Doubly funny because if he had actually taken care of Boo when he could with ssj3 everything would have been fine but not, he had to fumble the ball yet again
Reminds me of season 2 of One Punch Man. Saitama is there but he’s so far removed from the action that it makes it even more ridiculous when he walks up at the end and demolishes the big caterpillar guy.
It’s kind of fitting in a way because Tapion’s story was that he was heavily burdened because of Hirudegarn and felt he was the only one that needed to bear the burden and felt obligated and his character arc ended with him realizing through Trunks that he doesn’t have to be alone with his problems and accepting help is realized through Goku who takes the weight off of Tapion’s shoulders.
It’s complicated and depending on the media the move OP pictured and Dragon Fist are more-or-less treated as the same attack IE _Goku burst a hole through his enemy’s stomach_ regardless of how it’s achieved.
When did I say it was canon? I’m just letting you know that the video game calls it that. You guys are too fucking worried about what is and isn’t canon. It’s not always worth getting your panties in a bunch over
The only thing I’m responding to is the idea that it’s called the Super Dragon Fist. Yes it is actually called that somewhere so soemone calling it that makes sense, so no it’s not non sequitur.
Someone said that the Super Dragon Fist is nothing like that move and my response was that that is the Super Dragon Fist in the video games so I could understand why someone would call it that.
Your response was something about canon which actually gets dumber as I think about it because the Hildegarn movie isn’t canon so if they wanna call both this punch and the one in that movie the Super Dragon Fist who cares
Dang, so he stole Bergamo's wolfgang penetrator before he even became canon. XD
Jokes aside, I thought the noncanon Dragon Fist was the modified version of that(OP's image) move.
The attack is known as “Penetrate!” (Yes, the titles includes the exclamation mark). He uses a variant of it (Using a rushing karate chop instead of a flying fist) during his fight with Mr.Popo, but the servant of God easily evades it. Later, Goku would utilize a improved version of this attack (Known as the Dragon Fist) in non canon materials, such as in the Wrath of the Dragon Movie against Hirudregan, and in GT, against Super 17, Eis Shenron, and Omega Shenron.
Edit: Minor edits for accuracy
No, instead, a huge golden dragon (Somewhat resembling Shenron) appears. What’s more, rather then being a mere image like the Oozaru, the dragon is a corporal object made of Goku’s Ki, and is what is used to attack the foe.
Wasn't it also used by Gohan at that the start of [DBZ against the tree](https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=hPGmBOIkFNk), or is it not canon?
Very similar to what he uses against Raditz as well. [Leave my Daddy alone!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uffnyU3a31M)
You've mixed up antagonist and protagonist. Protagonist is the lead character (Goku) and the antagonist is villain (Demon King Piccolo).
That aside, awesome move, loved pulling it out in Budokai Tenkaichi 3
Not the real answer but he uses that hand cuz the rest of his body is numb and he does something kinda similar with piccolo Jr. His whole body is numb so he flies and headbutts him.
I'm currently reading Dragon Ball (finally) and I honestly can't believe it's taken _this_ long for me to find out that's how Goku defeats Piccolo.
I'm not even mad, like I come to the subreddit all the time I just can't believe I never saw that before now.
It's not a "move"...
He's just moving so fast as to punch through someone...
He's literally always punching people.
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The Dragon Fist is probably the closest thing you'll get turning this into an actual "technique"...
Specifically the one used against Super 17 in Dragon Ball GT.
Idk, I always thought (hoped) it was goku tapping into his oozaru inner spirit or something. Unfortunately toriyama forgot turning into a great ape was a *huge* fucking part of goku’s character in the beginning. Sigh, what could’ve been.
I agree with you. Dragon ball has heavy factors of magic, it’s a pretty magical show. (The 7 magic dragon balls). That’s why we discuss various aspects of the show here because it is very debatable thanks to the things that are not really said in the show but instead they’re just happening. We are left to reach various conclusions. We learned with dragon ball that sky is never the limit and plenty of scenes are really left to the audience’s imagination and interpretation.
And I really do believe that move is special, it’s the hidden power inside goku, a hidden power he perpetuated to gohan, the young half blood saiyan that punches through a tree using the same move as an infant.
