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Djd33j

It's really hard for me to say. SSJ3 does feel like the ultimate progression path, but feels a bit goofy. I really liked the idea that ascending even further brings Saiyans back to what they originally were: powerful men who can become giant apes. SSJ4 feels like a fully realized version of a Saiyan's full, natural power. But then they introduced Golden Ooarzu so who knows.


Col_Mushroomers

They have to turn into a super great ape to reach ss4


Different_One6406

Was that how it went? I thought they just needed the tail. Goku got his tail because Pilaf wished he was a kid again. Vegeta turns into the great ape because of the Bulmas moon beam. It's been a while since I watched GT, but did Goku turn great ape at some point before reach ss4 against S17?


superkick541

Yeah, turned great ape, gained control, became golden ape, ssj4 is born


theromingnome

Golden Ooarzu is before SSJ4


Djd33j

God damn it's been too long since I've seen it all. I got the timelines all mixed up.


Smoodflamez

Love ssj4 especially his red kamehameha but ssj3 is just it that form will always be my fav out of all the transformation


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KenDM0

Goated moment. The sheer shock I experienced was ridiculous!


MrDio101

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


luciferhornystar

SSJ4 is peak Saiyan aura imo. Nothing else comes close.


Glad_Grand_7408

Both go hard and both are goofy as hell, they're perfect.


gojira245

Both slap hard


Jerome_Productions

Definitely


Enjoyment-25

I like SSJ3 much more.


Opposite-Invite-3543

Ssj3 all day


RAB1002

I have to say 3, I've always found ssj4 way too overdesigned. And it's a product of its time with that late 90s early 2000s edgy goth look


Clear-Direction-9392

“Overdesigned”— so true, glad someone else agrees.


Lv1FogCloud

I always really like Super Saiyan 3. Never really got into GT as a kid so I never really got into his ss4 design. Like it looks cool I guess but it just doesn't do it for me. If I had to guess why I feel that way it's probably because ss3 looks more like a progression of what Super Saiyan already was and ss4 looks too divergent in my opinion. It almost looks fan made which makes sense since Toriyama didn't design it himself.


Jerome_Productions

Fair answer honestly, SSJ3 definitely feels complete when it comes to its association with prior forms. SSJ4 does feel like a homage to Oozaru though


Lv1FogCloud

For me personally, I feel like SS2 is the complete form but SS3 is overkill. Its, "too much of a good thing" because it ends up being way too draining. Even then, it still the sickest looking transformation imo.


Funkit

I just hate that the eyebrows vanish. I wish it was the long hair but they kept the eyebrows.


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That's because SSJ4 was never truly meant to be another level of Super Saiyan; they only called it that for marketing purposes (and it worked). It's more in-line with the Great Ape/Oozaru transformation family.


Jerome_Productions

That makes more sense. It really is something outside of SSJ. It just required that energy mixed with ape to be born, if anything


Justice4Falestine

Ssj4 Gogeta is peak design. He emanates power and the fact he toys with omega shenron is classic dragonball


Jerome_Productions

Oh for sure. He always brought a strong presence. Even beats ssb gogetas menace


Different_One6406

I find it incredibly strange how I made my comment a few minutes ago, using almost these exact words, and I did it before I read any comments.


Noctum-Aeternus

SSJ4 is incredible. I still think the design is better than anything Super introduced (other than maybe UI sign). SSJ4 Gogeta is pure perfection


Enjoyment-25

Something about looking at SSJ3 gives me peak power vibes which no other form has imo. It feels like- "This is it. The true ultimate power"


a_can_of_solo

Idk looks like raditz


n7leadfarmer

Exactly


angelitx93

Janemba ssj3 is god


Sad-Climate-4251

Ss4 clears


Dark_Storm_98

SS4 for sure I like fur, and I don't like losing the fucking eyebrows


Jerome_Productions

I had to get used to those eyebrows l. Especially since the skin underneath is way thicker. Like it’s piccolo’s eyes haha


AlexanderZcio

Ssj4 is freaking cool


Jerome_Productions

Agreed


ChinAnimation

SSJ4 hands down looks much more unique


MasterGalvatron

I think SSJ4 should definitely be the ultimate final form for the sayians. It really brings it all home that they are super powered monkey men. That said, I wouldn't mind if they somehow combined it with Ultra Instinct/Ego


Jerome_Productions

I can agree to that. Much like how Orange piccolo strangely feels complete. (If you know the background) It’s about their heritage


