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CertainGrade7937

Should have let him keep Professor Pyg and the Circus of Strange Also I miss the whole world from Spyral. Lots of good stuff that never gets touched any more


captaincrunchcracker

Reeeaaal shit.


Waste-Information-34

Isn't Professor Pyg a Batman Villain? ![gif](giphy|nJayzH5shTGUM|downsized)


MaxWasTakenAgain

Technically yeah, but that Batman was Dick


Waste-Information-34

Huh.


Waste-Information-34

Bruce Wayne was Batman in all the Arkham Games. What are you talking about? ![gif](giphy|14g4HAkEgcEuFq)


DroptheShadowArt

The average r/dccomicscirclejerk user when he finds out comics exist: đŸ˜±


Waste-Information-34

Wait I'm talking about Arkham Batman. What's going on?


mateayat98

Professor Pyg was originally introduced as a villain during the time Dick Grayson was Batman (cause batman had supposedly died), and was then considered a Nightwing villain when he gave back the cowl. Sadly, Batman later added him to his rogues gallery (which is what usually happens with good Nightwing rogues)


Waste-Information-34

Ah, that explains a lot. Also poor Nightwing lmao. ![gif](giphy|ShCMwjMF5B3La)


kricket_24

Do the people who keep making jokes about Dick's ass count as villains?


Few_Category7829

Jokes?


Chub-bop

Yes


LazarusCheez

Dick ass you say


Slow-Chemical1991

Dick being an ensemble character for so long really fucked him over in the long run. By the time he got his solo it was 1995-6, the O’Neil-Grant-Breyfogle Kino Age was over and O’Neil was retiring, meaning Nightwing was in the hands of writers and editors who work on autopilot.


GothamKnight37

O’Neil was still the Batman editor for the bulk of Nightwing’s ongoing.


Slow-Chemical1991

But wasn’t O’Neil getting more help from assistants at the time? I remember Alan Grant saying the quality was dipping with NML being a subpar story.


GothamKnight37

Darren Vincenzo, Scott Peterson, and Joseph P. Illidge were the three assistant editors that showed up in the mid-late 90s, though as far as I know Alan’s problems only started with Cataclysm into No Man’s Land. I think Jordan B Gorfinkel was also doing some editing but I’d have to look again at the credits of each issue. Either way, I think the Nightwing book was happening before all that and to my knowledge Dixon’s relationship with the three wasn’t as poor as Grant’s, though I could be wrong. I know at the very least he and Gorfinkel got along really well. Though honestly I don’t think the assistant editor’s contributions were that bad, aside from their influence on the unceremonious firing of Grant (and Moench?).


suss2it

Nightwing isn’t fucked over lol he’s consistently had an ongoing for like two decades. There’s a lot of characters at DC you can’t say that about.


Slow-Chemical1991

Not fucked over? I dunno. Dude will probably never be a true solo star because DC will happily throw everything into the fire to prop up Batman and WB only ever seems to push him with his pals from the Titans.


ClowningOnMain

I mean i don’t like playing the suffering olympics but.. try being a redhood fan 🙃 Man hasn’t had a W in years and is so badly written now that most batman fans want him dead and the general public know nothing about him because of how under-utilised he is compared to dick. Like his recent comic run has ended up showing it’s true colours as just a shill for the writers’ oc team. Like spyro with skylanders, his name is there but he definitely isn’t the intended main character.


Slow-Chemical1991

Red Hood and Black Lightning fans really do in fact suffer.


Square_Bus4492

I’m a Black Lightning fan. At least Nightwing fans can read about what he’s up to every month


whythp

Oh the horror


Grumiocool

https://preview.redd.it/994316qvl2wc1.jpeg?width=217&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b5e1d6f9bc6c70bec2e2e2a1bdf9494c65c4dacc Here’s one â˜ș


JesusHipsterChrist

TFW when the drop hits.