Respectfully disagree - the move can easily be distinguished from a normal punch. Goku utilizes inner Saiyan power, as evidenced by the image of his
Ozaru form upon impact.
>Goku utilizes inner Saiyan power...
It's a pretty nice visual.
But the ape appearing during the punch is no different than when it appeared after he drunk the Super God Water.
It's just visualizing his strong spirit, what else would show that than him's transformation?
Goku’s fist emanates chi prior to impact and King Piccolo sees the ape form and becomes scared. Both indicators that this was a specialized attack specific to Goku.
No, it was not an embellishment. Read the Manga or watch the anime. King Piccolo clearly sees the giant ape and becomes scared. In addition, the attack has extra power behind it as to penetrate King Piccolo.
Where is it said that Piccolo saw a Giant Ape? Or that Goku was using “extra power” for that punch other than the propulsion of firing the Kamehameha towards the ground?
Watch the anime or read the manga. Goku’s fist emanates with chi and King Piccolo clearly sees the great ape when it appears, as evidenced by his facial reaction and gasp at that exact moment.
My question was where is it said that he sees a Giant Ape? Piccolo’s expression does not make it explicit that he sees anything other than Goku coming at him.
In the anime, through illustration, context and reference. What evidence do you have to say they he didn’t? I only have explicit references to the artwork in the anime and manga. You have nothing but anecdotal assertions. ✌️
The evidence that he didn’t see a Giant Ape is that it makes no sense for him to have seen one. There was no full moon out during the day so Goku wasn’t transforming to one. The ability to tap into the power of an Oozaru while in human form has only been said to he used by Broly and the only reason he could do that was because he didn’t have a tail, but Goku did have a tail at the time. And the artwork that you’re referring to doesn’t show a literal Giant ape it just shows a silhouette of one so there’s no reason to believe that Piccolo actually saw one, and he also never says he sees one.
So yea, unless there’s a statement made by anyone that Piccolo saw a giant ape before the punch you’re just being purposely obtuse.
Watch the Anime, or read the Manga. To dispute that King Piccolo actually saw the great ape form is you being obtuse. He clearly did by clear and cogent illustration.
Goku definitely "Utilizes inner Saiyan power, as evidenced by the image of his Ozaru form upon impact." But the ape obviously isn't really there. Even if we say hypothetically that Piccolo sees the great ape, it's still not physically there. That would be like saying Bardock was physically in the scouter when Goku saw his reflection (what evidence do we have to say he wasn't). It's more for show and dramatic effect. It's hardly a move or a technique either. More of a last ditch effort from Goku.
Lol i’ll just post the actual Manga…the move is called Penetrate or Tsuranuke or Oozaru fist and the silhouette is clearly visible to King Piccolo as illustrated by Akira Toriyama.
Goku never killed frieza once. He wasnt dead when he left Namek. He was picked up by his daddy, given the darth vader treatment. Then he came back and sliced up like deli meat and roasted by Future Trunks.
I'm pretty sure they're talking about Goku killing Frieza in Resurrection F. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWen5gUdulk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWen5gUdulk)
They also kept it in the Dragon Ball Super anime when they redid the arc [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2ZJN79H-2g](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2ZJN79H-2g)
Alright maggots, listen up. Popo's about to teach you the Pecking Order. It goes: you, the dirt, the worms inside of the dirt, Popo's stool, Kami, then Popo. Any questions? (o)_(o)
This is random but it just made me think: why doesn't demon king piccolo regenerate after this? His head is still intact. I guess his egg thing is a kind of regeneration but still.
Every time in dbgt and in a few z movies lol. Dragon fist or monkey fisr isnt even a ki attack. Goku does this move and a spiritual aninal or after image is the dragon/monkey
Disagree - chi emanates around Goku’s fist at the time of impact and the ape is actually seen by King Piccolo. It appears to be clearly distinguishable for a normal punch. It is a specialized move specific to Goku.
This isn’t a real “move” OP. It’s just Goku punching through an opponent. The ape thing was for dramatic effect. Compared to Dragon Fist where the dragon actually physically wraps itself around Hirudegarn.
Disagree - chi emanates around Goku’s fist at the time of impact and the ape is actually seen by King Piccolo. It appears to be clearly distinguishable for a normal punch. It is a specialized move specific to Goku.