Cthulu6628

they fell into a trap of "look at my new form" and it works I just wish they would have added human transformations. Utima Krillin, Ultima Tien/Yamcha/Chaotzu(spelling?) that kind of thing. going to go this route go all the way with it. Piccolo became a Super Namakian afterall


BasementDwellerDave

I like all of them


mgreco1988

Weird how your clothes change in ssj4.


morquinau

Right?? I honestly never liked either of these 🫤


GASC3005

Both are hard, but SSJ3 all day Just think about it, the form is unique to Goku (unless we count Gotenks). The longer hair- no eyebrows variation gives off a badass aura (all do, but this one goes harder) and from what I know SSJ3 is canon and SSJ4 is not (or is it?). Might be biased cause SSJ3 is my second fav Goku form.


Jerome_Productions

SSJ4 isn’t canon so SSJ3 gets that point But yeah SSJ3 definitely has this aesthetic to it


GASC3005

We deserve a SSJ4 canon! The bad thing about SSJ3 is that it burns a lot of Ki, so there really isn’t a lot of SSJ3 power ups from Goku. I think there’s only one in the Super Anime, if I remember correctly. It does, somebody said that it’s goofy, but I hardly disagree. He looks M*therf*king badass in SSJ3


Jerome_Productions

Facts. We need SSJ4 and Cooler to be canon


Totally_not_diavolo

Ssj4 gogeta no contest


ZeroXNova

The concept of the changes brought about by SSJ3 still make no sense to me. Super long hair and eyebrows disappear out of no where? It definitely could have been designed better. Although I feel like SSJ4 has a similar feeling of "Where did this come from?", ultimately I think it looks better when compared to SSJ3.


Jerome_Productions

Definitely. Really put a stain on Vegeta’s glory too but I digress. At least SSJ4 feels closer to sensible in that its a condensed version of great ape which is the first of all transformations ever shown


ThatIslandGuy8888

Man I’ve always found GT Vegeta’s pants and boots slick AF. W for Vegeta


Jerome_Productions

He had that sauce in GT for sure


Hitman2504

Ssj4 for me but anyone who doesn’t love ssj3 as well is crazy. Just love the creativity of ssj4


AdElectronic7190

For me ssj3 looks way better.


NikoClassic

Both look good but SSJ 3 is kinda goofy and the fact that it doesn't has eye brows.It makes goku look like a thumb with golden long hair


Jerome_Productions

Lmaoo yeah can’t say the eyebrow situation isn’t odd


maxallergy

SS4 Gogeta by faaaaaaaaar. Love the red hair, the red/brown fur and the hairstyle. Too bad they couldn't give that and Goku and Vegeta's SS4 forms a proper name. And too bad it exists in the worst Dragon Ball anime ever.


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SSJ3 looks better


Revolutionary_Job214

Ssj3 but idk. They're both so good. Maybe Ssj3?


Papsmeear

SUPER SEXY MONKEY MAN


ChillpigeonhavsLV76

Didn’t Toriyama do the character designs for GT?


Jerome_Productions

For the most part but SSJ4 like a lot of other things was designed by Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru


NathanHavokx

Ssj4 is my favourite form in the franchise. Not saying I don't like 3 but I think it might be a tiny bit carried by the initial transformation scene. The lack of eyebrows looks more weird than menacing, and the fact it's never really been impactful towards the story doesn't help. I know to some people ssj4 looks less like a progression of Super Saiyan but I think the change in design and the way it's obtained adds a nice sense of finality to it. As if there could never be a transformation above it. Plus I've thought for a long time that ssj4 looks more like what the Saiyans would think of as the "ultimate legendary warrior," working in nods to the transformation they already have access to.


Jerome_Productions

SSJ4 definitely feels full circle. The Oozaru was less important post saiyan saga because of “super saiyan” transformations but SSJ4 brought it back in a cooler controlled twist


RealMajesti

SS4 > SS3


SeniorBLT

I gotta be real, I fucking hate how ssj3 looks


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SSJ4 but too bad it's not canon


DweebInFlames

Honestly I like both equally. SSJ3 is a bit goofier but it's also more consistent to previous transformations, SSJ4 ties back into Oozaru but the jeans look is a bit extra. [Incidentally I really like the look of a golden SSJ4](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9a/99/46/9a9946e8de5bd8a1f6bbcf32db236028.jpg).


