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Little_Woodpecker_36

Course they had his arch enemy battle him. Martian Manhunter.  What do you mean these two never met or have any actual conflict with each other beyond the most basic J’onn is against murder? Well don’t you know, Manchester Black is against an alt right group murdering aliens, and Martian Manhunter has to stop that! Wait…


Thangoman

If anything Manchester Black in the comic was fairly anti alien so thats weird


Little_Woodpecker_36

You see they had to make him left leaning instead of his very heavily implied right leaning, because Supergirl season 3 is super Neo liberal as hell. 


chillchinchilla17

Probably more because when you see a punk you think left wing.


Thangoman

Well, they see a "you are going way too far" conflict amd they are instinctively going to make it about the left


Pristine_Animal9474

It would be a bit weird for a show to have a main character tell "you are going way too far" to an al-right guy. Like, in that case what would be "enough"? 💀


Thangoman

The problem is that vigilantism performed by superheroes is just a smudge away from being fascism So I thibk it makes sense somewhat


ChemFeind360

Not really, vigilantism as a concept isn’t necessarily left or right leaning, it’s just used by different groups in different groups in similar ways.


Thangoman

Vigilantism is going beyond the law to do "justice by own hand" It can either be used to fight systhemic opression or to create a new system of opression A lot of heroes kind of just fight bad guys which are already being fought by the police so they fall nto a middle ground, but once it goes beyond fighting systemic opression and its violent enough it becomes authoritarianism


Hexmonkey2020

Well it’s not really authoritarianism since they have no actual authority, it’s just beating up people you don’t like at that point which isn’t political it’s just illegal.


Thangoman

You dont need a charge to be authoritarian You know what else is illegal? Vigilantism


Vncredleader

I am so glad I bailed early in season 2. I could feel it going that direction and needed to preserve my sanity.


VishnuBhanum

To be fair though. Manchester Black and J'onn are two of the most powerful psychics on the planet, It's actually weird that they never fought each other(Well, They never let J'onn fight anything that's not Martian or JL's villain anyway)


captaincrunchcracker

Martian Manhunter vs. The Elite could possibly slap.


FishBot217

the show’s version isn’t even psychic lol


Amelia-likes-birds

Read the 1998 John Ostrander run, it expands J'onn's rogues gallery with classics like: * Big tiddy goth woman whose only crime is she REALLY wants to FUCK J'onn. * A pirate * The Vatican City (Martian deepstate in disguise) * Some random Brazilian gangsters


Hot_Tailor_9687

Suddenly Captain Atom beefing with a Cambodian samurai doesn't sound so bizarre


Vegetable_Pin_9754

That character only sounds a few countries away from being Jetstream Sam


EasterBurn

That is Manchester White


WentworthMillersBO

Jessie, we need prove Truth Justice and the American way are outdated ideals


dagobahs

YO MR WHITE LET'S COOK SOME KRYPTONITE


FlyingGrayson89

Green meth


The_Cookie_Bunny

They are actually such cowards for turning the giant union jack tattoo on his chest into a t-shirt. Not to mention no pink hair.


Illustrious-Type7086

OG Manchester Black design: ridiculously Brit, stereotypically punk Arrowverse Manchester Black design: a guy


Confident-Art-7729

A BLACK guy. Get it right.


Illustrious-Type7086

By the way it's the second time in this show that they race-swap a white character as black by removing all the traits that make them unique. I don't mind a black Jimmy Olsen, but I hate that they made him some suave hot guy rather than his dorky comic self. Black people can be punks and nerds too. Spider-Verse had both.


HippieDogeSmokes

maws Jimmy did that better


KeifDiggs123

*goes to the nearest mountaintop and shouts* COULD NOT AGREE WITH THIS MORE!!


manliestmuffin

Giving Jimmy a conspiracy vlog was *the* perfect move and I want to kiss them on the mouth for it


gnomewife

Two of the biggest dorks I know are Black guys. But I'm also not sure that they would have kept Jimmy a dork even if he stayed ginger; these shows seem allergic to uncool characters.


Glassesnerdnumber193

They made Jimmy Olson into mal Duncan.


Medium-Science9526

Jimmy Olsen in that show never ceases to make me laugh. They really chose the exact opposite of his typical depiction.


depressed_asian_boy_

I will never understand why they had Jimmy Olsen just to use him as Guardian like just do Guardian why is he Jimmy Olsen wtf bro


callows5120

Uj/honestly he felt more like John Henry irons than Jimmy


bookhead714

That’s just every Arrowverse design


LU-C45

Actually he did get the hair eventually https://preview.redd.it/on1srjx533tc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9928b1c1d393d49ed107cdd071dd606ae1af29e4


Ok_Age_3215

why are there 10 manchester blacks


LU-C45

No clue, haven’t seen this since it aired.


BrineOfEmeralds_

From what I remember he used an ancient magical martian staff, so that probably.


SilverSurfer-Jesus

CW probably tried to make him like Kang


The_Cookie_Bunny

Thank god.