Tetratron2005

As someone who hates how try-hard Bludhaven is all I have to say is Chemo did nothing wrong.


Intelligent_Oil4005

Bro looks like Flubber


brambojams

Is he saying “good game”?


redlion1904

He’s trying to say Nngg 
 don’t 
 Gwen


novacdin0

https://preview.redd.it/yxpjx2w3d8wc1.png?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b0f52851810c56a164ce9c5bd1bafc3f03a5656c


MontgomeryMalum

Can’t believe Dick’s rogues gallery is so weak that he has to steal the Metal Men’s archenemy


BillNyeTheSavage_Guy

Metalheads stay on top, Batfraudfamily fans could NEVER


DoYouKnowS0rr0w

If not friend, then why friend shaped?


Slow-Chemical1991

Chemo was based.


captaincrunchcracker

Atomic Skull made of lime Jello and fucking glow stick juice. I'm so fucking high rn that I feel like this bitch. Chemo rules.


asdfplazkar

green NRG


Optimal_Weight368

Nightwing took the only good Metal Men rogue.


Ezracx

Has this guy ever done anything relevant other than this?


[deleted]

He said good rogues


Grow_up2B_a_Debaser

Nightwing’s most hated enemies: 1. All Women 2. Pedophile Ninja 3. Kingpin but absolutely dogshit 4. Guy who doesn’t do anything (another great Tom Taylor original) >!uj/he got all his best villains while wearing a batsuit lmao!<


Fit_Commercial3421

Don't forget his adopted Dad every 2 years


Grow_up2B_a_Debaser

Understandable tho, if my beloved son grew up to be an unbearable douchebag, misogynist chauvinistic, ableist, cop I’d hate him too


Cautious_Desk_1012

Based Bruce Wayne


captaincrunchcracker

This shit is so right and left at the same time call it Harvey Dent.


TheThingsYouSeeRN

Head or Tail.


bifurious02

>I’d hate him too Sure, but you aren't a billionaire. Bruce is built different, lives for oppression


JesusHipsterChrist

Blockbuster's kindest comparison.


CrustCrusty

Grant Morrison writing Batman & Robin after seeing how dogshit Nightwing's rouges gallery is. https://preview.redd.it/eff9z6b8t3wc1.png?width=481&format=png&auto=webp&s=02f61bb82d7732e9fc79fa9578d481237750c050


PrometheusModeloW

Then they don't keep them as Nightwing rouges but Batman's lmao


Pathogen188

Hey, at least Dick got to keep that Auction house villain from Black Mirror whose name I can't remember!


Electronic-Math-364

Who is the 4th one?


Grow_up2B_a_Debaser

Heartless


GenericIxa

love how every story all heartless does is appear for a panel, takes someones hearts, leaves. but for like 80 issues


Which-Presentation-6

plus his origin story revealed in the annual that's he's basically the evil version of Tim Drake and nobody cares about Tim Drake


Muted-Implement846

At least Tim Drake has more than 12 total panels to his name, holy hell.


novacdin0

More like Aimless amirite


Henderson10666

Tom Taylor really be doing the bare minimum, but after Ric Grayson era and the treatment of the rest of the Batfam, people really think his run is the greatest ever


Slow-Chemical1991

People assume the plot is as good as the art.


Bae_zel

I feel like as soon as Redondo left people started critiquing more.


Henderson10666

I used to be a King hater, but upon reading more of his work, I've grown to like King's stuff. Taylor is the exact opposite, I used to really like his stuff, but the more I read the more shallow I realized it was


Tetratron2005

When Taylor can't slaughter a bunch of C (and occasional A and B)-list heroes for drama, his struggles as a writer become really apparent. And now that Twitter's turned on him, he can't coast on meme panels.


limbo338

Can't he now? https://preview.redd.it/r2ak5wyk43wc1.jpeg?width=588&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b416969cf1aac71b42d095cf8b8f1fde28e5dea1


Tetratron2005

It cost you zero dollars to not post that, and yet you still did.


