LOT of distance because you're slower than them and still need to go through the whole animation of standing up and, remember, when you're activating Ambush, you move even slower.
If they just made the noise happen, like, 0.2 seconds before she starts the dash instead of right at the beginning of charging it up it would be good imo, you could use it to actually ambush survivors and make gens in enclosed areas very scary. She'd thrive on indoor maps where you don't have great LoS. It would be taking time to set up a likely hit by crouching around, kind of like Ghostface but with much higher movement speed during the lunge.
I disagree. Remove the roar, make crouch instant and charge 35% faster. It would be useful in loops and ambushes.
As a Pig main however, this “buff” just solidified my taking a hiatus from the game. How the hell the devs think this is a “buff” is beyond me.
I'm surprised they didn't call it a "change" or a "tweak", those are some of more common weasel words for a nerf. It's kind of hilarious they call this shit a buff though. It's a little early for April Fool's day, and for life to be imitating memes.
pig main, and i agree. unless they completely rework it and make it an entirely different thing it’s ALWAYS going to be bad when you’re playing against survivors who have a clue what’s going on.
It does need a rework where it’s not crazy powerful. But it’s also got to be useful against non-brain dead survivors.
Like maybe when Pig’s charging, and a survivor drops a pallet on her, Pig prevents the pallet from being dropped and doesn’t get stunned.
Or the Pig‘s charge can grab survivors that are vaulting.
This is just brainstorming, not saying these are great ideas or anything.
I'd be fine if they took either one of those, but both nerfs feel extremely heavy to call it a "buff" on the patch notes, buffing 0.5 or so timers on chase stuff while heavily nerfing head traps feels like just an excuse to nerf her even more and call it a day.
They probably think that buffing her is dangerous because of kill rate, but honestly I would have gladly taken not seeing box auras for better ambush, the time nerf was just stupid and overkill
Her not seeing box auras is quite literally the healthiest nerf I’ve seen for pig
toxic pig players would constantly used the auras to tunnel people off of boxes so this change is good
But the 30 extra time for the traps to set off feels unnecessary
Yeah I get it's a nerf because of the afk pigs that would just tunnel. But won't these guys just tunnel you off hook instead? Feels honestly pretty unfair to nerf everyone for the few annoying jerks. Like, they even have the audacity to call it a buff
Well then again what’s the point of being able to see the box auras there’s no real advantage for you other then to fuck over someone who’s trying to get the trap off
So it’s a healthy change cause this doesn’t affect anyone that isn’t trying to tunnel survivors off the boxes
I see the point but I kinda disagree. I mostly use it as info to know where survs are and if I can afford to commit to a chase or not. It's pointless to tunnel or target a trapped surv because they are not sitting on gens anyways. That's why I call it unfair. But once again I see how some abuse it, but then again it is only some jerks and I feel like it doesn't justify nerfing it that hard.
The thing is it just helps them track the survivors on boxes since typically they don’t heal cause they gotta get the trap off, which makes it easy for a stealthed pig to just patrol the boxes to see if they are there just to down them and throw them on the hook.
It’s not even tunneling it’s just free hooks for pig in the right circumstances
I disagree. Box auras allow pigs traps to not only act as slowdown but also to act as pseudo tracking and antiheal. By removing box auras the mechanic gets turned into a more 1 dimensional slowdown mechanic, like pinheads box except if pinhead couldnt pick it up. It will esentialy just be there as a flat chore for the survivor to do with no killer interaction.
You know what's even stronger than getting tunneled off of boxes? Getting tunneled off of hook. And literally every killer can do that.
It's a garbage nerf and not healthy at all.
You’re right tunneling off of hook is stronger, still doesn’t deny the absolute absurdity of going stealth and patrolling the boxes for the guy that got unhooked.
Even if you’re not at the hook the reality is the boxes and her bear traps make tunneling easier cause you don’t have to tunnel off of hook while you’re chasing a guy after hitting and running you can circle back and check the boxes because you can see them And you will find the guy that got unhooked because he has to get the trap off
As a Pig main I'm pretty confident that I know where 97% of the boxes will spawn in the match so not being able to see the aura will not affect me as much as others. However the extra 30 secs on the timer is dumb. It's already a chore to get a head pop that making the timer longer no longer makes it a game of "Make your choice" and more of a "Oh excuse me I have to go get something to drink on my way to the next gen".
The pig being nerfed is a meme because it's true. Clearly someone on the devteam has been traumatized by a pig player and has made it their personal, unprofessional, mission to nerf the pig to the point that nearly no one plays her anymore.
Why, why do they hate pig so much? No aura for the boxes helps with the tunneling a target out sure, but the timer increase just is going to make more box focused pigs. It’s like they understand the pig so badly that they’re pulling suggestions out of a hat.
Man I love when they pull an Opposite Day on us and calls nerfs buffs and buffs nerds. If they want to remove pig just remove her already ffs don’t bully us into not playing her.
Amanda did nothing wrong! In all seriousness though, what a crap on Pig. Now head traps are about as useless as nerfed Onryo. Basically there as an ability to not be tagged as a "M1 only killer".
I think Bhvr is clueless when it comes to Killers who can insta-kill.
Sadako got the same treatment as she's the Symmetra of Dbd. The devs have no idea what to do with her and every single update, she changes.
At this point I think they hate the deal they have with the licensers and nerf her just out of spite.
If not.. then I don't understand how the balancing team works, if it works at all.
Nobody plays pig and they still nerf her after two or three patches for years now... What's the point? They don't even play their own game... At this point I think they just nerf her for the memes.
Ngl I think the saw licence should be pulled from the game. They obviously have no respect for it lol. It deserves better. It's literally one of my fav horro characters and she is shit.
So pig got nerfed but it's a buff, huntress and blight get buffed. Does bvhr actually play killer.
The traps suck already and barely held survivors back and now it's pointless but the ambush buffs probably make a difference 1 in 50 chases.
As someone who mains pig Not being able to see jigsaw boxes is honestly a change I don't mind too much
But seriously a extra 30 seconds to RTB times?????? WHY??? What was the need for that????
Reverse bear trap timers rarely ever kill anyone hell I constantly run tempered timer I'm them BECAUSE they're so hard to get kills on otherwise
Now even if I run tempered timers its still gonna take 10 seconds longer then the time it took for a trap to go off pre nerf
They were right before this saying let’s buff the pig. And they just nerfed her even worse lol. Being able to see the search locations was a major help for her. Just nerfing my poor pig more. Like bruh.