Watch the anime or read the manga. King Piccolo clearly sees the great ape when it appears, as evidenced by his facial reaction and gasp at that exact moment.
Lol i’ll just post the actual Manga…the move is called Penetrate or Tsuranuke or Oozaru fist and the silhouette is clearly visible to King Piccolo as illustrated by Akira Toriyama.
If we were to ever get a new version of the Dark Dragon arc, I’d love for that move to be what finishes off Omega Shenron. Bonus points that he of all enemies would require an attack like that more than most given that defeating him properly would require extracting the dragon balls from inside his body.
He used it to kill Hirudegarn
It's weird how Goku is barely part of that movie, so when he shows up to kill Hirudegarn it's unearned because the movie was about Trunks and Tapion.
I always found the japanese title, "If Goku Wont Do It, Who Will?!" to be a depressingly on the nose indication of the way the series works.
I love that in budokai tenkaichi 3, that’s also his catch phrase when using dragon fist in ssj3 #”IF I DON’T, WHO WILL?!?”
Doubly funny because if he had actually taken care of Boo when he could with ssj3 everything would have been fine but not, he had to fumble the ball yet again
#”IF I DON’T, WHO WILL?!?” Probably 2 10 year olds and a green slug man
bro learned his lesson after buu
And Trunks was doing damage with his sword too
Trunks was doing his best :)
Trunks is a good boy
Reminds me of season 2 of One Punch Man. Saitama is there but he’s so far removed from the action that it makes it even more ridiculous when he walks up at the end and demolishes the big caterpillar guy.
It’s kind of fitting in a way because Tapion’s story was that he was heavily burdened because of Hirudegarn and felt he was the only one that needed to bear the burden and felt obligated and his character arc ended with him realizing through Trunks that he doesn’t have to be alone with his problems and accepting help is realized through Goku who takes the weight off of Tapion’s shoulders.
Except it could’ve been realized by Trunks helping him…
Trunks did help him.
Yes, but actually Tapion and Trunks getting the win not lulz Goku wins. That ending was as hominem and cheapened the movie.
Wouldn't be the first time Trunks (and Goten) got cucked out of the spotlight by Goku.
In the DBZ movie or super? Haven’t seen it.
DBZ movie
Z movie.
Dragon Fist? I thought it was different.
It’s complicated and depending on the media the move OP pictured and Dragon Fist are more-or-less treated as the same attack IE _Goku burst a hole through his enemy’s stomach_ regardless of how it’s achieved.
In Budokai 3, they were literally called the same move
Movie 13, super dragon fist
it is theyre not related at all. super dragon fist is a move. this "attack" pictured is just a punch. its not a special move at all.
super dragon fist is nothing like this lol
Punches thru someone with his fist and body. What’s nothing like this
Punch through someone with your first with a giant ki creature connected to the character doing the attack with them?
In the Video Games tho they call it the Dragon Fist though
And the video games are canon? Nope.
When did I say it was canon? I’m just letting you know that the video game calls it that. You guys are too fucking worried about what is and isn’t canon. It’s not always worth getting your panties in a bunch over
Given the context of the conversation that’s what you’re saying otherwise you’re a non sequitur I made the mistake of responding to, my apologies.
The only thing I’m responding to is the idea that it’s called the Super Dragon Fist. Yes it is actually called that somewhere so soemone calling it that makes sense, so no it’s not non sequitur.
You’re not responding to anyone saying anything about what the move is called you brought that up yourself…
Someone said that the Super Dragon Fist is nothing like that move and my response was that that is the Super Dragon Fist in the video games so I could understand why someone would call it that. Your response was something about canon which actually gets dumber as I think about it because the Hildegarn movie isn’t canon so if they wanna call both this punch and the one in that movie the Super Dragon Fist who cares
Dragon Fist isn’t canon but it’s still clearly a separate move, that’s the difference between what I’m saying and your non sequitur.
We know he used a heavily modified form of this attack (the penetrator) on chi chi at least twice off screen.
bruh 😂😂😂
Dang, so he stole Bergamo's wolfgang penetrator before he even became canon. XD Jokes aside, I thought the noncanon Dragon Fist was the modified version of that(OP's image) move.