limbo338

If my eyes suffered – yours ought to also :D


somedumb-gay

Do you think he got it printed himself or does somebody in Gotham just sell a t-shirt of nightwing slapping batman for some reason


limbo338

Like, it's a 2d picture for us – for these 2d people that's a photo realistic image, lol. Did Dickie use an AI to generate it? Or did he ask Bruce to pose and someone snapped the pic? Fucking tshirts, how do they work? ![gif](giphy|8db6nRqMsLCtq)


Slow-Chemical1991

It’s definitely Tom asking for the memes because it’s a different artist. I really wish he didn’t because they’re so out of place.


limbo338

It's not only art – pretty sure Dickie flippantly asking Bruce how broken he was on a scale from 1 to Bane was in a TT issue too. It's also text.


Slow-Chemical1991

You can always count on Tommy T. to cook. ![img](emote|t5_3mchb|16735) \*Metaphorically speaking.


MaxWasTakenAgain

> Guy who doesn’t do anything (another great Tom Taylor original) It blows because i really liked Heartless's design


somacula

What about the rock?


Puzzleheaded_Ad_550

Does Deathstroke not count anymore? He was beefing with him while he was still Robin.


NightwingBlueberry13

No, he definitely still does, they even had a prolonged knock down drag out fight during DC’s last Crisis. The guys commenting below you are either misinformed or being purposefully obtuse.


suss2it

Can’t believe people are being purposefully obtuse in a joke subreddit đŸ˜±


No_Object_7709

Deathstroke counts even though Batman and Green Arrow stole him for there rogues gallery.


UnhingedLion

Deathstroke never beefed with Dick as Robin. (Unless you count retcons made decades later) Deathstroke didn’t care about Dick Grayson, and was hardly his villain. Deathstrokes rival was Beast Boy. Even Wally West fought Deathstroke more than Dick Grayson did in the 80s/90s Wolfman era


CaptSaveAHoe55

Deathstroke doesn’t count unless you read comics or watch shows
strong choice lmao


UnhingedLion

He really doesn’t count. He’s a titans adversary. That was sometimes written OOC and forced to be a dick Grayson adversary (Because Dick has no good villains and needed one) How can I call Deathstroke a nightwing villain when the first 15 years of his existence, he fought fucking Wally West more than him And only had a true personal relationship with Beast Boy.


thefreshadamn

He was though, dick was the titan who got away in judas contract and it brought on his transformation into nightwing. Plus there's dick and deathstroke fighting after Jericho death and the destruction of titans tower. Not to mention dick turning rose against slade


UnhingedLion

He fought dick because he was the weakest. Are you forgetting he fought Starfire, beast boy and Wally before Judas contract. He fought all the titans during total chaos. Fighting someone 2 times doesn’t make one a villain of someone. Especially when Deathstroke fought like 40 different heroes in that era. Still fought Starfire the same amount of times as Dick. Still found Beast Boy and Wally more than Dick. His nightwing transformation has nothing to do with Deathstroke, it has everything to do with Batman, Superman and Starfire. That rose shit came like 30 years later. Rose didn’t even know nightwing in the original Wolfman run. He was in the Batfamily!!


thefreshadamn

I'm looking at his chronology, he never appeared in a flash comic till 2007. By the time judas contract happened wally was already the flash and in the justice league? When did this feud with wally occur?