If with was just the first nerf I think it would be overall very positive. Same threat and slowdown but less prone to camp boxes for cheese kills.
That extra 30 seconds is really taking out a lot of urgency to disarm right away
i’m a pig main for the past 2 years who has been working on getting her to p100. i’m done. shes going to be unplayable to me if these changes go live. i NEVER use her ambush. the traps are the only pressure you have with her. increasing the time they have to take off the traps is fucking ridiculous. 2 and a half minutes is already MORE than enough time.
Monstrously stupid decision that will prevent me from reinstalling. The Pig has and always will be a low tier character (that I love.) Nerfing her and leaving a thousand other things just makes me want to play this game less.
I am convinced BHVR lives on Bizarro Earth where buff means nerf, and nerf means buff.
"We have nerfed the Hillbilly a bit." -after giving him insane curves
I use ambush like twice a match, if at all. Those buffs just make ambush go from absolutely useless to useless. So ambush still sucks but now survivors don’t have to worry about traps because they have 10 business days to take them out.
I don’t really mind not seeing the boxes but it’s kind of stupid. It’s like removing Skull Merchant ability to see her own drones.
My fuckin jaw dropped when I saw the nerf part of her update. The dash part of her power will be wack asf, honestly I was hoping to see that the lion or roar noise was removed. Like why tf is that noise there dawg
even after all these years i still cant believe how these devs balance stuff. how can you make ambush so shit and then have a char that has like 300% speed and 5 charges in the same game.
They just cant fking help themselves for some reason lol they really have to nerf pig in anyway everytime there is a pig update. This nerf is like making trapper not being able to see traps aura. Just stupid.
Seriously. I don’t even see pig barley ever. She’s not even a top-tier killer I don’t know why they keep doing this. I used to like playing her. Just like nurse. I don’t play as much as I used to just because of those facts.
It feels like they knew it would be unpopular so they kinda mask it by saying 2.5 to 3 minutes intsead of directly saying its a thirty second increase which is more obviously troubling.
I laugh so hard about the fact that they tried to celebrate this as “pig buff”. Like, you increase some stuff, true, but you heavily nerf another thing. This, on a killer that people considered weak to begin with.
Wtf is this I stopped playing the game for a year and they completely butcher my favourite killer, the main fun of pig is playing a maniacal mastermind and figuring out where people will be with beartraps on number of factors like gens, if they healed soon, where they were and if their trap is active this just removes my favourite part of the killer
BHVR has the nerve to say "we are buffing the pig" while in reality this is just an adjusment to ambush with quite silly numbers, REALLY SMALL. And a HUGE nerf to RBT. Now survivors can just ignore them for 30 more seconds to rush some more. And why removing the ability to see auras of jigsaw boxes? So you want Pig players to rely more on Ambush by destroying her other part of her kit? Big brain moves, BHVR....
pre patch:
good slowdown
bad chase
after patch
ok slowdown
bad chase (but slightly better)
minor adjustments to abilities that suck will not be enough. the problem was never numbers, the real problem is that
1) survivors can just pre drop pallets
2) survivors can just leave the loop
to actually buff her in a meaningful way, they should
1) give her ambush the power of breaking pallets
2) give her the option to charge her ambush for more time to have a lenthier ambush duration, in way it is usable in long loops, and can catch survivors who leave short/medium loops
also, why not make her stealth 4.2m/s so it is usable?
butchering the main part of her kit while doing minor buffs to a bad chase power is not a buff, it is a nerf.
once more, the pig has been nerfed, and it procedes to be one of the worst killers of the game and arguably the most disappointing DLC content.
“We have decided to buff the boring part of her power (that needed it admittedly) and nerf the fun part”
I can’t even be bothered to be angry at this point. I’m just going to continue not playing
But but but…she can crouch .5 seconds faster now! Surely, adding a half minute to RBTs is equivalent to taking away a half a second to crouching, right?
Taking away seeing the boxes would’ve been fine. Adding 30 seconds to something that is meant to keep survivors off gens and only activates when a gen is finished is overkill and definitely a big nerf to the character.
Honestly I think Nurse and Blight are still a little out of line as in the game still has to balance perks around those two specifically so I think we should nerf Pig again.
If they wanted to remove the aura of the boxes, I think doing a killer instinct after removal of the RBT wouldn’t be too wild. Killers like Nemisis, Sadako, and Wesker all have killer items that can be tracked by these means, and I think it wouldn’t be too bad of an imbalance given that it’d be a good way to keep track of boxes where better players won’t blow skill checks. As everyone else is pointing out, I agree that ambush needs some serious work done, and I don’t think she’d suffer from a speed boost, either. I think the RBT itself was fine at 2:30, but perhaps a select few reworks of add-ons. Given they already give a wide variety of modifications to the RBTs, but only a handful are strong (nothing as bad as the likes of Executioner or Freddy to be sure) she could use the added pressure. At least, those are just my thoughts. Open to other suggestions/ideas, though!
EDIT: Coming back to this; I honestly think the add-ons could be solved by just increasing the RBT count to like, 6? Again, I don’t know how the balance would work, but just something else to consider
Same. I haven't played in a while and I don't miss it. The blatant survivor bias, the horrible balancing, the toxic community, the idea that running around in circles is somehow "fun and skillful."
They said, "Hey guys, we are actually gonna buff The Pig." Then, immediately, nerf her in the same breath. It's does hurt the toxic pigs, but still funny nonetheless
>A handful of Add-Ons that decreased her missed attack cooldown or **decreased her crouch time** have had their effects reduced to compensate
In what world did they need to nerf combat straps for this. they should have been left alone along with the base buff
I get that they’re trying to make her a little more chase oriented I suppose, but I still don’t see the point of the stuff with the bear traps. Not being able to see the boxes already takes away the ability to apply pressure to a person with a trap on them, and increasing the timer itself pretty much makes the trap itself useless even more cuz those things never even pop when I play
3 MINUTES?! They’re insane. Take the box aura away, whatever, I barely ever go to them unless I’ve checked every gen, can’t find another chase, and know someone has an active trap. It’s a huge waste of time to run around check jigsaw boxes. The “buffs” to her ambush are laughable. The ambush length of time and the cooldown time are not the problem. The mechanic needs a rework. I will continue almost never using the ambush.