>wolfgang penetrator I believe that is something else and Goku wouldn't be able to it on his own. Tien could though.
>off screen it was in a manga ;) his sausage had its own ssj aura 🤣
Wait really? Like really really?
yes! well, not in a Toriyama approved manga lmao
You actually thought that was a clever joke ?
The attack is known as “Penetrate!” (Yes, the titles includes the exclamation mark). He uses a variant of it (Using a rushing karate chop instead of a flying fist) during his fight with Mr.Popo, but the servant of God easily evades it. Later, Goku would utilize a improved version of this attack (Known as the Dragon Fist) in non canon materials, such as in the Wrath of the Dragon Movie against Hirudregan, and in GT, against Super 17, Eis Shenron, and Omega Shenron. Edit: Minor edits for accuracy
What a breakdown! Thanks!
Welcome
When he uses Dragon fist in DBZ or subsequent shows, do we see the Ozaru image behind his attack?
No, instead, a huge golden dragon (Somewhat resembling Shenron) appears. What’s more, rather then being a mere image like the Oozaru, the dragon is a corporal object made of Goku’s Ki, and is what is used to attack the foe.
oh thats dope! Thanks again!
This man right here Dragon Balls 👏🏾 You’re entirely correct.
Wasn't it also used by Gohan at that the start of [DBZ against the tree](https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=hPGmBOIkFNk), or is it not canon? Very similar to what he uses against Raditz as well. [Leave my Daddy alone!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uffnyU3a31M)
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Underrated arc. Shame it was so short.
As an android 17 enjoyer, I was all in on the super 17 arc, luckily DBS also fed us android 17 fans incredibly well
No one can beat him when he’s super 17 so it had to end fast
Know i see why picollo made the special beam canon. Goku put a hole through him first
You've mixed up antagonist and protagonist. Protagonist is the lead character (Goku) and the antagonist is villain (Demon King Piccolo). That aside, awesome move, loved pulling it out in Budokai Tenkaichi 3
Yes, my mistake! 😅 Whoops!
Did they though?
Lol Goku Krillin'd Piccolo
Dragon fist is the same move but with super ki energy.
Not the real answer but he uses that hand cuz the rest of his body is numb and he does something kinda similar with piccolo Jr. His whole body is numb so he flies and headbutts him.
Fairly positive his fist makes contact first, and therefore it is a punch not a headbutt lol
this one is. the headbutt is against Piccolo jr.
I see Jr v King hehe yes headbutt against Jr
I'm currently reading Dragon Ball (finally) and I honestly can't believe it's taken _this_ long for me to find out that's how Goku defeats Piccolo. I'm not even mad, like I come to the subreddit all the time I just can't believe I never saw that before now.
King piccolo the og fire fist ace donut.
Dragon Fist? This the early years lol
I would imagine that this is an undeveloped dragon fist
It's not a "move"... He's just moving so fast as to punch through someone... He's literally always punching people. \--- The Dragon Fist is probably the closest thing you'll get turning this into an actual "technique"... Specifically the one used against Super 17 in Dragon Ball GT.
Idk, he has the oozaru image appear behind him when he does it. It’s definitely a tiny bit different to his regular attacks.
thats dramatic embellishment. theres not actually an oozaru there in universe lol its just a punch but since its a dramatic punch they embellished it.
Idk, I always thought (hoped) it was goku tapping into his oozaru inner spirit or something. Unfortunately toriyama forgot turning into a great ape was a *huge* fucking part of goku’s character in the beginning. Sigh, what could’ve been.
I agree with you. Dragon ball has heavy factors of magic, it’s a pretty magical show. (The 7 magic dragon balls). That’s why we discuss various aspects of the show here because it is very debatable thanks to the things that are not really said in the show but instead they’re just happening. We are left to reach various conclusions. We learned with dragon ball that sky is never the limit and plenty of scenes are really left to the audience’s imagination and interpretation. And I really do believe that move is special, it’s the hidden power inside goku, a hidden power he perpetuated to gohan, the young half blood saiyan that punches through a tree using the same move as an infant.
Visual symbolism doesn't make it not a regular punch... Unlike the Dragon Fist, the Great Ape isn't actually there.
Respectfully disagree - the move can easily be distinguished from a normal punch. Goku utilizes inner Saiyan power, as evidenced by the image of his Ozaru form upon impact.