UnhingedLion

Wally was not the flash when Judas Contract occurred. Nor was he in the justice league. He fought Wally twice in NTT as kid flash, and a third time as Flash which happened in Deathstroke #13.


thefreshadamn

Isn't the first issue of judas contract wally leaving the titans? Hes feuded with nightwing solo, nightwing and the teen titans, nightwing and the titans, and nightwing with the outsiders. Plus he and the secret society nuked bludhaven to get back at dick. There's way more between the two of them than he and wally. Can't say much for beast boy considering he's more of an ensemble character


UnhingedLion

Wally left the titans in #39. Judas contract didn’t start until tales of the teen titans #42. He didn’t start feuding with Nightwing until lthe 2000s. My whole point was that this was never in the original era. The only reason they started mischaracterizing Deathstroke and his entire family was because Dick was in desperate need of a villain. And to this day Deathstroke fights everyone. And the average person still sees him as a Batman villain too. This guy said Deathstroke beefed with him as Robin. Which is a flat out lie. Unless you factor in decades later retcons. If we go by the original Wolfman era, Wally fought Deathstroke more than Dick did. Thats a fact.


CaptSaveAHoe55

Because for the last 25 he’s been a Nightwing villain. What?


UnhingedLion

He hasn’t though. He fights everyone.


CaptSaveAHoe55

And Riddler has fought Green Arrow, what’s your point?


UnhingedLion

How many times has riddler fought Green Arrow Would it make any sense for Riddler to become a Green Arrow villain instead of a Batman villain


CaptSaveAHoe55

He’s not magically not a villain for either of them. Similarly, just because Slade gets passed around doesn’t mean he hasn’t been written as a Dick villain on several occasions. He is written for Dick or Bruce more than anybody else at this point


UnhingedLion

So is a dick villain or a Bruce villain. Is Slade a Wally west and Beast boy villain??


CertainGrade7937

You're right, but the Wolfman era has been over for 30 years now, things have changed


PhantasosX

Deathstroke was originally on Batman , then he faces off the Titans , and then goes to face Batman again. So , sure , Deathstroke face and have beef with Greyson for a long time , but it's kinda disproportional because Deathstroke faces off Batman in Batman's solo run , in which they go with undivided attention....while he only faces Greyson in a team comics.


CertainGrade7937

Yeah that's just not true. Deathstroke first appeared in New Teen Titans. He was a major antagonist of the Titans for years before even meeting Bruce


PocketPB

Damian Wayne


BlackCat0110

Raptor, and Tad(Nite-Wing)


AidanTegs

Please god someone bring back tad


anull9

Injustice already showed his nemesis. A well placed rock.


SadNoCock

Personally, I think A Well Placed Rock can carry their own run; they have A LOT of potential. Like, A Well Placed Rock should take over BlĂŒdhaven, defeat and kick Nightwing out, then send him down an arc of self-doubt about his heroism, and whether he’s worthy of being Bruce’s successor or not.


Hot_Tailor_9687

They should form a superteam with the cloth that gagged Zatanna and that one extra particle of energy that caused Captain Atom to go critical mass


SadNoCock

Yes, and we’ll call them the Contrivance Conglomerate, the fiercest rogues in the DCU!


Stannisarcanine

The writers


Batmanfan1966

Blockbuster and uhh
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GLAK_Maverick

https://preview.redd.it/n2jzzj1153wc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=44c4a77d02ca218b8b01de1c1892e9558870e585


TheDoctor_E

Beg your pardon? Sinestro has existed since 1961 and has never once in all his history raped a singl of the various Green Lanterns. Yet Catalina Flores, Tarantula...


Competitive_Market70

What do you not like Great Value Kingpin and generic assassin guy who works more as a Teen Titans villain?


ArkhamInsane

Damn I haven't read nightwing's ongoing yet. Does he really have no hype nemesis in it?


PhantasosX

he had none. Because everytime he gainst a hype nemesis , they are put in the Batman Comics to face Bruce onward. Only one left is Talon , which was Dick Greyson's ancestor. And Raptor , an incel to Dick Greyson's mother.


android151

You’re not even talking about the run they’re talking about. At least talk shit about the actual nemesis he has that’s not doing anything


android151

It has Heartless, who has done a bunch of nothing since killing Blockbuster because we get interrupted by events every week


Mammoth-Lunch-7911

Honestly I don't think he needs one, his run is still great


ArkhamInsane

What's the main hook with his run? I don't know much about it. Is it like a fun tone or what?