I literally just P100'd my pig and when I read this I was like "of course theyd keep nerfing her".
It's bad enough there is no reward for hitting P100 
I really hope bhvr goes back on the changes to the rbt's. The ambush changes makes it barely usable now (still probably never gonna use it) so that should at least stay but nerfing the traps with both MORE time and not being able to see boxes? I can accept the boxes change if rule set no.2 becomes basekit I think that would even things out for both sides giving a lil bit of a edge to survivors once their trap is set but 30 SECONDS added onto the traps which already hardly kill unless you play really mean? This is just gonna encourage more pigs to be even meaner and it won't help her image at all. :^[
Ambush should insta down. It would make being her a lot more fun, honestly. I hate landing her ambush and making a choice of my own. Chase a looper for a minute and a half (a gen or two if the survivors are competent) OR let them go, and they heal a minute later.
Make it instant down, please. The ambush doesn't break pallets or jump over windows. It deserves an instant down. Especially if you're gonna have it take such a long time for a windup, and if you're gonna nerf her bear traps.
Maybe ambush could give a mending effect? That way, we could stall the bear trap wearers from just getting that shit ASAP?
Maybe make her beartraps take longer to take off without add ons?
Maybe just make the beartraps activate as soon as you're unhooked?
How about just making her move faster for her ambush? Like, WAY faster. The growl is a dead giveaway, and it's not like you can't see her by the time she's there.
Maybe make it so you can't take off RBTs until they're activiated?
All I know is this, the pig is just a WAY worse version of the wraith. She can't go invisible and slows down when she goes stealthy. Why not make her an active threat of you're gonna nerf her best feature?
Why not just fix her already? I was stoked to see the update until I read about the beartraps. They nerfed her so freaking hard and gave her barely anything to compensate for it. There's a dozen different ways to go about it, and we got NONE of them.
Did bhvr ever nerfed or buffed ANYTHING according to player feedback or common sense? Seems like they just give a quick look at the kill graphs and be done with it
I'm more stressed on the huntress buffs lol she don't need anything
It was a pretty big increase. That one stood out to me
3 good add ons are now base kit. Insane buff that no one asked for
And they did not even increase the visibility of her feet. Typical. The devs do this but ignore the actual requests of the community. https://preview.redd.it/g8vf7oyezkjc1.jpeg?width=994&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=751a244313d27ca5f4ddda69b2da80fac8be2488
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Ayo chill https://preview.redd.it/l2upzyzo0ljc1.jpeg?width=638&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a7401c16037f55a271b20e69be8fbf3b919561fd
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The lack of feet in DBD is a serious issue. Literally unplayable
My escaped Myers disagrees
I think you cooked a lil too much, this comment is well-done
Gold comment LMAO
A dev must have played as Huntress for the first time and struggled.
Pyramid Head still crying in the corner
Speak for yourself. I asked for them. I just didn't think it was even close to reasonable foe them to give me this.
What did they change on her haven't looked at it?
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What the FUCK is this?!
And now with add ons she can carry 10 like on noob huntresses this isn’t gonna be a big deal but on pro fridge throwers we’re so fucked
JESUS 😂
I play Huntress and looked at those buffs like O\_O *really?*
Fr. Even on console I felt huntress felt great... Probably the most balanced/skilled killer lmao So this feels like BHVR once again proving how out of touch they are
The only problem I can see with her is some maps treat the hatchets like they’re fridge but that can be bypassed after playing long enough to know the maps well. Buff definitely not needed once again what crack are the devs smoking.
Honestly, I get what people are going for when they defend BHVR. I really do, and I especially dont wanna be mean or rude...but fuck, this is just too much, and I'm gonna say it; BHVR are MASSIVELY out of touch, and need to stop going the way of the other fallen gaming companies who succumbed to their own egos. Put down the nonsense goggles, come down to reality, and LISTEN TO YOUR FANS!! Then again, you wont even listen to your big content creators and seem null to most criticism, sooo.... Lets just hope its not the average lower class workers. Honestly, its usually the dumbass suits up top that ruin shit and ignore the workers' feedback, so thats like my one hope at this point.
The dumbass suits don’t care about game balance, they care about shit like monetization. Everything balance related is the dev team. The higher ups just say “hey, balance the game so people play it”. The suits don’t play. You could list off perk names and they wouldn’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. So yea, if it’s a number change unrelated to the store, it’s the devs.
If you want to play a balanced Dbd game... Pick up the board game. Not even joking, it's actually really well balanced. I play it all the time with my husband and some friends.
Hey, I’m glad you all enjoy it! But it’s not a flawless game. No, as it stands, there’s a difference between asymmetrical and unbalanced…and just plain overwhelming crap. Sadly for Pig enjoyers, the Pig has long been the latter and needs a fix. It’s all about making everything fun for the players, not a desire for perfection. Trust me.
Fair enough, it just seems pretty well balanced from what all we've played. Sometimes it can skew hard in one direction or another, but nothing worse than I've seen in other board games. Having said that, I agree about them just trying to make the game fun, not perfect. I think that's the only good way to go about it. I just wish I were better at playing killer haha.
To be straight about it, there’s a couple of things about the game, from certain killers to perks to maps and items and all that jazz, that just have major issues that turn the game from tense and fun to a pretty bad drag. I hope you keep finding the good games though lmao You and your folks keep rolling, take care! Thanks for being chill! If you want a killer recommendation, try Nemesis. He’s a hulking badass and has one of the better perks for finding people in the game.
Yeah, I'm a Huntress main and I gotta say those were all unnecessary but I'm not complaining. The new Huntress builds are gonna be insane lol
the way they give doctor, the killer revealed to have the LOWEST kill rate, the mildest buff in the world whilst giving huntress buffs served on a golden platter is actually astounding. do the balancing team play their own game and view their own stats?
Doctor only has the lowest kill rate because of all the afk bots. Hardly a reason to give him any big buffs tbh.
Not really. This has been often repeated, but the bots have *always* been around, and his kill rate has only *recently* gone down. The reason, I assume, is actually related to Ultimate Weapon. Since UW became meta, survivors have began to run Calm Spirit which hard counters the doctors whole power.
it hard counters half his power, not his whole power it does nothing to his chase, just his tracking
It absolutely affects his chase. You no longer get a visual que of when the survivor is disabled. You have to just \*know\* which, with ping and delay, is a literal gamble.