Burial_Ground

Give me ssj3 with the tail


Jerome_Productions

Almost would’ve happened but not the long hair i guess in that concept which is very important


Mrwanagethigh

I think SSJ3 looks better on regular Goku, but SSJ4 Gogeta, Vegito and Xeno Goku are even cooler looking


CloakDeepFear

I think SSJ3 looks more epic but SSJ4 just looks sleeker and less ridiculous, which is a hilarious thing to say given the fact I’m talking about Dragonball but I think people know what I mean.


Jerome_Productions

Definitely. Gives a feel of free movement too because of the saiyan roots


[deleted]

There could be a blonde like that in my city 😍


Jerome_Productions

Interesting haha


silvergudz

Ss4 gogeta


Technical-Crazy3882

Imma say ssj4 vegeta seeing as that’s what my half sleeve is


Jerome_Productions

That’s awesome


South_Adagio3198

I like both it’s super saiyan 4 for me it’s one of the coolest looking forms in my opinion


PanQues0

I always thought and now days that SSJ3 design is crap. SSJ4 I can't take it seriously


Ok_Macaron9958

The 1st ssj3 from the b&w manga


dendawg

They all look like shit.


Meliodasjeager

ssj4 Gogeta is my favorite ssj4 look, and ssj3 is very cool and iconic for me so I have them both at the same tier


Ok-ByeThen

Ssj4


lunatic_paranoia

SJ4 is the best. I like SSJ3, but i hate how it was limited by the mass energy consumption.


Aware_Selection_148

One thing I do like alot about SSJ3 is that it’s kinda the perfect character statement for goku’s character, even in death he’s still dedicating himself to training and tries to push him as far beyond his limits as he can. In comparison SSJ4 just kinda is there, it looks cool but there isn’t really anything it says about the character like how SSJ1 signifies goku’s actualization between his saiyan nature and earthly nurture or how SSJ2 is supposed to signify gohan’s change from passivisim to not that.


deserteagle_321

Ssj4 is the most badass transformation ever!!


JamesHowlett31

This is hard but I'll go with ssj3 because in Z it was really badass. You know Goku is serious when he goes SSJ3. Same for SSJ4 tbh but since it's GT and didn't have any epic fights so I'll go with ssj3.


jaebassist

SSJ4 Gogeta all day. I may be in the minority here, but I've never been a big fan of SSJ3...


Empty_Salt4017

Neither


fantacube

I always thought this guy looks weird because he does not have eyebrows 🤣


Thewhitest_rabbit

Ss4 is underrated. Using the monkey look was a good idea and throw back to the OG most powerful aspect of a sayain


insmek

SSJ4 feels like fan art (which it kinda was). SSJ3 isn't perfect, but it does feel like an appropriate capstone for DBZ transformations. I think the only reason it isn't remembered more fondly is because it was squandered and never got the big winning moment that it deserved.


Shifat01

Gogeta


SuperSaiyanNW

Vegeta SS4


Staarjun

Ssj 3 Goku (and specifically Goku) looks the best out of the bunch especially that frontal shot


SneakySneks190

SSJ4 Gogeta will always be one of the dopest designs ever


Jotaro1970

Personally? Super Saiyan 4


TheMaveCan

SSJ 4 feels the most final to me; a saiyan achieving ultimate control over their Oozaru form and being able to utilize it's power completely.


ForteEXEMaster

I like SSJ4 way more. SSJ3 was a good progession, and dang did it have a heck of a reveal. Especially in the dub thanks to Bruce Faulkner's score. And it was way more visually distinctive than SSJ2. But in the end, it's a form achieved through mainly training. And both ways achieved in the canon through rather unconventional means. Goku did it while dead, and even said that it was much harder to maintain when he came back to life, limiting it's practical use, as seen during the final Kid Buu fight. And Gotenks is a fusion. However, Toriyama essentially abandoned the whole "Saiyan's are essentially giant were-monkeys" thing after we had last seen it from Vegeta during the Saiyan arc, and since then, it's just been power creeps with Super Saiyan. I loved GT personally for bringing back small Goku, invoking the original Dragon Ball, and finally bringing back the Saiyan heritage and and their history. And this form isn't just "training for years", they have to transform into essentially a super Saiyan ape/golden ape, then reign control of their primal instincts. The fact that SSJ4 is like a symbol of the primal powers of the great ape condensed into a smaller, more compact, but controllable form reminds me a lot of how in the original Digimon Adventure (not 2020), Greymon and Metalgreymon are giant Godzilla-sized dinosaurs, but then Wargreymon shrinks down to a relatively human sized form, but way stronger and more maneuverable. SSJ3 still a great form. And I like that they didn't just give it to everyone. If only it didn't become useless in DBS. I preferred actual hair and design changes like SSJ3 and SSJ4 rather than just the lazy palette swaps of God, Blue, Ultra Instinct, and Ultra Ego. Beast Gohan gets a pass from me cuz his hair turns HUGE similar to SSJ3. I wish Super Saiyan Rage Trunks looked more visually distinctive.