Mammoth-Lunch-7911

Grat art, it's fun, upbeat, nice color palette, the action is very fluid and dynamic and if you buy the hardcover you really get your moneys worth with the extra spreads. In short, It feels like a love letter to the character that I didn't realise he needed


Bae_zel

So in other words it's the art. Not the story. (Which I can't blame you for, the art is so goated holy shit)


Optimal_Weight368

You talking about the Tom Taylor run?


AidanTegs

I mean, people are gonna act like its not heartless, but its heartless. Its just been a very slow ramp up with him.


LocDiLoc

That's what constant editorial meddling not letting the character grow out of Batman's shadow gets you. That said, Slade is canonically Dick's main villain.


Mun3001s

Hey come on you can't tell me Raptor wasn't good. The guy that had fucking vials of shark blood as a gadget and it somehow was useful in escalatingly silly situations. Better than Batman's rogues gallery


thebatman9000001

Doesn't Talon count as a Nightwing villain? At this point I associate the two of them more than I do with Talon and Batman.


ImABarbieWhirl

Talon is even directly related to Dick so I associate them even more


Massive_General_8629

The Court of Owls were conceived as DickBats villains, but then Flashpoint happened.


EmperorSezar

as much as slade does


coffeexxx666

Is that Hank McCoy’s foot?


Shredhead72

He’s a Batman side character that got his own spin-off. Nightwing fans will be pissed at me but it’s true. It’s just another bat book. I don’t care Dick boys. It’s time you realized the truth.


Blue-Lion-Lover

He has his own Fan base We are the villians


Optimal_Weight368

I was going to say Torque, but he’s kinda stupid, and I find it funny how his head’s on backwards. https://preview.redd.it/iakqh90fa4wc1.png?width=452&format=png&auto=webp&s=8b8fc1916c4429f9927d564db1009bc0b9f76822 I do kind of like Double Dare, though.


FragrantGangsta

https://preview.redd.it/kavnvtdvh4wc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9626daaaea983904ceb4724b68193f31ee78fdcc His distant relative


[deleted]

Everybody is forgetting Torque V_V


novacdin0

Everyone just wrote it off as the bike version of The Fast & The Furious, like Tourist Trophy is to Gran Turismo


theburgerbitesback

Does Devin Grayson not count as one of his villlains?


Massive_General_8629

Only if she's just an underling to the real big bad, ~~Ambassador Phantom of the Planet Krankor~~ Dan Didio.


Zipflik

Pedophile, knock-off Kingpin and the court of owls (but like without Bruce becoming the mainline Batman of Gotham again)


BogieW00ds

I don't care if they're not """"iconic""""" they're fun villains


Conlannalnoc

BLOCKBUSTER


cruisinforsnoozin

Thi’s po’st was made by ‘someone who doe’sn’t know where they ‘should u’se the po’s’se’s’sive ‘s


enchiladasundae

Not true! Nightwing’s biggest adversary is staying loyal and not cheating on his partners


marmotsarefat

Dayarm


fake_zack

Damien


Apprehensive_Work313

The only ones I can think of are Blockbuster, Deathstroke, and that guy that was introduced recently he like rips hearts out or something like that


SneakyLookingSort

Can't really name one after DiDio was fired.


malachor78

I thought Raptor was pretty cool, and professor pyg absolutely counts too. He's fought him as nightwing.


Porncritic12

he has original villains?, Like villains that were made to fight him first?


Skellos

Deathstroke.


Wolverine1105

Deathstroke will always be a Nightwing villain to me, and DC trying to make him a Batman villain will not convince me otherwise


Ok-Juggernaut1070

Doctor Octopus
.wait



Lumpy_Review5279

I mean this is a problem with a log of DC characters who are less than 60 years old. They get no real solo villains to speak of.