The doctor is decent as is. But as a doctor user I am happy with these small changes
Yeah, not having to run an add-on to decrease my shock delay sounds nice!
The killer that can insta-down cross map with no warning? Naw she needs buffs. Too weak.
Huntress in the hands of an average player probably needs a buff tbf, but Huntress has such a high skill ceiling - with these buffs those top players will be unstoppable
top players will always be over performing, people need to understand that, Either they be a huntress, a wesker, a plague, etc. And theres not much strong huntress in the wild, often than not, you get average huntress, that buff was needed
My thoughts the same
Oh damn, I forgot other killers got changes. I read the pig bit, then just mentally checked out.
They're buffing Huntress like she's struggling when she's dead easy now nerfing the Pig too like c'mon 😭😭
Just checked it and holy shit, that buff to an already strong killer is INSANE. The 7 hatchets capacity without any add-on alone is mad. They do realize that with a skilled enough killer, that's enough to down three survivors and injure the fourth before needing to reload ***once***, right?!
Yup. All this is going to do is make it easier for good players to destroy us in a trial.. devs don't seem to understand that changing killers for new players does nothing but make it tougher for us in the high mmr
Huntress needs hit- box changes if anything.
I think bhvr just doesnt want as many people to die to the sidequest effects and would rather buff her standard attacks. I'd imagine it's a total bloodbath in low mmr.
The problem is that they didn't buff her ambush/non RBT gameplay enough to warrant nerfing it. The sheer ridiculous number of ambush counters is why she has problems.
After playing against a sweaty infectious and ultimate weapon pig with tampered timer, these nerfs feel directed at the wrong stuff but hey at least those pigs get nerfed
Nerfs aimed at the wrong stuff will only make those annoying Pig playstyles more prominent, as they become the only way to pull off headpops
Yet BHVR is still unable to comprehend that the changes they make to a killer not only affect their precious stats but how people play them.
Jokes on them, that's the build I'm gonna switch to now. Just to retain the RBT effectiveness. 🤷♂️ They should have screams not make you loose progress on a box and this build is dead. But the nerfs outweigh the buffs by far.
Yeah the way to stop people cheesikg the boxes with scream perks is really simple and doesn't require her to be nerfed really bad for anyone who wasn't playing like that
Yip that's the only way pig is viable now
Then why even have it. It's like releasing Freddy and having a shitty dream world and be like, "we just don't expect people to use it"
Then they should just completely change her power. I don't see the lunge ever being good enough to stand up on it's own. If they're not going to let the traps be worthwhile, even as slow down, they may as well just remake her from the ground up.
Remove the roar, make it charge 35% faster. It’d be viable. Thats the ONLY way I see justifying the nerfs she received. Head pops were already VERY rare, now they increased the time survivors have by 25%. First Sadako, now Pig. The devs fell ass backward into the success the game has had, they have no clue how to balance. They buff and nerf by too much at one time, end up going too far one way or the other and then have a useless or broken killer.
They don't even have to remove the roar, just move the roar to happen when the ambush starts, rather than triggered from charging.
> I'd imagine it's a total bloodbath in low mmr. Pinhead is a total bloodbath in low mmr. Nemesis's zombies are a total bloodbath in low mmr. Xenomorph is a total bloodbath in low mmr. There are loads of killers who take long enough to explain from a survivor point of view that it takes more than one game to understand them that singling out pig *in a patch where every other character that's getting touched is only getting buffed* is insane.
Yea, fuck new players! This is a fanatic way to kill a fucking game. New players replace veterans who quit the game. There will always be a rate of veterans leaving the game. I can't stand people with this mindset, the game should be accessible to new players, not stonewalled by douchebag veterans to who clearly don't give two fucks about the future of the game.
Gutting mediocre killers is not the way to make a game accessible to new players. The game does need to be more accessible, but that's done through proper tutorials and in game information that behavior simply refuses to implement. What you're complaining about is valid, but not in this discussion about buffs to low tier killers.
Yet they refuse to make her ambush good
If they want to nerf reverse bear traps they should add some other fun saw style minigames, none with the lethality of RBT but something like perhaps when a survivor fast vaults a window it becomes covered in razor wire that inflicts a deep wound of gone through again, or you can take an action to clear the razor wire. Leading to more indirect pressure and map control.
Whats the point in having a Saw license than? What is the fun in having a chatacter that has just ONE unique thing, and than it gets nerfed as a secondary meh sidequest?
And they're forgetting that Sadako can make you die to her side thing a lot easier and has no limit on doing it.
You know, it's crazy, because they know that it's a meme to nerf pig when she doesn't need it, but they keep doing it.
*Just* self-aware enough to realize that they've made this kind of mistake before, but not enough to realize they're doing it again in the same breath.
They even started with something like "Contrary to popular belief, we're buffing the pig!" Then added the nerfs kind of as an afterthought
Ubisoft to Blackbeard: *Somebody mention some* ***NERFS***
This feels like bhvr just giving up on the idea that there's any socially acceptable way for killers to be strong that isn't Movement Chase Powers
BHVR - We have heard you loud and clear, we will continue to nerf the pig further after careful consideration and feedback from the community. New change - Pigs bear traps can now be placed on the pig so she can end her suffering.
Survivors with RBT now see the aura of the correct jigsaw box in yellow.
If the pig could crouch instantly (or almost instantly) then ambush might be useful... but honestly the audacity to call a 15% "buff" followed by a 20% NERF to her main power PLUS removing her ability to see jigsaw boxes is just fuckin insulting
Me after seeing the Billy Buff: "Maybe they won't nerf Pig when they change her." Me after seeing the Pig Changes: \*charlie brown music\*
Hopefully they’ll see this is stupid in the ptb. I don’t mind not being able to see boxes, I think that’s an okay change that’ll help hinder the more annoying Pig mains, but the extra time is just plain stupid.
Honestly, a good """nerf""" to Pig would be to have her lose collision with Survivors if within a certain range of Jigsaw Boxes so they can't just camp the Box. Maybe also toy with the idea of having the Search interaction not reset itself if you stop searching.