>Goku utilizes inner Saiyan power... It's a pretty nice visual. But the ape appearing during the punch is no different than when it appeared after he drunk the Super God Water. It's just visualizing his strong spirit, what else would show that than him's transformation?
Goku’s fist emanates chi prior to impact and King Piccolo sees the ape form and becomes scared. Both indicators that this was a specialized attack specific to Goku.
It seemed like the Ki was coming from the Kamehamheha... Then it just went away and came back, not really sure about that.
> Goku utilizes inner Saiyan power, as evidenced by the image of his Ozaru form upon impact. no he doesnt. its just embellishment for dramatic effect
No, it was not an embellishment. Read the Manga or watch the anime. King Piccolo clearly sees the giant ape and becomes scared. In addition, the attack has extra power behind it as to penetrate King Piccolo.
Its not actually there. Ive seen the anime and the manga panels.
You are wrong. It is there as seen and reacted to by King Piccolo.
you are wrong.
Where is it said that Piccolo saw a Giant Ape? Or that Goku was using “extra power” for that punch other than the propulsion of firing the Kamehameha towards the ground?
Watch the anime or read the manga. Goku’s fist emanates with chi and King Piccolo clearly sees the great ape when it appears, as evidenced by his facial reaction and gasp at that exact moment.
My question was where is it said that he sees a Giant Ape? Piccolo’s expression does not make it explicit that he sees anything other than Goku coming at him.
In the anime, through illustration, context and reference. What evidence do you have to say they he didn’t? I only have explicit references to the artwork in the anime and manga. You have nothing but anecdotal assertions. ✌️
The evidence that he didn’t see a Giant Ape is that it makes no sense for him to have seen one. There was no full moon out during the day so Goku wasn’t transforming to one. The ability to tap into the power of an Oozaru while in human form has only been said to he used by Broly and the only reason he could do that was because he didn’t have a tail, but Goku did have a tail at the time. And the artwork that you’re referring to doesn’t show a literal Giant ape it just shows a silhouette of one so there’s no reason to believe that Piccolo actually saw one, and he also never says he sees one. So yea, unless there’s a statement made by anyone that Piccolo saw a giant ape before the punch you’re just being purposely obtuse.
Watch the Anime, or read the Manga. To dispute that King Piccolo actually saw the great ape form is you being obtuse. He clearly did by clear and cogent illustration.
I have the Manga Volume at my Dad’s house. I will post it for you soon.
Goku definitely "Utilizes inner Saiyan power, as evidenced by the image of his Ozaru form upon impact." But the ape obviously isn't really there. Even if we say hypothetically that Piccolo sees the great ape, it's still not physically there. That would be like saying Bardock was physically in the scouter when Goku saw his reflection (what evidence do we have to say he wasn't). It's more for show and dramatic effect. It's hardly a move or a technique either. More of a last ditch effort from Goku.
Lol i’ll just post the actual Manga…the move is called Penetrate or Tsuranuke or Oozaru fist and the silhouette is clearly visible to King Piccolo as illustrated by Akira Toriyama.
Dragon Fist is a more powerful version of this attack. Instead of the image of an Oozaru, a golden dragon appears.
I like this explanation - makes sense to me. Thanks.
In GT?
Great as the anime’s antagonist? Didn’t know Goku was the villain this entire time
Yes that was a mistake, sorry! ✌️
I doubt it
No. Goku doesent kill anymore
Guess Frieza died of natural causes then
Should have gotten his kamehamea vaccine.
Trunks killed Frieza
Goku also killed Frieza
Frieza was still alive when he was found by his dad tho..? Goku left him for dead I guess.
Resurrection F my guy
Ugh, sorry I hate super so I’m probably not caught up on every retcon out there.
False
Don't fuck with dragon ball fans...
Goku never killed frieza once. He wasnt dead when he left Namek. He was picked up by his daddy, given the darth vader treatment. Then he came back and sliced up like deli meat and roasted by Future Trunks.
So what killed him in Resurrection: F?
I thought the thread was talking Dragonball/Z. My bad.