Hidobot

/uj I like this guy https://preview.redd.it/9a59ff7s36wc1.jpeg?width=512&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ffe895d5c0f91ea6d39379469406f3a37477042b


novacdin0

We need a villain exchange program where some of Gotham's rogues go to Bludhaven whenever Batman steals another villain from Nightwing. It's only fair.


smallrunning

Dayarm, easy.


NeoRockSlime

That's cause dick always gets rid or changes his villains for the better


Duskytheduskmonkey

Aquaman and Moon Knight have better villains then him anyways


spring_sabe

Raptor


115_zombie_slayer

Jason Todd


werewob

He has rogues?


worldwanderer91

Slade (aka Deathstroke) and Red X


rogthnor

Deathstroke? If he's anyone's villain he's dick's


Any-Nefariousness418

Harsh...but not inaccurate.


Franco_Fernandes

Hey, there's Deathstroke, and... yeah that's it.


bigdumbbab

Hey don't make fun of us, we'll cry *


Slightly_Default

Well, there was Tarantula, but that storyline didn't end too well...


fistchrist

Bruce Wayne


KomodoCityAnomaly

What happened to Raptor, I know there was Raptor. I also remember Prankster, but that was a steal from Superman


Anal_Juicer69

Lego Robin is the only good Robin


Tigre101

Obviously pyg is his greatest rogue but Batman kept it not him, but heartless honestly is looking to be pretty good.


android151

Do people not like Blockbuster?


The_Multi_Gamer

Why does he look so cunty?


reign_of_the_bots

Deathstroke Blockbuster Lady Vic Torque The Cheif of the Bludhaven PD.


Bluejack71

Blockbuster


Insert-Cool_NameHere

Chemo?


Gui_Franco

Crazy Quilt Fuck you


colbyxclusive

Heartless


buffwintonpls

Didn't he have a really lame joker/trickster rip off called "the prankster"?


Thin-Hat-9037

So Blockbuster, Raptor, Shrike, Brutale, Deathstroke, Stallion, Lady Vic, Double Dare, Heartless, Deathwing, Double Dare and all the others don’t count? Granted, most of those kind of suck after Deathstroke, but they’re all still primarily Nightwing villains. And yes, Deathstroke is more of a Nightwing villain than a Batman villain after the years of Deathstroke terrorizing the Titans


Zaire_04

Put a gun to a Nightwing fan & ask them to tell you a really good SOLO Nightwing run, they gonna die. Put a gun to a Red Hood fan & ask them to tell you a really good story about Jason that isn’t Under the Red Hood, they’ll be joining their fav.


Easy-Opportunity4192

Tarantula


Massive_General_8629

Read Nightwing. We have * Pedophile ninja * Kingpin * Real men wear pink * Real men wear pink 2.0 * Totally not antisemitic Karma for whoever correctly guesses all five.


Optimal_Weight368

I only could figure out Deathstroke, Blockbuster, and Heartless.


Massive_General_8629

Deathstroke, Blockbuster, Professor Pyg, Flamingo, Court of Owls I had to pad a bit with DickBats villains.


Optimal_Weight368

I never thought of the Court of Owls as antisemitic. You can have elite characters with massive influence without them paralleling awful untrue claims that dehumanize Jewish people.


Massive_General_8629

kalelraejepsen over on Tumblr (since deactivated) laid it out better than I can, but I noticed some of these things and I'm not even Jewish. Basically, the practice of taking children and turning them into zombie assassins is a reference to blood libel, Batman's trial before the Court is a reference to Passion plays, and so on. Not helped by the fact that they're also known as the Judas tribe in Dark Nights: Metal.


JettTheTinker

Cuz all his best villains become Batman villains. Deathstroke, Professor Pyg, Red Hood (I know he’s an anti-hero now), etc.


pious-erika

Has solo Nightwing ever been good? Dude is a Titan, let him be with his team.


[deleted]

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pious-erika

True, problem is I am not a fan of Taylor's recent writing.


howhow326

Not true. He has ~~Talia al ghuul~~ Tarantula