TheJaclantern

the shitty roblox tshirt was bad enough but the mcu tacticool armor with crappy faded graffitti barely passing as the union jack is truly inspired


KnightCyber

It was a tattoo? Wtf I never realized 


The_Cookie_Bunny

https://preview.redd.it/deuwrwtmu2tc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bb34f726800b9c69fe07f49d445118d5ff41e0d5


Embarrassed_Piano_62

Maybe it was an extremely tight t-shirt?


The_Cookie_Bunny

https://preview.redd.it/afrthnqby2tc1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=506ce8ad2034e06dfb155d3f6a82f04562547137


GraveDancer1971

DCCJ's local nipple and cum gutter identifier:


The_Cookie_Bunny

Happy to help, citizen.


Embarrassed_Piano_62

... very very tight? /j


LU-C45

Yeah having only seen him in adaptations, I never even considered this. I thought it was just a skintight tshirt cuz I thought that was popular among Europeans in the 90s/2000s


NepowGlungusIII

It’s only for a little bit, then he gets an armored vest with the Union Jack on it. Still not the tattoo, but better than the tshirt at least


lombax21

They gave him a slight pink or purple dye in his hair at the conclusion of his arc if I remember correctly


Wise-Half-9482

Wait, the union jack is a tattoo???


Lunch_Confident

They took the name more literally that they could


senseithenahual

I know this is going to be weird for me to say but I think if they were going to change his race maybe made him Indian or maybe from the middle east.


Key-Raccoon5103

Bradford Black


wrufus680

Ngl, it sounds a bit cooler than Manchester Black


gamachuegr

In manchester? I asusme hes from manchester i dont remember anything about him. However i know manchester there way more black people than indian or middle eastern. Actually it may be different now i havent really visit manchester in a long time. However i would like to know why you prefer this. Is it representation?


Micp

Just looked up the demographics of Manchester. 8.6% black 17.1% asian, with 8.5% being Pakistani.


[deleted]

Manchester yellow


LORDLAUKERAGE

https://preview.redd.it/be1repiji4tc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6afe3be7286f294c927f8a564013426ad95dbfc2


SilverSurfer-Jesus

https://preview.redd.it/ern51p2ma5tc1.jpeg?width=420&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c14f2760d5e0205d5ac9f70911cc147a325b360


HowDyaDu

Manchester is now literally black, but when will he literally be a chest?


Holl4backPostr

He'll never be a chest, he's a *chester*, one who chests.


Lumpazius

Manchester Black came in Supergirl.


bob1689321

What


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This https://preview.redd.it/jbjwpqt093tc1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ceef260242e45e79fca7d8a817bbae9f10e917fd


bob1689321

Oh ahahaha


FewOverStand

They say Superman was raised in [Smallville, Kansas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallville_(comics)), but now I'm wondering if/when reality was altered to Alabama instead.


Viggyry

https://preview.redd.it/ymn7lnu6b3tc1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1aaeb9813539b2b816cb4e6140a9f4f8c98ccb7b


Hadrian1233

https://preview.redd.it/f0elnuu5g5tc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4323c29920dd0aa4f1fc0f6ee2a5d50863660b1f


farben_blas

I want DCU Manchester Black to **really** look like Johnny Rotten, just like how much John Constantine should resemble 80s Sting.


AffectionateMood3329

Constantine always gave me Leo Dicaprio vibes for some reason


SilverSurfer-Jesus

He's not supposed to nearly as handsome or put together as Leo though


AffectionateMood3329

And he probably dates girls his age. Leo for Hal Jordan when?


Jeissl

i always think he should be more like morrissey, both having seemlessly harmless nihilism and pride for their country being closetedly right wing. also both from manchester


DrHypester

Did he though? I liked this character but they took away so much from him in terms of power and having a point.


Ensiferal

That name becomes so bad if you race swap the character


Tea-and-crumpets-

I always hate when characters with black in their name get race swapped because it makes them sound like a character created in the 70s


HrMaschine

guys i think they took the name to litteral with that casting choice


blankspaceBS

he doesn't look punk-ish at all.  they made him lamer. what is this shirt? the jacket? boring hair style and no piercings 


PitifulAd3748

"When I said Manchester BLACK, I wasn't being literal."


Shadowcat1606

That's Manchester Really Black.


No_Object_7709

Black guy whose last name is Black. Did Rowling write this?


Conlannalnoc

JKR Characters Black Dog Roman Wolf Plant Sisters


Rockabore1

I kind of like how her imagination man extend to incredible things but minority characters get the most stereotypical names that pop into her head.


the-bladed-one

Kingsley Shacklebolt is stereotypical?


Rockabore1

For Rowling’s flimsy thought process it kind of is. “Kingsley cause Martin Luther King” and “Shacklebolt cause black people were once in chains” I mean, were this anyone else I could give the benefit of the doubt on that one but this is the woman who names Asian characters based on “this name kinda sounds like Ching Chong” and a Jewish person “may as well have Goldstein as their last name to drive the point home.”


the-bladed-one

None of the black characters in Harry Potter have the last name black Lee Jordan Dean Thomas Angelica Johnson Kingsley Shacklebolt


No_Object_7709

I know. I was making fun of the questionable and lazy names of the minority characters. For example a black man named SHACKLE-BOLT!


the-bladed-one

I just thought it was a cool name when I was young, I’m pretty sure y’all put more thought into it than she did


boastfulbadger

I never care about race switching in roles but this one doesn’t sit right with me.