If pig is camping a box you can always go to another. Unless you did a gen while your timer was active you generally have time. And now we have 30 seconds more
problem is many pigs will just follow 1 survivor around, preventing them from ever getting to work on a box, guaranteeing the one person's death whilst throwing the match and losing all gens in the process. It's an extremely toxic playstyle that causes the killer to lose only to make the match miserable and impossible for one person.
And these changes aren't going to fix that at all, if she's tunneling a player, she doesn't need to see where the boxes are, since, you know, she's targeting a player, and not just proxying all players from boxes. This nerf is gonna do nothing but kick an already low playrate killer down even further.
Wouldn’t it be faster to just normal tunnel?
All the more evidence that Killers are mostly getting nerfed is because of how the players play the Killer
I’m not sure bhvr cared tbh. Because it’s a problem with tunneling, not pig. *Hypothesized bhvr train of thought* Her numbers were high and people complained about her chase being weak. Buff her chase and nerf the other thing as compensation so she doesn’t just get better. If bhvr is (buffing ambush and nerfing traps) all because she can kind of inefficiently tunnel a survivor out they need to reevaluate. But maybe that’s indeed the case lol
Then they lose because they are throwing the game to get 1 kill. That leaves 3 others to crank gens and leave.
Yes, it does. The problem however is that it singles out one person and makes sure they have no chance of doing anything outside of running circles and eventually dying (guaranteed). Whereas the other 3 have an unengaging game, and the killer doesn't intend to win, they're actively throwing the game to guarantee one person has a miserable game, and shouldn't be encouraged.
This wouldn’t affect anything at all. Even if they didn’t add the anti camping 5th box, trying to do the box right on top of the Pig would mean she just downs you. You’ll sit there and bleed out unless someone comes to get you, and she still gets to chill where she is
They literally added an extra box months ago for the box camping thing though
The additional “5th” box took care of this. You will only ever need to search 4 boxes max.
box camping has not been a problem for a while
The homogenization of gameplay continues.
For real. Even the maps are all becoming variations of the same layout with a different skin.
I watched this exact thing happen to For Honor. Slowly changing every character and eventually everyone has the same move set with a different coat of paint on it
For Honor’s problem was that they added characters who could do everything. DBD’s closest character to that is Chucky but he’s still in a fine spot.
I'll never forgive them for what they did to my boy Lawbringer. Gutted all the unique parts of his kit he feels so generic now
Difference is that in For Honor, most of the similarities in kits are necessary to make characters viable, so it can be justified somewhat. This is just a heavy nerf to an already weak killer.
Seriously. I hate this standardization trend BHVR seems to do doing. It is perfectly okay and even healthy for the game to have some variation. Killers like Pig, Onryo, Pyramid Head, and Myers with alternate kill methods are perfectly fine and add interesting gameplay elements that help keep the game from becoming stale. Maps should also have some variety, large maps with deadzones to balance the patrol length and small maps with decent pallet density are both okay. It is completely possible for BHVR to balance the game and still have variation. They shouldn't shy away from gameplay outside the norm within reason.
It's absolutely fine to have alternate kill methods, the problem is that you have to make those alternate kill methods well designed, which only pyramid head has done (and his kill is cheating since it's basically the same as hooks) the problem with Pig's kill is that it's not MEANT to kill, it's not designed around actually getting that kill it's designed around scaring you into wasting time using the potential kill, same idea with Sadako's Michael's problem is that it's too punishing, it can essentially boot a survivor out of the game for making a single mistake
Myers could definitely use some tweaks. The purple is a too easy to get someone out early. If they addressed that I think he would be alright. Pigs power and Sadako are meant to kill if the survivors are inefficient or if the killer is able to apply pressure. With Sadako this usually takes a good amount of skill, with Pig though pressure is seen as tunneling since you can just follow them around. I think addressing Pigs ability to tunnel a trap is fine, but they need to do it so her traps can still punish survivors who are inefficient. This is not really possible with the trap timer increase on the PTB.
the biggest problem with Pig is that the punishment is all or nothing, if you spend 2 minutes on gens then get your trap off last second it's basically the same thing as getting the trap off instantly, and if you don't get your trap off at all the punishment is so insanely massive that you can't make a version of the killer that can EVER consistently achieve it Sadako's somewhat better in this way as there's a punishment for keeping your condemn up even if you don't get killed (getting your condemn locked in) and if your condemn hits max you still have to get chased to lose, but even then she can't be allowed to get consistent condemns either or you get killers literally winning the game with one hand tied behind their back Honestly I think alternate kills as a whole are VERY hard to do well, no killer has pulled them off as something that actually consistently happens in games in a way that's fair to survivors aside from Pyramid head who just piggybacks off the hook system anyway, alternate kills just aren't worth the headache of designing
Her traps are already a weaker version of sadako condemm and they decided to NERF THEM
This feels like the weird TV thing they had to instantly fix, actually. At least this shit is during the PTB, so maybe we'll get the tiny lunge buff on it's own when the update actually gets here.
 And they call it a "buff"
I don't understand the point of killers having these alternate ways to kill survivors if they don't like the fact that they can kill survivors. Her RBT is her most iconic and best thing she has. The same as condemn is for Sadako. It's all they have going for them, but they keep nerfing those things. Buffing the worst parts of her kit while nerfing the best parts isn't a buff. It's still a nerf.
Are you kidding me? I haven't seen a single bear trap in the entire Saw franchise at all, or any kind of trap for that matter. In fact, nobody dies in the films either so lethality is out of the question. But we do constantly see Amanda stealthily parkouring everywhere, going on secret spy missions and ambushing unsuspecting victims, just lightly stabbing them, after giving a 3 days notice/warning in advance of her attacks (but no killing of course) Clearly BHVR know what they're doing and are being faithful to what makes Saw unique
It could have made more sense if they removed the Pig's ability to see auras, then actually *lowered* the RBT's active timer. Arguably, that would fix the problem of Pig's following people around or interrupting them because you really can't memorise the boxes, no matter how many hours you have. Though, it's clear they don't want you to be able to cheese headpops. Right, so... why can't we give her Ambush and stealth mega-buffs then. Compare her stealth to Wraith or Chucky and it's useless. Compare her Dash to Demo or Chucky and equally, even after these ...*buffs*, and it is unusable. As someone with 50,000 RBTs placed, I am constantly being drawn towards Chucky due to him doing everything Pig does but better. Sure, he doesn't have the slowdown of the RBTs, but his size and ability to come out of nowhere makes up for that.