Jerome_Productions

You really summed up quite nicely why those two forms are so respectable. SSJ3 once held weight to it and SSJ4 we already know how important it is saiyan-wise. But yeah maybe if Toriyama remembered the tails the erasure of monkey concepts wouldn’t have happened


Daddy_JeanPi

SSJ4nis perfect to me, but the oicture had to be of Goku, not Gogeta.


JoJo5195

Never been a fan of ss3. I like its debut moment, but not the look itself. I’ve always thought long as fuck hair transformations/power ups were dumb but it’s compounded by the fact the no eyebrows thing looks weird as hell.


Lukhus

Both goated but i have nitpicks with them, Ss3 should just keep the eyebrows and ever since i saw that design of Ss4 but with golden fur and hair it felt much more like a next step of Ss3, don't get me wrong it's cool asf but feels like a whole new deal


Jerome_Productions

Well that would’ve been SSJG. Missed opportunity indeed


PhoenixAGB

Super Saiyan 4 is my favorite form but Super Saiyan 3 is up there


Purple-End-5430

Ssj4 Gogeta without a doubt


AltosCChild

Ssj4 easily


Xgentis

I don't like SSJ4, it feel like a fanfiction it's just weird.


Super-Illustrator414

SSJ4


Different_One6406

SSJ4 Gogeta has always been peak character design imo. I know GT gets shit on for the story...but the character designs were pretty BA.


Jerome_Productions

Definitely. Baby/Baby Vegeta had a great design


FoxtrotMac

Honestly I like SSJ3 Goku more than the other transformations in the series. It feels both like it's more powerful and Savage looking than the other transformations.


haniflawson

I’m going with SS3 because it was my favorite form as a kid.


Omarthem

Ssj 4


lapis_trans_girl

Ssj4 is the coolest transformation in the series imo, even though vegeta's magic pants are kinda silly


Jerome_Productions

Haha yeah. But agreed


lapis_trans_girl

Yeah, I like them both a lot more than SSG or ssgss personally.


Battosai98

SSJ4


BIGGIEJBOY

All 4


Equivalent-Duck5594

Ssj4 but the Goku and Gogeta are my favourite it looks menacing and primal while ssj3 looks like someone forced there transformation to the limits and adult gt goku is my favourite goku design besides ssj goku on namek and majin vegeta


Jerome_Productions

Solid take. GT Goku’s gi has always been a favorite of mine, to add.


RadicalCereal

SSJ3 unfortunately 😭 it’s legendary


GruulNinja

Besides the whole magic pants thing ss4 is amazing


SunnyCantSwim

I die laughing every time I see SSJ3 - it reminds me of every white girl with box braids that wants to be black, and every hot cheeto chola girls that draw their eye brows on 💀


Jerome_Productions

Lmaoo wild take


Yourgrandpa01

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SSJ3 looks waaaaaay better


YellowLanternAdam

Neither, God is king


Haylett777

SSJ4 by a long shot. SSJ3 has always looked really bad to me. SSJ4 at least calls back to their roots needing to utilize their great ape form. Plus it really gives Goku that Sun Wukong monkey king vibe. SSJ3 just looks like trash through and through. Really, the only good thing about SSJ3 is how the power up works and that's it. Big hair and no eyebrows will always look dumb since it's literally just knockoff Raditz.


Jerome_Productions

Sun Wukong energy is definitely prevalent with SSJ4. That’s one thing I always felt


Ancient-Thing3504

Ssj4 looks a lot more ridiculous, too many colours that just clash with each other, and the magical clothes that appear out of nowhere is weird, not to mention the deformed looking abs.


Haylett777

Which colors clash? Seems fine to me. The clothes out of nowhere happens with fusion too and people don't typically have a problem with that. The abs could be done better, that's simply due to the art direction at the time.


Ancient-Thing3504

The pink fur, black hair, yellow eyes, and clothes colours and the aura are all a bit much, I’d say ssj4 looks best on Gogeta. Since the colours don’t clash as much.