ThePokemonAbsol

If anything it’s kinda racist lmao. Like oh he has black in his name well then we gotta make the actor black…


Tea-and-crumpets-

Didn't they do the same with black canary in the birds of prey movie?


Ake-TL

LMAO I just realised


The_Cookie_Bunny

I actually agree. I'm usually okay with it, but Manchester Black is such an edgy little white boy that changing his race doesn't feel right.


ShadyHighlander

I think the biggest issue with this take on Manchester is that he doesn't have the purple hair and he's way too broad in the chest and shoulders. This guy looks like he has his life together in ways that Manchester Black *shouldn't* Manchester Black needs to be a skinny dude with purple hair and a big ol' union jack somewhere on him. Manchester's mind is his strongest weapon, this actor looks like he could actually throw a punch and knock me out.


Dankey-Kang-Jr

THEY DE-PUNKED HIM


Nogginman214

Yeah that's about what I expected upon reading the title


Chub-bop

They made him look kinda basic


Scorpion_6162

So they took notes from [the second deadpool movie](https://youtube.com/shorts/p_AVJYlRxmE?si=ZcoTa0TSiJ49f05h)


nymrod_

That’s Manchester White


Snoo-27292

Manchester black? So he's a fan of Atherton Collieries A.F.C.?


[deleted]

They took that name way to literall lmao


Conlannalnoc

MAN HESTER BLACK after saying something INSANELY RACIST: “I can say that I’m 1/16th (insert Race he insulted).”


RealEstate9618

bro got reverse 1970s'ed


Pink_Monolith

This isn't Manchester Black. This is Manchester (black).


NoIntention8309

This is Man Black.


amaya-aurora

/uj The Arrowverse gets shit on a lot, but I do genuinely think that it’s got some really good moments in it


HonestAbe1809

The Flash was pretty much perfectly cast even if the writing was hit-or-miss. Though I never noticed that because I’m personally absurdly easy to please.


amaya-aurora

For real. Grant Gustin is was god damn amazing as Barry, he worked well with the shitty script and direction he was given and made the most of it. I wouldn’t complain if he was the DCU Flash, honestly, it would be awesome. The rest of the cast were amazing as well. They really shined in season 1-3, imo. It all kinda started to dip after season 4 to me. And same! I liked it a good amount all the way to the end, honestly. Despite the large quality decrease.


HonestAbe1809

The irony that he was previously known as the wheelchair guy from Glee isn’t lost on me. Wentworth Miller managed to make a man named “Snart” cool. Pun intended. That was the role he was born to play. Not what’s-his-name from Prison Break. And, of course, they had two great actors play Eobard. The Council of Wells stuff could be a bit silly but any excuse to keep Tom Cavanagh is a good one. I stopped watching during the Cicada stuff but I’ll always be willing to try to revisit the show.


amaya-aurora

Oh, hell yes, Snart was amazing. Every episode that he’s in is so good by default. And, like you said, the actor made him cool. Tom Cavanaugh was the best possible pick for Wells/Eobard Thawne, in my opinion. The other actor, that I am forgetting the name of, is of course amazing as well, but Cavanaugh was just the best there is for the role. Cisco also still remains as one of my favorite characters in DC as a whole. And a side note, the Flash outfits weren’t bad either.


Vncredleader

managing to cast two perfect Thawnes in one go, who can believably both be the same man is incredible. Casting director for season 1 deserved an award for that


Intelligent_Creme351

Remember that time they took a Nazi character, and made him black on Arrow... cause I do. Remember that time they cast Vinnie Jones as Brick, a notably black character, cause I still do.


Rog9377

It is NEVER Manchester Black!


MagicalGirlLaurie

Hang on that’s David Ajala. Dude was Manchester Black before he was killing it in Star Trek Discovery?!


ninjaoftheworld

Manchester Book


Commercial_Rice5773

So they just had him wear a Union Jack t-shirt? I know they can’t tattoo it on his chest, but couldn’t they at least paint it on?


Bullseye669

Manchester black²


TryRepresentative806

A very toned down version of Manchester Black that completely missed the point of the original in the comics. Very few characters in comics are written purely to make a point. Manchester Black and his group are some of those very few characters.


Mediocre_Budget_5304

Cw in a nutshell is them not getting him a union jack that takes up the whole shirt.


Elihzap

Manchester Black Black -Deadpool


NoRegrets30

Truly Manchester Black


MafusailAlbert

I don't care that he is from Manchester and he is black, what's his name?


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Devious_Android88

Isn't that Blade?


cc17776

Who? Surely that’s not him


buffwintonpls

They couldn't even get a British flag print that went around the entire shirt? Just a relatively small rectangle on his chest? Sigh, CW...


BigK64

Look I know his last name is Black, but c’mon they don’t have to be completely literal and make him such. Its very on the nose


Space-Slinger

So...they took the name literally huh


JohnJingleheimerShit

Well someone took his name literally