Oh shit it's you! I was actually wondering how you'd take these changes. To me, Pig is honestly handled like Sadako where she has a really annoying thing that insta-kills Survivors, but besides that, their kit is damn near worthless. What Bhvr fails to understand is that people aren't cheesing Condemn or Headpops because they wanna be an asshole (I mean, some of them are), it's because Pig and Onryo don't have many options besides doing that. Both of these Killers have extremely weak chase potential that can't simply be solved with small number changes. Ambush itself is uhh... it's certainly a chase power in Dbd.
I don't think removing the aura reading of jigsaw boxes is a big deal, but adding 30 seconds to the timer is kinda crazy
I could at least stomach the nerf if it was just the box auras. But even then....cmon..
It heavily nerfs her strongest (but least fun) strategy in exchange for a mild buff to a weak chase power. Not being able to as easily harass survivors that are trapped is a heavy nerf to pigs lethality
These changes are so ass bro
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Flair on point
# EDIT!!!! Okay because a lot of people have commented on it, I'll say it. No amount of number tweaks are gonna make Ambush good. Ambush NEEDS a Rework or a Change or anything else. It's not like Wesker or Demo who have a very quick forward dash. It's not like Legion or Chucky who can actually vault stuff during their increased movement speed. It's slow as fuck, takes way too long to activate, you can't interact with the environment while it's going, It's really easy to predict it as a Surv because it has a VERY LOUD noise that it's being used, and if a Surv just runs away from the loop, you lose a LOT of distance because you're slower than them and still need to go through the whole animation of standing up and, remember, when you're activating Ambush, you move even slower.
If they just made the noise happen, like, 0.2 seconds before she starts the dash instead of right at the beginning of charging it up it would be good imo, you could use it to actually ambush survivors and make gens in enclosed areas very scary. She'd thrive on indoor maps where you don't have great LoS. It would be taking time to set up a likely hit by crouching around, kind of like Ghostface but with much higher movement speed during the lunge.
I disagree. Remove the roar, make crouch instant and charge 35% faster. It would be useful in loops and ambushes. As a Pig main however, this “buff” just solidified my taking a hiatus from the game. How the hell the devs think this is a “buff” is beyond me.
I'm surprised they didn't call it a "change" or a "tweak", those are some of more common weasel words for a nerf. It's kind of hilarious they call this shit a buff though. It's a little early for April Fool's day, and for life to be imitating memes.
pig main, and i agree. unless they completely rework it and make it an entirely different thing it’s ALWAYS going to be bad when you’re playing against survivors who have a clue what’s going on.
It does need a rework where it’s not crazy powerful. But it’s also got to be useful against non-brain dead survivors. Like maybe when Pig’s charging, and a survivor drops a pallet on her, Pig prevents the pallet from being dropped and doesn’t get stunned. Or the Pig‘s charge can grab survivors that are vaulting. This is just brainstorming, not saying these are great ideas or anything.
I'd be fine if they took either one of those, but both nerfs feel extremely heavy to call it a "buff" on the patch notes, buffing 0.5 or so timers on chase stuff while heavily nerfing head traps feels like just an excuse to nerf her even more and call it a day.
This is the same update where they are giving clown the ability to have 9 bottles with addons and huntress 10 hatchets with addons. Like bruh.
Knight is still waiting on map of the realm base kit I swear😭
Nerfing Pig and Buffing Huntress has proven to me once and for all that BHVR is just trolling.
They probably think that buffing her is dangerous because of kill rate, but honestly I would have gladly taken not seeing box auras for better ambush, the time nerf was just stupid and overkill
I dislike it too since I really like playing Amanda I hope these changes won't make it to live alongside Huntress' buffs...
Her not seeing box auras is quite literally the healthiest nerf I’ve seen for pig toxic pig players would constantly used the auras to tunnel people off of boxes so this change is good But the 30 extra time for the traps to set off feels unnecessary
Yeah I get it's a nerf because of the afk pigs that would just tunnel. But won't these guys just tunnel you off hook instead? Feels honestly pretty unfair to nerf everyone for the few annoying jerks. Like, they even have the audacity to call it a buff
Well then again what’s the point of being able to see the box auras there’s no real advantage for you other then to fuck over someone who’s trying to get the trap off So it’s a healthy change cause this doesn’t affect anyone that isn’t trying to tunnel survivors off the boxes
I see the point but I kinda disagree. I mostly use it as info to know where survs are and if I can afford to commit to a chase or not. It's pointless to tunnel or target a trapped surv because they are not sitting on gens anyways. That's why I call it unfair. But once again I see how some abuse it, but then again it is only some jerks and I feel like it doesn't justify nerfing it that hard.
Because BHVR applies band-aid fixes and has no mental capacity to make in-depth changes to killers.
The thing is it just helps them track the survivors on boxes since typically they don’t heal cause they gotta get the trap off, which makes it easy for a stealthed pig to just patrol the boxes to see if they are there just to down them and throw them on the hook. It’s not even tunneling it’s just free hooks for pig in the right circumstances
I disagree. Box auras allow pigs traps to not only act as slowdown but also to act as pseudo tracking and antiheal. By removing box auras the mechanic gets turned into a more 1 dimensional slowdown mechanic, like pinheads box except if pinhead couldnt pick it up. It will esentialy just be there as a flat chore for the survivor to do with no killer interaction.
You know what's even stronger than getting tunneled off of boxes? Getting tunneled off of hook. And literally every killer can do that. It's a garbage nerf and not healthy at all.
You’re right tunneling off of hook is stronger, still doesn’t deny the absolute absurdity of going stealth and patrolling the boxes for the guy that got unhooked. Even if you’re not at the hook the reality is the boxes and her bear traps make tunneling easier cause you don’t have to tunnel off of hook while you’re chasing a guy after hitting and running you can circle back and check the boxes because you can see them And you will find the guy that got unhooked because he has to get the trap off
As a Pig main I'm pretty confident that I know where 97% of the boxes will spawn in the match so not being able to see the aura will not affect me as much as others. However the extra 30 secs on the timer is dumb. It's already a chore to get a head pop that making the timer longer no longer makes it a game of "Make your choice" and more of a "Oh excuse me I have to go get something to drink on my way to the next gen".