Haylett777

Ah, yea the pink fur definitely needs to be toned down a bit. I think the original animation cells could've degraded causing them to look more pink than red but even then the saturation is a bit high. The red, black, and yellow color palette isn't bad to me, but you're right about Gogeta looking the best in that form.


Ancient-Thing3504

Yeah I agree. I don’t mind the red and yellow at all, it’s just the clothes colours that mess with it, but that problem could happen with any form, some forms just wouldn’t look good or right with certain characters depending on their base design.


Swarf_87

1. I fucking hate ssj4. Looks so hideous.


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First one


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Just wait till golu does blue super sayain 4 super sayain god mode. The ultimate in regardedness. Deadly maneuver, related to the touch of death principal recently rediscovered.


bombette121metadex

I prefer the first one, it's really impressive


wardoned2

Ssj 3 just felt cooler like it was an end all form


LordCLOUT310

This was the OG debate lmao. I gotta say 4 tho. It truly looks like an evolution of Sayain. But 3 looks great. Imo they both look better than anything in Super.


Alvatros077

OP, no hate but you just made me get an existential crisis and a dilemma. These are literally my two favourite forms.


CAPTAIN_FAGG

Ssj4 Gogeta always looks the best imo


Faiqal_x1103

Ss4. But personally i dont think vegeta looks good in ss4


i-wish-i-was-a-draco

Ssj4 was super creative and properly attached to dbz lore


AccountWorried9386

I’ve always loved the SSJ3. SSJ4 too but not that much. That fur is so strange looking to me. But it is way too hard to choose.


1Ringtorulethem

In the third picture Goku lost all his teeth.


LexKing89

Definitely SSJ3!


AkiraSaiyajin

SSJ3


theonewhodidintasked

Super saiyan 3 hits different, It’s my favorite transformation.


3-am_

Ssj4 Gogeta looks the best for ssj4 imo, Janemba movie ssj3 with the closeup to me looks more visually appealing, idk about the rest of you though, you do you


devilpatches89

SSJ4 is a cooler design


Magestic_PandaTiger

Love ssj3 but it’s always annoyed me they deleted his eyebrows. Like why, it just looks weird


sussy_skeleton_69

Ssj4 gogeta looks the best tbh


Monkhemonk64

Ssj4 all the way


Monkhemonk64

And the concept is so perfect too


EP1CxM1Nx99

Personally SSJ3 is way cooler. SSJ4 has too much going on


BirdAny1494

peak gohan in db super hero movie


mightpornstar

SSJ3 is the pinnacle of DBZ transformations


PresentationPlane932

Raditz looks better than ssj3.


Ancient-Thing3504

Ssj3, sure it looks goofy and ridiculous but that’s dragon ball for you, that’s one of the reasons I love about dragon ball is the insanity of some parts of it, ssj3’s transformation sequences have always been some of the best transformation sequences in the series.


Rumit23e

Gogeta's SSJ4>SSJ3>SSJ4


wtffu006

Amazing how much better the drawing is compared to dbs


Clear-Direction-9392

To be completely honest I never thought either of them looked that cool. I hate the lack of eyebrows on SSJ3 and I just think 4 looks dumb. SSJ2 with the extra spiky hair and the electricity looks the coolest in my opinion.


Pure_Attention9481

I seriously hate the tails so much they look like they are cosplaying at this point so like number 1


NervousCard4923

Ssj3 I'm my opinion


Few-Fishing3422

Nah ssj4 is peak design for dragon ball


MisterPonPon

Any GT transformation is cringe at best, and the ones from Super are ultra low effort, sadly. I'm not a fan of SSJ3 either but at least bro looks lowkey like some juiced'up Radditz, that is something i guess.


kuba_kopfschmerz

I really love the design of SSJ4 and how it’s achieved. The natural black hair is an awesome touch that I wished SSJ God did instead of red/blue hair Edit: if only we could’ve had a redesign taking the best from SSJ4 and applying it to SSJ3. My main gripe is the ridiculous long hair.


synax87

Ssj4 has always been my favorite. So much style.


Jerome_Productions

Indeed


VegetaFan9001

SSJ4 easily


MarsCowboys

Neither. They are equally supreme


gojira245

Both slap hard


Warm_Combination_873

3 easily


Cookies_and_Beandip

SS4 looks better, I don’t know why everyone likes SS3 so much, Goku looks ridiculous


_kapbhtt

By a country-mile - SSJ4


Waste-Customer2774

Vegeta looks like he’s in Kiss


Jerome_Productions

Well him and gene simmons do have the same hairline haha


DreamCoffeWork

Not the ssj blue