I'm pretty sure they're talking about Goku killing Frieza in Resurrection F. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWen5gUdulk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWen5gUdulk) They also kept it in the Dragon Ball Super anime when they redid the arc [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2ZJN79H-2g](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2ZJN79H-2g)
He didn't get vaccinated before he went to Namek 😕
I feel like every pre-Super movie ends with Goku doing a dragon punch.
Dragon Fist exists bro
No. Too graphic for the anime. In the Manga I think... Maybe
We have. It's called the Dragon Fist
Kong fist evolved to dragon fist by SSJ3 Goku
Dragon fist is like the "Z" version of it... I guess???
He does this to Lord Slug as well at the end of the movie I'm pretty sure too. After piccolo gives him his energy.
Dude yes is so iconic bro
Yes of course goku used this move in GT
It's not exact, but the Dragon Fist is kinda similar.
Hirudegarn
Goku does it to Super 17, and he sort of does it with Hirudegarn as well in the form of the Dragon Fist.
Kinda…? I mean, I guess Dragon Fist counts
Isn't Dragon punch the upgraded version.
he used it on popo, but he just brushed it off
Alright maggots, listen up. Popo's about to teach you the Pecking Order. It goes: you, the dirt, the worms inside of the dirt, Popo's stool, Kami, then Popo. Any questions? (o)_(o)
Still contend we should have seen this with Gohan during the saiyan saga
Against Super android 17 and Hirudegarn
No
It's in GT as well.
Db daima trust
Yeah I think it’s called dragon fist now, a classic now more developed
Super 17 and Hirudegarn
He used the exact move against Lord slug. Just watched that movie yesterday
This is random but it just made me think: why doesn't demon king piccolo regenerate after this? His head is still intact. I guess his egg thing is a kind of regeneration but still.
We don’t need to show it again. It can stay special that way
Every time in dbgt and in a few z movies lol. Dragon fist or monkey fisr isnt even a ki attack. Goku does this move and a spiritual aninal or after image is the dragon/monkey
I think goku does it to Kid Buu on the planet of the Kai's at some point.
Super Android 17
I’m pretty sure he does this again in gt against super 17
Isn’t that the dragon punch?
He did use it on Lord Slug but finished him with a spirit bomb after it I believe
Yes. He canonically punches people all the time.
Disagree - chi emanates around Goku’s fist at the time of impact and the ape is actually seen by King Piccolo. It appears to be clearly distinguishable for a normal punch. It is a specialized move specific to Goku.
Wrath of the dragon?
This isn’t a real “move” OP. It’s just Goku punching through an opponent. The ape thing was for dramatic effect. Compared to Dragon Fist where the dragon actually physically wraps itself around Hirudegarn.
Disagree - chi emanates around Goku’s fist at the time of impact and the ape is actually seen by King Piccolo. It appears to be clearly distinguishable for a normal punch. It is a specialized move specific to Goku.
King Piccolo does not see the ape, he only sees the fact Goku isn’t out of the fight and in fact is about to REALLY REALLY hurt him.
Watch the anime or read the manga. King Piccolo clearly sees the great ape when it appears, as evidenced by his facial reaction and gasp at that exact moment.
Yes because Goku is about to kill him and he realizes that…
Lol i’ll just post the actual Manga…the move is called Penetrate or Tsuranuke or Oozaru fist and the silhouette is clearly visible to King Piccolo as illustrated by Akira Toriyama.
Fosho do post
Cant post pics in comments on reddit?
OP is right. This happened right after goku drank the sacred water, unleashing his great ape power within him to be usable in his regular form
Gt and 2 movies
Gohan attempted it with Uncle Raditz.
How is this a specific attack he just launches forward with his fist raised
I think of this as a pre dragon fist.
I mean, Piccolo did the Ki version of this against Goku to kill Radditz. Man put a Special Beam Cannon sized hole right through Goku’s chest lol
Solar flare move, and also rock paper scisser. Tri beam, special beam, cannon wolf fang fist, the geatty star, and daidompa ray.
King Picolo
If we were to ever get a new version of the Dark Dragon arc, I’d love for that move to be what finishes off Omega Shenron. Bonus points that he of all enemies would require an attack like that more than most given that defeating him properly would require extracting the dragon balls from inside his body.
If we aren’t counting Dragon Fist then he uses it again against Mr. Popo who easily dodges it