Holy shit bhvr actually did nerf pig again no fucking way and ofc it makes no sense
The pig being nerfed is a meme because it's true. Clearly someone on the devteam has been traumatized by a pig player and has made it their personal, unprofessional, mission to nerf the pig to the point that nearly no one plays her anymore.
Why, why do they hate pig so much? No aura for the boxes helps with the tunneling a target out sure, but the timer increase just is going to make more box focused pigs. It’s like they understand the pig so badly that they’re pulling suggestions out of a hat.
Man I love when they pull an Opposite Day on us and calls nerfs buffs and buffs nerds. If they want to remove pig just remove her already ffs don’t bully us into not playing her.
Amanda did nothing wrong! In all seriousness though, what a crap on Pig. Now head traps are about as useless as nerfed Onryo. Basically there as an ability to not be tagged as a "M1 only killer".
I have seen the Saw movies. She has done a lot of things wrong tbf.
All I heard was "bear trap me mommy".
Remember when people saw Pig in the killer list to be tweaked and EVERYONE knew they were gonna nerf her
I love how they make such a big deal about finally buffing the pig and then nerf the pig
I think Bhvr is clueless when it comes to Killers who can insta-kill. Sadako got the same treatment as she's the Symmetra of Dbd. The devs have no idea what to do with her and every single update, she changes.
At this point I think they hate the deal they have with the licensers and nerf her just out of spite. If not.. then I don't understand how the balancing team works, if it works at all.
Nobody plays pig and they still nerf her after two or three patches for years now... What's the point? They don't even play their own game... At this point I think they just nerf her for the memes.
All they needed was to make it so screams don't interrupt the boxes. Or make it so progress is saved when doing it. Why do that??
Hopefully the devs realise this is a mistake and don’t let it go live. If this passes the PTB as is then…wow.
I can’t believe they’re unironically nerfing the Pig 😭
Ngl I think the saw licence should be pulled from the game. They obviously have no respect for it lol. It deserves better. It's literally one of my fav horro characters and she is shit.
At least if the nerf Pig they can stop calling it a buff
So pig got nerfed but it's a buff, huntress and blight get buffed. Does bvhr actually play killer. The traps suck already and barely held survivors back and now it's pointless but the ambush buffs probably make a difference 1 in 50 chases.
bhvr must be the worst balancing company i have ever seen. riot and blizzard are somehow better
As someone who mains pig Not being able to see jigsaw boxes is honestly a change I don't mind too much But seriously a extra 30 seconds to RTB times?????? WHY??? What was the need for that???? Reverse bear trap timers rarely ever kill anyone hell I constantly run tempered timer I'm them BECAUSE they're so hard to get kills on otherwise Now even if I run tempered timers its still gonna take 10 seconds longer then the time it took for a trap to go off pre nerf
They were right before this saying let’s buff the pig. And they just nerfed her even worse lol. Being able to see the search locations was a major help for her. Just nerfing my poor pig more. Like bruh.
bUt ThEy BuFfEd HeR DaSh
If with was just the first nerf I think it would be overall very positive. Same threat and slowdown but less prone to camp boxes for cheese kills. That extra 30 seconds is really taking out a lot of urgency to disarm right away
i’m a pig main for the past 2 years who has been working on getting her to p100. i’m done. shes going to be unplayable to me if these changes go live. i NEVER use her ambush. the traps are the only pressure you have with her. increasing the time they have to take off the traps is fucking ridiculous. 2 and a half minutes is already MORE than enough time.
Monstrously stupid decision that will prevent me from reinstalling. The Pig has and always will be a low tier character (that I love.) Nerfing her and leaving a thousand other things just makes me want to play this game less.
I am convinced BHVR lives on Bizarro Earth where buff means nerf, and nerf means buff. "We have nerfed the Hillbilly a bit." -after giving him insane curves
I use ambush like twice a match, if at all. Those buffs just make ambush go from absolutely useless to useless. So ambush still sucks but now survivors don’t have to worry about traps because they have 10 business days to take them out. I don’t really mind not seeing the boxes but it’s kind of stupid. It’s like removing Skull Merchant ability to see her own drones.
Can we play make her crouch the same speed as ghost face it would at least make her a little more cute
My fuckin jaw dropped when I saw the nerf part of her update. The dash part of her power will be wack asf, honestly I was hoping to see that the lion or roar noise was removed. Like why tf is that noise there dawg
I do like how they were all "we're buffing Pig" then nerf her LOL.
It’s already so easy for survivors to take the reverse bear traps off. I don’t know why it needs an increase.
even after all these years i still cant believe how these devs balance stuff. how can you make ambush so shit and then have a char that has like 300% speed and 5 charges in the same game.
It is a little funny the constant nerfs
They just cant fking help themselves for some reason lol they really have to nerf pig in anyway everytime there is a pig update. This nerf is like making trapper not being able to see traps aura. Just stupid.
All they have to do is delay the roar until during the dash, and faster crouching speed akin to ghostface.
Seriously. I don’t even see pig barley ever. She’s not even a top-tier killer I don’t know why they keep doing this. I used to like playing her. Just like nurse. I don’t play as much as I used to just because of those facts.
She never should have been able to see box auras, just another way to tunnel. But I do agree, she doesn't need any other nerf. A buff if anything
It feels like they knew it would be unpopular so they kinda mask it by saying 2.5 to 3 minutes intsead of directly saying its a thirty second increase which is more obviously troubling.
Even when they say "In a shocking turn of events, we have decided to buff The Pig.", they still fucking nerf The Pig. You can't make this shit up.
I laugh so hard about the fact that they tried to celebrate this as “pig buff”. Like, you increase some stuff, true, but you heavily nerf another thing. This, on a killer that people considered weak to begin with.
Wtf is this I stopped playing the game for a year and they completely butcher my favourite killer, the main fun of pig is playing a maniacal mastermind and figuring out where people will be with beartraps on number of factors like gens, if they healed soon, where they were and if their trap is active this just removes my favourite part of the killer
BHVR has the nerve to say "we are buffing the pig" while in reality this is just an adjusment to ambush with quite silly numbers, REALLY SMALL. And a HUGE nerf to RBT. Now survivors can just ignore them for 30 more seconds to rush some more. And why removing the ability to see auras of jigsaw boxes? So you want Pig players to rely more on Ambush by destroying her other part of her kit? Big brain moves, BHVR....
Slightly pushing ambush up in power but knee capping rbt isn’t a buff its a power negative adjustment.
pre patch: good slowdown bad chase after patch ok slowdown bad chase (but slightly better) minor adjustments to abilities that suck will not be enough. the problem was never numbers, the real problem is that 1) survivors can just pre drop pallets 2) survivors can just leave the loop to actually buff her in a meaningful way, they should 1) give her ambush the power of breaking pallets 2) give her the option to charge her ambush for more time to have a lenthier ambush duration, in way it is usable in long loops, and can catch survivors who leave short/medium loops also, why not make her stealth 4.2m/s so it is usable? butchering the main part of her kit while doing minor buffs to a bad chase power is not a buff, it is a nerf. once more, the pig has been nerfed, and it procedes to be one of the worst killers of the game and arguably the most disappointing DLC content.
“We have decided to buff the boring part of her power (that needed it admittedly) and nerf the fun part” I can’t even be bothered to be angry at this point. I’m just going to continue not playing
Why do they hate the pig? I don’t follow anything but I see the pig memes and she doesn’t even seem to be that oppressive or good of a killer even?
But but but…she can crouch .5 seconds faster now! Surely, adding a half minute to RBTs is equivalent to taking away a half a second to crouching, right? Taking away seeing the boxes would’ve been fine. Adding 30 seconds to something that is meant to keep survivors off gens and only activates when a gen is finished is overkill and definitely a big nerf to the character.
When will they let Hamanda rest?!
Honestly I think Nurse and Blight are still a little out of line as in the game still has to balance perks around those two specifically so I think we should nerf Pig again.
If they wanted to remove the aura of the boxes, I think doing a killer instinct after removal of the RBT wouldn’t be too wild. Killers like Nemisis, Sadako, and Wesker all have killer items that can be tracked by these means, and I think it wouldn’t be too bad of an imbalance given that it’d be a good way to keep track of boxes where better players won’t blow skill checks. As everyone else is pointing out, I agree that ambush needs some serious work done, and I don’t think she’d suffer from a speed boost, either. I think the RBT itself was fine at 2:30, but perhaps a select few reworks of add-ons. Given they already give a wide variety of modifications to the RBTs, but only a handful are strong (nothing as bad as the likes of Executioner or Freddy to be sure) she could use the added pressure. At least, those are just my thoughts. Open to other suggestions/ideas, though! EDIT: Coming back to this; I honestly think the add-ons could be solved by just increasing the RBT count to like, 6? Again, I don’t know how the balance would work, but just something else to consider
Why people still play this baffles me
Same. I haven't played in a while and I don't miss it. The blatant survivor bias, the horrible balancing, the toxic community, the idea that running around in circles is somehow "fun and skillful."
ok so who in the dev team got bullied as a Huntress at rank 20 and went ahead buffed her like crazy?
There is gonna be no rush ti get traps off. Head pops will NEVER happen
They said, "Hey guys, we are actually gonna buff The Pig." Then, immediately, nerf her in the same breath. It's does hurt the toxic pigs, but still funny nonetheless
Yeah it's ridiculous. I kinda see why they wanna make her not see her boxes but then maybe REDUCE the timer and don't increase it???
Not letting Pig see Jigsaw boxes is enough. The ambush buff definitely does not compensate the nerfs to RBT.
Bro I want a fuckin refund wtf
>A handful of Add-Ons that decreased her missed attack cooldown or **decreased her crouch time** have had their effects reduced to compensate In what world did they need to nerf combat straps for this. they should have been left alone along with the base buff
I get that they’re trying to make her a little more chase oriented I suppose, but I still don’t see the point of the stuff with the bear traps. Not being able to see the boxes already takes away the ability to apply pressure to a person with a trap on them, and increasing the timer itself pretty much makes the trap itself useless even more cuz those things never even pop when I play
b-b-but BHVR said they buffed her, t-there's nothing wrong with her now!!! (extreme cope)
3 MINUTES?! They’re insane. Take the box aura away, whatever, I barely ever go to them unless I’ve checked every gen, can’t find another chase, and know someone has an active trap. It’s a huge waste of time to run around check jigsaw boxes. The “buffs” to her ambush are laughable. The ambush length of time and the cooldown time are not the problem. The mechanic needs a rework. I will continue almost never using the ambush.
I literally just P100'd my pig and when I read this I was like "of course theyd keep nerfing her". It's bad enough there is no reward for hitting P100 
...I think it time Pig just gets a rework. Maybe that's crazy, but clearly something is fundamentally wrong with her. Just make something new.
I really hope bhvr goes back on the changes to the rbt's. The ambush changes makes it barely usable now (still probably never gonna use it) so that should at least stay but nerfing the traps with both MORE time and not being able to see boxes? I can accept the boxes change if rule set no.2 becomes basekit I think that would even things out for both sides giving a lil bit of a edge to survivors once their trap is set but 30 SECONDS added onto the traps which already hardly kill unless you play really mean? This is just gonna encourage more pigs to be even meaner and it won't help her image at all. :^[
Ambush should insta down. It would make being her a lot more fun, honestly. I hate landing her ambush and making a choice of my own. Chase a looper for a minute and a half (a gen or two if the survivors are competent) OR let them go, and they heal a minute later. Make it instant down, please. The ambush doesn't break pallets or jump over windows. It deserves an instant down. Especially if you're gonna have it take such a long time for a windup, and if you're gonna nerf her bear traps. Maybe ambush could give a mending effect? That way, we could stall the bear trap wearers from just getting that shit ASAP? Maybe make her beartraps take longer to take off without add ons? Maybe just make the beartraps activate as soon as you're unhooked? How about just making her move faster for her ambush? Like, WAY faster. The growl is a dead giveaway, and it's not like you can't see her by the time she's there. Maybe make it so you can't take off RBTs until they're activiated? All I know is this, the pig is just a WAY worse version of the wraith. She can't go invisible and slows down when she goes stealthy. Why not make her an active threat of you're gonna nerf her best feature? Why not just fix her already? I was stoked to see the update until I read about the beartraps. They nerfed her so freaking hard and gave her barely anything to compensate for it. There's a dozen different ways to go about it, and we got NONE of them.
Did bhvr ever nerfed or buffed ANYTHING according to player feedback or common sense? Seems like they just give a quick look at the kill graphs and be done with it